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Author Topic: Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW  (Read 7145 times)
Ukrainelover
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« on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

I have been reading this newsgroup sporadically for the last 2 years primarily for nostalgic reasons but have been reluctant to contribute to it. Finally I thought maybe sharing my experiences may help someone in their pursuit of happiness. Also my approach was different from most other stories in this newsgroup - an approach which most people would say is bound to fail.

My story begin in 1996 when I filed for divorce and started the process of looking for a new life-partner. I didn’t attempt looking for AW for obvious reasons; even otherwise it would have failed based on my character. I tried to advertise in American Singles and received just one email response! I placed an adv in a US based Russian newspaper and got one phone call and probably she got disappointed and never called back. Then I asked my former Ukrainian professor who introduced me to a Ukrainian girl who has been living in US for 5 years. I met with her once and she turned me down probably because I told her truthfully about all my problems in the first visit.

Those days (in 1996) the mail-order firms were mainly based on printed catalogs. I ordered the Prima Club catalog which had 500 color photo listings and costed $125 for all 500 addresses. I think I wrote to about 200 of them a standard letter with one side in English and the other side in Russian translated version. I used a demo version of a Russian translator program to translate it. Since I was impatient, I send the same letter as email delivery ($5 per email to Ukrainian postal mail) to 50 selected girls . I got quite a lot of response.

Few of them even called me- one of them being my future wife. She was 18 years old then and I was 33 years old. She called me for 2 minutes and gave her number to call back. We talked for 30 minutes. She found it strange that I was cataloging all my disadvantages like going through divorce; having a kid, etc and asking whether that is alright with her! After the phone conversation, I was so excited and wanted to visit her immediately. Since she lives in the dorm and visits her apartment once a week, I had no way of calling her again. Nevertheless I booked a flight and made only one day reservation in hotel in Kiev and her home town. The Ukrainian travel agent made arrangements for me to be picked up at airport and at hotel and to be taken to train. I asked the travel agent to call her neighbor and leave a message for her that I am coming to visit her. Later on I learned that my future wife found it had to believe I would really come and it was all a joke. I had made a list of 4 other girls who had responded whom I could meet to incase the first one fails.

I was flying from Chicago to Kiev direct flight via Ukrainian Airlines. By the way I never used that airlines again - everybody smokes even in non-smoking area! I was told that it was a direct flight but never knew that it stops over in Lviv for refueling. Since Kiev and Lviv sounds kinda similar, I somehow got the impression when the flight landed that it was Kiev and nobody was waiting for me there. To make my confusion realistic, they made me check all my luggage and hand searched them. Nobody speaks English since it is a Lviv is small town. After spending 30 minutes sweating, I located one passenger in the airport who speaks English and who explained the whole thing. Everybody had to recheck the luggage and the next stop was Kiev. There I was greeted by the translator/driver who took me to the railway station, bought me a ticket to Krivoy Rog and placed me in the appropriate compartment. It was an overnight journey to Krivoy Rog and I was in a 2 per room setup. The other Ukrainian passenger was a nice guy. I had taken with me a handheld Russian electronic translator. It was so cumbersome to use to have a conversation. Finally I resorted to using sign language and showing words from a pocket dictionary.

The problems started again when I landed in Krivoy Rog next day and there was nobody waiting for me. I had paid for a translator to pick me up but he didn’t show up. There nobody in the railway station who speaks English. I was standing there like a fool not knowing what to do. My fellow passenger seeing my plight agreed to hire a taxi for me and take me to a local hotel. As expected the receptionist in the hotel doesn’t speak English. He got me a room and helped me to make a phone call to my future wife. When I heard her voice in English it was such a relief! She said she will meet me in the lobby in one  hours. This passenger even took me to my room and showed me how to use the flush in the bath-room. Please note that this passenger was traveling from Berlin to Kiev to Krivoy Rog and must be very tired. That shows the hospitality of the local people. I found this hospitality even at other times.

My future wife met me in the lobby. She was 6 feet tall, natural blonde and very pretty. By the way I am shorter than her. Also she talked fluent English since she was enrolled as a linguist student in the local college. She didn’t even have the typical Russian accent. We walked to her apartment which took about 45 minutes. I was famished since I didn’t have my breakfast yet. She offered me Cavier on bread. I have never seen or heard about Cavier before and made a stupid remark, “Don’t bother with the canned food”. She still teases me about my ignorance. As usual, I stated all my facts about my life especially my problems and disadvantages. Then I asked her as to whether she is interested in me. She responded positively. So asked her to marry me. This was 2 hours after meeting and while waiting for her parents to arrive from their countryside home. Her parents did not take me seriously when I asked them about marrying their only child! I know what most of you must be thinking - this is a stupid and immature decision.

The only gifts I had bought from US were some Hersley chocolate variety packs from Walmart. She invited me to stay at her house instead of the hotel which I gladly did. I remember the class that I taken in marital therapy long time ago when my Professor had said, “If you really want to know how you future wife will behave with you, then stay in her house and watch her behavior with her family because that is the similar way she is going to treat you.” Looking back retrospectively it is very true. I cancelled my meeting with the other girls and spend the whole one week with her. We had a great time and we practically had a feast every day. At the end of the stay, I gave her $1000 as a gift.

Since my divorce took almost over a year to complete, I visited her in Ukraine totally 5 times each for 10-14 days before we got married. Once we went to a small town by the Black sea and spend a week. We rented a house for $3 per day! She bought groceries from the local market and cooked the food for us. We had a great time. Never during all these trip, did we go to any restaurants. I had suggested once and she tried to discourage me saying it is too expensive. Also she was very disciplined about no love-making before marriage. Even though it was little frustrating then, now I realize that her same disciple keeps her faithful and sincere to me.

We got married in her town and had a small wedding with just 15 family and friends invited. It was in a hotel and there was 4 courses of meal and costed $35 per head. We went to Poland for our honeymoon where I applied for her visa to save time since even if we applied in Kiev, the papers are send to Warsaw. She got her visa in less than 3 months. Since I was impatient, I told her to skip the formalities of Ukrainian paperwork. So she took a train to Warsaw and took a flight to US practically eloping from her country. Skipping the Ukraine’s costly and time-consuming formalities means that she can’t return back to her country with Ukrainian passport because they wouldn’t let her out again! So she had to wait till she got her US citizenship which she did. I got her enrolled in BS in computer science and she completed with high honors. Within 6 months she will be completing her Masters in computer science. She has never worked so far partly because I discouraged it. She was offered a scholarship for MBA which I asked her to turn it down since we have a baby now and doing 2 masters at the same time can be stressful. She has sponsored her parents who hopes to come soon. We recently celebrated our 5 year marriage anniversary. Like any married life, we do have our small ups and downs but we try to resolve all our differences before bedtime!

In conclusion, it was a marriage after one letter, one phone call and one visit and 2 hours conversation before making decision to marry. That is for now folks.....

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Phillip
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

I did not propose to my wife until four days after we met.  I guess I am a snail compared to you...

I think you just broke the record Smiley  Anyway, my wife and I have been married 4 1/2 years now.  HOW were you able to get her citizenship so fast?  We have been waiting for over 2 years now.

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Ukrainelover
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« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Phillip on Nov 28, 2002

Congrats on the successful marriage.

We applied for citizenship 6 months before the 3 US year stay happened. Again it depends on the City you apply in. I was told some states have longer waiting period. After after 911, I am sure it has really slowed down.

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thesearch
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

Welcome and thanks for posting.

Any challenges with the age difference that you had to deal with?

Greg

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Ukrainelover
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: , posted by thesearch on Nov 27, 2002

Well, I can’t think of any challenges with age differences. There are only advantages I can think of. She is little bit impatient. I guess that is not a age problem since I see that character in other older members of her family too. Well I can’t really think of anything else..

As for the advantages, there are many of them. From my understanding, a RW of 18 is life mature as a 28 yr old AW. I am trying to compare my wife to the son (American raised) of my colleague who are of the same age group. He is a A grade medical student. This is the third car his dad had bought him. He has crashed them. He is always getting speeding tickets. I bought my wife a new SUV and not a single bump for over 4 years. She has not got a single speeding ticket. She drives not more than 10 miles above speed limit.

She can’t stand loud music. She doesn’t wear head-phones to listen to music. She loves to cook and clean around the house on her own free will. And she is not that dumb blonde from the countryside. She has been a straight A student at Master level software engineering when for all practical purposes she never used a computer till I got her one in one of my trips to Ukraine.

I believe that if you are attracted towards younger RW, go for it since they have the physical attractiveness of younger female with the maturity of older women. Also, from a selfish point of view, younger the age, more easily you can mould them to your lifestyle. And some of that youth quality gets rubbed on to you too and you feel more younger again! And Boy, they are great in bed. Be prepared for marathon session :-)

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Frank O
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

about the negative. I listed I was divorced, not a dr or atty but a music teacher, 33 years old (now 34), & did not consider myself attractive. In short I put ALL my negatives up front. I figured whoever wrote must REALLY be interested. I think it worked. I still use that approach when I met girls on my first trip (soon to write about). If only more MEN were that up front they might spare themselves hardaches.
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Ukrainelover
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Good thing...I did the same..., posted by Frank O on Nov 27, 2002

That reminds me of a RW whom my wife befriended when she came to US. She came to US on a fiancee visa. After coming to US, she came to know from other source that her fiancee is 3 times divorced (not a big deal for her) and that one of his wives have a restraining order on him. She never knew any of this information before while in Ukraine. When he was in Kiev, he spend lavishly and they were visiting expensive restaurants. While in US, he was collecting coupons and buying products from Warehouse clubs in bulk to save money. She wanted to have “Head and shoulders” shampoo which she was accustomed to in Ukraine while he was forcing her to use some generic brand. There were so many trivial things which used to spark the quarrel and finally she had to go back to Ukraine. She used to have a job in an international firm in Kiev and reasonably good life style and suddenly she was on budget in US. She had a car there in Kiev and here her boyfriend was thinking of giving his old car to her maybe one day! What really pissed her off was the unpleasant surprises.

Unfortunately many men try to put on a facade of richness while visiting Ukraine when they are ordinary workers back home. I believe in the long run this is not productive in the continuation of the relationship.

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juio99
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Good thing...I did the same..., posted by Frank O on Nov 27, 2002

I think I might have had it once or twice.  :-))
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thesearch
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to What is a 'hardache?', posted by juio99 on Nov 27, 2002

Painful erection I think. LOL
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Frank O
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to What is a 'hardache?', posted by juio99 on Nov 27, 2002

I meant heartache!!! LOL!!!! Man what head was I thinking with?!!!
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Griffin
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to What is a 'hardache?', posted by juio99 on Nov 27, 2002


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juio99
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

Would you recommend your exact course of action to your son, your godson, your brother, your best friends?

And I am not talking about changing the situation around or hearing about such things as 'nothing risked, nothing gained.'

JR

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Ukrainelover
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Now for a test of true honesty, posted by juio99 on Nov 27, 2002

It depends on the character of the person and where they are bought up. My kids are all American born and raised. Probably when they grow up they will never appreciate this method since it is not the cultural norm here. They might be amused to hear it. This method is useful for those born and raised abroad where this type of behavior and attitude is normal.

So the answer is NO.

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Ukrainelover
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Now for a test of true honesty, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

I forgot, two of my friends went to Ukraine after seeing my family. They were both raised abroad. One of them took a totally honest approach from the very get-go. He was amazed at the number of girls who wanted to marry him dispite all this problems. According to him, the girls were amazed to see his frank attitute which they never saw in other men who had visited them. He still has not decided yet.
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Griffin
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2002, 05:00:00 AM »

... in response to Experience of 5 year+ marriage to RW, posted by Ukrainelover on Nov 27, 2002

Did you bypass the INS somehow?  Before the LIFE act I thought spousal visas were taking years to get approved.
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