Re: black hispanic women

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: undoubtedly religion contributes to ..., posted by Houndog on Jul 4, 2001

Mangu,

We can see that you are very smart, and good at providing facts. That's good.

But your use of the term "Booty Shakers" this morning by no means reflected the level of intellect you are demonstrating right now.

Just use a better word choice next time. As I said before in another post, I came off like that originally because I want to try to discourage guys that are looking for sexual escapades. These kind of guys can ruin the images of men who use agencies in the minds of Latinas, and prevent decent women from being members. Then, in the end, guys who are looking to marry a decent Latina wont have anywhere to go because agencies will begin to lose female membership, and ultimately close-up.

So, I hope you're looking for a serious relationship, and not just a thrill.

Take Care,
Aaron

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: sorry you are incorrect on both acco..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

whoa Aaron, hold on just a dern minute there. Where's yer badge? If Mangu wants to go to Colombia to chase "booty shackers" that would be his prerogative now wouldn't it? You just take care of your image and eveyone else will take care of there own with out any help from the "motive police".

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Re: sorry you are incorrect on both ..., posted by Cali vet on Jul 4, 2001

Hey guess what...talking about women in a derogatory manner isn't popular here with quite a few people. Including the ladies that post here ! And it would be nice if they were'nt chased off by demeaning and derogatory posts that borderline on vulgarity. Is that really that hard to understand ?

And mangu sounds like a vet of flame bait threads...yea, I was born at night..but it wasn't last night !

Hope you guys took in some fireworks...my wife was thrilled with a really awesome display dowtown...well she's winking at me again..;-)..gotta go..
HD

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: black hispanic women, posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

It's also interesting to note that most of the Europeans who arrived in North America in the early days were religious refugees and came with wives and families. The Spaniards who showed up on the shores of South America were soldiers and started mixing with the local populations immediately.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: thank you for the well written post, posted by Cali vet on Jul 4, 2001

Cali Vet,

That's not entirely accurate. Florida, which was named by the Conquistadors, means "Land of Flowers." It's documented that the Conquistadors were the first Europeans that touched the shores of Florida with Cabeza de Vaca. You should go back to that history, which shows that Spain occupied just as much land in North America as did England during the colonial periods. However, Spain as well as France lost control of these territories due to war and fianicial burdens. Yes, the Spanish settlers did in fact have sexual relations with the indians, and some Spanish settlers did marry indians, but what initially happened was that most of the indians died when they came into contact with the Europeans because they indians did not have the antibodies in their immune system to fight the common illness the Europeans carried. So at first, many indians died that way. And secondly, the Spanish killed many indians during wars and with gruesome slavery in the quest for gold. Because of this, the most of the Indians in the Americas became exstinct.  

Also, I going to throw another piece of the puzzle into this mix, which I have not seen mentioned on this board, partly because they are some facts that have been uncovered just recently within the last 15 years or so. There is a researcher named Ivan Van Surtama, who claims that small groups of African traders and merchants touched the shores of Latin America, particularly near where Cartagena is, far before European explorers arrived. He claims, and I have not read his book yet, that these small groups of Africans relied on the gulf stream routes between the shores of Africa and Latin American and the Caribbean. Using narrowly built ships, that carried merchandise and between 30 to 50 people to row while travelling, these ships were able to rely on the quick currents that would jet them across the Atlantic Ocean. He also claims that Christopher Columbus himself made note of the African merchants when he finally arrived to the Americas. Like I said, I haven't read this man's book, but it could be highly possible, and would make an interesting read for any one regardless of race.

Aaron

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: Re: thank you for the well written p..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

And so does Colombia.

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Re: thank you for the well written p..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

Mangu,

Read the history about Cabeza de Vaca, and the other legacies of Conquistadors after him. You will find that if it were not for the spread of diease, war, and slavery during the early conquering of the Americas by the Europeans, that the indian population within the Americas will be significantly larger.

In fact, the African slave trade began when the Portugese and Spaniard colonialists petitioned their mother countries for another source of cheap labor due to the dwindling indian population. Some of these colonialists themselves even made statements saying that if another source of labor is not found, then the indians of the Americas would be no more. So they petitioned for African slaves. And their mother countries granted their requests.

Cabeza de Vaca was a Conquistador, who became stranded in the Americas with two other Conquistador men, and a black Moore from Morrocco. These men travelled from the south eastern part of the USA to the south western part of the USA, and later to Mexico where they came in contact with a Spanish colony. These men lost contact with Spain for about 4 years. However, during their journey, they began to see the indians of the Americas as human beings, and not savages as the other Spanish colonialists did. They took on the culture of the indians, learned their languages, and even married. At the end, Cabeza de Vaca returned to Spain to protest againts the slavery and deaths of indians in the Americas. But, he was largely ignored by his own people.

Cabeza de Vaca became to be considered as a hero for many indian nations in the Americas.  

Aaron

[Cali vet]

... in response to Re: there were some differences in the c..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

It took 8 years for Cabeza De Vaca to make his way to Mexico. He and his companions were often held as slaves by Indian groups they encountered along the southern states. It seems that he survived ie wasn't killed mainly because he had some medical skill he used to help them. He later led major expeditions through South America passing through Iguazu Falls and following some political intrigue was actually sentenced to banishment to Africa for 8 years. That was later annulled and he died in honor in Spain in 1557. His original report to the king of Spain on the North American adventure was written in 1542 and titled "La Relacion". It still exists and a nice translation of it is "Cabeza De Vaca's Adventures in the Unknown Interior of America" published by the University of New Mexico Press.

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: thank you for the well written p..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

Aaron, are you referring to "THEY CAME BEFORE COLUMBUS"?

[Aaron]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: thank you for the well writt..., posted by Keith Smith on Jul 4, 2001

Keith,

Yes, I am referring to that book. However, you may be more knowledgeable of his findings than I am because I have not read it. If you know anything about it.... lay it on me.

Aaron

[Keith Smith]

... in response to Re: Re: Re: Re: thank you for the well w..., posted by Aaron on Jul 4, 2001

Aaron, I haven't read the book, but I did glance through it. If it's still available, I may buy it this weekend. Take care.