RM and their Children

[jj]

One of the things that surprised me in meeting Ukrainian Women in what appeared to be common was how many Russian Men walked out on their wives and children.  Although they live nearby they have nothing to do with their children.  In one case since their divorce the father had never contacted their daughter, never asked how she was or tried to get to know her.  This I find hard to understand.  What;s more the fathers parents had no interest either.  They were divorced when his Daughter was three months old and has not seen her since.  He continues to make some support payments (About the cost of a Big Mc a month) but she has not seen her father or her Grand Parents on her fathers side.  She was a beautiful girl, that any father would be pround to know..

This was not the only case.  A friend ex-husband lived in the same block of apartments and never sees his son.  Whats even more puzzelling was that his ex wife still sees and cares for his mother her Mother-inlaw.

Now I know that two cases do not make the norm... or is it.  Does anyone else knwo of simmilar cases and why?  I could never abandon my children even in divorce...  I can not understand this let alone how grand parents can show no interest.  

[Stan B]

... in response to RM and their Children, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

that is Marina's experiance, as her father lived in the same town as her but wouldn't even say hello and didn't want to meet his grand-daughter. And Marina's ex has never called or visited his daughter since they broke up before their divorce.
So while jj is usually way off base, there is some truth in this 1...

[jj]

... in response to I'm not a fan of jj, but, posted by Stan B on Nov 27, 2001

It was not the case in every situation.  I personally have not experienced this attitude.  - I faik to understand how a father can just work away from his children...  but then maybe some here can...  Interesting,

[Charles]

... in response to RM and their Children, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

I don't know where you got this idea, but it's not the case.  I have a stepson with a Ukrainian father who still stays in touch with him even though he has been in the U.S. for some time.  I think you are being unfair here and engaging in generalizations without a lot of data.  If you want to ask a question of the board members, fine, but don't pontificate if you have no basis to do so.

[jj]

... in response to Re: RM and their Children, posted by Charles on Nov 27, 2001

I understand.  Yes it appears as a generalisation but this is what a couple of women I dated in Ukraine commented on.  I was surprized myself, which is why I have posted this comment on the board to seek feedback.  I am not sure how representative it is.  But again I was surprised to also discover that the Grand Parents have shown no interest in their grand daughter development.  This is not a Ytoll Post but a sincere comment.

[jj]

... in response to RM and their Children, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

If you talk to them then you may find out something interesting...  At least they are reading this even if they do not understand the issue...  Hmmm...  Maybe it is too close to home for some..

[BarryM]

... in response to RM and their Children, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

You can't win here. You should have stopped your Jack bashing, finger pointing, goofy criticisms, stupid false "facts", and soapbox rants. Now, after each one of your posts, someone is going to post what an idiot you are to protect the uninformed from your falsities.

You should have calmed down and stopped your goofy posts. It't too late now. Get a clue, will ya!

-blm

[jj]

... in response to It's just going to get uglier and nastie..., posted by BarryM on Nov 26, 2001

... Clearly I see now why this board flames so much..  They stay off topic and instead of addressing some issues they attach thye It is a reflection on them as far as I think.  I begin to understand some of Clares concerns...  maybe she was right...

[BarryM]

... in response to Interesting why???  The Group Jerk off....., posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

YOU need to shut the hell up. Back off. LEAVE. You pissed on too many people here with your antics.

You were doing ok for a while. Not bothering anyone too terribly, and actually making some sense. Now you have shot yourself in the foot. No one cares about your topics. Only a complete idiot is going to take you seriously now.

Some things you need to do before "The Group" starts asking Patrick to ban you.

1. You need to stay off the board for a while and let things calm down... maybe 2 weeks of no jj posts ?

2. When you do come back, do not mention Jack, his business, his website, or anything to do with Jack whatsoever. I mean nothing. Do not respond to Jack. Do not defend yourself before Jack. Do not acknowledge that Jack exists.

3. Do not bother Dan. Do not piss off Dan. Do not mention anything about Dan. Do not try to discredit Dan. Dan knows much more than you about Ukraine. You should kiss Dan's ass, but you're too stupid to figure that out. Do not respond to Dan's posts. Do not acknowledge Dan exists.

4. Do not post stupid. Do not try to rally the board for some cause or issue. Do not post threats of reporting people to the IRS, INS, or any other government agency. Do not attempt to be an expert on anything. You're not. Do not post false information that makes respondants look like idiots. That's something you have done several times. Don't piss everyone off. Don't piss anyone off.

5. If you do decide to post some "facts", and I have serious scepticism on that, back them up with real data and real verifiable sources. If you don't have verifiable sources that you are willing to reveal, then you will always be considered a liar, a fraud, and a complete idiot.

You need to fix your image problem on here. You need some mental health counseling as well. Don't blame "The Group" for giving you flames. You deserve it. You're wrong and you have insulted us here. Get a life elsewhere.

-blm

[jj]

... in response to Idiot! don't you get it ?, posted by BarryM on Nov 26, 2001

Sorry...  I now began to understand why some here get pissed off by the group jerk...  My attackes against Jack are in response to his false statements and accusations..  I am not the only one here that has expressed concern about Jack...  I tried to avoid him but he persists in being a Jerk.  You are attacking the messenger and not the source.

[BarryM]

... in response to What you are saying is bend over and spr..., posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

nt

[DR]

... in response to RM and their Children, posted by jj on Nov 26, 2001

So you had a deadbeat dad.  Get over it.  Those stories are for another time and another place.  As someone else said, "jeez!"  

[BubbaGump]

... in response to JJ...we don't need to hear about your we..., posted by DR on Nov 26, 2001

I always have to ask this: Did your friends and family give you a hard time about marrying a foreign wife?  I always worry too much about what other people think.  I used to read your posts but I only started posting after you left.

[jj]

... in response to JJ...we don't need to hear about your we..., posted by DR on Nov 26, 2001

You guys have lost the plot...  My childhood upbring was fine,,,,,  not that that matters.  I am not religious... I have no specific religion... I do not think it has to do with religion...  maybe you have abandooned you children in the past?  I do not know. I was trying to gain some insight into an issue that the ladies I met also found it hard to understand..  But than m,aybe you do not care what they think you only wish to chime in on a group jerk...

[Zink]

... in response to JJ...we don't need to hear about your we..., posted by DR on Nov 26, 2001

life been treating you? You don't post much anymore. Sad to see the only time you post is in response to this guy.  
I hope all's well.