America Feels Ready To Snap

[fathertime]

These tea party candidates may actually save us from a revolution, if enough of them get elected.  They all get labeled as racists because they support strict border enforcement.  I like how they don't equivocate for political reasons.

Fathertime!

[Researcher]

These tea party candidates may actually save us from a revolution, if enough of them get elected.  They all get labeled as racists because they support strict border enforcement.  I like how they don't equivocate for political reasons.

Fathertime!

  Liberals try to label anyone who opposes them as some type of negative stereotype.This doesn't help their case because more people are starting to realize that we need to put aside "political correctness" and get down to solving problems.


  Researcher

[william3rd]

If they renew those tax cuts for everyone, then I will have to think about the tea party

[Jeff S]

Calling someone a racist is the new way to call someone a dooty-head; childish and immature, but the unfortunate part is that, like Aesop's little boy who cried wolf, it trivializes real racism.

[Bob_S]

But but but, those damned Tea Baggers don't think we should be putting our grandchildren in debt to pay for expanding government payrolls and pension obligations, so they MUST be racist!   

[robert angel]

You guys probably notice I don't pipe in too much about politics, and i don't know a whole lot about these Tea baggers, but from the outside looking in, they seem to me to be knee jerking, ultra right wingers. Then again I think Sara Palin is a hoot, a contrived, wind up Republican doll.

That said, with the state our union --err 'disunion'? is in, I'd probably vote for Barry Goldwater, or better yet--Eisenhower--who died before I was born I think--if they could bring them back to life. I don't see anybody who looks promising and even if I did--Washington DC has some black magic way of turning strong, smart people stupid, ineffective, or worse.

As a kid, I lived in DC for a couple years in Georgetown, when my Dad was with the Justice Dept., and we used to go to 'pic nics' in Montrose park and I used to get wind burn from those assholian politicians that used to show up. I didn't like em any better then than now and moving to Detroit was a real step up the food chain for us...

I heard Ike was kind of like Ronald Reagan--he surrounded himself with effective 'get it done' --'can do' kind of guys and they didn't want ANY problem or crisis put on their desk that couldn't fit on a single page or less. And it worked!

I guess with the way I write, I'd have lasted about 30 minutes with those guys....

"Politicians are like diapers--they're often full of S__T --and they should be changed often"

[fathertime]

You guys probably notice I don't pipe in too much about politics, and i don't know a whole lot about these Tea baggers, but from the outside looking in, they seem to me to be knee jerking, ultra right wingers. Then again I think Sara Palin is a hoot, a contrived, wind up Republican doll.

Hey Robert!

You may be the type of person that can be reasoned with.  Perhaps you haven't followed politics too closely and that has helped you remain sane. 

The people supporting the tea party are big on stopping illegal immigration and governmental fiscal responsibility, among other things.  Only in a society as profoundly eff'ed up as ours is becoming, could that be considered ultra right wing.   

I just read an article today discussing how the the democratic senators are going to try to shove through another partial amnesty for illegals bill to what is SUPPOSED to be a defense bill.  Given their power in numbers for the next few months, they might be able to pull it off.  This is dead against what the populace of this nation want, nevertheless currently we are powerless to stop it.  If this new amnesty bill is such a great idea, it should be able to stand on it's own and not be attached to a bill that almost has to be passed for national defense.   Hopefully the republicans hold the line and don't cave in.  Not only do I disagree with the content of the bill but also with the manner in which it is trying to be rammed through. 

Fathertime!

[Ray]

...i don't know a whole lot about these Tea baggers, but from the outside looking in, they seem to me to be knee jerking, ultra right wingers. Then again I think Sara Palin is a hoot, a contrived, wind up Republican doll.

You’re absolutely right Robert. You don’t know a whole lot, and I think your problem is that you are ‘looking in from the outside’ of reality through the eyes of a bunch of leftist commie Democrats who are absolutely scared to death of the Tea Party folks and Sarah Palin because they don’t want uninformed folks like you to hear the truth.

May I suggest that you turn off NBC, put down the New York Slimes, and ignore the rest of the leftist media for long enough to think for yourself and form your own opinions without parroting the Democrat Party line on these fine folks?

Thanks…

Ray

[Researcher]

    Washington politicians are owned and ran by big money lobbyists and have been for sometime now.It's getting harder for them to hide as things deteriorate in this country.I'm glad to see the anti-establishment movement going on now, even though it looks like we may need to start over from scratch.I don't believe anything the politicians say, especially when they say that what they are doing is for our own good.


  Researcher

[robert angel]

Hey Ray,

Re;  >>You’re absolutely right Robert. You don’t know a whole lot, and I think your problem is that you are ‘looking in from the outside’ of reality through the eyes of a bunch of leftist commie Democrats who are absolutely scared to death of the Tea Party folks and Sarah Palin because they don’t want uninformed folks like you to hear the truth.

May I suggest that you turn off NBC, put down the New York Slimes, and ignore the rest of the leftist media for long enough to think for yourself and form your own opinions without parroting the Democrat Party line on these fine folks?<<

And as in your usual delicate way, you say 'I'm looking in from the outside'-- I'm not sure if I want to be in with you, or any one party or affiliation, 'on the inside' with anyone. 

I think the Spanish, especially the Cubans in Florida, have done a great job of getting what they want by not allowing the politicians to think they were 'in or out' with any one person or party. They mix it up and keep them all guessing, while these politicians struggle to pander their interests.


I don't tune in any more to NBC, the NYT than I do FOX, etc. Ray--do you watch FOX the most or is that a favorite? I find it more entertaining than informative.


If any, I sort of lean towards watching or listening to CNN & HLN -- HeadlineNews. If I'm going to leave 'something' running in the background, it's probably HLN. But really, I read , watch and listen national news and international views and news from all over the place.

And I listen to people who I find intelligent and of sound mind and disposition, from all sources.

Got a good chuckle where you say I'm " looking in from the outside’ of reality through the eyes of a bunch of leftist commie Democrats'.

And if I'm a 'parrot' as you indicate, I must be a hell of a good ventriloquist, because I do listen and discuss many different viewpoints, but I don't really find P-L the place where I enjoy this sort of discourse nor do I personally find it appropriate to spout any political agenda here. It's just not what I come here for, generally. I can see immigration concerns and the politics that effect them, as having more of a political 'venue' place here, but even there, those discusions often tend to flame and/or go nowhere.

Anyone who's an extremist, from any direction, worries me a bit, but the longer I live, the more I tend to move towards supporting what might people call the 'conservative right'
Nonetheless I find myself thinking more and more, that we need a variety of types to 'shake things up' and the Tea Party is great for this and whether or not I know a lot about any one political school of thought, politician, person or group, I think we need choices -- a wider variety --more--if not to worry the current 'powers that be' out of their complacency, including not just the politicians, but also the wealthy and powerful people, who tend to pull their strings and pay the lobbyists.

The more politicians we have from different angles, the harder it will be for the rich to 'cover all the bases'. Right now, I see a lot of the wealthy giving generous contributions and getting their employees to 'fall in line' to cover BOTH the Democrat and Republican candidates, 'doubling' their 'bets'.

A basic two party system, which is pretty much what we've had for a while, despite a few brief flashes in the pan that some might site to say I'm wrong, makes that too easy to end up with 'more of the same'.

Hell, if Mexico was able to break out of what I seem to recall was near a century of one party political domination, maybe we can do the same, breaking with what's currently basically a two party dominated system

Like the news in the USA has become much less varied in focus, where we now have a nation that whether  a group might narrow mindedly be defined as left or right,  it doesn't tend to vocally protest and raise hell--we need some shaking up of the status quo and the more parties and people we can invite into the situation, the better off we'll all be.

So there, Ray, you ole battle axe----as typical, I've written enough for you to cut and paste and put into whatever context you please and as first and foremost I personally find this (P-L)a venue of free speech, just because I don't find this a place where I like to discuss politics any more than I do in my everyday life--I am not saying anybody else should follow my lead. They and 'we' can go our own way, whatever that may be.

[michaelb]

I just read an article today discussing how the the democratic senators are going to try to shove through another partial amnesty for illegals bill to what is SUPPOSED to be a defense bill.  Given their power in numbers for the next few months, they might be able to pull it off.  This is dead against what the populace of this nation want, nevertheless currently we are powerless to stop it.  If this new amnesty bill is such a great idea, it should be able to stand on it's own and not be attached to a bill that almost has to be passed for national defense.   Hopefully the republicans hold the line and don't cave in.  Not only do I disagree with the content of the bill but also with the manner in which it is trying to be rammed through. 

Fathertime!

I agree, not just on this bill but on ALL of them. I hate it when somebody attaches 'riders' (read earmarked pork for the homefolks, and/or junk like this, which, as you pointed out won't stand on its own).

[Bob_S]

And as in your usual delicate way, you say 'I'm looking in from the outside'-- I'm not sure if I want to be in with you, or any one party or affiliation, 'on the inside' with anyone. 

Maybe I misunderstood, but I took it to mean an outsider as in someone outside the impact of unchecked illegal immigration and profligate leftwing wasteful spending.  As I recall, don't you live in an area dominated by mostly either Repubs or Reagan Democrats?  When your kids go to school, do they fear every day that they might not make it home that day because they may get caught in the crossfire of an MS-13 junior wannabe gun fight?  Has your wife ever had to wait 9 effing hours for treatment at the emergency room while suffering from a painful infection (even though you have insurance and are a paying customer)?  Are cops in your town afraid to arrest drunken violent thugs because they might get sued for Political Incorrectness?  Does your state drive business out of state, then turn around and raise your taxes to fund their ever expanding budgets?  If you answer No to any of these, you are on the outside, and be grateful you are.  The Left Coast is dead.    If you want to sell to the CA market, you set up shop in AZ or NV first, then export to CA.  But for gawd's sake, don't be fool enough to actually open a business here.  You'll be targeted and punished.  And I'll tell you this, I'll gladly trade you half of our politicians, your choice, for half of yours randomly selected.

[robert angel]

Bob_S,

Maybe I did take what Ray said out of context, but I do stand by what I had to say, although I did get a little 'smart ass' with Ray back there, which if I did read him wrong was unfortunate.

But cripes, if anybody can take it and double dish deserving (or not) crap to someone dissing him, it's Ray--lol. The bloke's no shrinking lily, that's for sure..

So, you and I know you don't feel you have to stand up for Ray--I kinda figured that when I checked back  in here, I'd get an eye full from him!

Wow, you listed a whole litany of political  and social ills and we for sure have all that in SE Georgia, but in differing degrees.  A lot of all that depends on where you live and for sure, there are places not far from us that are virtual war zones. Five people were killed in a relatively small, single home neighborhood in the first month of school--all shot dead within a short walk of the High School my son would attend if he doesn't get into the Honor's Academy like my older son did.

I don't think cops here are scared of anyone--lately in fact, they're going about crazy with their taser guns, zapping a mentally challenged teen they thought was drunk and a lady who was upset with her children and wanted to be left alone. The cops here are often a bit on the 'red neck with guns' side of things and a lot of them get hired and fired pretty quickly.

I have heard of people sitting in ER's hereabouts for hours unattended while illegal aliens were attended to first and that's plain wrong, as was me finding out years after I bought my house that my home's half assed construction was probably due to illegal Mexicans, who took orders from an American boss, who couldn't speak Spanish and none of them cared about quality--they wanted it done fast.

We spend millions trying to attract foreign businesses by developing uber expensive mega sites--pre prepared, with tax breaks in place and then we get 500 + employee Asian and Euro companies opening up plants elsewhere--including auto plants. It's inexplicable why--some companies pick sites 10-20 miles away from the mega sites.

We get all these one cent sales tax increases, that fools vote in on promises that are never, or very much later, if at all, fulfilled in the most half baked manner. Then the utility companies get raise after raise towards 'future' plans, approved by a select few politicians and our property taxes go up while values go down to the point where renting an apt. or condo is starting to make more sense.

About the only area of business I'd think has a good chance of success is in the now privatized building and running of our state and local prison systems--after all, the USA does have the highest percentage of it's population in jail in the world, and GA is right up there with Texas in % of its population incarcerated.
Then again, the good old boys around here arrrange to see who gets those gravy jobs and the schools and government routinely choose bidders who are not the best or most cost effective. They choose who they want and I'm not "inside" there...

[Ray]

Oh Robert, quit your whining already.

And as in your usual delicate way, you say 'I'm looking in from the outside'-- I'm not sure if I want to be in with you, or any one party or affiliation, 'on the inside' with anyone.

But you’re the one who used the term “from the outside looking in” in your post:

i don't know a whole lot about these Tea baggers, but from the outside looking in, they seem to me to be knee jerking, ultra right wingers.

You claim that you don’t want to be affiliated with anyone party, BUT you repeat the leftist Democrat party line when you use terms like “Tea Baggers” and “knee jerking, ultra right wingers”, which is exactly the typical leftist nonsense that I can hear on MSNBC, CNN, NBC, or any of the other liberal mouthpieces out there.

And I never suggested that you join me or any one party, only that you stop believing everything that you hear from the leftist media and think for yourself!

…but I don't really find P-L the place where I enjoy this sort of discourse nor do I personally find it appropriate to spout any political agenda here. It's just not what I come here for, generally.

That’s all fine and good Robert, but since YOU chose to spout the political agenda of the left, why are you whining about getting a response to your political diatribe?

Ray

[robert angel]

Ray--I don't know why you feel I'm stuck on some leftist political agenda and I've said a number of times that what we get in the press and visual media (news) is the gruel that's fed to that media and then 'edited' even further. Right or left, it inevitable has some spin or slant that I am very hesitant to buy into. I am cynical of many, many things in regards to the USA, the media and to life in general.

The only 'whine' you're likely to get out of me is some good old Italian red Fortissimo!

[Ray]

Ray--I don't know why you feel I'm stuck on some leftist political agenda and I've said a number of times that what we get in the press and visual media (news) is the gruel that's fed to that media and then 'edited' even further. Right or left, it inevitable has some spin or slant that I am very hesitant to buy into. I am cynical of many, many things in regards to the USA, the media and to life in general.

Robert, I didn’t say you were “stuck on some leftist political agenda”. I said that you were spouting the leftist agenda, which is what you were also pretending to be above.

Once again, “Tea Baggers” is not the correct term for Tea Party folks. It’s a degrading term dreamed up by the leftist media and YOU are here repeating it. You’ve been suckered by the leftist media dude!

Ray

[robert angel]

Ray--Buddy--Uma gonna send you a Furby--with my face on it and a 'better dead than red sign' it it's hand!

[jm21-2]

The problem with the tea party is although they say their almost sole focus is fiscal responsibility, the reality is most of them throw in a bunch of other stuff as well, often way out in right field. It will be interesting how things turn out. I don't like the tea party candidates I've seen so far, except for Rand Paul who could be awesome. It's just a really mixed bag. I mean you've got one guy who gets in trouble for e-mailing out animal porn, and a girl who has historically said that masturbating is sinful. You can argue it's a mixture of a lot of different views united by the pursuit of fiscal responsibility, but I'm not sure that's really the case. It looks like a lot of the candidates may be just doing lip service to that ideal but are actually opportunists who know that without that push they wouldn't stand a chance. It will be interesting to see if they get elected will they start to shake things up a bit or will they just fall into the party line.

[Bob_S]

I have heard of people sitting in ER's hereabouts for hours unattended while illegal aliens were attended to first and that's plain wrong,

Yep, that's what was going on, as we sat in the waiting room for 7 hours, then in the exam room for 2 more.  Then of course there was the additional hour wait at the pharmacy for antibiotics.

as was me finding out years after I bought my house that my home's half assed construction was probably due to illegal Mexicans, who took orders from an American boss, who couldn't speak Spanish and none of them cared about quality--they wanted it done fast.

We've heard of that problem around here.  Construction quality of stick-built houses has gone wayyy down.  We are thinking of moving out of our apartment-style condo into a single family home, and are looking into trying to find land and building (can save LOTS around here doing it that way).  So for that, we are considering a factory-built modular home with superior quality control (we hope).  Unlike a manufactured "mobile" home, a modular home will appreciate in value the same as a regular built home.  Genesis Homes' nearest factory is in AZ, so a double score to support their economy!

We spend millions trying to attract foreign businesses by developing uber expensive mega sites--pre prepared, with tax breaks in place and then we get 500 + employee Asian and Euro companies opening up plants elsewhere--including auto plants. It's inexplicable why--some companies pick sites 10-20 miles away from the mega sites.

You mean enviro-tree-huggers didn't shut down the project and sue the developers into bankruptcy?  Wow.  What's it like to live where reason can prevail?  I've forgotten what it's like.

Once again, “Tea Baggers” is not the correct term for Tea Party folks. It’s a degrading term dreamed up by the leftist media and YOU are here repeating it.

Um, that was me.  I first brought up the term here in an ironic sarcastic sense, knowing it is the term used by the sophomoric left.  I guess my joke fell flat.  Pardon.   

[Researcher]

Ray--I don't know why you feel I'm stuck on some leftist political agenda and I've said a number of times that what we get in the press and visual media (news) is the gruel that's fed to that media and then 'edited' even further. Right or left, it inevitable has some spin or slant that I am very hesitant to buy into. I am cynical of many, many things in regards to the USA, the media and to life in general.

The only 'whine' you're likely to get out of me is some good old Italian red Fortissimo!

    Well Roberto I have to agree with you there..I watch all the news channels to get an idea of what the truth is because all of them put their own slant on their stories.I don't watch HLN that much because it reminds me of sitting in an airport waiting and waiting for a flight.I also vote according to which party or politician will do what the country needs done at the time.I'm not a diehard anything when it comes to politics for one reason: things change.I like the Tea Party simply because the current "establishment" needs to be shook up.IMO, the people need to be listened to once again.

     As far as posting here on political subjects I think it is OK to post on whatever the subject is.Illegal immigration happens to be a topic of the present and I think we here do have alot of good points of view simply because of our own experiences with the USCIS and the fact that we have gone about it LEGALLY.Thats one reason I get a little "miffed" when I see illegal immigrants on television saying they have a right to be here ahead of those that are waiting in a long line to come here legally.

      Researcher

[fathertime]

Robert Angel,

What is your viewpoint on how to handle the Illegal Alien issue and how to manage the budget deficit?

Fathertime!

[Dave H]

Hey Rob,

You'll be fine...just stay clear of the teachers' lounge!

Dave