The U.S. Census statistics...

[BURKE89]

on: Immigrant Welfare Participation Rates in 1990, by National Origin Group (%)

Let's see... I read a book (Alien Nation by Peter Brimelow, 1995) back well, in 1995. I never thought of it's relevance regarding the RW subject. However, I recently looked over the various appendices and one, Appendix 3, actually stands out. I'll condense it, for brevities sake. In essence, it shows how many immigrants partake in U.S. public assistance by % in direct correlation to the nations of their birth. The most interesting facet was, the pre-1980 arrivals vs. all immigrants. With assimilation and talent, the %'s "should" be reduced not increased over time.(IMO)

Here's the top 10(lowest & highest):
(BTW, low=good vs. high=bad)

    Country of Birth/     All Immigrants %/     Pre-1980 Arrivals %

1.)   South Africa/           1.6/                    1.6
2.)   Japan /                 2.3/                    3.7
3.)   Taiwan /                3.3 /                   4.2
4.)   India /                 3.4/                    4.2
5.)   Australia /             3.7 /                   3.8
6.)   United Kingdom/         3.7 /                   4.1
7.)   Germany/                4.1/                    4.2
8.)   Austria/                4.3/                    4.5
9.)   Canada /                4.8/                    5.1
-     Argentina /             4.8/                    5.7
-     France/                 4.8/                    5.9

1.)   Cambodia/              48.8/                   24.4
2.)   Laos /                 46.3 /                  34.1
3.)   Dominican Republic/    27.9 /                  29.9
4.)   Vietnam /              25.8 /                  15.9
5.)   U.S.S.R. /             16.3/                   10.1
6.)   Cuba/                  16.0 /                  15.3
7.)   Ecuador/               11.9/                   13.8
8.)   Mexico/                11.3/                   12.8
9.)   Philippines /           9.8/                   10.5
10.)  Panama /                9.0 /                   8.7

I'm not going to op-ed this one. Yet, these stats on the FSU are pretty scary. FSU immigrants, I'm sad to say, are in some rather august company. I'm trying to find the equivilent stats for the 2000 census, to no avail so far. Any opinions?

Vaughn

[NW Jim]

... in response to The  U.S. Census statistics..., posted by BURKE89 on Sep 22, 2002

The reason for these stats from the 1980's is that the Cambodians, Laotians, Vietnamese were uneducated refugee's from the aftermath of the Vietnam war. The Cubans were the uneducated from the Mariel Boatlift. The lack of education and English skills are why these people are/were needing public assistance.

The folks from the Former USSR were by and large religious refugees. Remember there was a large number of Pentacostal and Baptists that were allowed to leave during this period. Not to knock anybody's religion, but these folks were not the well educated nomenklatura, they were from the bottom of the society and had many children to support.

I will bet that the arrivials from the FSU after 1991 had much higher levels of education, and are adapting at a faster rate, without becoming long term dependents on the government.

[BURKE89]

... in response to Re: The  U.S. Census statistics... Refug..., posted by NW Jim on Sep 22, 2002

... these statistics are mind-boggling! Your reference to: the nomenklatura Russian elements, and the "Mariel Boatlift" are especially insightful (And yes, refugee's will need more assistance than immigrants who will assimilate...). However, the pre-1980 FSU #'s aren't that entralling either. I too, thought of analogies between: Castro's "gifts" & pre-1991 Soviet emigration.

My findings, however, have taken me down a different road on the 1980's Russian influx. I beg to differ with your analogy; concerning the composition of Russian immigrants and their Cuban counterparts. The predominate Russian immigration paths, during this time period; were of the class of Fidel's "political prisoners". The crime statistics and demographics; in Israel & the USA illuminate this premise. Not PC, yet...

Regards,

Vaughn

[davet]

... in response to The  U.S. Census statistics..., posted by BURKE89 on Sep 22, 2002

Interesting stats.  Language (or lack of it) seems to correlate with assistance -- which only makes sense in obtaining employment and assimilating into the society of a new country.

[BURKE89]

... in response to Re: The  U.S. Census statistics..., posted by davet on Sep 22, 2002

Yes, yet... Japan and Tawain throw -- "the proverbial baseball card" -- in the spokes. The Russian #'s, are worse than... In my heart of hearts; I wish for Russian equivilence on Western standards. B/C, certain cultures place men in space, and others... What, might be the best for our Republic? Other than a "bootleg" truck of Shiner, for Orange County me?
Still thirsty,
Vaughn

[BubbaGump]

... in response to The  U.S. Census statistics..., posted by BURKE89 on Sep 22, 2002

Where are we hiding all the Cambodians and Laotians?  I would think those are only legal immigrants listed.  By far it just has to be Mexicans immigrate here more than any other group.  I find them everywhere I go, not just in the border states.

[BURKE89]

... in response to I have a hard time believing those stati..., posted by BubbaGump on Sep 22, 2002

Bubba,
It wasn't based on sheer #'s, but %'s. Mexican's were however, approx. 37% of total immigration (#2 Philippines were a scant 5% of total immigration). This, obviously doesn't include the illegal migration. So, your eyes aren't decieving you. Neither; Cambodia nor Laos, were in the top 15 in total #'s.
Vaughn

[Zink]

... in response to I have a hard time believing those stati..., posted by BubbaGump on Sep 22, 2002

That's the trouble with stats. They can never be 100% accurate. Illegals aren't going to answer census questions truthfully. Are they even going to be included in a census?

[BubbaGump]

... in response to How could you have reliable statistics o..., posted by Zink on Sep 22, 2002

Our census bureau wanted to do sampling to get a better estimate of minority groups and illegal aliens but that was a politically charged.  Republicans were against it because it increases the weighting of representation in Democratic party areas and it's too open to fraud.  Estimates vary but there are supposed to be at least 8 million illegal immigrants in the US and probably more like 11 million.