Extending flame wars from other forums

[Patrick]

I've done a lot of work to make this place as troll-free as possible.  Let's please not bring in flame wars from other forums to this place.  I don't really care who said what somewhere else.  Repspond on the forum where the fight exists instead of doing it here please.

Thanks,  Patrick

[BrianN]

... in response to Extending flame wars from other forums, posted by Patrick on Aug 19, 2002

Maybe it might be a good thing to keep my hostile posts off this board, but imagine this pat.

Some dude comes up to you and says he rated your wife less, in his previous experience and she somehow settled for someone less... ie,you.

You don't knock him out but you walk away and ignore him in disgust.

May as well have given him a license to do it again.  

He comes back... does it again, and you decide to let it go, and go, and go... all because you're a healthy thinking gentleman about everything.  What's worse?  Me going after LP directly on this board because I think he really IS a chicken butt and would never use these words to my face, (or anyone else's for that matter - out of fear of getting his butt kicked), or leaving the rude and totally inappropriate remarks to roast in the archives just because Mark's a nice guy and will let it slide?

If it was Mark doing the complaining and firestorming, I'm sure you might consider removing these comments from the thread.  After all you're a real good guy.  You think a LOT before you open your mouth and you've got a lot of experience doing it.  But at what point do you decide to draw the line?

When he goes after YOUR wife?  

It makes me sick how everybody (you MEN??) sit on the sidelines while these ex-somewhat-respected-turned trolls can take cheap potshots at someones woman.

I wonder what it would be like if it was LP -vs- Oscar, or LP -vs- Jack directly using the same exact circumstances.  Maybe LP -vs- Pat (hey man, I rated your wife lower and look what she settled for?)  Now those would be a couple of serious firefights, and very interesting to watch.  Where are your morals and ethics in this?  I could give a crap less about somebody else's old lady, but if in a crowd, in person... somebody went after a bud's woman in the way like LP has done here... there would be hell to pay. And it wouldn't be pretty either -

And it wouldn't take THE man that was so offended to make the first step to teaching this jerk a lesson, I'd do it myself.  Like teaching saddamy husseiny a lesson by proxy.  I don't need no recognition to do it either. I'd just be dam sure he knew he was out of line and put him in a place where he'd be REAL sure NEVER to go AGAIN!  So, I'll keep civil in all of this knowing that if I go off on this ahem... poster the way that he deserves, that my posts will get deleted.. what the heck, all of his I think a certain's man's fiance sucks posts are still up.. and he's still playing the "rock his world" game too.  

All because you let it lay...

You let it lay, but in the end, who is hurt?

Before my previous thread was deleted, my credibility was questioned.

Now.... where is the credibility for this board?  It's in the toilet Patrick.

Where... are the real men?  Men who don't let maggot infested posts, and maggot posters go on to infect others relationships (and thoughts) just for their own benefit? (why because lp's some ragged tough boy?).

Where, are the men who stand up and be counted, and aren't afraid to let it sling when it calls for it? Being calm and logical Mr Rogers ain't a bad idea sometimes, but standing around being a scared McFly is NOT the way to be.

Wayne said it below very well... that he wouldn't WRITE anything on the board that he wouldn't SAY in person.  I also follow that belief, and if anybody thinks that a certain poster would have the balls to say something like that to MY face, has another thing coming.  What the hell is wrong with you guys anyway?

Get a bunch of women under this same situation and it would be on CNN!  But oh, here... oh dear, it's only some other dude's woman... we'll just hide from this and let them settle it.... I hope he don't know my woman too!

Whew!  I'm safe!  There is a God and I can maintain my credibility with the rest of the men who weren't targeted by him!  But oh look!  Spyke's made another idiot post and got past the troll filter!  Let's go get'em!

Yeah right, makes sense to me.

[Patrick]

... in response to Re: Extending flame wars from other foru..., posted by BrianN on Aug 20, 2002

My post was not referring to your now-deleted thread.  That was simply nipping a new flame war in the bud.  What I'm referring to are the several posts recently that were extensions of flame wars on other forums.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: Re: Extending flame wars from other ..., posted by Patrick on Aug 21, 2002

I know that.  I only put it here so that it might rate a little more attention than a single thread on its own.

Read the last paragraph of the hmmm post below, and you'll get my point.

(besides, i could care less about flame wars from other boards)

thanx.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Re: Extending flame wars from other foru..., posted by BrianN on Aug 20, 2002

First off, although Patrick deleted your thread, I don't think it was what he was referring to. He was referring to the other stuff talking about comments made on other boards, etc.

As for me being Mr. Nice-Guy (smile) if my friends and family could only hear that!

Fact is, I stopped reading anything that had LP's name on it some time ago. If he is saying things about me and my soon-to-be wife, I'm not being Mr. Nice-Guy, I'm not even hearing it...

I do agree with you... I think he is a chicken, low-life who is just a small-minded board terorist, and who enjoys the "notoriety" that he has with a few of the old-time stalwarts. I am also surprised and disappointed that the "old guard" give him a free pass and laugh off anything he says saying: "Oh... that's LP... but he has made some good posts in the past!"

The whole "I met your wife before you" was either a misunderstanding or a lie. I can't tell which because the last thing I ever read from him, he was back-peddleing and rephrasing so fast I couldn't even tell what he was implying anymore... The guy has more turns than a snake...

It is worth noting that the things he says are identical to everything Claire says:

"You guys are losers" (except he adds: "Meaning, not as good as me.")

"She is only after you for the green card."

"Your marriage is going to fail."

If someone else showed up saying what LP does, they would quickly be branded a troll, and then banned from the board.

I see no difference between LP and Claire, except for the fact that LP went over, and Claire did not. (However, if Jack is right, Claire DOES have some knowledge of this since apparently her Dad went over...)

The fact that LP brought over a lady on a fiance Visa and then didn't marry her hardly makes him an expert in my mind...

But, Brian, if everyone just ignored him except his adoring fans, then he would eventually shrink into the small side-show that he deserves to be...

[LP]

... in response to Mr. Nice-Guy, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 20, 2002

.....Does my soul good to see my handle invoke such abuse by so tiny a minority. Quite a waste of emotional engery. Hmmm, wonder what that says about them? I'm seldom here because, as Dan states, the board has some seriously screwed up people at present and I don't have the need to make love to my PC these days. Its still a hoot to read when I get to it though.

My Man Stan: I give up on ya. A few months does not a succees make. How many times do you need to hear that? Any moron can roll the dice and marry a girl in one trip. Jeesh, I've had longer shack ups than you've had marriages, talk to us in 5 years. Sorry, I forgot, you just "knew" she was "the one". No offense, but didn't ya think that about your first wife also? And after you knew her for some time?? Btw, my situation is great, thanks. What part of my privacy policy didn't you understand?

Hey Pansy ManinTX: I've never resorted to the level you have and I've been quite restrained regarding you. I could've proven my claim (not what you think) in a heartbeat, but that would have been wrong since my intent was never what you or Brian assumed. Btw, "It never happened because she says so"...lol, yer killin me! Hey, hows the petition coming, heard anything yet? How many Marks with Vikas from Kherson can there be around DFW? One other thing: Its LearJet, one word, and I don't operate them any longer. Was only part time while I flew the heavy iron, hows life in sales coming along these days? No house? What a shame! Mine's paid for, ask APK what its likely worth. (Oops, I forgot, you ain't readin this. ;-)

Weenier:... Man!! You be one seriously messed up in the head dude! Reading your stuff is tantamount to being strangled. Nuff said...

Brian: Lol, I'm callin ya out Earp. Email me (L39driver@hotmail.com) and I'll tell ya sumthin that yer pal the Pansy Man will just love! Then we'll see how much he huffs and puffs. And hey, cut down on the caffine will ya?

Yep, its true. I brought a nice gal here and then deported her azz back to the FSU before 90 days because the local pickins turned out to be superior. (Beats the import any day, I might add.) My "thanks" to the trusted individual who leaked that. Not a problem though, she makes a great buck and even speaks three lanquages, including English. Been vacationing a lot with her, great fun. Btw Pansey ManinTX, did I mention us Gods travel for free? Lol...Some got it, some don't. (And never will.)

Hey Patrick, why don't you give these guys their wish? After all, ain't much value in this post eh? ;-)

Now have at it boyz, I'm expecting better than what I've been reading. The rest of you, good luck. I've no quarrel with any of you. As for my pals above, I take no pleasure in the demise of other men.....usually.

[BrianN]

... in response to lol, I'm so misunderstood......, posted by LP on Aug 22, 2002

I hate your freakin guts you jerk...  cause all you do is make me laugh.

I sit here and shake my head back and forth wondering WTF is your sorry lame butt doing posting here.  After all, I'm the lone caffeine infested blowhard troll here in my own right.

Tell you what, I don't care who you know, or whether you're president clintons' butt buddy and you got his babe or what, but you owe the MarkINTX an apology.  A public one too.  Nobody needs to know anything of your exploits with fsu women, or that you even been there.

Being a Man has nothing to do with "telling folks"... anything.  It's simply doing the right thing.  Even if you do know what you think you do... being a "blowhard" about it by trying to trip up a sincere dude is only going to get you in trouble with your gang there mister qb.

As time goes on, and your self-fulfilling prophecy goes on... to fill some well meaning dude with certain doubt helps whom?  Who does it help?

Who has benefited by your posts?  Anyone?  You?

Answer these questions directly and I'll leave your sorry ass alone.

WHO has benefited from your posts?  And who will?

Step up to the plate.

[Dan]

... in response to you rat bastard - the board dominating b..., posted by BrianN on Aug 22, 2002

And I, for one, have benefitted greatly from LP's posts - as would anyone that wishes to take the time to read and understand them. I am, of course, not referring to his responses to attacks.

Like it or not, LP has a keen and insightful mind. He is certainly the most analytic - and probably one of the most intelligent posters ever appearing on this board.

The fact that he has clashed with certain personality types should not come as a surprise. It comes with the territory.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Get it Right - That Was "loudmouthe..., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002

I've heard Greg say the same thing you have. And my question to him, and to you, was the same:

1. "Which post helped you?"

2. "And How?"

If you mean that he made some posts that made you chuckle, then, OK... say so. That's not really the same thing as helpful, though. Is it?

The Fact is that LP has become the equivalent of a board "pratfall".

But no one has told me about that one insightful post that LP made that really made a difference.

And that's amazing to me... because like I said before, even though I generally don't get where WSBill is coming from... if someone ever asked me: "Name one post WSBill has ever made that was insightful or helpful" I could... and that's without fervently searching the archives. That also goes for you... for KenC... for Jack... and, yes, even for Oscar. (Almost everybody)

But not for LP. Everyone SAYS he "used" to make good posts (even you must agree that in the past several months his posts have been lame attacks, and nothing more... or did you find the post where he lied and claimed to have slept with my fiance helpful to you???) But no one can seem to remember what those good posts were... The archives go back to October of 2001. Do you think you could find a useful post from LP in there? I doubt it...

Greg has never answered my question. He simply keeps lamely saying: "Well.. there was some good ones..."

No one can tell me "When," or "what," though.

And I find that silence deafening...

[Dan]

... in response to Two questions Dan...?, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

You have been on the board for a bit over a year. LP (and a few others) have been here for approximately 3 years.

LP has offered some of the most analytical pieces ever presented on this board. He has described his thought/selection processes in great and gory detail. I do not always agree with LP - but I most certainly appreciate the logic and effort he has put into the the endeavor.

LP has been particularly pointed in his cautions to others. While some have lately berated him over his comments towards StanB - the facts are that no-one on this board (including Stan, I should point out) would consider it responsible advice to follow Stan's model for finding a bride. Wouldn't you agree? The fact that LP is a bit brusque and apparently insensitive in his comments and it led to a major 'flap' between them should not dismiss the fact that Stan's method is logically-unsound and is highly-risky and it follows that it is among the less intelligent approaches. Admittedly, the heart is not always logical nor risk-averse nor intelligent - and that is the point that LP tried to make. For the newbie reading the board - DON'T DO IT STAN'S WAY - and LP said it loud and clear.

With respect Mark - I am certainly not going to go digging back through the archives to find one of LP's posts that you might, or might not, find of value. It just isn't worth my time and I don't have the interest.

If you do not, or cannot, find any of LP's comments of value - so be it. Candidly, that is your loss.

Having said that, I do certainly recognize that you have become a target of LP's - and I attribute it to your own making. I do not believe that LP made the specific accusation you interpreted - but then again, I was not the target, so it is easier for me to step aside and not feel the brunt of LP's venom.

I also believe I have some insights into LP and his character than most on this board. I admire the guy. If that meets with the displeasure of people on this board - I really don't care.

Again quite candidly, I don't believe that anything I write here is going to change your view of LP. For that reason (principally), I won't bother to spend any more time responding to your questions on the topic.

As I said, it just isn't worth my time - and I lack sufficient interest (inspiration ?) to make the effort.

- Dan

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Not Surprising . . ., posted by Dan on Aug 22, 2002

It was a year and a half ago that I went to Russia for the first time. Remember???

And, I was reading the board months before that. So, I'm not the newbie you seem to think I am...

So I saw LP back when he was actively involved in his pursuit. I read his "Logical" posts. (That was a VERY long time ago... wasn't it?)

Big, fat, hairy deal. I wasn't impressed by this "dazzling intellect" that has you and Greg swooning. And, believe me, it was nothing that should give him a free pass on the sh!t he's been spewing for the past year and a half, and if you are too blinded by your "admiration" to understand it then, "so be it. Candidly, that is your loss..."

(BTW, Claire had some thought-provoking posts, too... Why not let her back???)

The fact is that LP's attack on Stan is just mean.

Stan's posts were never saying: "Hey guys, do it MY way!" but rather: "I have met a wonderful woman and I am really happy!"

To berate a man for happiness is neither insightful, nor logical, it's just mean.

And the fact that LP can't admit that he has made a mistake makes him even less of a man.

As for me being a "target due to my own making..." Yeah, I guess you're right. I had the audacity to find a woman and be happy about it -- that seems to be all it takes to make you LP's target.

In his post that was the last straw for me, he berated me for behaving like a stupid school-boy, and made his "Star Trek" innuendo to claim that he had been with my woman before I was, and that she was only settling for me because she couldn't have him. (And yes, that was exactly what he was implying Dan... Even Greg admits that...)

Before that I hadn't said a thing to him or about him. (I thought he was gone, like he claimed he was going to do -- like he continually threatens to do...)

His attack was unprovoked -- unless you count the fact that I was happy as being provocative.

So don't hand me any crap about how he only attacks back... only defends himself... and that I am a target because of something I said or did.

With "all due respect" that's a load of garbage from one of his staunchest apologists, and nothing more.

BTW... what did Stan ever say to him to warrant the attacks on him?

At the end of the day, this is the summation of LP:

A man who had tremendous opportunity to go to the FSU, since he flies virtually for free.

He went several times, and after all of his wonderful logic and dazzling intellect... brought back a woman whom he didn't even marry. (I'm sure he'll say that was his choice... hmmm... wonder what SHE would say, eh? Hell she could have been from Bosnia, and wanted to return home after a few weeks with that pathetic whiner...)

He then settles for some poor AW who is impressed by all of his mid-life crisis shenanigans, and who hasn't figured out yet that she doesn't have to settle for a bitter 50 something year old man to get the nicer things in life (but she will... she will...)

So, having FAILED he now wants to sit on the sidelines and take potshots at those who are succeeding where he failed, because it makes him feel better about his inability to do it.

And yes, you must call it a failure. A man who had the opportunity that he had to go over, and was unable to find a woman to marry him and live with him -- and then quit -- is a failure.

Plain and simple. You can't spin it any other way.

He tried to do what Stan did. Stan succeeded and LP failed.

No wonder he hates Stan so badly.

Every blissful day that goes by in Maui is a reminder that Stan succeeded where LP failed.

So... after all of this brilliant strategy and intellect LP FAILED!!!

He took his best shot and FAILED.

So, why should ANYONE on this board even care what he says?

He's just a loser who had to settle for an AW because he was unable to make it work with a lady from the FSU.

End of story.

[Jack]

... in response to Actually, it's been over 2 years now, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

You must be kidding, "Let Claire back"?

Noooooo way! After busting her as posting really nasty, demeaning remarks as Leo, MarkH, Greg, Jack Bragg, Karl (see a pattern here), Belzak, Kevin, Jim, Roberto, James, Donald, Vinnie, Victoria, Monique, Sharon, to name a few, we would be crazy to suggest that mooooooo cow be able to post here. He11, she tried posting here two weeks ago as KingC but was nabbed 30 seconds after she posted!

No way, anyone that sick, with that much hatred for Russian women and the men who pursue those women, this is the wrong board for such a scum bag.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo, posted by Jack on Aug 22, 2002


Ummm... I was just being facetious, actually...

I'm glad that Patrick's policy of "No Trolls" seems to be working...

[Jack]

... in response to Re: NOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooo, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 22, 2002

I know, just trying to get you two off the subject you were on.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to No more mooo-mooo, posted by Jack on Aug 22, 2002

Thanks... But I think we've talked each other out on it