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Author Topic: Follow-up to Lugansk scam agency  (Read 12091 times)
Ryan
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« Reply #30 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to I'll tell ya Steve..., posted by Jack on Apr 19, 2002

prove that a scam exists?  Most of the time it is not so obvious and only a gut feeling can tell you something is not right...  The woman can change their storie a number of time in a number of ways and with the agencies help they can justify most everything...  The whole frikin thing is a scam!!!  All of it!

You know the only things that I have gotten out of my search is that I can really write some great letters now.  You should see the replies that I get from American woman now days.  They pick my letters over the rest because I am such a smooth writer...LOL   I tell you I am on a roll two years worth of writing letter and most of them I have saved.. I go back to them and take stuff out and use it again and again...  It rocks..  But as the old saying goes... 1000 letters cannot replace one meeting...

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Patrick
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« Reply #31 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How can you ever really, posted by Ryan on Apr 19, 2002

If someone goes on gut feelings, they're usually going to be making a mistake because men are generally very paranoid of being cheated and will interpret anything out of the ordinary as a scam.  I think it's pretty simple really.  If you're not being asked for money, then I wouldn't start assuming scam.

Kenman's unreasonable concern has cost him $700 because he cancelled everything and assumed he was scammed.  If I have the story straight (as supplied by people other than Kenman), he wanted an English speaking woman, but was (I assume) paying for email forwarding service through the agency with translation.  He probably had the options to either do this, or to purchase the lady's contact information and communicate directly with her (what I would recommend).  He was offered that contact information free of charge after the blow up.  Instead of verifying that his concerns were real, he went with his "gut feeling" and chose to take a $700 hit in the pocket book to "protect" himself from this (probably imagined) scam.

There was never any sick relative who needed money for a life saving operation, or any other stories fabricated to get him to send money.  He was simply dealing with a BUSINESS which does what any business must to survive- Make a profit from their work. And they most likely screwed up in translation.  Instead of communicating directly with her and trying to get an idea of whether this is REALLY a scam (for free), he seems to be choosing to back off and lose $700 based on his "gut feeling."

Men need to be concerned not only with the possibility of being scammed, but also with over-reacting to poor communication.  In this case, I believe it was a mistake with a $700 price tag, and the loss of a relationship with a potentially good woman.  For gut feelings, I recommend kaopectate.  For dealing with international romance communication issues, I recommend having a clear and level head and thinking things through logically and questioning not only the lady/agency intentions, but your own deep seated worries.

I think Kenman effectively scammed himself out of $700.  Paranoia at work.  I believe Europete falls into another category of men who commonly yell scam.  Those who have wildly out of line expectations.  Then there's plenty of guys who really were scammed like yourself with the lady you visited.  In your case, the lady was requesting money and you were sending it.  In these other cases, the only money changing hands was the ordinary charges incurred by the use of an agency.  They were simply doing business, maybe making mistakes, but I don't see much to convince myself there was a scam.

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KenMan
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« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Gut feeling or diahrea?, posted by Patrick on Apr 19, 2002

I did not lose $700. I plan on having a nice holiday in October and will be able to use my credit then. I am thinking about going to Ireland or maybe Costa Rica. Who knows maybe Ukraine again if I feel it is worth the effort? Anyways I would rather build my house. Interest rates are low and so is building costs with labor. I have the opportunity to build a custom home which I designed with a draftsman. How many people actually design and build their own home to their own needs? I am not talking a set of prints you order from a magazine. I mean from a simple doodle on paper.  Solid 3/4" Oak and Cypress floors. Solid Oak cabinets with granite countertops throughout the kitchen and bathrooms. Stainless steel appliances. Solid pine doors. Cypress plantation shutters. Marble floors with marble and bamboo walls in the bathrooms. Each with whirlpool tubs and showers. Master bedroom/bathroom has a deck over looking an acre pond. Yes, it is a river plantation home. I even have the authentic crawfish mounds in the backyard. What Lousiana river plantation home would be without them??? Walk in closets in every room. But my favorite feature is the 2300 square foot attic with a custom made attic ladder. I should never run out of storage space with that baby. No this is a once in a lifetime event. Women come and go but your friends and the dogs last forever!!!!
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Jack
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« Reply #33 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to How can you ever really, posted by Ryan on Apr 19, 2002

....is a Russian woman's loose!

Well it is good that the pursuit for a Russian bride has taught you a few things and helped you in your writing skills. With the letters you are writing, and the response you are receiving, I hope you find a wonderful, deserving American woman very soon.

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KenC
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« Reply #34 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Follow-up to Lugansk scam agency, posted by Jack on Apr 18, 2002

Jack,
Good post.  Your post kind of ties in with thesearch's post below.  The facts you have put together are also as I suspected all along.  Guys have to learn not to split liguistic hairs with people who's native language is not English.  I see far too many guys analyzing every word written by the FSU women.  They should first understand that no matter how good the woman's English is, it still is not up to our standards.  God help the woman that has to use an interprtors "version" of what was initially said.  Anything that seems "out of whack", ask questions, but do not jump to conclusions.  It all seems like common sense to me.  For Kenman to dump this girl because of his own paranoia seems sad to me, but maybe she is better off without him.
KenC
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KenMan
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« Reply #35 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Follow-up to Lugansk scam agency, posted by KenC on Apr 19, 2002

Do you understand the English language? You see the girl was not supposed to have been using a translator as I was told her English was good ( as requested ). Then where does a translator fit in? When letter she has been to the Babylon Bowling Club on different occaison and in one she never has been? I think there would be no confusion in a place and event one has been and taken part in. I give you all the credit of being not only intelligent but having a little common sense. It was all wrong period. End of the story.
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BrianN
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« Reply #36 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Re: Follow-up to Lugansk scam agency, posted by KenC on Apr 19, 2002

You words ring very true with regards to translations, and 0ver-Analyzation.

In the last 11 months, I can't count on my two hands how many times I've made an ass out of myself for making stupid assumptions about interpreters words.

Even today, with regards to a particular sentence I received in an email, I've finally figured out that,... damit, ask the interpreter first what is the "intended meaning", before finding fault in what was written or said.

Learning patience, and learning to going SLOW, is quite worthwhile, but it is definitely DIFFICULT, to hold back the knee-jerk, when that's all you're used to!.

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DE
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« Reply #37 on: April 19, 2002, 04:00:00 AM »

... in response to Follow-up to Lugansk scam agency, posted by Jack on Apr 18, 2002

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