Anyone need a good laugh....

[Mike]

... in response to Bill, nothing personal, but, posted by yoe on Mar 28, 2002

My wife wouldn't take any money from me but I sent some anyways because I knew that there is always a chance the worst could happen and didn't want to see her spend her own money on the medical and things, but I knew already what it cost and it was 100 to 150 for the medical and 15 to 20 dollars a page to have the divorce papers translated. How did yours cost so much more?
Mike

[yoe]

... in response to 500 for divorce papers and 300 for medic..., posted by Mike on Mar 28, 2002

My wife used to live in Vladivostoc (sp) and she had to travel there and then find her ex-husband and have him get teh papers-then there was the expediency. So try going from Ukraine to Russian and get your papers done for $150. That is like saying girls in Moscow are making $50 a month-yea right-that is like living in New York on $50 a month.

[Mike]

... in response to Divorce papers..........., posted by yoe on Mar 29, 2002

I see. I was just wondering is all, thought maybe you had to pay for the divorce as if she was still married or something. As for my wife she made $400 a month when I met her and held jobs that paid $1000, plus she was always making an extra buck on the side. Those in Moscow that make it on $150 a month must watch every penny that's for sure! It is a little like livinng in NY sense it is so large and all.
Mike

[wsbill]

... in response to Bill, nothing personal, but, posted by yoe on Mar 28, 2002

Was it tranlated on.. Gold leaf.

This chic wasn't paranoia, she wasn't like the typical Ukrainean girl.  She lived in E. German for at least 3 years and no doubt she knows the tricks of her trade.

I hate to bring this out... but when we were horizontal.  She asked me in 100% pure no accent russian "have you come yet" and they way propped her legs up in place.  Gulp, I felt a cold chill run down my back.  But whatever her life story was, I really didn't care (I should have - one of those warning signs..red flags).

No doubt, like I said before I was apart of this problem.

The scammer part... Well, your right.  It's up in the air, just like all of them.  However, I would asking her point blank if she wants to come to America and she would say 'Yes'.

The real proof that I have is that her e-mail friend sent me a valid response.

If you think I didn't communicate with her, I would try and telephone her atleast once every 2 weeks.  When I mailed that $300 check in December, I would have hoped to have gotten something atleast in the mail in Febuary or early March. Nothing...

So should I warn any future guys about this lady.  Who will gladly take their money, but do nothing in return?

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: $500 for divorce papers... what kind..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

that's when it's sex for sex, not emotionally involved, just plain sex.

We got them come yet types right here in the good old usa.

The difference is... we call it "gettin laid".  not getting married.

[Oatmeal]

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

How did she scam you.

I know your situation some and of course you know that I also met your gal so I am familiar.  

I think everyone is looking for a specific reason why it did not work out or what action or inaction that came to make you realize she was a scam.  How was this revealed to you.

I know it may be tough to talk about it and maybe you feel a little bad talking about it and if you don't want to then I am sure that is okay with everyone, but I must admit I am also very curious.

If you like you can e-mail me about it.

[wsbill]

... in response to Re: I think the question on everyone's m..., posted by Oatmeal on Mar 28, 2002

Through her internet connection.

Hello Bill,

Monday, March 25, 2002, 10:53:38 PM, you wrote:

BP Dasha, do you know of any nice single Ukraine girls
BP who might want to move to America ?

BP I don't think Irina wants to come.  She is happy in
BP her small room and feeble life.

BP I guess I will have to start looking for my other half
BP soon.  Since, Irina has made no effort to help me.
BP She does not write.

BP Larisa, Rostick and Violetta were right.  She is
BP insincere and greedy.

BP bill

Greetings, Bill!
It is very a pity to me, that your hopes have not come true.: (
About girls I do not know. At me such familiar is not present.
But you see there are many any marriage agencies in internet.
For example: http: // bride.ru/. And Russian girls same as well as
Ukrainian
And about Irina - you are right.
I wish you good luck! not ðàññòàèâàéñÿ

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Best regards,
Dasha

[DE]

... in response to Re: Re: I wrote to her friend who sent m..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

And I'm sorry that obviously through what you have posted reveals little about your goals in seeking a UW as well as the methods and techniques you employ.  However, I find it somewhat interesting that your note starts out "Dasha, do you know of any nice single Ukraine girls who might want to move to America?".

I think this may contribute to the problem as there are many that want to move to America but few of them will actually be right for you.  

Maybe it might be more fruitful if you had asked something such as:  Dasha, it doesn't appear that things are working out between myself and Irina.  Therefore, I think I should expand my search and try to find someone more compatible with me that is more of what I am seeking in a wife and partner.  Let me explain a little about what I am searching for in a wife.  (List what you seek).  Do you know any ladies that would be better suited as a partner for me based on my crieteria?

It appears to me that you are coming across as rather desperate which a women can smell a mile away (a scammer can smell it clear across the ocean).  At the least it sounds like if she is attractive and wants to move to America, WHAM!  We got a match.  Again, I'm sure that there is probably more to your search then what is obviously posted, but just trying to help.  Remember, you have to sell your self as well as know exactly what you want in exchange for what you have to offer.  And you must present yourself in such a way as not to ever appear desperate to a women regardless of whether she is an AW or an RW.  Regardless of how desperate you may actually be.  LOL  Also the appearance of desperation makes you more susceptible to being scammed or at least taken advantage of.

Please don't take this as a slam (as I don't have any room to talk myself:)), but I'm just trying to help you buddy  

BTW, just out of curiosity, how old was Irina?

[wsbill]

... in response to Bill, if I may......., posted by DE on Mar 28, 2002

http://www.excellence.com.ua/B/DT/Irina-B-93.html

(in the prior posting of her profile she had listed she knew english).

No doubt, looking back I wish I would have rewritten that letter to make it sound more direct.  But Dasha and I had talked once before.  So this wasn't like something new to her.

In fact, Irina used Dasha less and less for e-mailing me.  My guess is that see saw what was happening and distanced herself from Irina.

KenC... Glad to see you still haven't lost your edge. ha.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re: Here is her profile at the agency in..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

So, what's wrong with Dasha?

Sometimes this kind of "friend", can be the best match.

(In one way, I'm making a joke, but in another, I'm serious).

[wsbill]

... in response to Devils Advocate., posted by BrianN on Mar 29, 2002

She is a college student from Moscow, going to school in Kiev... She has a boy friend.

[BrianN]

... in response to Re:  Dasha - I agree, posted by wsbill on Mar 29, 2002

Maybe get her to set you up with someone, if she knows you, your personality, and what you're like.  Sometimes "other" women, can be great match makers, when they know the playing field.  Just don't hold them responsible for the results though.  Interpreters... (in my experience), can be worth one heck of a lot more than they're paid.

[wsbill]

... in response to Re: Re: I wrote to her friend who sent m..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

To her started translating her marriage, divorce, birth certificate for her and her boy and she hasn't done a thing.

She plays on that she doesn't know too much english but one day she was talking up a storm in it.  And the next she was giving me the yanya-pinya-myo song and dance the next time we talked.

Scamming no doubt comes in many flavors.

I told her to get started on her paper work and she hasn't done a thing.

[Ryan]

... in response to Re:  Let me put it this way.... I sent h..., posted by wsbill on Mar 28, 2002

Wow it frustrates me just reading this…  She is one of the worst types if scammers… Your right I hope she like that little hole she lives in because she will probably be their her whole life…  The screwed up thing about it is that they like it… Or seem to put up with it…  It seem there are many like this...

[wsbill]

... in response to Anyone need a good laugh...., posted by wsbill on Mar 27, 2002

But, I'm only out about $1000 in all since last June.

I'm not bummed about the money, but it's the timeline.
I'll accept fault, alot of it was my own choosing to ignore red flags that surfaced as time went on.

Like the veterans on the board say, don't dismiss those feelings.  I won't anymore!  No more feeling sorry for them, they are battle harden in their way of life.  No doubt, I was mister softy full of pity feelings for them.
NOT ANYMORE...(easier said than done).ha.

I'm certainly guilty for chasing after ONE woman, I'm not good at stringing along a few ladies in letter writing campaigns.  But I that's something I must Master.

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I'm still in the game, I still want to see more of Ukraine and what it has to offer...