Trip report and hello.....

[Mark H]

Hey guys,
Long time no post. Had to actually post a "test" to see if I could still post. I don't remember my password so I guess my browser has done it for me. I tried to post from Kiev but couldn't remember my password to save my life. Now I will be forever banned to post simply from home.

Just returned from a 10 day Hiatus to Kiev, wanted to give some quick and short insights to the differences I found between Russia and Ukraine. I loved Kiev, what a cool city. By far, my favorite city. Moscow, St. Pete's and Dimitrovgrad do not even begin to compare with Kiev. I truly loved Kiev. When in Russia, I never felt completely "safe". Always on alert. In Kiev, I felt very safe. Not sure why but I did.

Women: Of course this is my opinion and not an invitation for a pissing match. I think Ukrainian women are far better looking than russian women. Just my opinion.

The Metro in Kiev is identical to that of ST. petes. Same smell also. There are so many things to see in Kiev it is unbelievable.

As for the city girl versus the village girl BS, it's purely that. I think Kiev women are very kind, gentle and nice. I met several and was impressed with all of them. The people of Kiev were very friendly to me and I had a ball.

Jack, I met a guy on my trip home who was on your social. He met a girl and said he loved it. Kudo's to you and your company. He was very satisfied. Sorry we couldn't hook up but I couldn't get your cell # to work properly.

Recommendations: I went to see one girl but met many of her friends and relatives. All sweeties. Walking down the streets of Kiev is a beautiful site, gorgeous babes everywhere and I do mean EVERYWHERE. As for recommendations, my future will be that of going ALONE next time. I'm not setting up a meeting with anyone. I'm not contacting or emailing anyone in advance. The ability to meet women in Ukraine or Russia is wide open. You don't need to "pre-meet" anyone online. Just go and have a good time as yourself. The key will be to have a good GUIDE/INTERPRETER. I think hooking up with a good guy or gal will go along way. Hang out with them, see the sights with them and I guarantee you will meet an amazing number of women who you are DEFINITELY ATTRACTED to and they are interested in you. You don't need agencies or email. Just go and get with the program. It's great to have companies like Jack's Firstdream to use for transporation, flats, interpreters etc... but forget the emailing correspondence crap. Go and find your mate, don't shop for her.

That's all.
Mark H.

[WmGo]

... in response to Trip report and hello....., posted by Mark H on Oct 16, 2001

Hey MarkHster!

Good to hear from you. I agree with on Kiev, I have been there twice and look forward to the next time. Glad to hear that you had a better time than your last trip over. Look forward to more stuff...

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Trip report and Privet, posted by WmGo on Oct 17, 2001

Wmgoonagoagainsoon?

When you going again my friend? I'm planning something for Late february of next year. I"m going to jerk on Dan's chain a bit and possibly go to Lviv. Dan, I'm going to email you for some info. Cold here today.

Mark H.

[WmGo]

... in response to Re: Re: Trip report and Privet, posted by Mark H on Oct 17, 2001

Hope to go to Kiev during the winter. No specific dates yet. Lviv is a very cool city. A good place to visit. Very historical and loaded with attractive ladies.

[Dan]

... in response to Re: Re: Trip report and Privet, posted by Mark H on Oct 17, 2001

Hi Mark,

Sure - fire away. I'll be happy to answer anything I can.

In fact, as I recollect, Mr. WmGO has also visited the Lion City (Lviv) - and can probably offer a tidbit or two. For that matter, Quasimoto (Steve) has also visited Lviv - a couple of times, I think. Maybe a few others I have forgotten about. Should be a wealth of information available here.

- Dan

[Mark H]

... in response to Lviv - Lviv - Did I Hear Someone Mention..., posted by Dan on Oct 17, 2001

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[DE]

... in response to Trip report and hello....., posted by Mark H on Oct 16, 2001

While I haven't been to Russia, after three trips to Ukraine, there's something that keeps drawing me to Kiev.  It's rich in history, friendly people, I've always felt safe, and yes, beautiful women everywhere.  It always gives me a sense of like I'm returning home to a country where I once lived.  I'm planning on returning next spring and this time looking for an apartment to buy.  With four years till retirement eligibility, I plan to make Kiev my future summer home.

[KenMan]

... in response to Have to Agree, posted by DE on Oct 16, 2001

How much would an apartment cost in Kiev?

[Dan]

... in response to Kiev Apartment, posted by KenMan on Oct 16, 2001

Hi Ken,

I don't mean to be facetious, but the real estate market in Kyiv is highly-variable. You can find an old nasty run-down and roach-infested apartment far away from the center of the city for in the tens of thousands of $$'s. Or you can find a modern (even new) freshly-renovated apartment in a nice area near Kreschatyk and the costs can be in the couple of hundred thousand range. And everything in between.

It all depends on what you want.

- Dan

[Ryan]

... in response to Trip report and hello....., posted by Mark H on Oct 16, 2001

I always love to read trip reports about Kiev.  I felt the exact same way you do when I got back from my 10 days last June.  Kiev is a great city, with real good people.  I cannot wait until next spring, when I go back.  This time like you I am going to alone and not making plans to meet anyone.  I will stay in the apartment I had last year as I made great friend with the landlord.  I will also go to Lugansk and stay with this girl that I wrote for a year but didn’t really hit it off but her family and I got along great.  (Guess all that money I sent for the family was worth something).  So I will stay with them all again.  All I am going to do is get addresses and contacts from dating agencies and just go there as a plan B but for the most part I am going to clubs and meets women on the streets through friends etc.  

I am interested to learn about your experience meeting women on the streets, clubs as I feel for younger people searching this is probably going to be the best way to avoid scammers and all the other crap and better off in the long run.  For older people I don’t think they have many choices they need to do the Internet, socials and the like.  Same as if they were looking for women in the U.S.A. (My opinion)

Please write more about the people you met.  What did you all do etc.

[Mark H]

... in response to Re: Trip report and hello....., posted by Ryan on Oct 16, 2001

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[thesearch]

... in response to Re: Trip report and hello....., posted by Ryan on Oct 16, 2001

For older people I don’t think they have many choices they need to do the Internet, socials and the like. Same as if they were looking for women in the U.S.A. (My opinion)

Please explain your thoughts. I am interested to hear what you have to say. And - your age?

[Ryan]

... in response to question, posted by thesearch on Oct 16, 2001

I feel that older men searching for a nice Ukraine/Russian woman would be better finding them on the net as not many nice older Ukraine/Russian women are at clubs and night spots etc.  I also believe in sticking close to your age range if your 50 going after 30-year-old women from any country your asking for trouble. (My opinion)  You would be better at socials and meeting someone that is close to your age, and don’t go looking for arm candy either, stay within your means.  You would also do well meeting other Russian women threw Russian friends that you meet.  You could find Russian male friends close to your age and find out what they do.  You wanted my opinion……

[thesearch]

... in response to Re: question, posted by Ryan on Oct 16, 2001

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[Katya]

... in response to Re: question, posted by Ryan on Oct 16, 2001

I do not think that meeting girls at nightclubs is a good idea. Party girls do not usually make good wives.

Katya