Dem scammin agencies!

[KenC]

Anyone else here see more than a little inconsistency in the posts regarding agencies?  I have seen some glowing favorable reports on agencies turn into "they are total scammers" when the man's relationship with his FSU honey goes south.  The latest "sour grapes" report on Kherson Rose from europete is a good example, but there have been others.  I even read a letter of recommendation on an agency's website from a poster here that had nothing but praise for their services.  The man's relationship must have been VERY good at that time.  Later after the relationship went kaput, he had nothing but criticisms about the agency.  Just where does the responsibility of the agency end and the responsibility of the man begin?  Many here seem to think that if the agency's introduction doesn't end with a wedding ceremony, then the agency is just no good.  Give me a break.

I was lucky enough to deal with a reputable agency that delivered on everything they promised, but the responsibility of my successful relationship falls directly on Lena and I.  I think that too many guys really think they can pick a wife from a catalog!  When a guy fails to make a connection with any of the women he has chosen or if a new relationship fizzles out, it isn't the agency's fault.  Finding the "perfect" woman is a difficult task at best, with many bumps in the road.  Blame fate, bad luck, bad timing or maybe yourself.  It is a total cop out to blame the agency.
KenC

[thesearch]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Ken,

I agree with you totally, no question at all about that and I am glad you posted such. I think some people whoever they might be in the future need to hear this.

However, there will be exceptions. I just want to give some room for those that are in such.

For some guys they may be quick to say good things when in reality the event is still unfolding and when the final cards are played the guy realizes that he was trusting and indeed there was lack of sincerety or maybe even a scam. I guess it is all about definition of what scam is relative to lack of sincerety ect..

[europete]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Yes, KenC, you were, as you say, "lucky enough" to deal with a reputable agency. Not everyone is, all the time. But you continue to insinuate my "sour grapes" report is because a relationship I had established with a girl from Kherson Rose agency went bad, and now I want to lay all the blame on the failure of the relationship on the agency.
Nothing could be further from the truth!
In order for that to be true, we would have had to have developed  some kind of meaningful relationship in the first place,which never happened with any of the 4 girls I met from Kherson Rose. They were ALL 1 time meetings, and as I said before, 2 of the meetings went well, 2 didn't. I would like to meet again the 2 girls whose company was mutually enjoyable, and I have their contact information for my return to Ukraine.
So since you were not party to my experiences in Kherson or Ukraine, kindly refrain from passing your inaccurate judgment on me.
I note you are from San Diego, as I am as well, having just left there last Thursday to come to the midwest.
If you are so inclined, we can meet in person and discuss experiences and ideas.

[Tim M]

... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by europete on Apr 16, 2002

So now your story evolves from us being crooked and dishonest becuase we introduced you to two women who weren't interested in you to the fact that you LIKED two of the other women you met enough to go to Kherson to meet them again. All of this despite the fact that you are 57 and admit to pursuing women 30+ years younger than yourself.

You also say your friend Randall warned you against us, despite the fact that he married a lady he was introduced to from our agency ( a schoolmate of my wife's, no less). I am sure you went to his Kherson wedding, so you can't have forgotten that already ;-)

So between you and Randall, A Kherson Rose found one a wife and another two ladies that he liked enough to visit again?

The bar for scam alerts seems to keep getting lowered and lowered.

[yoe]

... in response to The story unfolds further, posted by Tim M on Apr 16, 2002

n.t

[europete]

... in response to The story unfolds further, posted by Tim M on Apr 16, 2002

But it is not going any lower!!!

[Ramblin]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Too bad my post got answered with a side show about the age police and Kherson Rose, the only posts about Kherson Pearls were as follows:
Bobby Orr: It sounds like really bad business practice on their part. You did the right thing. Also, I heard bad things about them on another board.
Paul21: met a girl through Kherson Pearls during a tour in that city last March (2001). I think I sent you a photo. The girl (finacee)and the agency owner requested financial assistance for the girl to obtain an international passport, I provided the financial assistance in the requested amount of $800, when I returned home I received emails from the agency owner stating that the girl needs money, when all was said and done I was scammed out of thousands of $$, this is something I really don't like to discuss, because it's a total embarrasment and I'm still pi$$ off over this matter.
If anyone else has any direct experience with them, (Kherson PEARLS) I would like to hear about it.  Since my last post, the owner did send one reply to me from a gorgeous lady even though the owner’s previous e-mail had renigged on her promise of the first e-mail and reply being free of charge.  However, the reply did not answer any of my questions or comment on anything that I wrote other than her interest in someone marriage minded and her wanting to meet me for that reason.  And my other letters have no reply.

[yoe]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Maybe these guys are just looking for something diferent. We do not want to discourage diversity, huh? The way I see it. Many guys want a girl who is lovely, young, alwasy attentive lalalala. All the man needs to do is send cash and she is available. That sounds fair..........
Ok guys just contact Sasha and www.Brothel.RU You will find the most lovely attentive prostitutes in all of Eastern Europe ready to come to america and be your wife. She is everything you ASKED FOR!
Joe
ps. I made up the url-but, be careful what you ask for! HUH?

[tim360z]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Hi Ken,

  I think the very best any agency can do--- is provide the introduction.  Then,  it is really up to the 2 people to take it from there.  Anyone asking for an agency to do anything more... is quite delusional.  Women are not products,  akin to washing machines that one can order from a catalog or in-store.  There are no warranties expressed or implied in this.  Everything is really based on the chemistry and communication between a man and a woman.  The MOB tag is really a joke.  2 people accept each other...or not.  If some agency sets everything up,  well,  in time the true reality...soon the agency is gone.  And it is really up to these 2 people to live together...without the aid of agencies or translators.  To blame an introduction agency because the guy did not hit it off with 1 girl or 20 is silly.  Just like here,  if the girl was really interested in you---you would know it.  Methinks,  this little pursuit doth attract some dubious and delusional men.

[KenC]

... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by tim360z on Apr 15, 2002

Tim,
Like europete calling Kherson Rose "crooked, conniving, and dishonest" because they didn't provide women 38 years younger that were "sincerely interested" in him?  Of course these sincere women were to be provided WITHOUT any planning on europet's part whatsoever.  What did he expect? A drive through window?
KenC

[John F]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

I think that's the kind of mentality that fed the trolls of past.  I'm not criticizing anyone, but if you read someone's allegations that an agency is a scam because the relationship fell through then you begin to understand why the feminists and media label us "socially inept".

John

[Quasimoto]

... in response to Dem scammin agencies!, posted by KenC on Apr 15, 2002

Well Damit Ken,

I agree with you! I have had relationships not turn out as expected or hoped, but I never passed it onto the agency. Even met one gal through Anastasia - total loss!! $$$$$$ but I never blamed any of Dem. I was the sucker, and I assume responsibility for my fuhpahs! Everyone today seems to be a victim! Compensation for a headache. Now there is the "no-coffee" defense in a murder case (real); compensation for slavery; someone develops a headache on an airplane flight; everyone is a victim! Bullcrap!!!! I call it the Religion of Victimization. Grow up I say!!!

Steve

[wilmc]

... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by Quasimoto on Apr 15, 2002

Right on!
"Religion of Victimization," that is beautiful.  Congrats.

I am a typical American "Mongrel" of various ethnic heritage, 1/4 Polish and I demand compensation for all those demeaning jokes.  You may send checks to my Citicorp account number 666.

Concerning MOB Agencies: I believe it would be helpful if Forum participants would share their positive experiences and make recommendations, or references.

I had very good fortune with a "free" agency, "Brides from Russia,"
 www.orc.ru/~brides/index.htm

I met 3 lovely ladies from Moscow thru them.  I had super holidays with all three.  I parted on a most friendly basis with two of them.  We still correspond. They have married, one to a Brit and the other to a Yank.  I feel like a "cupid."  I am still seeing the third lady.  In fact in two weeks I am leaving to visit her in Moscow again.

Unfortunately, "Brides...  seems to have set up a fee agency and less attention is being paid to the free original, but it still is there.

Good luck to all.

[Oatmeal]

... in response to Re: Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by wilmc on Apr 16, 2002

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[KenC]

... in response to Re: Dem scammin agencies!, posted by Quasimoto on Apr 15, 2002

Steve,
If da scammin agencies don't get ya, dose evil FSU women will!  LOL.  Too many paranoid "victims" looking to the FSU countries for soul mates.  I say if they were victims here they certainly will be victims there too.  These weak men should think about buying a cat.  (Dogs need too much interaction).
When I went to Russia, I thought it was my responsibility to make the best of the introductions that the agency provided.  As a matter of fact, I wanted the agency OUT OF THE PICTURE as soon as possible.  I wanted to be in control of my own destiny.  Hmmm, maybe I am slightly different from the whinning boys that have struck out there.
KenC
p,s. (Best of luck to you on your pending trip.  I sincerely hope everything will work out the way you planned)