A question for you guys...

[Hodajr]

... in response to touchy  touchy now aren't we, posted by Traveler on Apr 27, 2001

Still not impressed....

you live in NYC. she will have even more opportunity to meet other latins than in most places, she will seek them out.

- Wow, there's a revelation!

-I find a country I'm interested in. read about cool places to visit and go. I don't think you get much about the flare of the culture or the taste of the food from reading an article

- Aahh, so you read FIRST!!! That was my point in terms of introducting something different to someone...

-her life will not be limited to you and your family unless you keep her in the closet. she will make her own determinations regarding Americans

- Yet another revelation...

-cold - aloof, distant, not especially friendly especially with strangers. not particularly friendly with neighbors. not real social with people beyond the inner circle of friends and family. surely you have noticed the kisses on the cheek, the tendency to go out in larger groups, it seems like they "know" everybody.

- Sounds like people you can find ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD!!!

- I have found that latin people are much more hospitable towards foreigners than Americans are. personal observation, not just point of view.

- Ahem...a personal observation is a point of view.

- I guarantee it.

No guarantees in life, except that one day it will end!

[Traveler]

... in response to Been down this road before w/you....., posted by Hodajr on Apr 27, 2001

in fact, science is the means of explaining what is observed in nature.  

a point of view can be anything, but not necessarly based on experience.  

example

malandro says, "I think Venezuela is a nice country"   I have been there, I speak from experience.

Hoda says, "I think Venezuela is a nice country"  purely conjecture.  just an opinion not based on any experience

see the difference

people are different all over the world.  don't you find latin culture friendly.  kind of warm and fuzzy??  isn't that one of the things that draws you to it??

however being in NYC there will be numerous advantages for her.  a large latin community, plenty of activity.  however, Idaho might not be the same.  (That is my personal opinion)

I don't think we are so far apart.

[Hodajr]

... in response to an observation has experience behind it., posted by Traveler on Apr 27, 2001

in fact, science is the means of explaining what is observed in nature.

- Careful how you use science/data. Results can be skewed to form observation(s) which are not always honest.

a point of view can be anything, but not necessarly based on experience.

- A point of view can be on anything...Period! How it is interpreted is purely subjective.

example

malandro says, "I think Venezuela is a nice country" I have been there, I speak from experience.

- The person interpreting/listening or reading still make a subjective decision on the value of your experience.

Hoda says, "I think Venezuela is a nice country" purely conjecture. just an opinion not based on any experience

- refer to above answer. Two people go to the same movie, one claims it's great, the other said, it sucks. Whose experience do you believe. I can sing the praises of Colombian woman based on my "Experience" till I'm 90. Will my experience convice you to go....No! LOL!

see the difference

- see the difference

people are different all over the world. don't you find latin culture friendly. kind of warm and fuzzy?? isn't that one of the things that draws you to it??

- Absolutely, no doubt about it. But one does not live by warm & fuzzy alone. I enjoy Cali, but I don't think I could live there permanetly. I find warm and friendly everywhere.
Of course some places more than others. Latin culture sure wasn't "warm & fuzzy" the last time I went through the airport at Cali....

however being in NYC there will be numerous advantages for her. a large latin community, plenty of activity. however, Idaho might not be the same. (That is my personal opinion)

- Understood...But who's to say the woman who goes to Idaho won't be happy. She might embrace the change more than you think...

I don't think we are so far apart.

- Apart yes, far no...Peace

[Patrick]

... in response to Experience isn't an absolute....., posted by Hodajr on Apr 27, 2001

At least the part about Latin people being "warmer".  I've probably spent a total of around 6 months in various Latin countries over the years and have had many Latino friends (actual Latinos, not second generation Chicanos).  I also believe that Latin people are, in general, warmer and more accepting of foreigners than Americans.  I think if you poll enough people who've been around both Latin and American cultures a lot you'd get an overwhelming percentage in agreement with this.  I talked with an older Mexican man once who said, "America is good for the wallet, but bad for the soul."  I think he pretty much summed it up.

There's plenty of happy Latinas here though, in spite of our culture.  Now, let's get back to bringing more of them to the U.S. to bring about further "latinafication" of this place!

[Pete Eiguren]

... in response to But I'd have to back him up on that, posted by Patrick on Apr 27, 2001

Latin people do seem open and warm.Americans may be like this to not like this depending on the people and location.I guess I would agree that latins are generally warmer.
But,how about some of them that will rob you,kidnap you and kill you?I think its a larger percentage than here,or maybe they are just more blatant.My wife told me a story about riding busses in Cali that might give you a whole different impression of how nice some latinos can be.

Pete

[Houndog]

... in response to Re: Yes but how about the latins who are..., posted by Pete Eiguren on Apr 28, 2001

I have to agree with this. When you get into the 'core' of the people, yes they are warm and friendly. However I saw frowns and scowls on faces in malls in Cali and Cartagena just like I see here.

Yes they walk around more and have open and social nieghborhoods that we don't seem to have. But this is the core group. And most have families that have lived in the same places for generations and lots of relatives , so it seems like everybody knows everybody else. I think this is what many of us find attractive about the culture, however there is plenty of the not so nice stuff to go around also, like Machismo. So Better...I don't know about that in the broadest sense. Small scale yes. Different, definately.

When was the last time one of us was Hugged by a Taxi Driver or a DAS at the Airport ?

Houndog

[Hodajr]

... in response to But I'd have to back him up on that, posted by Patrick on Apr 27, 2001

No doubt about latin people being warmer. In America being good for the wallet but bad for the soul. Well...I have some different takes on that! But enough of this! Back to bringing more latinas to the U.S. but only for those deserving. We can go back & forth for days & still be in the same place as which we started!!!1

Peace...Hoda

[tommi]

... in response to A question for you guys..., posted by Georgina on Apr 27, 2001

Just kidding...Georgina, great question! Why don't you set up some sort of network to make transitions for Colombian women a little easier. IN THE MESSAGES YOU POST YOU SEEM VERY COMPASSIONATE AND SINCERE.

Ever considered setting up some sort of site. With a little help it could be set up. A place for these women to go to ask questions and get input from others that face same the challenges. I'm sure many of the guys that participate in this forum would probably donate some time and or resources to a cause that can only help their relationships or perspective ones to come. I know I would.

Just my own thoughts.

[Patrick]

... in response to lock her in the broom closet with the do..., posted by tommi on Apr 27, 2001

But I think it may have been a lady who later was ill and she may not have gotten it off the ground.  Was it Sylvia???  ANybody remember anything about that?

[NW Jim]

... in response to I think somebody already started that, posted by Patrick on Apr 27, 2001

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/esposaslatinas/

NW Jim

[denvermike]

... in response to A question for you guys..., posted by Georgina on Apr 27, 2001

Hi,

I can't say I have direct information, but a close friend of mine married a women from Cali last June. It has been a difficult transition for her. She has had a difficult time learning English, more than what I would consider normal. This fact has made it very difficult to obtain work for herself.

They have been fortunate in that her family have the resources to travel to the USA.  For awhile her mother came to stay with them.  It was a big help.  She has a sister in Florida. So there is some direct family contact.

She has a very bad opinion of life in Cali now, so she has not missed that area of her life. She has not complained about the differences in society. Her entire family is working on getting out of Colombia, one by one.

But it has been a difficult transition for her.  They have had some difficult times. But there is genuine love between and my friend says they have been sucessful in working in out, and that now they are closer than ever.

She essentially lived at home until she got married. So it was a large adjustment to become a wife, to live in a foreign country, and to be away from home, all at the same time.  No one said it was going to be easy.

Hope this helps,
mike

[Traveler]

... in response to A question for you guys..., posted by Georgina on Apr 27, 2001

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[Traveller]

... in response to good questions, the responses should be ..., posted by Traveler on Apr 27, 2001

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[Traveler]

... in response to Can't people find their own screen names..., posted by Traveller on Apr 27, 2001

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