OK, someone splain......

[Zink]

... in response to amazing., posted by BrianN on Nov 7, 2002

I know some of the history of LP. And I know some about what was said of board. Personally I don't give a crap about that. If someone asks a decent question of me I'll try to give a decent answer. It's about sharing info, I don't get involved emotionally with what goes on here anymore. I liked both MarkinTX and LP and I thought what happened was incredibly stupid on both their parts(and some other's). I was in Russia and missed the original mess that started it all. But it needs to end somewhere. Mark's happy with his fiance and LP's behaving and that's good enough for me.

[Dan]

... in response to Re: amazing., posted by Zink on Nov 7, 2002

n/t

[Quasimoto]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Just out of curiosity, this gal's name isn't Irina is it? From Ottawa?

I would like to know what she says. Why don't you have her write her thoughts down, send them to you, and post them here. Maybe, just maybe.........................no, probably not! She'll probably get slammed. But I for one would like to hear her opinions.

Steve

[LP]

... in response to Re: OK, someone splain......, posted by Quasimoto on Nov 6, 2002

...not Irina and not Ottatwa. See below for some of her opinions.

As for the rest, yeah, she would get slammed here.

[BrianN]

... in response to Nope....., posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

she'd run from you like the plague.

Kind of funny how so many fools gather around your topic and they know who you are and what you're about....

This is really amazing, and quite disgraceful behaviour on the part of what I would consider to be an honorable crowd.

hmmm...  Had your world rocked lately?

[LP]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

....for the input.

RW: Yes, I think he may need a attorney to look into this more closely. If she was a Canadian citizen she would have to go through a normal K1. After all, Canada is a forgien country and they are not excempt from the process. The problem is, she's not a Canadian citizen. If this flys it'll be interesting to see what the INS considers her to "be" from an immigration standpoint and what hoops will be required to jump through.

Zinkman: Thanks for the scoop. If you find out more, let me know. I have since found out she came on a business visa, then married a Russian/Canadian. I surmise that changed her status in some way. Divorced now, she has a tourist visa for the US good until 2007. She needs that and can't simply enter the US the way you "real" Canadians can. Other than this and voting, she claims the same rights as any Canadian citizen. Make sense to you?

KenC: I see you're falling back on your own experience. Interesting, that might be an angle to explore. If it pans out, that would be the sweetest plum of all. It appears she'll soon be coming to meet him as he say it's to damn cold up north. (Typical native Southern Californian, they'll die below 10 C. ;-)

Pordzhik: Thanks, I'll pass it on. Her situation is not clear to me because I got all this second hand. I think the first child may have happened outside of Ukraine but it's hard to tell because of her writing skills. Something about while she was attending school somewhere. The second was the result of a marriage to a Nigerian and I think this was in Ukraine. I admit that would be unusual. Just proves how potent love can be. Then again, thats no surprise to the folks here. ;-)

Bill: Basically it's the same views as all the other women I have befriended in the FSU who spilled their guts after giving up trying to win my slot. Generally speaking, when the ball is no longer in play they confessed the priority is to get here first and hope the marriage works as a bonus. If it does not, at least they are here and will have other oppurtunities. But most *do* hope the marriage will work. Most say their "love" is exaggerated for this purpose but they hope all will turn out OK. Kind of a mix between a true scam and a true love. No foul, no harm. Sounds about right to me. Of course, there are exceptions to this M.O. but I've heard it from so many now I beleive it to be truth.

Se may say she's westernized but her "Russianness" is starting to spill out all over my buddy. Thats a good thing I suppose, proves you can't take all the Russian out of some folks. She's already written a few things that have blown him away and bring back some fond memories for me. lol, damn these girls.....

As for the Kherson girl, I agree she has serious moxie. You be right: Ukrainian culture takes a dim view of this based on her writings. It's gotta make life even tougher than normal. But being the true FSU mom she seems to be, she loves these kids and will not back down. I know there have been some African Americans in MOB on ocassion and she might be of interest to them. Course, a white guy could just as easily help her if he was so inclined. I wish her luck.

[BrianN]

... in response to Thanks all....., posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Lol!  you da man!  You Rock!  You got all the bases and your buddies covered here dewd!  

LP-ay for Presidente!

[RW]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

LP,

as you know yourself he definitely needs to talk to the lawyer and figure out the situation.

I just know that friend of mine, who is American just got married to Canadian guy and they had to do K-1 even though he is Canadian citizen and can come to US without visa requirements. That was my original thought that he just would come, they get married and file for AOS. They told me that another couple they know did that and than INS turned down their AOS application cause they did it skipping K-1 route. So they went K-1 route which in their case was very fast as obviously the waiting period is not even comparable to the one in Russia or Ukraine.

There is another trigger here. She certainly can come over and they can get married - there is no law against it, but according to INS she should have been coming to US WITHOUT intend to get married. If they can demonstrate later that there was no intend, there AOS interview might go well - you never know.

Russian Wife

[Zink]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

I'll try to explain what I know about Canadian immigration. Del is more of an expert but I think he's busy at the moment. It's been too long since I studied all this to go into much more detail. There are a wide variety of visas for Canada. The stupid laws for family class visas changed recently and it's much more difficult for Russians to come to Canada. I'm not up to date on them yet. I figured I'd wait until I was sure I wanted to bring someone over and then study the latest version of the laws. But anyhow.

Canada doesn't have a green card but it does have conditional citizen status. I believe this status is given immedietly once the immigration application is accepted. Then they have the same travel rights as a Canadian citizen as far as our government is concerned. Other countires will still treat them as Russians until they become full citizens. I forget whether it is 3 or 5 years before they can apply for full citizenship. Being a permanent resident of Canada probably gives them an edge on obtaining visas for other other countries like the US because we do have such strict regulations.

Depending on what type of visa the person immigrated with there are different rules. I've met lots of people from different countries who've come here on ordinary immigrant visas. But if they came on a family class(including the now obsolete fiance visa) there were more restrictions. The immigrant can't work or own property until they are granted citizenship. I have a cousin who married a Korean student many years ago. They brought her mother over and then got into some problems. The mom has lived here legally for about 10 years but can't gain her citizenship. So she's been working illegally to earn enough money to live. I don't know all the details about their case or the reasons why this happened.

[KenC]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

LP.
I would think that a K-1 is not necessary because her entrance into the US would be covered by her standing visa.  If and when they got married, they would pettition the INS for a change in status (AOS).  I am surprised about the woman with the kids as Russians in general are rather intolerant of inter-racial relationships.
KenC

[Quasimoto]

... in response to Re: OK, someone splain......, posted by KenC on Nov 6, 2002

Hi Ken,

I agree wholeheartedly, but I might add, that as a University sports coach, I saw many many of these relationships over the years. I only know of one couple who got married. Most of the women had kids, and the father was gone!!!!  I believe it is a flirtation with danger, and a certain rebeliousness that is involved. I could write a book and have a lot of observations on this issue, but not here. In the FSU, it is really surprising, though POP culture and their versions of MTV over there are really promoting it.

Steve

[Pordzhik]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

Advise the Kherson lady to place a personal ad in www.loot.co.uk, a popular free ads publication with a wide readership based in London. Having mixed-race children is not really an issue in these parts nowadays.

[wsbill]

... in response to OK, someone splain......, posted by LP on Nov 6, 2002

That is pretty rare I would imagine.  The mere fact that she held on to both of them is quite interesting since a orphanage would seem like a likely destination for both in a other wise discrimating place like Ukraine.

Kudo to her.

Tell us more about the Canadian girl, about her opinions etc...