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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2018, 09:54:53 AM »

I am sure that many guys can speak Spanish - my point was we actually do speak Spanish all day severy day. So while I agree that many guys can speak Spanish, I doubt that it is part of their daily lives.

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You've mentioned that in her work and in general,  that your wife speaks little English. Perhapsthat necessitates you, as the person who's better picked up a second language to use it predominantly? Maybe she's like me, in that she has a difficult time picking up a new language. I couldn't even pick up on pig Latin as a kid on the playground...

I still coach my wife on pronunciation (at home it's probably more off, more relaxed than at her work) and I sometimes go over more important written business correspondence she writes.

My wife, on her own initiative,  has taken formal group classes for written and spoken English and done more one on one with Speech Pathologists, who offer free services through a m local University grad school.

But she still frets about her English capabilities,  as it's essentially English based, although now, LOL, as their ECommerce specialist, she's had to put her company's huge catalog of items into French, for their Quebec opertaions.

I guess where you live, English is less essential than where we do, but do you have mixed feelings about the situation?
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2018, 10:18:58 AM »
I have met dozens of gringos married to Colombianas they met in Colombia and almost all of them spoke Spanish at a conversational level. If a Colombiana hasn't put significant effort into learning English before you started dating her, that process usually won't begin until she actually gets stateside and realizes she can't communicate with a lot of people. What that usually means is if you want to build a healthy relationship where you and the Colombiana communicate well, you're going to have to teach yourself Spanish. This is what I've seen happen more times than not. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever known a Colombiana that started dating a gringo not knowing English, got engaged to him and learned to speak English before she got to the U.S. It just doesn't happen. So with respect to UC's point, I think speaking strictly Spanish in the home is much more common than you think....at least the first couple of years of marriage. I might be wrong.




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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #77 on: September 14, 2018, 12:32:44 PM »
I have met dozens of gringos married to Colombianas they met in Colombia and almost all of them spoke Spanish at a conversational level. If a Colombiana hasn't put significant effort into learning English before you started dating her, that process usually won't begin until she actually gets stateside and realizes she can't communicate with a lot of people. What that usually means is if you want to build a healthy relationship where you and the Colombiana communicate well, you're going to have to teach yourself Spanish. This is what I've seen happen more times than not. As a matter of fact, I don't think I've ever known a Colombiana that started dating a gringo not knowing English, got engaged to him and learned to speak English before she got to the U.S. It just doesn't happen. So with respect to UC's point, I think speaking strictly Spanish in the home is much more common than you think....at least the first couple of years of marriage. I might be wrong.


Fifteen years of nothing but Spanish. Hell sometimes I am watching TV or listening to the radio and I forget what language I am even listening to.


My real point though is how many gringo husbands even know who these people are: J Balvin, Maluma, Ozuna, Becky G, Natti Natasha, Bad Bunny, Nicky Jam? They stay in the gringo culture and never get out of it.

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #78 on: September 14, 2018, 03:38:40 PM »

It doesn't surprise me in the least. Most men who marry foreign wives are not interested in expanding their cultural horizons. I am probably the only gringo married to a Spanish speaking wife who actually speaks Spanish. Whenever I am at the Spanish language Mass I have never seen another gringo there ever. It kind of amuses the Mexican-Americans to see me there actually but they are always very polite.


A gringo absolutely must learn Spanish to understand their Spanish speaking wife or girlfriend.
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The video touches on some of the differences of the Spanish language at about the 4:15 mark.

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #79 on: September 17, 2018, 06:49:18 PM »
My amiga's "Care" quarterly package finally passed customs at Puerto Cruz this morning. Food, OTC medicines, toiletries, diapers, clothes, and shoes, even school supplies were delivered. A family member who emigrated 6 years ago has been organizing this for a number of years now.


One will know when things get really bad there when, if in the future, Venezuelan customs finally stops all influx of items from Venezuelan emigrants that live in other countries. Or tariffs rise so high it becomes impossible to ship.   

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #80 on: September 17, 2018, 08:20:26 PM »
My amiga's "Care" quarterly package finally passed customs at Puerto Cruz this morning. Food, OTC medicines, toiletries, diapers, clothes, and shoes, even school supplies were delivered. A family member who emigrated 6 years ago has been organizing this for a number of years now.


One will know when things get really bad there when, if in the future, Venezuelan customs finally stops all influx of items from Venezuelan emigrants that live in other countries. Or tariffs rise so high it becomes impossible to ship.   


What have you heard about (if even possible) sending USD$?


I hear because of all the (40,000%+) inflation and other related issues, that sending USD's isn't feasible--that as there's a shortage of their own money on hand there, the 'black market' to exchange USD's is better, but still extremely uneven, risky. Food, diapers, OTC medicines--I hear they really are hard to get.


My wife went home to the Philippines and she timed her 'care packages'--known as 'balikbayon boxes'--they must have weighed 250 pounds if they weighed an ounce--to arrive a week before she got there. That way, as 'returning princess' her luggage overage wasn't too bad.


But OTC meds like naproxen (Aleve) and things like Levis, Nikes, Adidas etc. are much, much cheaper in the USA. But that naproxen --they love it for aches and pains, so we sent a lot of that, along with a multitude of useful and some fun things "USA style"--clothes, electronic tablets, cell phones etc--a king's ransom in chocolate--they were very happy.


Besides--- their peso is weak, the USD is close to an all time high against it, so she was able to show them a 'good time on the town' while there. Still, for just about anything that's a USA brand, or any electronics, it was a lot cheaper to send it there than to exchange USDs to pesos and buy the same item there.


But Venezuela? Do you even get to--dare to visit her and her family yourself? I can't imagine the complications, the trying to visit, to try and get a fiancee or spousal visa--such a sad mess.


I wish we could carpet bomb their nation with pampers, OTC and needed pharm meds, candy bars, bread, potatoes, mac n cheese and spam......
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #81 on: Yesterday at 11:28:18 AM »
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I wish we could carpet bomb their nation with pampers, OTC and needed pharm meds, candy bars, bread, potatoes, mac n cheese and spam......

Now this reminds me of a scene from the movie "El Cid" where  The Cid (not Sid Cherise) is laying siege to Valencia controlled by the Moors. In a key scene he yells out to the besieged within the walls: "I do not bring you fire and the sword. I bring you BREAD!!!!!". And the trebuchets are let loose filled with loaves of bread. After the bread lands withing the walls and the populace find the bread lying in the streets, the Moorish Caliph is overthrown by the mob. Great Scene.

All items mentioned by Robert, it would "turn the tide" so to speak and I would include chocolates for the hembras especially. ;)  It is too bad our enlightened politicos do not take a lesson from history and try it. Imagine Trump 'tweeting' such a message similar to El Cid's. And then following through with it. But no!!!! There is no great profit margin in dropping 'bread' instead of bombs.
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #82 on: Yesterday at 03:02:45 PM »
robert angel wrote:
Now this reminds me of a scene from the movie "El Cid" where  The Cid (not Sid Cherise) is laying siege to Valencia controlled by the Moors. In a key scene he yells out to the besieged within the walls: "I do not bring you fire and the sword. I bring you BREAD!!!!!". And the trebuchets are let loose filled with loaves of bread. After the bread lands withing the walls and the populace find the bread lying in the streets, the Moorish Caliph is overthrown by the mob. Great Scene.

All items mentioned by Robert, it would "turn the tide" so to speak and I would include chocolates for the hembras especially. ;)  It is too bad our enlightened politicos do not take a lesson from history and try it. Imagine Trump 'tweeting' such a message similar to El Cid's. And then following through with it. But no!!!! There is no great profit margin in dropping 'bread' instead of bombs.

Yea, be nice to help and probably in doing so, placate the people with food and other non military aid, but the 'powers that be' in other nations, including the USA, sure would love to have some leverage and control over their vast petrol reserves, so guess that's not happening.

I hear the machinery in Venezuela, their means of production for bringing up, refining and exporting oil, is falling, rusting apart, but just how accurate the news is today is anybody's question.

I do know from guys who work in the oil business in the USA, especially just off shore, that when we hit oil, we usually cap it to save for later.

It's just a lot more practical to dance with other nation's leaders and get most of theirs--- the world's oil overseas, while they're still plentiful and it's cheaper for us than it is in most nations.

Guess we're waiting Maduro's tenure out, sort of smoking out a fox, albeit by squeezing the Venezuelan populace to make them apply exit pressure....

Then again, you don't see proportionate USA, or international in general aid--- humanitarian assistance for nations like Venezuela, although in the past, China and the Russians have done more. 

I can't see Cuba being of major help in Venezuela. I wonder what China's doing, because they've got their hands all over S. America, with major infrastructure projects. The moneys, if not majority ownership of such projects are tightly controlled by the Chinese and will remain so long after the projects are complete. I don't think S. American nations, or some Asian nations like the Philippines, know what they re doing dealing with, thinking  that by getting some aid 'gratis' from the Chinese, that there's not serious debt and long lasting control-- 'strings' attached. A deal with the devil, perhaps...

Meanwhile, we're saving our own oil for when it's really much more valuable. I bet it's cheaper, even with oil sands and fracking USA and Canadian oil, to import crude oil instead of bringing up, refining and storing our own domestically. Certainly cheaper and more advantageous long term.

Oddly, the news I hear is that Maduro has been rejecting humanitarian aid from the IMF, as he feels they're too close to the USA, but again, who the hell knows?

Hard to imagine, given description of hardships.

I am thinking whoever might succeed when Maduro is 'exited' may be about the same or worse. Although Venezuela is relatively sophisticated, they still, like S. America in general, tend to put 'strong man' dictator types in charge during such times. S. American mindset?

Hell, in the USA, we tend to elect politicians with the big hair, with capped, veneered teeth, guys who look like game show hosts and have millions in campaign donations (from donors they're later obligated to) to spend on  advertising. And almost always, the politician who spends, who advertises the most, wins. Sad. Are we any better than S. America in that regard?

Have you thought seriously of visiting there?

The below link on Venezuela and the IMF appears dated, as last time I heard, the inflation date was an astounding 40,000%+originally

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela_and_the_International_Monetary_Fund

Reminds me almost of post WWI Germany. Inflation got so bad then that it actually became more economical to burn paper money to heat, to provide fire for stoves and cook, than it was to bundle up money into wheel barrows and use it to buy actual firewood or a loaf of bread.
 
I have some half billion mark paper money around the house somewhere. Be nice if they still honored that currency!I

I have an odd hobby. I collect money from nations that have experienced regime change and have discontinued a given currency.

I'm the 1970s, the Khemer Rouge, in what is now Cambodia, banned the production, the mere thought of 'money'-- but the communist Chinese briefly minted-- produced a Khmer Rouge paper currency for them anyway and I have some.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge

Small wonder that the desperate post WWI German population looked for a charismatic, messiah like appearing, nationalistic leader, who eventually led them into WWII.

So much has changed, yet history continues to repeat itself.
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