Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-believable!'

[DR]

Maybe it's the way you phrased the following passages, but your story sounds screwy:

"I had just cam back from Yoshkar-Ola, where i went to meet a where i went to meet a girl i had been corresponding with for about a year. Nothing happened in Y-O, but i'm pretty sure it could have. Anyway, i told this girl i was with at that time(marina) that i had a gf in moscow, so nothing would happen between us."

If you had a *serious* girlfriend, why did you go see this other girl on YO?  Why didn't you take your *serious* girlfriend with you?  You admit you *could have* had sex if *you* wanted.  That being the case, why did you go in the first place?  As a general rule, I stay away from fast and free women; why tempt myself?

Your entire argument is perverse in that you lament:
"i haven't seen a single faithful one" when, in fact, it seems you were the unfaithful one; you ditched your *serious* girlfriend for *a girl i had been corresponding with for about a year*.  Why did you continue to write this girl when you had a girlfriend?

Doesn't anyone else find these facts a bit strange?

[juio99]

... in response to Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-believab..., posted by DR on Dec 13, 2001

for whom English is not their first language.  It takes a little more time to read their stuff, but why not give our fellow men the benefit of the doubt more often ?

[DR]

... in response to Lets try to remember to be a little more..., posted by juio99 on Dec 14, 2001

Geez, now I'm attacking him personally?  You miss the point.  Please reread my messages to Pat.

Cheers...
DR

[Zink]

... in response to Re: Lets try to remember to be a little ..., posted by DR on Dec 14, 2001

Some people did catch your point DR. It just wasn't worth getting into feud over. I believe that your point was "how can a guy who is unfaithful to his girlfriend complain about women who are unfaithful?" Hypocrisy is wonderful isn't it?

My theory of life is I try to live up to my standards and if other people can't, then that's their problem not mine. Of course I'd like to find a girl that lives up to my standards.

I haven't seen anything to prove that RW sleep around more than the CW and AW that I know. They just don't seem to feel guilty about it. That feeling of guilt doesn't seem to stop the ladies(and I use that term loosely) here from doing it though.

[DR]

... in response to Re: Re: Lets try to remember to be a lit..., posted by Zink on Dec 14, 2001

Oh, sorry, my last post was a little empty...again, I'm trying to do my 1-hour-internet-stuff in about 10 minutes.    I agree with your major points as well.  

I only pressed the issue with Pat because I wanted to see where this guy was coming from and if he even recognized how inconsistent his remarks seemed.  When I write such messages, I like to think I'm questioning the information or behavior, not the character of the source.  Some people just take things personally too quickly.    

It's interesting to note that Pat and I are about the same age but our perceptions and attitudes, apparently, couldn't be more different.

As always, cheers...
DR

[DR]

... in response to Re: Re: Lets try to remember to be a lit..., posted by Zink on Dec 14, 2001

Phew!  I'm glad someone was able to follow me.  I know I'm not the best writer, and that I often write messages when I'm rushed, but I like to think I'm at least coherent.    

Cheers...
DR

[Jeff]

... in response to Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-believab..., posted by DR on Dec 13, 2001

Yeah, I find it strange too, but that's the way some men are.  What really distubed me is he is contemplating going there just for sex, you have to be pretty desperate to spend that kind of money just for that!

[pat]

... in response to Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-believab..., posted by DR on Dec 13, 2001

WTF r u talking about?? i'm tired of these people trying to make assumptions in order to prove idon't know what, but it just bores me out of my mind this is why i post so seldom here...
I just posted u a reply down under, but since apparently u want to do the frontpage with ur infamous stupidity, i'll just add this: As i said,  those who HAVE READ my trip report  know what it is about...Obviously, you haven't read it, and i find it strange because if u have soooo much time on ur hands to post bulls h*t like that, i thought u would have read every singlepost of this board 1st...Since u haven't read it, go it's in the archive,(in 8 part if i remember) and if u don't like it, u can still print it and shove it up ur silly *ss...
BUT..i'll explain myself...i was writing to MArina way before i met that girl in moscow. I was suppposed to go see MArina, everything was planned, and after that i met this girl in Moscow, and what happened happened. MArina seemed real nice, and i thought i had to go see her anyway. MY plan was i f we really hit off, i would have dumped my moscow gf... actually i think i really should have dumped her 1st and be with Marina after that, that was my biggest summer mistake!!
clearer now?

[DR]

... in response to Re: Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-beli..., posted by pat on Dec 13, 2001

Phew!  Feel better?  Don't worry.  No need to apologize.  We can still be friends.  

Take a breath.  I don't know *these people* anymore than I know you.  I neither have read nor care to read your *TRIP REPORT* (cue angelic music here); I didn't realize such was a prerequisite to post a response either.  Forgive my *infamous stupidity*.  As I said, 'it *may* have been how you phrased certain passages' in your previous post.  

Now, don't change the subject.  Ending your last message with *going to Russia for sex* was a pretty calous and shallow remark from someone who was trying to demonstrate a stark contrast between himself (cue angelic music here) and this unfaithful woman in Moscow.

Furthermore, how can you write on the topic of 'fidelity' and expect to be taken seriously when you say things like: *and i thought i had to go see her anyway. MY plan was i f we really hit off, i would have dumped my moscow gf*.  The fact is, you wanted to go see Marina *anyway* because you weren't committed completely to this RW in Moscow.  How is your behavior any different from the RW's behavior?  At least she knows herself and is willing to be honest about her nature.  

I have to agree with Jeff.  It sounds a bit like a soap opera.  All the same, I wish you every success this life has to offer.

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-beli..., posted by pat on Dec 13, 2001

I found your trip report a little confusing but I don't see why there is any cause for criticism. It was your personal experience. From my point of view, your trip was a practice run... where you learned the in's and out's of the RW scene. I sincerely hope your next journey is much more fruitful and satisfying and that you are successful in finding your true love.

-blm

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-beli..., posted by pat on Dec 13, 2001

Pat,

I remember very well your trip and the circumstances and thus I fully understood and nothing seemed odd. But, you have to remember that this was some time ago that you wrote your trip report and without an easy reference for someone to go back and read it - questions are easier to pose.

Also, correct me if I am wrong. When you said that you would go back for basically a sex tour - I did not take you seriously - only  a relfection of how the whole situation bothered you.

If were serious about a sex tour - that is ok if you tell the ladies that you are only there for a sex tour then bingo, some will be happy you came and will want to make sure that you go home telling how wonderful they are. Everyone is happy no problem. Not my cup of tea but each to his own.

[DR]

... in response to Calm down, posted by thesearch on Dec 13, 2001

Yes, certainly I lacked *reference* when I read his story.  Notwithstanding, he was writing on the topic of *fidelity* and yet he was doing a little fooling around as well.  His goal was to further the generalization that RW are relatively unfaithful (at least to himself).  Honestly, as he's presented his case, I can't make sense of his argument.

[Jeff]

... in response to Re: Pat: Clarification on 'Un-F'ing-beli..., posted by pat on Dec 13, 2001

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