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Pete E:
... in response to But are US troops being poisioned ? Some..., posted by BenKramer1 on Dec 26, 2005
Guess we are hurting for chica stories.
There is a bigger question here than any particular incident.Its how do we know about anything we do not have direct personal experience with,how do we get our imformation about the world and who do we choose to belive?
I remember one time when I was still an atheist[ I now consider myself spiritual but believe little of things ancient and my god is not a man in the sky with a long white beard ]I was in ac discussion with a traditionally religious friend,we were talking specifically about a man in the sky type god.I said I have seen no evidence,nor have you.He said do you believe there is a New York? I said yes.He said have you ever been there? I said no.He said then why do you belive it?I said because it is consistent with everything I have read seen or heard about.
So its about judgement about evidence from others that we can choose to belive or not belive.And logic.For instance what kind of a cover up or conspiracy would be required for 9/11 to sell us the story of the world trade center buidings being hit by other than the commercial airliners we are told it was?In my mind an unbelieveable conspiracy would be required.Its just not BELIVABLE,not even close,not a million to one.Just the question of what happened to the real airliners makes it a million to one.
Its not a question of intelligence,I know very intelligent people who believe this.One bought a cabin in the woods for Y2K.Its a question of judgement,and even looking within for a reasson why someone would want to belive something so incredible.
Its seems to me a big element is total distrust of any traditional sources,then the ability to belive very non traditional sources.My friend who got into this is a tax rebel,I thinks thats how he bumped in to internet sites that then went way off in to other things.And about intelligence,I think the intelligence to dream up or put together details on some of these off the wall theories is very high.
I personally have faith in the army of news reporters and investigative journalists who would like nothing more than to find something very unique to report about to smoke out the the evidence and truth in anything that might come up.
Its seems to me the 9/11 conspiracy has no credability at all.Nor does another theory that we are being bombarded by electrons from space.2 people including my very intelligent friend buy that one.His answer is you have to examine the evidence.Evidence from who is my first answer,then maybe you look at what they are saying having first looked at the first part of the question.Another factor is does it have enough credibility to even be talked about in the mainstream press or by journalists with credibility?
Some people answer to this approch is another vast conspiracy with people being controlled or affraid to even talk about it.Not in the present world in the US is my answer to that one.
So who is saying what,who is even bothering to dispute,if there is not even a SERIOUS dispute that tells me alot,and logically how likely is it to be true?
Now I could talk about thinks like the JFK assasination that does have serious dispute,although even here I think most reporters with good judgement will tell you the chance of more than one shooter is extremly remote,but at least there is lots of serious disagreement about that,and it is a subject not nearly as vulnerable to logic as the 9/1 conspiracy would be.
The issue of chemical issues with our troops in the middle east and enviremental damage in general has alot of serious dispute,but people seem to line up behing their political beliefs.No surprise a person who belives this thinks we are doing huge irreparable damage to mother earth.Lining up with pre concieved notions.
So is there a Bagdad?I say yes,millions to one.Consistent with ALL evidence.Were the Trade center buildings hit by other than commercial aircraft.No.Millions to one.Inconsistent with credible evidense and TOTALLY inconsistent with logic.Was there chemical damage to some troops?I think yes,some,thousands to one to one,but its probably VERY much more limited than many would belive.Was Oswald the lone assasian?I say yes,100 to
one,lots of you might think I am crazy on that one.As you can see I'm not big at all on conspiracy theories.
One of my friends,a woman,and I got in to a discussion of the assination.She was getting her evidence from the movie on the subject.I said you are taking your evidence from a story that is fictionalised,parts just totally made up. There may be more fiction running around on the internet than that.
Judegement is the question,based on current CREDIBIBLE evidence.My religious friend belives in Noah and the Ark.I do not,but I told him if they find that ark it will be a WHOLE differet story.Untill then I do not belive every species of life got on one boat,or that the world was totally flooded less than 6000 years ago,but then we get in to religion,which has a bigger effect on personal belief and judgement than anything I can think of.You are even told suspend your judgement.
Anybody got a chica story?Pete
Bob S:
... in response to But are US troops being poisioned ? Some..., posted by BenKramer1 on Dec 26, 2005
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BenKramer1:
... in response to Are we expected to read all that?, posted by Bob S on Dec 26, 2005
Hi Bob,You are right I should have only posted the most imortant part of the article along with the URL for thois that want to read more. Here it is:The United States used DU weapons (depleted uranium) in Afghanistan when there were little or no armored vehicles to dispose of in that invasion. The Taliban had no significant armored forces. DU weapons were created as anti-armor weapons. They have found DU in the soil samples in Afghanistan, in the drinking water and in human bodies. They have also found non-depleted uranium, very lethal and toxic and is strictly man-made. It is known to produce grotesque birth defects and that can occur when either the man or the woman have been exposed to DU or non-depleted uranium. However, they found something else.
When I learned that they found non-depleted uranium my first questions was whether or not it was indigenous or naturally occurring in that area. Maybe it could have been, so I asked.
The answer that I got was not what I expected. In addition to finding non-depleted uranium they have also found plutonium and U-236 that are both made in nuclear reactors and are not naturally occurring in nature. That [U-236] and plutonium are man-made elements and only possible in nuclear reactors. The United States has lots of plutonium and U-236 as a result of our weapons program and our nuclear power plants.
In making their DU bombs evidently they do not care if deadly U-236 and Plutonium Pl-239 are left in the DU. It could be removed but that would entail more work and cutting into someone's profit margin.
Heat:
... in response to Re: Are we expected to read all that?, posted by BenKramer1 on Dec 26, 2005
Dude stick to milking the cows..You failed in Cali and that is all the teat you will ever see.
BenKramer1:
... in response to The farm hand speaks out..............., posted by Heat on Dec 26, 2005
Elizabeth is a beautiful slender Calena that lives in San Antonio is waiting for me return to Cali, but she knows that I have to finish the first stage of the legal case I have been working on all year. She met Pete and his two roommates that were livng there at the time. We have been in email and phone contact since we met. Its time or you to get a brain and realize you dont know what you are talking about. Get a life and dont worry about mine !Ben
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