The Problem WIth Statistics

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Re: The Problem WIth Statistics, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 15, 2002

Mark,
You're squeezing this one a bit too tight.  If you don't KNOW that abortions are MUCH more prevelant in the FSU than the USA, you are kidding yourself.  Your post on statistics is right on, but this logic is out there.  There is a VERY good chance that a sexually active FSU woman has had an abortion.  Their pregnancy prevention sucks.  Most are not on the pill and even the use of condoms is lacking.  They have sex, get preggers and abort.  I could easily imgine the woman NOT sharing this information until later as noted.
KenC

[MarkInTx]

... in response to come on Mark, posted by KenC on Oct 15, 2002

I don't disagree with the statement that "abortions are MUCH more prevelant in the FSU than the USA".

That's not at all what I am saying. I'm just saying that I can't bring myself to accept that "Almost every woman in Russia has had one."

You have to admit, that is some kind of a leap!

My fiance got married because she was pregnant. Why would she do that if Abortions were so easy and almost expected?

Or does the term "Russian Women" not hold true for Ukrainian Women?

I just think that using statistics to back up a broad stereotype is intellectually dishonest, that's all.

However, I concede that there are more abortions in Russia (I guess.) I also will concede that if you date a 25 year old woman in Russia that it is MORE LIKELY that she has had an abortion than her 25 year old counterpart in America.

But to say that it is common knowledge that it is not only likely... not only probable... but a certainty.... That's too much.

And, as I said, it discards the influence of education, religion, and family upbringing... all which are valid...

IMHO

[Stevo]

... in response to Maybe... but you changed the message, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 15, 2002

saying very likely, if you prefer, instead of virtually certain.  To me, they're about the same degree, but to others they may be a different order of magnitude.  Virtually certain never meant ALL.  If you would accept very likely, then that's OK by me.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to I have no problem with..., posted by Stevo on Oct 15, 2002

... on MORE likely? ;-)

I have no problem with that!

[Stevo]

... in response to Can we compromise, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 15, 2002

ggg

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Yes, we can, if you'll move to much more..., posted by Stevo on Oct 15, 2002

n/t

[Dan]

... in response to Re: The Problem WIth Statistics, posted by Stevo on Oct 15, 2002

n/t

[Del]

... in response to The Problem WIth Statistics, posted by MarkInTx on Oct 15, 2002

figures don't lie, but, liars figure.
However, this post (and others of similar ilk) raise the question of why would one would pursue a woman from a different culture, system and possibly mindset, if such factors were of paramount importance?
If one is not prepared to ‘accept’ the total package (differences and all) why bother?
These are very strong women – and not “slow” or “dumb” by any means!

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Or, as my Grandpa always said....., posted by Del on Oct 15, 2002

While I am not sure that my post raises the question you ask... it is a valid one.

It is amazing to me the number of men who think that once they bring their woman over that they are "done" with Russia, and its culture.

The fact is that it IS a package deal.

But... guess what... so is life.

My mother once told me that if she had it to do over again, she wouldn't marry my father. (They are divorced now.) I said: "Gee thanks a lot. That's the same thing as saying you wish I had never been born..."

She immediately said: "Oh no! I don't mean that. I would never want to have a life without any of you boys! I would like to keep you boys. Just not the marriage."

But... it doesn't work that way. You never get to order life ala carte. It's always a blue plate special. You get everything... or nothing...

Food for thought, eh? (Pardon the pun...)