sacmmer ?

[chevy]

That beautiful 23 year old I mentioned who had been writing me.
She wrote me 3 e-mails so far. Now she asked if I could help her
with the cost of renting time in the internet because she is poor.
  I asked her for her phone number but she never gave it to me or
mentioned it.
  I think this is a red flag, right?

[Peter Lee]

... in response to sacmmer ?, posted by chevy on Apr 14, 2003

How do u know it is her and she is 23??

Sometimes the older aunts will use there pic and mail address.  You may be emailing a 65 year old woman and not know it.

They are all mostly poor, but they can work and not except any money.  Some do not except any money at all.

Ask how much she needs??

She will say it is up to u

Then say how much is your email fee and jeepney fair to get there?

It cost me about 40 pesos per hour to chat or rent the time for the computer in Cebu when I was there.  That's less than 80cents and hour.  Some of them make $2.80 a day so for them it is expensive.

One way to know if it is really her have her use  web cam live better tban pic anyway.  
At least time

ANY TIME U SEND MONEY U WILL NEVER KNOW IF SHE WANTS U OR THE CASH.  Been there done that

I am the least experienced one on this forum but wanted to get my 2cents in.

Make friends but don't send money ok!

Yes a big red flag for sure but I would have some fun with it and see if you can catch em at a lie.  

On the other hand - You never know it could be legit lol.

If you check back in this forum I have given examples of gales that are really good at asking for the money honey.  If you have time check back to a few weeks ago.

Good Luck and send me money hon am 22 and i am poor, i am trying to go to school and my pappa is sick.I have to ask my momma for money every day to email you and i want to email you every day hon.it is up to you how much you send coz i now u got good hart. If u dont its ok hon coz i wil be ok. i ask my frends for money to email today but dont worry bowt me ok hon. plz i hop u wil stil emale me coz i am poor and hafe nothing to give. If u sent the money wester union too Mrs Honey needs the money neverhave towork village Carcar Cebu 6000 Philippines. im sory hon but i dont have a fone and i want to talk to you every day but i am ashamed to aks u for the money. It cosdt 7,000peso for the cell phone and if u dont by me one i understand hon God wil protect me so dont wory bout me ok hon i am ok.iwant to hear your voice eveyday i hope ur ok to and i pray that God protect u to. Hon i rely got to like you and atachd toyou now after 3 times. i wil sent a pic but it cost lots of money. i can borow a cam and buy film and it cost abot 2,000peso but dont worry abot me hon i am ok. Hon when u come here i wil mak u comfortable and do anything that makes u hapy hon.i got cut finger yesterday and im lucky i dont need stiches hon i go to doc and he says its no problem but i need meds and i am shamed to ask u hon it is anibiotics and they r to expensive here i need 400peso a day for 6wks for my cut hon did u remeber the western union address hon. but if u dont send it is ok hon i am ok it is up to u God wil help me but the finger hurts hon butit will be ok.  uknow hon my school tuition is alredy due and my papa didnt work coz he is sick and could u help me just this time hon i wil work and pay u back later but i dont want to miss school hon.imiss you hon plz I hope u mail me again hon sorry mytime is up no more money hon byeeeee   muuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhheeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaa love you hon.sent the money hony.

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: sacmmer ?, posted by Peter Lee on Apr 14, 2003

Hi Peter,

I have to disagree about you being the least experienced here! You gained a whole lot of experience in a very short amout of time! I was lucky and never personally went through the problems you have. I have only witnessed it and heard about others who have.  Best of luck to you in the future!

Dave H.

[Peter Lee]

... in response to "Least Experienced?", posted by Dave H on Apr 14, 2003

I have also gone fishing using good bait.  You can catch a lot of fish that way.  

My travel agent has a sign on his desk is says:

OLD AGE AND TRECHERY
OVER COME
YOUTH AND SKILL

Have we ever thought about scamming the scammers??

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: "Least Experienced?", posted by Peter Lee on Apr 15, 2003

Hi Peter,

I think that Shadow was using the 'scam the scammers' approach and having a good time with it. ;o)))

Dave H.

[Dave H]

... in response to sacmmer ?, posted by chevy on Apr 14, 2003

[This message has been edited by Dave H]

Hi Chevy,

I have to agree with the others comments. Not having a phone is not necessarily an indication of a scam. But as Mita mentioned, it is likely that she has a cellphone or at least access to a phone in this day and age. Perhaps not if she is living in the bundoks, but then she wouldn't have Internet access either. Not giving you the number after indicating that she would like to continue to chatting with you or saying that she has no phone is a bit odd IMHO. It would not cost her anything for you to call once in a while and is much more personal. Asking for money is a big red flag to me...even small amounts, especially at this stage. That is very direct for a Filipina. The Internet cafes can be expensive for Filipinas, especially if they are chatting with more than one person. If she is poor, I don't see why she is wasting what little money she has there. It would have been more appropriate for her to say, "I really enjoy chatting with you. I am sorry that I cannot come to the Internet cafe more often." Then let you question why and perhaps offer to assist. Then of course, it should not be quick or easy for her to accept your assistance. I agree with Jeff that most of these ladies are "damsels in distress" waiting to be rescued, rather than professional scammers. But, who needs a distressed damsel? Not me!!! I was married to one before. Every day I thank God that I am now married to a woman who stands firmly on her own two feet. We share everything, especially our love, friendship, and companionship...and humor...and chocolate (now that is love!) :oD Financially, neither of us is or feels dependent upon the other.

Good Luck!

Dave H.

[Ray]

... in response to Distressed Damsel, posted by Dave H on Apr 14, 2003

Good thoughts Dave!

But something you said has me very concerned. When you said that you two share "everything", does that include purple things also? Do you dress up in her shoes and underwear? Does she use your George Forman Nuclear Powered Hot Dog Cooker? Hey, don't mind me... :-)

You're a lucky guy! My wife doesn't share her chocolate with me. I can never find where she hides it! LOL

Ray

[Peter Lee]

... in response to Re: Distressed Damsel, posted by Ray on Apr 14, 2003

If I get that blow up doll I get to keep all the chocolate.  Perks!!!

One day i hope to be whiening about how happy I am then i will be an accepted member of the inner circle.  MCFFLLOCQQRST

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Re: Distressed Damsel, posted by Peter Lee on Apr 15, 2003

Hi Peter,

No 'Inner Circle'...just started as Ray and my adding to the standard 'ROFLMAO' and 'LOL' in an effort to get around Patrick's 'Cuss-O'Meter' and grew from there. Sometimes it takes a while to figure it out. I threw in a new letter (D) recently. Ray figured correctly that my 'D' stood for 'diaper.'

Dave H.

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Distressed Damsel, posted by Ray on Apr 14, 2003

Hi Ray,

While my wife would probably share her size 4-5 shoes with me, my size 11's won't fit and my big ol' body ain't fitting in any of her clothes. ))) I will admit that I am a little selfish and won't share my purple G-string with her...besides it would fall off. It's a guy thing...maybe Key West or San Francisco, but a guy thing just the same! LOL I tried to share it last night with Jim and Jay and they didn't want any part of it! ROFLMAOCUMGDLPASIMMFD!!!

Dave H.

[Ray]

... in response to Well...a slight correction, posted by Dave H on Apr 14, 2003

...PASIYMFD? Diaper? ROTFFLMGDAO!

Were you at least able to get Jimbo to sniff it?

I know it wouldn't bother Jay a bit (LOL)

Ray

[Dave H]

... in response to Re: Well..., posted by Ray on Apr 15, 2003

Hi Ray,

Right 'D' stands for 'Diaper.' Jim had some kind of virus...I suspected SARS. LOL I gave him a surgical mask to wear, then told him it was a Japanese jock strap. 8-H Just don't tell Jay something smells like a cat fart before he has his morning coffee or he will barf. BUMB! (Barfing Up My Breakfast)

'Diaper' Dave H.

[Jeff S]

... in response to sacmmer ?, posted by chevy on Apr 14, 2003

.. you'll find too many established, professional scammers like you might find in other places. For instance, Jack's (Firstdream) scammer list has women who may even be men and use pictures of models to professionally bilk one man after another out of cash. While these pros deserve a scammer list, the vast majority of the girls are just mis-advised, young, likely naieve, and get one, maybe two chances to ask rich Americans to put them on the gravy train based on a few rumors they've heard. You have to realize, that she probably heard lots of stories from friends and family about how rich gringos are supporting their PI girlfriends and their families in the (relatively speaking) lap of luxury. That's probably true anywhere in the world, even right here in the USA. (As I understand it, it's becoming standard practice for women to pull a TRW on a man before accepting a date.) A poor girl who thinks she might find a rich gringo to rescue her doesn't deserve to be blacklisted, and labeled as a "scammer," IMO. Succumbing to the temptation of asking for help isn't the same as deliberately setting out to deceive. As Dr. Laura says, if you rescue a damsel in distress, all you end up with is a distressed damsel.

Anyway, I agree with several others who posted below, that the basic red flag here is the moral lapse of asking someone she doesn't really know for money. One of the most important qualities of a wife, at least for me, is her ability to do the right thing in spite of temptation or outside pressure from friends or family. (or maybe it's big hooters, I 'm still undecided.)

- Jeff

[Peter Lee]

... in response to In the Phils, I don't think..., posted by Jeff S on Apr 14, 2003

IT IS ALWAYS THE HOOTERS IF THAT HELPS YOU DECIDE LOL

[Mita]

... in response to sacmmer ?, posted by chevy on Apr 14, 2003

Just 3 emails and she is asking you for money?  Who sponsored her earlier chats with you if she's poor then?  IF she is online, I'm almost sure she has a cellphone.  Does she work?  At her age she should be working.  Red flags everywhere - quit while it's still early and you have no attachments.  You'll find someone less interested in wringing  a few dollars out of you.