Note On The Rumble Below

[paul21]

... in response to Note On The Rumble Below, posted by tim360z on Aug 14, 2002

I think the mistake Mark H made was taking this girl to an expensive restaurant, this was an initial meeting, and an initial meeting is just that, a first meeting.  The first meeting should have taken place over coffee, or a stroll in the park, with you, the girl and the translator. I think this girl wanted to see Mark H for a second date, obviously not because she was genuinely interested, but she wanted another expensive dinner, and nothing more.  He made the right choice by not seeing her again; therefore, not wasting another dime on her. If this girl isnt a scammer, she definitely has the potential to become one. I side with Mark H on this one, if what he says is true, she's in it for the money and as much as she can get.

[MarkInTx]

... in response to Note On The Rumble Below, posted by tim360z on Aug 14, 2002

Well, I already commented on this before, so I left it alone this time.

I think that the word scammer is over-used.

To me there is a huge difference between someone who is insincere, and someone who is a scammer.

As MarkH said, I also wrote to Milena. Is she sincere? Hmmm... I never met her, but she was a little wacko in some of her emails. (IMHO)

I had a falling out with her via email, and it DID seem to me that she was having a pretty good time dating, if you know what I mean...

She also seemed to me to be pretty immature. (But then again, she is also very young...)

In the end, I thought she was immature and insincere... but I didn't think she was a scammer.

She was just a pretty young girl who was enjoying all of the attention, and I don't think she was very interested in making it stop any time soon.

I don't think that is the same as a scammer.

The only thing in MarkH's long diatribe that smacked of a scammer was when she said that she couldn't leave, but could marry him, and have him support her while she lived in Ukraine. That does sound like a scammer, I have to admit...

But, then again, she never said anything like that to me...

[Turner]

... in response to Re: Note On The Rumble Below, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 14, 2002

One man's "scammer" is another man's wife.
I have seen the most frigid, disinterested woman with one guy be the most affectionate outgoing woman with the next guy.
Mark's girl (sic) sounds like a typical young girl in the FSU that is getting a lot of attention and is too immature to handle it properly. But at this point she doesn't sound like a "scammer". More like what I like to call a "party girl"

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: Note On The Rumble Below, posted by MarkInTx on Aug 14, 2002

This is I'll bet, one of those things where a really popular chick gets wined and dined by the best to the best places, and because there's always another one just begging to go out with her... that she assumes that it can be party time for her 24/7 and goes along for the ride.

Her fault?  Not likely.  It's the men that've been feeding her 100.00 meals and expecting to get a wife out of the deal.

Doesn't make her a scammer, but heck, if I gave my kids candy every time they wanted it, the next thing I'll be doing is buying them a new car everytime they got a small scratch in the paint.

Everybody gotta be big boyz about this, and I literally believe that men get what they pay for (out of the wallet that is); more bills.

(What the hey, if I had a rich women knocking down the doors to take me out all the time, why get married and ruin the gravy train?  But I don't, so I grovel... lol!)

[WmGo]

... in response to Creature of habit issue perhaps?, posted by BrianN on Aug 14, 2002

There is a lot of truth to Western men creating the proverbial Frankenstein monster. Still, there is no excuse because everyone knows right from wrong, even the young "party girl"

Just my thoughts.

[greg2]

... in response to Creature of habit issue perhaps?, posted by BrianN on Aug 14, 2002

My take, is a considerate woman would not ask you to take her to an expensive restaurant for an introductory meeting regardless of whether she thinks she can get away with it or not. Her interest should be in meeting you and not where you take her to eat.

At the time, Mark H did not have that type of money. Did she ask him if he could afford such prior? I do not remember if such conversation existed - but, for some reason I doubt that it did. She used him plain and simple. The fact that she told him that he could marry her and support her for two years is a crock. I see no reason for Mark to make this up. However, this does not make her a scammer as I would define the term but, I would not be happy with this lady. So, I agree and disagree with Mark in the same breath. It is just a mater of definition. This lady is simply using the system for the mileage that it can give her. I would agree that if the right guy comes along - she might prove to be a wonderful lady to that man.

Jack, in retrospect probably should not have asked the lady to meet Mark as a favor. It would be better for Jack, if he or other agency owner's even could have control of such to have their staff discourage expensive first dates unless the man insists.

Mark's story of that dinner date (I remember well from the initial post) allowed me to come to a conclusion for myself. That conclusion was that if a lady requested that I take her somewhere special to eat as an introductory meeting, I would cancel on her choosing to assume she is playing guys if the place was expensive. I say this because again, it is my opinion that a considerate woman would not do this plain and simple.

There are too many women over there to have to deal with that crap. It is not the money - it is the principle of it.

[tim360z]

... in response to Creature of habit issue perhaps?, posted by BrianN on Aug 14, 2002

....a very good point Brian.  In many ways it is the men standing in line to wine and dine and buy gifts etc which creates this conundrum.  I have had dinner,  like 2 hours with USA girls who are great looking girls and know it and know that there is an endless stream of guys wanting their attention.  Thats life.  But to call that a scam is inaccurate...