New Guys and Trolls

[mdante99]

When I started posting on this Board many months ago, I was called a troll. I have been married now for six months. I have learnt a great deal in the process; I had no idea about most of this when I started out.
I would suggest giving the new guys a break. Some really don't know what this is all about.
The process takes a lot of effort.
The time spent varies from six months to several years before you find a wife; and sometimes never.
The monies spent varies from less than $2000 to well over $10,000 and counting.
It is postulated that about 50% of the K-1 visa arrivals return to their native countries in the first year.
These are some of the basics; the newcomers, and I was once of them usually don't have a clue.

Mark

[KenC]

... in response to New Guys and Trolls, posted by mdante99 on Dec 8, 2001

Mark,
You were hammered pretty good when you first posted here because you had a condescending attitude and posted statistics about failure rates that could never be substantiated. Kind of like the "statistic" in this post, "It is postulated that about 50% of the K-1 visa arrivals return to their native countries in the first year" Where did THAT come from? And just how VALID is it?

Your more current posts have been much better accepted here because you speak from your experience instead of passing on questionable "facts" from questionable sources.

There are some posters here that have an unreal instinct when it comes to spotting trolls. They are usually correct, but occasionally wrong. King Dante is the most classic example of the troll hunters being wrong. But come on, who would ever believe that a pig farmer from Iowa would be real? LOL
KenC

[mdante99]

... in response to why you got a hard time, posted by KenC on Dec 9, 2001

I agree with you that no one has hard statistics; there are many people on other Boards who claim to know, but where is the hard data?
One reason may be that hard data is difficult to come by.

I am told that INS claims that 33% of the K-1 visa recepients return within 90 days without ever getthing married. But once again where does INS say that? However that data should be available, since a recepient has to apply for AOS or go back.

Having said that, I knew that AM/RW relationships are at the very least, very difficult; and that knowledge has helped me tremendously in my own relationship. I think it is better to be prepared.

Mark

[BarryM]

... in response to New Guys and Trolls, posted by mdante99 on Dec 8, 2001

You deliberately caused problems by posting anti RW propaganda from the likes of Shane Neff, Johan, and other RWNA hate-mongering psychos. You were asked to stop and ridiculed for your posting of the aforementioned material, yet you kept doing it repeatedly.

You were asked by the "Russian Women Abroad" forum moderator, Natasha, not to post there any more because of your repeated posting of the aforementioned material on that forum, infuriating those decent RW. You are as despised on that forum as much as Claire is here. You rudely keep posting there despite many polite requests to stop. You even had the arrogance to spam them with your travel business on there. Of course you were ridiculed for it and Natasha asked you to stop once again.

You're just plain rude and antagonistic.

That's why you have been tagged a troll.

-blm

[BubbaGump]

... in response to You were labeled a troll for good reason..., posted by BarryM on Dec 9, 2001

I remember looking at the posts on RWA thinking it looked more like one of our trolls than Mark.  If Mark had been reading this board for 13 months before posting like I did, he would have know that better than to start out like he did.  One thing he would have learned is that people get jumped on a lot because trolls leave and then come back as somebody else and we think they're one of those earlier trolls.  Start quoting old troll material and you're in real trouble.  

When people post these statistics on the marriage failure rate with foreign women you notice they never post a link to any web page to tell you where they get their information.  What good is all this hearsay nonsense.  If I think somebody's going to challenge me on statistics, I post the web link.  

[mdante99]

... in response to You were labeled a troll for good reason..., posted by BarryM on Dec 9, 2001

Most readers here think that my posts are very valuable. They are consdiered just as valuable at RWA; I have a personal letter from the moderator there to that effect. Read some of the comments below here.
Do you know how to read English?

I don't care to respond to likes of you personally nor it is  my style to remind you that you are a nature's mistake but when you lie, I have to tell you what the rest of us think about you; you are an idiot and a moron who lies consistently.
We live in a society in which we learn to tolerate the worst of human beings; and you are one of them, but tolerance does not imply that we have to associate with you. You never had a woman in America and you never will anywhere else; women are smart enough to smell a moron a mile away. They are clever enough to smell the stinch coming out of you.

I prefer not to hear from you and nobody else here does either.
Go find a place which suits your kind. Countless others have told you the same thing; read the post from Richard above.
Do you know how to read English?

If you consistently continue to disturb the rest of us; I would request Patrick to delete all your future posts.

Mark

[mdante99]

... in response to What A Moron!, posted by mdante99 on Dec 9, 2001

BTW some of the horrible experiences by some others with RW  that I have alluded to,is a must reading for everyone. An intelligent person learns from other people's mistakes.
It is only a fool that enters this process without knowing the good and the bad.
My RW experience is a very happy one, precisely because I knew what to avoid.

Mark

[BarryM]

... in response to Re: What A Moron!, posted by mdante99 on Dec 9, 2001

I have been quite consistent in my posts here. There is no question on my positions here. Mark, however, is all over the place. My statements in the above post concerning Marks antagonistic behavior is accurate. I have been witness to them on this board and on RWA. I did not mention the stupid posts about statistics and pre-nuptial agreements. Those mainly made Mark look like an idiot although they did insult a few peoples intelligence.

My reason for dredging up Mark's old troll posts is because Mark keeps posting them on RWA when he is asked to stop and he has never apologized to the decent folks he has offended repeatedly. That and his spitefull arrogance really piss me off.

Mark would like to revise history and become more credible, yet the stench of his troll behavior clings to him tightly. He still thinks he is justified in spamming us and RWA with hate propaganda for his claimed purpose of educating us "morons".

-blm

[mdante99]

... in response to Mark shows his true colors., posted by BarryM on Dec 9, 2001

And probably never will.
When you disagree with someone, disregard the person, and concentrate on what he/she says. There is always merit in every opinion howsoever different than yours it may be.
Disagreement is healthy; that is the only way one learns.
Most people here and elsewhere are mature enough to know that. Attacking people for their arguments is infantile and ignorance; I don't know how old you are, but I am surprised that you have never learned that in life.
There have been several other posters here whom you have addressed the same way; I don't know why you are here.
My style and caution has paid off very well. I found a very lovely and a beautiful wife in less than six months of search; we are very happy, and our very crucial first year should be over soon... happily.
My caution speaks for itself.

Mark

[tim360z]

... in response to New Guys and Trolls, posted by mdante99 on Dec 8, 2001

but I do seem to recall some heightened trollophobia at the time.  Sometimes this board gets whacked with the trolls.    And some guys probably do get sick of all the clutter,  when really they are seeking good info.  I know I don't like it.  Like Bubba I simply read the board and some archives for 2 months before having a question.  The question dealt with shipping.  Pretty mundane and boring question.  I immediately got very good advice to a very practical question.  Maybe 2 weeks later,  I had another practical question.  I think about Pimsleur and experiences with it...again,  I got very good answers.  I also think each person has to do alot of their own research too.  Not to simply just jump on about some girl at some agency (url provided)he just saw at a webpage.  Anyone who has done a little of their own research would find $20 per letter to be outta line.  And the companies claims to be dubious at best.  Personally,  I have usually always enjoyed reading your posts and your insight and views and experience and I do not recall your early problems.  A forum is really designed for differences of opinions and we all have the right to disagree....I think in that way we all learn a little more...than we knew before.  viva le difference

[BubbaGump]

... in response to New Guys and Trolls, posted by mdante99 on Dec 8, 2001

I don't remember why you got such a hard time when you first started posting but a lot of new guys just make some strange posts and get jumped on immediately.  I just kind of stealthily slipped on here and never had problems.  I read the board for 13 months before my first post and I've only gotten hammered 3 times for rude or psycho sounding posts.

[DE]

... in response to Re: New Guys and Trolls, posted by BubbaGump on Dec 8, 2001

I remember you getting jumped, especially with the pre-nuptual post!  But you, like most of us survived, and turned out to be a valuable contributor.  We all get jumped at one time or another!  Its tough on new posters as they are somewhat taken back by the lashing out, but usually, the sincere posters hang in there and everyone accepts them.  Newbies need to understand the tides often seen on this board can suck them out to sea or wash them up on a land of paradise.  It just depends on where and how they enter the waters.  Rip tides, tital waves and under currents can be dangerous and there are numerous on this board.

[DE]

... in response to Ebbs and Flows, posted by DE on Dec 8, 2001

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