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Author Topic: Is traditional family is in minority in US?  (Read 3704 times)
Viktoriya
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« on: July 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

Hello everybody,
I just saw a TV programm on local Fox10 channel "Inside edition".  I like to watch it.
It was an episode today about single American moms with children who unite and live together to make it easier to raise a family. Also it was told that  the traditional family model  with mother , father and two kids is in minority now.Do you believe this? I have  a hard time to believe it. I saw a lot of traditional families here.(HuhHuh?) I don't know.

What do you think about this?
Viktoriya.

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Viktoriya
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« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Is traditional family is in minority in ..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 24, 2002

Thank you gentelmen for your responces.  I agree with you that it didn't sound right. Maybe there is some kind of   tendency but I would not say that traditional family is  in minority anyway.    I think that   incomplete families  are  not good enviroment for raising kids.
What do you think of  epidemic in US of abducting  children? Why it's happening?
I am originally from Ukraine and never heard about  such causes  back in Ukraine.
I am very concerned about this because someday  I what to be a mother.
Thank you,
Viktoriya.
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BubbaGump
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to thank you for your responces very much.I..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 26, 2002

I haven't read any statistics about child abductions but I think it is not very common.  Most children are abducted by the mother or father in a divorce situation.  I think the next most common situation would be men abducting children for sex then killing them.  Children also run away from home and then later become abducted at a bus station or public park where men are waiting for them.  My post office wall in Arizona is covered with posters of missing children but I've never know any person to have their child abducted.  

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BubbaGump
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Is traditional family is in minority in ..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 24, 2002

In black families for example more than 70% of children are born out of wedlock, so they are no longer what we would consider traditional families with 2 parents.  Blacks make up just over 12% of the US population.

White people are about 72% of the US population more than 30% of white children are born out of wedlock.  I do not know the percentage of whites that are married with children but I think the number is 40% to 50%.  A family with higher income is more likely to be a traditional family because intact families make more money and have more traditional values.  If the traditional family is on the decline, it is mainly due to people having fewer children and not getting married.  The percentage of men that are unmarried has not been this high in the last 100 years.  The marriage rate was also low during the great depression.  It has become more difficult for a man in the US to find a marriage minded woman and that is one of many reasons more men are looking overseas.  

If you are a married woman with kids your activities would tend to put you around more married couples so to you it would seem like most people were in traditional families.

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Robert D
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to It varies with race and other things, posted by BubbaGump on Jul 25, 2002

Well to clear things up.    I think it more has to do with rural verses urban.   Blacks and non Blacks tend to have more traditional family units in rural america than urban america.  As for professionals, it seems more single white women are likely to be single mom's by choice.   In part because they now earn in most cases as much as men.   Many put off marriage for career reasons and after 35 or later find finding right man difficult(or so they say)  Most of the single mom's I know are white.  But there are many unwed single Black women that are mostly poor, and poorly educated.  There are lots of reasons they have children out of wedlock, too many to mention here.   I have a feeling the show she saw in TV did not mention those people.  
 One last thought, many professional woman also divorce, and end up with the kids.   I do not know the stats but it would seem divorce rates in this country among professional appears rather high.  Of the professional men that I know that are divorced they seem to fall into two catagories.   One those with lots of buck, Dr. lawyers, etc.   Once they make the bucks they start looking for younger woman to have affairs with and some marry them.   (many are jerks)
The other group are hard working under 100k guys who get divorced often because their wives want more and more and they work harder and harder spending less and less time at home with each other and the kids.   Wife sees gold diggers getting the weathier men to leave their wives and she wants more.    So they divorce.

One last thing, I do not think the African American population is 12 percent of the US.  It is more like 9 percent as I recall.

Robert D.

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BubbaGump
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« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: It varies with race and other things, posted by Robert D on Jul 26, 2002

Your point about the difference between rural versus urban is not obvious but I expect very valid.  

The percentage of the US population that is black was 12.3% in 2000.  The black population is pretty high throughout the south (more than 30% in most southern states) so people in other parts of the US would not think it was so high judging from their states.  The black population isn't high in any western state that I know of.  

I think that her point about traditional families being in the minority has become true in the last few years.  There are lots of unmarried people and a lot of divorced people now. I see professional women postponing marriage and families but they can only do that for so long before it's too late.  They have to miss what they gave up for their careers.  It's been bothering me.  My career became very unstable during my 30s when I was wanting to get married and so I never remarried because I always thought my career would come crashing down.  I'm changing my priorities now and to hell with the career.  

http://www.census.gov/population/cen2000/phc-t1/tab03.pdf

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Bobby Orr
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No
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Is traditional family is in minority in ..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 24, 2002

I believe more white families in the US are traditional than not.  When you include minorities the numbers go down.
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MarkInTx
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to No, posted by Bobby Orr on Jul 24, 2002

I think that the hispanic community is probably much more family oriented than the white community.

I also think that Asians would tend to be much more family oriented.

So, I do not think that the "white families" are the bastion of traditional family values anymore...

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Ryan
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Is traditional family is in minority in ..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 24, 2002

Mark has a good point and this reminds me of a story about the nearby town Detroit.  Back in the early 80’s during Halloween, and the day before, Devils night, people used to burn this town to the ground and vandalize the town like crazy.  The news medial used to have a hay day reporting on how many fires there were and all the destruction; it was a big story reporting thousands of fires and such.  Today these fires and vandalize homes and buildings are non-existent during these holidays but we get no news about this occurrence, good news is no news.

Today there is talk about holding the Democratic nationals convention here in Detroit also the same talk about having the Super bowl here.  I for one do not see it as a good idea as the news medial would just rip this town to shreds.  They would simply report on all the bad things like road construction and no nightlife and deteriorating buildings.  The bad publicity would create a depression of sorts in this area and set back all the work we have done to promote this city 10 years or more.  The news media would be too destructive to the city.  While it would be nice to simply clean everything up and have a great city it’s just not possible to do over night.  The money from these evens would help the city but it’s just another quick fix.  I like the city of Atlanta and the only think I can remember about the Olympics was the one bad guy that had a bomb or something and the traffic problems and such.  The news medial is just too powerful.

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Mark H
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Is traditional family is in minority in ..., posted by Viktoriya on Jul 24, 2002

Viktoriya,
Remember one thing, the American "news media" (and I use that term loosely) is in the business of shocking you. THey are not interested in facts and have an agenda to promote. Here is an example.

You can have 1000 families. 990 of them will be stable, two parent families. 10 will be screwed up families, sleeping with each other, back stabbing each other, etc... The media will only portray the screwed up family and give the impression that the majority of the 1000 families are like this. When in actuality, only a small minority of the families are like this. Don't believe me? Drive to any nice neighborhood, it's full of two parent homes. Also middle class suburbia is full of two parent homes. Yes, there are alot of single moms but I think for the most part the family is doing fine in america. Yes, we have more divorces and broken homes but many of these remarry and become two parent homes.

We have a saying in america:  The squeaky wheel gets all the grease.!

See ya,
Mark

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