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Author Topic: How long does the typical RW marriage last?  (Read 22913 times)
tim360z
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« Reply #30 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002

as you would for an appliance.  Ggggeeezzz! Good luck
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002


How long does the "Typical" marriage last to an AW?

Everything varies.

Marrying an RW is no guarantee of anything, if that's what you're looking for.

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Griffin
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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002

n/t
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Jack
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002

Hello KingC,

 I hope you will excuse my bluntness but one of your questions cause me to raise my eyebrow a bit. The question (with a statement from you rolled into it).......Russian women seem beautiful, well educated, and not incredibly picky (as compared to American women who are very beautiful and intelligent) about who they marry.

 KingC, saying Russian women do not seem picky about who they marry and American women who are beautiful and intelligent is not usually the type of thing most sincere guys pursuing a Russian bride would say. Most men who feel that American women are intelligent and beautiful would not be looking for a Russian woman, don't you agree?

 Tell you what KingC, I would love to buy you a beer, treat you to lunch, how about the Traildust Steakhouse on Walnut Hill, not far from you in Irving, I am just about 10 minutes from you in Carrollton. It would be my treat. You got time for lunch? I can answer a lot of these questions for you.

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WmGo
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by Jack on Jul 30, 2002

It is funny -  and interesting, how at the beginning of such an endevour one convinces himself that it is as easy as going to the supermarket and picking out the most appealing head of lettuce. So true, these ladies are real life human beings with their own preferences and desires in a man. Yes, they *are* picky, just in a way different than AW.
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Philb
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« Reply #35 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by Jack on Jul 30, 2002

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KingC
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« Reply #36 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How long does the typical RW marriage la..., posted by Jack on Jul 30, 2002

Re:  "KingC, saying Russian women do not seem picky about who they marry and American women who are beautiful and intelligent is not usually the type of thing most sincere guys pursuing a Russian bride would say. Most men who feel that American women are intelligent and beautiful would not be looking for a Russian woman, don't you agree?"


Let me try to clarify this.  Lets say your are a single guy in your early or mid 30s, honest and hardworking, not rich but middle to upper middle class; however, women don't exactly flock to you and you have had some bad relationships and experiences with women.  Lets also say that you want to marry a woman who 7-10 years younger than you, who is great looking (i.e. tall with great figure) but also well educated and intelligent (college degree).  This is your dream girl!  On top of all this, you would like her to sign a prenuptial because you don't want to take your chances.  What's the probability that you will find an AW like this?  It seems to me it is very low.  Also, lets consider that you are well traveled and like other cultures and even have some good non-American friends.

What I described above is more or less the situation that I'm in now (actually will be in a few years, I plan ahead).  I would like to know if the single guy I described above fits the typical profile of a man seeking an RW.  Be honest with me let me know.  I will appreciate your insight.

I apprecaite your offer for lunch; however, I'm very busy right now.  Perhaps we can get together in the future.  Thanks.

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BarryM
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« Reply #37 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: How long does the typical RW marriag..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002

IF you are an heir to a family business or partially own a business with partners, you probably need a prenup. If you have children you want to pass on assets to in the case of your death, you probably need a prenup because some state probate laws give the state to the surviving spouse.

Texas is a community property state and in most cases, any assets you accumulate during your marriage will be split evenly. A prenup is not a get out of a marriage free card, nor will it ever be.

You should take Jack up on his lunch offer if you're serious about finding a RW/UW.

-blm

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KingC
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« Reply #38 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to You don't need a prenup..., posted by BarryM on Jul 30, 2002

Thanks for response BarryM.  Jack seems like a nice and erudite fellow.  At this point I'm just trying if a RW would be right for me and I'm not real serious.
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BarryM
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« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: You don't need a prenup..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002

I lifted this article off of a RWA board post. It has clarity and may give you a good reason to choose RW/UW.

-blm

The following is an article written by an American woman regarding the sad state of Black AW's prospects in the dating game. I do feel this article DO apply virtually to MOST AW, not only black.

"Why Are Black Women Scaring Off Their Men?
A Fighting Spirit Is Important-But Not At Home"

The Washington Post
By: Joy Jones

Have you met this woman? She has a good job, works hard, earns a good salary. She went to college, got her master's degree; she is intelligent.

She is personable, articulate, well-read, interested in everybody and everything. Yet, she's single. Or maybe you know this one. Active in the church. Faithful, committed. Sings in the choir, serves on the usher board, attends every committee meeting. Loves the Lord and knows the Word. You'd think that with her command of the Scriptures and the respect of her church members, she'd have a marriage as solid as a rock. But again, no husband.

Or perhaps you recognize the community activist. She's a black lady-or as she prefers, an African American woman-on the move. She sports a short natural, sometimes cornrow braids, or even dreadlocks. She's an organizer, a motivator, a dynamo. Her work for her people Speaks for itself-organizing women for a self-help collective, raising funds for a community cause, educating others around a new issue in South Africa. Black folks look up to her, and white folks know she's a force to be reckoned with. Yet once again, the men leave her alone.

What do these women have in common? They have so much; what is it they lack? Why is it they may be able to hook a man but can't hold him? The women puzzle over this quandary themselves. They gather at professional clubs, at sorority meetings or over coffee at the office and wonder what's wrong with black men. They hold special prayer vigils and fast and pray and beg Jesus to send the men back to church. They find the brothers attending political strategizing sessions or participating in protests, but when it comes time to go home, the brothers go home to someone else.

I know these women because I am all of these women. And after asking over and over again "What's wrong with these men?", it finally dawned on me to ask the question, "What's wrong with us women?" What I have found, and what many of these women have yet to discover, is that the skills that make one successful in the church, community or workplace are not the skills that make one successful in a relationship.

Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action assist one in getting assignments done,in organizing church or club activities or in positioning oneself for a raise, but relationship-building requires different skills. It requires making decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place.

Maintaining a harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to win. In too many cases, when dealing with men, you will have to sacrifice being right in order to enjoy being loved.

Being acknowledged as the head of the household is an especially important thing for many black men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so committed to the cause, to the church, to career-or their narrow concepts of same-that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man" message. So they end up without one. An interested man may be attracted but he soon discovers that this sister makes very little space for him in her life. Going to graduate school is a good goal and an option that previous generations of blacks have not had. But sometimes the achieving woman will place her boyfriend so low on her list of priorities that his interest wanes. Between work, school and homework, she's seldom "there" for him, for the preliminaries that might develop a commitment to a woman. She's too busy to prepare him a home-cooked meal or to be a listening ear for his concerns because she is so occupied with her own. Soon he uses her only for uncommitted sex since-to him-she appears unavailable for anything else. Blind to the part she's playing in the problem, she ends up thinking, "Men only want one thing." And she decides she's better off with the degree than the friendship. When she's 45, she may wish she'd set different priorities while she was younger. It's not just the busy career girl who can't see the forest for the trees.

A couple I know were having marital troubles. During one argument, the husband confronted the wife and asked what she thought they should do about the marriage, what direction they should take. She reached for her Bible and turned to Ephesians. "I know what Paul says and I know what Jesus says about marriage," he told her, "What do you say about our marriage?" Dumbfounded, she could not say anything. Like so many of us, she could recite the Scriptures but could not apply them to everyday living. Before the year was out, the husband had filed for divorce.

Women who focus on civil rights or community activism have vigorous, fighting spirits and are prepared to do whatever, whenever, to benefit black people. That's good. That's necessary. But it needs to be kept in perspective. It's too easy to save the world and lose your man.

A fighting spirit is important on the battlefield, but a gentler spirit is wanted on the homefront. Too many women are winning the battle and losing the home. Sometimes in our determined efforts to be strong believers and hard workers, we contemporary women downplay, denigrate or simply forget our more traditional feminine attributes. Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side they dare not show to other men. A hard-working woman is good to have on your committee. But when a man goes home, he'd prefer a loving partner to a hard worker.

It's not an easy transition for the modern black woman to make. It sounds submissive, reactionary, outmoded, oppressive. We have fought so hard for so many things, and rightfully so. We have known so many acknowledged as the head of men who were shaky, jive and untrustworthy. Yet we must admit that we are shaky, jive and willful in our own ways. Not having a husband allows us to do whatever we want, when and how we want to do it. Having one means we have to share the power and certain points will have to be surrendered. We are terrified of marriage and commitment-yet dread the prospect of being single and alone. Throwing ourselves into work seems to fill the void without posing a threat. But like any other drug, the escape eventually becomes the cage.

To make the break, we need to do less and "be" more. I am learning to "be still and know," to be trusting. I am learning to stop competing with black men and to collaborate with them, to temper my assertive and aggressive energy with softness and serenity. I'm not preaching a philosophy of "women be seen and not heard." But I have come to realize that I-and many of my smart and independent sisters-are out of touch with our feminine center and therefore out of touch with our men. About a year ago, I was at an oldies-but-goodies club. As a Washingtonian, I love to do the bop and to hand-dance-styles that were popular when I was a teen. In those dances, the man has his set of steps and the woman has hers, but the couple is still two partners and must move together. On this evening, I was sitting out a record when a thought came to me. If a man were to say, "I'm going to be in charge and you're going to follow. I want you to adjust your ways to fit in with mine"-I'd dismiss him as a Neanderthal. With my hand on my hip, I'd tell him that I have just as much sense as he does and that he can't tell me what to do. Yet, on the dance floor, I love following a man's lead. I don't feel inferior because my part is different from his, and I don't feel I have to prove that I'm just as able to lead as he is. I simply allow him to take my hand, and I go with the flow. I am still single. I am over 30 and scared. I am still a member of my church, have no plans to quit my good government job and will continue to do what I can for my people. I think that I have a healthy relationship with a good man. But today, I know that I have to bring some of that spirit of the dance into my relationship.

Dancing solo-I've mastered that. Now I'm learning how to accept his lead, and to go with the flow.

Joy Jones is an administrator with D.C. public schools.

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #40 on: July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to An article..., posted by BarryM on Jul 31, 2002

This really captures the dilemma faced by today's American Woman...

You are right, this could be a white woman as easily as a black one... it is a common malady...

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MarkInTx
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« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: You don't need a prenup..., posted by KingC on Jul 30, 2002


If you're not serious then why waste everyone's time?

If you won't meet with jack -- someone who knows A LOT about the process (especially when he even offers to pick up the tab!) then you're really not serious enough to be wasting anyone's time here with insipid questions, are ya?

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Dan
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« Reply #42 on: July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Re: You don't need a prenup..., posted by MarkInTx on Jul 30, 2002

And accusation of being "insipid" aren't the sort of balanced response that would allow a person to determine whether or not this pursuit holds appeal for him.

I, for one, would far rather have someone come on this board and ask seemingly "insipid" questions - so that they 'qualify' this process first -  before blindly launching into the pursuit and getting some poor girl (or girls) all caught up in the excitement of possibly meeting some guy that turns out to be an insensitive and insincere boor.

Give the guy a break Mark.

- Dan

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thesearch
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« Reply #43 on: August 01, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to We All Have to Start Somewhere . . ., posted by Dan on Jul 31, 2002

asd
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Charles
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« Reply #44 on: July 31, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to We All Have to Start Somewhere . . ., posted by Dan on Jul 31, 2002

I agree, Dan.  The only good questions are the ones that aren't asked.  He says he's looking for information to see whether it's worth pursuing and while I wholeheartedly agree with those who say he is making a mistake in not meeting Jack, I can't fault the guy for asking questions to decide whether this is something he wants to delve into further.  If he "interested", i.e., keeps posting,  after what he has read the last couple of days, and still doesn't contact Jack, then the Spideys may be correct.
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