Good Riddance!

[thekfc]

The Obama administration wrestled on Tuesday with releasing what it called a gruesome image of Osama bin Laden's corpse..................But, signaling an intense internal debate was under way, the White House insisted no decision had yet been taken and noted the graphic nature of the imagery.......................There are sensitivities here in terms of the appropriateness of releasing photographs of Osama bin Laden............
"What we don't want to do is to release anything that might be either misunderstood or that would cause other problems," said President Barack Obama's top counter-terrorism adviser, John Brennan..............Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein acknowledged some value in releasing images to provide proof that bin Laden was dead. But at the same time, she said: "I just don't see a need to do it," pointing to the DNA evidence.

[dennislevy]

Im thrilled that Bin laden was kiilled...and by American soldiers It s a signal that the US has the resolve to get soemthing done...althought it took more then 9 years after 911.

What is ironic is that this supposed terrorisit mastermind made the stupidest mistake in trying to stay undetected. The mansion and gated compund had high walls and barbed wire, but it was in an open space and there was plenty of roomfor  an assulat strike team to land. He mistook gates and barbed wire and high walls for protection and personal security

It would have harder for the US to get at him, if he had chosen to live in a neighborhood of large homes in a large Pakistani city but with streets and neighbors on both sides ..he would have remained anonymous...and if we had had the same intlelligence about the couriers..... to get at him, our only option would have been a rocket targeted at the house.

But he s dead.....and thats what is important!

[fathertime]

My opinion is evolving on the subject of OBL’s death.  At first I was angry about the body (evidence) being destroyed without letting the American people see it and verify it was true.  I find that dumping the body was a very odd thing to do and it makes it appear that something doesn’t wash with the story we are being told.   My thoughts now are that bin laden was probably killed that day, but we will now be subjected to decades of doubts/ conspiracies and I don’t think those doubts should be entirely dismissed.   The govt. didn’t have to secretly dispose of that body in private, obozo was big on being “TRANSPARENT” well this was pretty much the polar opposite of that.  I get the feeling that at least a part of this whole thing is political jockeying and people that have doubts will be mocked.


Now we are being told that maybe (if we are good)   we will see a picture of the body soon.  Well if we are shown pictures now, all that will do is inflame the islamic extremists, which was supposedly exactly what obozo was trying not to when he washed and dumped OBL’s body in the ocean.  In theory it makes no sense to show pictures now, because conspiracy theorists believe OBL was dead a while ago and these photos will likely only verify that he is dead, but not answer the question of when it happened and under what circumstances. 


The media has been quite distracted by all of this, so what else has been happening in the interim.  I know that western embassies were being burned to the ground in Libya (the country we are supposedly liberating),    the day OBL was killed.  I haven’t heard a thing about that since, among other quite negative stories.   


 Bottom line, I've been conditioned not to trust much of what I hear without seeing for myself.


Fathertime!

[Ray]

  FT,
 
I guess you can forget about those photos being released.
 
Obozo, at the urging of Hillary, has decided that they will not release the photos. So now you’ll have to wait until someone inside leaks them to the National Inguirer (for a couple million) or until the Carl Vinson docks and the sailors start posting their own gruesome photos on the Net.
 
Obozo is so concerned that the stinking jihadist a-holes that hate us so much, would then hate us even more I guess. BFD! I say let the stinking little jihadists get their blood pressure way up there while whipping themselves and screaming in the streets like hysterical drunken whores. It is worth it if a couple of them have a stroke and die on the spot.
 
Obozo could have had big momentum out of this operation, but now he is back to the sniveling little coward who worries about offending some Muslims in Pakistan or Palestine.
 
Ray
　

[fathertime]

WOW!


Just 10 minutes after my post, Obozo announces he WILL NOT release the photos of OBL....What Bullshyt! 

I really think it is not smart for us to show so much trust for our leaders, had there been a larger outcry he would have been forced to release the photos!


Fathertime!

[fathertime]

Well Ray,


I'm not happy with his decision to hide the photos from us.  I mean who the hell is this guy, acting like we need to eat all our vegetables before we are giving our treat of the released photos.  I think this is an outrage, and I'm somewhat outraged that more Americans don't also see this as an outrage. 


All we are left with is the photo of the leaders in the war room with concerned looks on their faces and a bunch of people telling us stories.  I was prepared to give obozo the benefit of the doubt on this one before this pussy decision of his. 


I really think we have to entertain the idea that this whole circus didn't go down the way we are being told it did.  I would enjoy hearing some different opinions on this, in light of the decision not to show the supposed photos. 


Fathertime!

[Researcher]

          Hey FT, not trusting the government is a good thing.John Adams said in 1772, "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." Many people don't believe alot of what the government tells us and I think that is a good thing. If we believed everything we were told then the government would do whatever it wanted. At least we get the chance to throw the bums out every few years.

            I just hope it's true and they seized those computers like they said. There should be some good info there to help bust up Al Queda.

       Researcher

[thekfc]

Sen. Lindsey Graham, called the decision a "mistake."
“The whole purpose of sending our soldiers into the compound, rather than an aerial bombardment, was to obtain indisputable proof of bin Laden’s death...... the best way to protect and defend our interests overseas is to prove that fact to the rest of the world.”

Sarah Palin,  “Show photo as warning to others seeking America’s destruction........No pussy-footing around, no politicking, no drama; it’s part of the mission.”

 

[fathertime]

How about some original thoughts KFC.  What is YOUR opinion on about the pictures?  The politicians viewpoints are already out there. 


If I were a candidate running against obozo in 2012, I would tell the voters that if I’m elected I am going to release these photos.  That type of pressure might force obozo to release these photos or maybe he would just have them destroyed permanently.  I would not have blamed obozo for trumpeting the killing a little bit, but instead he is withholding a lot of information and doing things in secret at a time when trust in govt. is at an all time low.  I tell ya, it just doesn’t make sense to me, but it seems to make sense to the rest of you all, so it would be easy to conclude that I’m the one asking for outrageous things.     


Fathertime!

[jm21-2]

I could see some reasons to not release the photos. Maybe it's pretty obvious form the photos he was shot while unarmed/unresisting or execution style. That could potentially be bad PR to our allies and might explain the quick disposal. Or what if there's a dead little girl in the background that got caught in the crossfire?


Sure, I'd like to see the photo but 1. I can understand wanting to manage the nation's reputation, and 2. I don't think it's really that big of a deal. Those groups are so broken up into autonomous branches and sects that the impact on global terrorism is probably almost nothing. I'm tired of hearing about it on the news really. What, some suicide bomber is going to say "oh, I would run up to that building tomorrow with dynamite strapped to me and blow it up....but 10 years from now the US might spend enormous resources to track down and kill me..."


What if you run saying "i'm going to release those photos" then you look at them and say "holy [snip], no way can we release those photos!" There's some reason they have bad mojo, enough that some pretty intelligent people don't want to release them, and that would be a risky path....


If you heard about all the training they did for this kill, add up all the costs involved, all to kill one old guy on dialysis who is sitting next to our "ally's" military training facility....and take into consideration all the experts seem to agree that this will have basically no impact....it really should send a message that these middle east endeavors are incredibly retarded wastes of money. That's about all I get out of it. And all of this while people are struggling and our economy is screwed up. I actually find it a rather disgusting waste of money. I understand this is symbolic for most people but it just doesn't seem worth the cost to me.

[thekfc]

The White House decided not to release any pictures because the photo was gruesome and could prove inflammatory.

Too gruesome for who? Not for the terrorist ~ they show/post beheading, hangings, stoning to death & all other so called gruesome images on tv & the internet.
The pictures could prove inflammatory? Ain't they going to be inflame by his death?
What do you think the terrorist are going to say? are they going to say "thank you" for not showing the picture?
I like to know how not showing the photos is going to deter these extremists from hating us less or deter them from attacking one of our interest.

We are suppose to be fighting to stop terrorist ~ not to appease them.

Osama bin Laden is/was the most wanted man on the planet, we killed him, his death could be use to demoralize and divide his followers.

So if the pics were too gruesome, what about the burial? It is not being release either.
What about a picture from the Navy Seals's helmet cam showing the fear on bin Laden face before he is gun down.

All we got were pics of the President, the Vice President & members of his national security team in the situation room ~ what were they watching? As far as we know they could have beem watching the movie "Saw 3D".
We do not know what went on or what happen ~ all we know is what President Obama tell us.

In this day & age,  I expect the picture (s) will eventually show up on the internet anyway.

Forget the damn pictures ~ I want to see the video. 

[jm21-2]

Maybe we'll see a "leak" of the pics in a while....

[Researcher]

WOW!


Just 10 minutes after my post, Obozo announces he WILL NOT release the photos of OBL....What Bullshyt! 

I really think it is not smart for us to show so much trust for our leaders, had there been a larger outcry he would have been forced to release the photos!


Fathertime!

        Hey FT, I'm beginning to think that you don't have any confidence in the president....

                                                 


           Researcher

[dennislevy]

If bin Laden head was so badlly mutilated, I read that there was an enormous gaping hole in his forehead...it might make it very hard for the average Joe in the street to recognize or be satisifed that the gruesome photos was inded of Bin laden

I cant imagine the top military and civilian leaders in the US posing for a staged photo of them looking at nothing. Some of Obamas administraiton are political enemies, (Hilary Clinton) and Robert Gates the Secretary of Defense is a hold over from Republican adminstrations. Thes people are nOT going to let themself be manipulated.

The raid DID happen and Bin Laden was killed. if he wasn t killed and Bin Laden is still alive at any time he could expose the lie with a video tape. ifhehad been killed oir died some time ago, why wouldthe US delay announcing his death.....the politicla cpaital was just to immense to squander or delay

Interestingly enough this is the SECOND time that the US has killed an enemy who concieved of a a large scale attack on American soil. In 1943 after breaking a Japanese naval code, American military intelligence learned that Admiral Isoroku Yamomoto was making an inspection tour of Japanese naval bases. His plane was intercepted and shot down by American naval aviators. Yamamoto had concieved of the idea of attacking Pearl Harbor. Japan broke the news of the death of Yamamoto and the US acknowledged.

[thekfc]

The world's most wanted man - killed and vanished without a trace in less than 24 hours.

[whitey]

I was a big supporter of the 2nd Iraq invasion after 9/11, but when most of the reasons for the invasion turned out to be lies or greatly exaggerated, I lost all faith in the US gov't, and in the US press who jumped on the patriotism bandwagon and offered VERY little constructive and necessary criticism of the gov'ts actions.

I guess I was pretty naive ... I didn't think the American gov't in the 21st century would lie so boldly to the American public and to the world, and think they could get away with it ... which effectively they have.

So ... has Bin Laden been recently killed, or has he been dead for several years?  Who knows?  One thing I'm sure of is we'll never know what's really been happening for the last few years.

Regarding proof and releasing the photos ... the sensitivity there is pretty ironic.  The other day I was sitting in a beauty salon, waiting for my $COP3.000 haircut, and leafing through Q'Hubo (which is like the Barranquilla version of the National Enquirer).  Almost every story contained a graphic photo of a dead body, or someone who had been beaten to a pulp.

The network news here is "slightly" more "sensitive" ... they will often blur the image of the corpse a little.

[thekfc]

I am not denying that bin Laden is not dead - I think that he is dead but the circumstances of his death are questionable.

Originally, the White House said that bin Laden was killed in a fire fight & they (al-qaida) use women as a human shield.

Now the Pentagon have backed away from earlier suggestions that bin Laden and others had used women as human shields during the fighting.

First they said that the Navy SEALs came under heavy small-arms fire in a prolonged firefight.

Now this is the updates story:
Four of the five people shot to death in the operation that killed Osama bin Laden, including the al-Qaida leader himself, were unarmed and never fired a shot.

On the first floor of bin Laden’s building, two al-Qaida couriers were killed, along with a woman who was killed in crossfire, Bin Laden and his family were found on the second and third floor of the building.

There was concern that bin Laden would oppose the capture operation, and indeed, he did resist. 
In the room with bin Laden, a woman, bin Laden’s wife, rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg, but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed.  He was not armed.

So what actually happening during the raid on the official compound? The story keeps evolving.

SEAL Team Six did show something about that operation -  That the US Navy Seals are the best in the world.

[thekfc]

So ... has Bin Laden been recently killed, or has he been dead for several years?  Who knows?  One thing I'm sure of is we'll never know what's really been happening for the last few years.

My imaginary friends may not be real, but they sure bring up some good questions:

Was bin Laden already dead before the raid?
Osama always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with - this is a guy with an ego the size of an ocean. 
Why have he remained silent for so long? When was the last time we heard from him?
If he had previously died, why haven't his followers come forward? Is it to keep his "legend" alive?

Are there going to be any tapes from bin Laden to dispute his death? the answer is no, the guy is dead!

Btw, my imaginary friends are conspiracy theorists. 

[Gromit]

        Hey FT, I'm beginning to think that you don't have any confidence in the president....

                                                 


       

In light of your recent post Researcher I would suggest a new and improved avatar for you.

[fathertime]

If you heard about all the training they did for this kill, add up all the costs involved, all to kill one old guy on dialysis who is sitting next to our "ally's" military training facility....and take into consideration all the experts seem to agree that this will have basically no impact....it really should send a message that these middle east endeavors are incredibly retarded wastes of money. That's about all I get out of it. And all of this while people are struggling and our economy is screwed up. I actually find it a rather disgusting waste of money. I understand this is symbolic for most people but it just doesn't seem worth the cost to me.

Don't forget that we had to blow up that high tech helicopter!  I wonder what the cost of that thing was. 
 
I think ALabamaboy said somewhere recently about the costs of these types of wars and how unnecessary it is.  I got to agree with both you and him on this one.  I wouldn't be surprised if we have spent over a trillion on these wars and I'm not seeing the benefits.  One thing for sure is that it has contributed to the ruins of our economy. 
I believe UBL has died, maybe he died of natural causes maybe we killed him last week, I don't know.  Why we invaded and blew up entire countries and tried to rebuild them is not something that I think was necessary. 
 
Like whitey I was a supporter of the invasion of iraq, as it turns out it was predicated on a lot of bs.  Some people knew this and I was arguing strongly FOR the war. In retrospect I was entirely wrong and my friends were right.
 
I'm still having a hard time with the body being quickly dumped, I'm not buying all the constantly shifting reasoning, but for now enough of the public is buying it so we will not get the ugly truth and that sorta bothers me. 
 
Fathertime!
 

[dennislevy]

bin laden conceived and Al Quaeda funded 911, he was responsible for the USS Cole, for the bombing of American embassies....he was a sworn and avowed enemy of the United States

It was more then symbolic.....he HAD to be tracked down and brought to justice...and he was. And he if was capped in the head by a SEAL and he didnt have a gun in his hand...too bad....

the victims of 911 and the embassies never had a warning. 

I thought Bush 41 made some disastrous decisions in the first Gulf War.....Korea and Vietman should have taught us that if you go to war...and you commit your resources, and the lives of your men and women YOU MUST FIGHT TO WIN, that means to destroy the will of the enemy to resist.....not to restore the status quo not to protect another country and then withdraw, not to fight a police action......We had defeated Iraq militarily, we should have kept going to Baghdad taken out Saddam and the second war which was a disastrous mistake by Bush 43 would not have happened. We let Saddam and his regime survive.. and that was a very expensive mistake.

Finally for all the conspiracy theorists, my question is WHY? WHAT IS THE REASON FOR A COVER UP OF BIN LADEN S  DEATH? ?

[thekfc]

Conspiracy Theorist where are you guy?

Oh wait, one of my imaginary friends is responding, he said:

~ Vengence & to appease the American people: It would be more "rewarding" to say that we killed him than to say that he died of an illness.
~ War on terror: He was kept him "alive" in the public minds to keep the war on terror in full force. It also gives us a reason to be in certain places.
~ Political weapon: Leaders of nations have used killing and/or the exploitation of death as a political weapon? 

Can anyone name a 20th Century United States President who has not been involved in some war or conflict (domestic or international)?

Now seriously, as I have stated before, I think that bin Laden is dead.  When or how? I do not know. The point is - he is dead!!

As for my views on the media & the political leaders, I have this to say:
There is a reason behind everything. never take what you see or what you are told for granted, never assume and question everything.

[Researcher]

Conspiracy Theorist where are you guy?

Oh wait, one of my imaginary friends is responding, he said:

~ Vengence & to appease the American people: It would be more "rewarding" to say that we killed him than to say that he died of an illness.
~ War on terror: He was kept him "alive" in the public minds to keep the war on terror in full force. It also gives us a reason to be in certain places.
~ Political weapon: Leaders of nations have used killing and/or the exploitation of death as a political weapon? 

Can anyone name a 20th Century United States President who has not been involved in some war or conflict (domestic or international)?

Now seriously, as I have stated before, I think that bin Laden is dead.  When or how? I do not know. The point is - he is dead!!

As for my views on the media & the political leaders, I have this to say:
There is a reason behind everything. never take what you see or what you are told for granted, never assume and question everything.

                              KFC, where do you get your info?...


                                                 


            Researcher

[euforia51]

...
Don't forget that we had to blow up that high tech helicopter! I wonder what the cost of that thing was. 
 
I think ALabamaboy said somewhere recently about the costs of these types of wars and how unnecessary it is.  I got to agree with both you and him on this one.  I wouldn't be surprised if we have spent over a trillion on these wars and I'm not seeing the benefits.  One thing for sure is that it has contributed to the ruins of our economy.

From an article written in 2003:
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/03/1041196778600.html
And more recently from:
http://www.npr.org/2011/05/05/136030444/whats-al-qaidas-next-strategy?ft=1&f=1122

May 5, 2011
Osama bin Laden's death calls the future of al-Qaida into question. But terrorism expert Daveed Gartenstein-Ross suggests that al-Qaida itself is alive and well — and continuing bin Laden's core strategy against America. What's the strategy? Bankrupting America. Melissa Block speaks to Gartenstein-Ross, who directs the Center for the Study of Terrorist Radicalization and is author of the forthcoming book, "Why Al Qaeda Is Winning."

I heard a snippet from the author of this book who is suggesting al-qaeda is attempting, or at least taking much credit, for the systematic bankrupting of America. He partially relates our current dilemma to when the Soviets were involved in their own 10 year long ordeal in Afghanistan in the 1980s only to finally leave the country defeated and broke to the point of collapsing under its own weight. We all know what happened after that ... FSU (Former Soviet Union).
Could the same be said in our case? Perhaps the real war with al-qaeda is at least partially a financial bloodbath that cannot be won with our stealthy helicopters. And what do our elected leaders do? More of the same ... spin the truth ... point fingers ... and continue to bicker back and forth over whether or not to release photos of some dead boogie man.

[Researcher]

   I disagree with you Euforia.Our financial problems came about because of dumbarses who borrowed more money than they could afford and the banks that lent them the money.On that front we seem to be doing our ownselves in without any help from terrorists.


      Researcher