Love comes at a price in Kyiv - Oct 25

[Ryan]

News Article I came across

http://www.thepost.kiev.ua/main/9962/

[tim360z]

... in response to Love comes at a price in Kyiv - Oct 25, posted by Ryan on Oct 25, 2001

...the article is pretty much in-sync with what some nice girls in Russia and Ukraine have told me,  AFTER,  we have decided that we are probably not compatible.  Her wanting to have 4 kids was the deal-breaker.  Then,  we just become friends.  Thats a tough little trick.  Or as one absolutely beautiful and very nice girl wrote me, " Now,  as we have no expectations in each other I can be sincere with you,  I can speak with you truly".  The true is far more interesting than the chardash dance.    
   Her experience is probably not novel.  She speaks and writes English,  but is not fluent,  has a good job (computer access) and single at 24 has a nice little life.  She does not really see a shortage of men...just a shortage of the quality of the men.  Sssooo she puts a little profile on the internet and then cancels it after 8 days.  Competetion???  In 8 days she got " 700's-800's "replies from guys.  She picked a European guy who is getting her a visa and working papers and wants to have 4 kids.  All in a few days.  Does this girl want to get out of Russia right away---absolutely.  Best,  Tim

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Re: Love comes at a price in Kyiv - Oct ..., posted by tim360z on Oct 26, 2001

I have never seen any girl listed as having much over 200 men contact them.  This could mean that a lot more men are trying this and giving the women more choice.  She could be giving you a line.

[KC]

... in response to Re: Re: Love comes at a price in Kyiv - ..., posted by BubbaGump on Oct 27, 2001

I believe this to be true. That indeed some of these women DO recieve hundreds of letters. But, I think that a large percentage of these men who respond are not totally serious in a foreign wife. I believe many men write letters and make contact with women, but will never carry out the actual process of marriage or even meeting these women. Perhaps, they got the idea from a friend or the internet or from whatever source. But, they think that this is a cool idea so they write letters. But, then they realize the difficulities involved eg. language barriers, cultural differences, travel expenses etc. and inevitably quit the process. I can speak from my own experience. I visited a girl who received approximately 50 letters and pictures of men. She told me how she short listed the men. Firstly, she eliminated blacks and Asians (I am not racist or prejudice and she is not either, we all know most Russian women prefer caucasian). And then she eliminated many others because she didn't like the letters or pictures for whatever reasons. Lets face it! We all know that there are a lot of "sick" men out there and it can easily be reflected in the letters that they write. Therefore, I don't think it is necessary to make irrational decisions and to worry about the competition with other men. If you are a good man, there will always be a good woman for you.

[tim360z]

... in response to Re: Re: Love comes at a price in Kyiv - ..., posted by BubbaGump on Oct 27, 2001

Hi Bubbagump,

   I am not quite sure as to what you mean by "listed as"  If you are referring to some of those internet agencies that give a count #...well,  I would not beleive those numbers very much.  Its biz.  If the # is too high--the guys ain't gonna pony-up the dough.  So,  there is I am sure a cut-off.  'Cuz the internet illusion has to be obtainable in the eyes of the customer.  If he's gonna plunk down some cash.  Right?  I only communicate with 1 girl at a normal agency and it is over 8 months more of a friendship thing and every 10-12 days we write each other a letter,  which is more of a cultural exchange thing which she enjoys alot.  She is just too young,  but she is a very smart girl, great looking and a very nice person.  Now, she tells me that she,  in the past year has received a few hundreds of letters.  

   Now,  another friend over the past 7 months,  who is very beautiful ran some ads on the free or semi-free sites...and she got thousands.  It completely freaked her out.  Her yahoo email box was always overquota,  for weeks, even though she emptied it every 3 days.  Delete,  delete. It was staggering for her.  This board is such a tiny little microcosm of the millions of guys out there.  Lotta American guys,  lotta Euros wrote.  But also tons of Indians,  Arabs,  Asians,  Japanese etc.  So its big,  lots of computers out there.  But,  shes very fussy and she only wants to marry an American or a Euro.  And some lucky guy will.

   Bubba,  I did not write this to discourage you--you should not feel discouraged at all.  Because the other side of the coin is that there are thousands and thousands of very nice,  good-looking,  intelligent females over there who are very very serious about marriage and leaving the FSU.  Now,  personally I think if a guy is completely committed to getting married right away....just a couple of letters back and forth to maybe 10 prospects.  And then,  just get your but over there and spend a few weeks. For marriage letters do not carry much weight...its silly.  One girl told me how she kept a correspondence with 8 guys for a year...all very serious marriage minded men and---not one ever showed.  Best,  Tim

[BubbaGump]

... in response to numbers,  numbers, posted by tim360z on Oct 27, 2001

What I meant by "listed as" was that some web sites list how many men requested her address.  The highest number I have seen is about 240.  I think men would stop requesting if they saw a number like that.  I don't think they are necessarily accurate because girls are often on more than one web site.  One girl that wrote me had 169 men request her address.  She didn't make my cut because her letter sounded kind of fake.  

I haven't succeeded yet but I am not discouraged.  I think a girl would be crazy to choose anything other than a European or American man.  America has the higher standard of living but some of the women want to stay closer to home.

[BubbaGump]

... in response to Love comes at a price in Kyiv - Oct 25, posted by Ryan on Oct 25, 2001

It gives you their motivation and perspective.  It was about what I expected the article to say.  Notice they don't condem the women or men for doing this.  They just report the facts.