In Bangkok and adjusting finally.

[jmcooper002]

Mark Dude what are you thinking

You are in a country with a million of the most beautiful women in the world, if it wasn't meant to be the first time maybe it wasn't meant to be. But maybe Thailand has a myspace, or equiv that she is on and you can find her there just a thought.

Also if you get to into the search she may think you are stalking her and it may scare the crap out of her.

Good luck. Keep the stories coming I think they are great.

[mark28map]

Your right man,

I dont know what I am thinking I am going to let it go.

I returned to the mall again, this time with my new camera that I spent a pretty penny on that I have no idea how to use. I figured I would try to impress the ladies with my shooting skills and look important. So I planned on visiting the Baiyoki tower which is the tallest building in Thailand. I took the infamous BTS train station that I mentioned earlier and got off at the phloen chit stop, E2 for those of you who are familiar. Its located right next to the Central World Mall that is sistered with the SIAM paragon mall complex. These people really like their malls and they like them big. This particular stop happens to be a major intersection where everything comes together at one point. The North and South Skytrain intersects with the East and West one. And 8 lanes of traffic going all directions connect right underneath. Basically I was one stop away from Central station which is a block away where I got off. Just one big spaghetti bowl of dung going on at one spot. Mixed with the hot sun and rising smog off the street makes for a cool scene. I figured I would take a second before I trek my 3/4 mile jaunt to the tower and start shooting some street and train traffic. I break out my camera open it up turn it on and start pointing and I realize my lens is all foggy. Bummer, Since my frickin hotel room has no control on the air conditioning, I am forced to sleep in blizzard like conditions and so is my camera.

Oh well, no big deal. I figure this is a good opportunity to go into the mall and start hitting on some camera chic and maybe by a lens cleaning kit. I walk into this massive complex and as my luck would have it; panasonic was throwing some kind of state of the art camera show. I mean state of the art too. There we over 500 chinamen carrying super cameras of all kinds that made mine look like a kids toy. I said to myself "fook this" I am just going to eat something and slip out of here without embarrassing myself. I just got back to my room a little bit ago and I am heading back out to shoot that tower. I mean what are the chances. My camera is sweet, but these cameras where on wheels,  elevator lifts, flying robots and then some. I wish I knew how to speak thai, there were some hot girls there that were modeling for panasonic and I wanted every single one of them.

I'm over that other chic cooper, but I had a weird dream last night. I think since I was so sad yesterday it put me in a weird nostalgic moment. I dreamt of my ex-fiance that I havent seen in over 8 years that I have never really gotten over. She was "the one" if you know what I mean. I have never really gotten over her. She has two kids now and we havent spoken really since we broke it off. Just weird how dung like that seems to intertwine. 

lol,  Im a jackAZZ.   

Mark

[jmcooper002]

Mark

You are a brave mo fo. I must say. I think it is great how you hop on a plane to thailand and just go for it. I think I may just do the same. As far as your Ex goes, I know what you mean. Except  I married her, and apparently that doesnt mean anything either. Dude have a good time, and dont let the past get you down. Go balls out and have the time of your life. I mean how often do you get to thailand. And if you have a few naughty indescressions, chalk it up to the fact that your a man, and who the hell is perfect anyway.

But I agree with the guys you dont want a bad name for yourelf. How long are you there for anyway?

In my opinion you may want to hire an agency just to get a few introductions. I was thinking about it, and if you were in the US and trying to find a woman. How the heck would you figure out who the marriage minded ones are, and who the ones were that just wanted to have a good time. It would take more than 21 days.

But overall it sounds like you are having a  hell of an experience, and that is all that matters. Good luck man on your search, and I hope it yeilds the perfect partner for you.

[mark28map]

Thanks Cooper,

I am approaching my tenth day here with 17 left before my time is up. I havent decided if I am going to try to fly out and come back to re-up on my 30 days. Its funny how ones feelings change through experience. Before I came here I was very lonely and some what anxious to get a wife. After spending a week here by myself with only this website to vent, I have learned some things about myself I never knew before. Its appealing and rather flattering to get all this attention from beautiful women. I have never experienced that before in my life. It is also quite overwhelming and sobering. I have started to come down to earth and realize that this is serious business what I am doing here. The decision I might make will be changing the lives of two people and I cant be reckless in making it. 

I am putting the breaks on this wife thing for a bit and dont mind returning empty handed. Partly because now I know its real and before I didn't really believe it. The other part is because like you said earlier, there are a million beautiful women here and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The reason I haven't pursued an agency's help is because of the logistics of dealing with a rep and coordinating all the travel and dating arrangements. Pictures are never accurate and I like to see someone in person before I waste all my time and money getting them to me and then knowing within seconds they wont work out. I know those girls are more serious and pure but I am not sure that I would like it. I should give it a try though.

The other thing is, and I know the guys here will disagree, but I am finding the bar scene more appealing than I originally thought. Mainly because I can see what I am getting up front. Now I know they have been with god knows how many men and that thought is sickening. But if I could find the right one, I could get her tested, checked and so on and build a new life from there. Attraction is very important to me. And if we have it for each other, I could forget her past and build a new future with her. You got to remember, these girls are doing what they know how to in order to survive and feed their families. Its really quite noble the sacrifices they are making putting up with all the foriegners bull [snip] just to make life better for their loved ones, it is also quite sad.

I went to a club last night and spoke to a beautiful 32 year old bar girl. She was the first girl out of the 50 that got my attention. We sat down, I bought her a drink and we talked. She spoke exceptional english and was quite experienced. She wanted to know if I wanted her for the night and I said not in that way. I did tell her I wanted her to hang out with me and show me the ropes of the bar scene and I paid her bar fine and gave her 100 bucks for that. She was shocked that I didn't want her for sex. I had a great time with her. We hung out for three hours. She took me in and out of every bar of NANA plaza minus the ladyboy bars and told me how to avoid those as well.

Every woman we saw were just breathtaking. She asked me if I wanted any of them and I said not tonight. I told her I was looking for a wife and she said this is the place to find one. She said every girl wants to get out of this life style and would jump at the opportunity to hook up with a nice westerner. She told me that the really hot girls know the game and make about 30,000 USD a year. Thats three to 4000 baht a night for 6 nights a week with only one day off. She acknowledged that supply and demand doesn't afford most girls that kind of money because there are just to many women and not enough customers. She did say though that the average hot chick gets 3 men a week which earns them atleast 12000 a year.

I make about 75k a year and could easily subsidize this money for them to send back home. I just have to date a different one each night, try them out of course and go from there. I probably wont have sex with them but who knows. I am going to look at like a pre-paid dating package and if the attraction is mutual then its on. Either way, I will still pay her and just hang out if I know its not going to work out. thats my goal this week.

mark
 

[william3rd]

Thanks Cooper,

I am approaching my tenth day here with 17 left before my time is up. I havent decided if I am going to try to fly out and come back to re-up on my 30 days. Its funny how ones feelings change through experience. Before I came here I was very lonely and some what anxious to get a wife. After spending a week here by myself with only this website to vent, I have learned some things about myself I never knew before. Its appealing and rather flattering to get all this attention from beautiful women. I have never experienced that before in my life. It is also quite overwhelming and sobering. I have started to come down to earth and realize that this is serious business what I am doing here. The decision I might make will be changing the lives of two people and I cant be reckless in making it. 

I am putting the breaks on this wife thing for a bit and dont mind returning empty handed. Partly because now I know its real and before I didn't really believe it. The other part is because like you said earlier, there are a million beautiful women here and they aren't going anywhere anytime soon. The reason I haven't pursued an agency's help is because of the logistics of dealing with a rep and coordinating all the travel and dating arrangements. Pictures are never accurate and I like to see someone in person before I waste all my time and money getting them to me and then knowing within seconds they wont work out. I know those girls are more serious and pure but I am not sure that I would like it. I should give it a try though.

The other thing is, and I know the guys here will disagree, but I am finding the bar scene more appealing than I originally thought. Mainly because I can see what I am getting up front. Now I know they have been with god knows how many men and that thought is sickening. But if I could find the right one, I could get her tested, checked and so on and build a new life from there. Attraction is very important to me. And if we have it for each other, I could forget her past and build a new future with her. You got to remember, these girls are doing what they know how to in order to survive and feed their families. Its really quite noble the sacrifices they are making putting up with all the foriegners bull [snip] just to make life better for their loved ones, it is also quite sad.

I went to a club last night and spoke to a beautiful 32 year old bar girl. She was the first girl out of the 50 that got my attention. We sat down, I bought her a drink and we talked. She spoke exceptional english and was quite experienced. She wanted to know if I wanted her for the night and I said not in that way. I did tell her I wanted her to hang out with me and show me the ropes of the bar scene and I paid her bar fine and gave her 100 bucks for that. She was shocked that I didn't want her for sex. I had a great time with her. We hung out for three hours. She took me in and out of every bar of NANA plaza minus the ladyboy bars and told me how to avoid those as well.

Every woman we saw were just breathtaking. She asked me if I wanted any of them and I said not tonight. I told her I was looking for a wife and she said this is the place to find one. She said every girl wants to get out of this life style and would jump at the opportunity to hook up with a nice westerner. She told me that the really hot girls know the game and make about 30,000 USD a year. Thats three to 4000 baht a night for 6 nights a week with only one day off. She acknowledged that supply and demand doesn't afford most girls that kind of money because there are just to many women and not enough customers. She did say though that the average hot chick gets 3 men a week which earns them atleast 12000 a year.

I make about 75k a year and could easily subsidize this money for them to send back home. I just have to date a different one each night, try them out of course and go from there. I probably wont have sex with them but who knows. I am going to look at like a pre-paid dating package and if the attraction is mutual then its on. Either way, I will still pay her and just hang out if I know its not going to work out. thats my goal this week.

mark
 

NO- you are describing white knight syndrome. You can take a girl out of the bar but you cant take the bar out of the girl. If you are seriously considering bar girls, then you have deluded yourself.

run out and buy "Private Dancer." And then look for other books of the same sort.

You are not the first guy there or the first guy to think this way. Disabuse yourself-now.

As far as the bar fees and earnings that she is quoting-too high. That is more like what they want to get from the uninitiated than what they actually get.

BTW- if you do decide to meet a decent woman, do not describe your bar antics to her in any way or you will no longer be acceptable to her

[leather neck]

NO- you are describing white knight syndrome. You can take a girl out of the bar but you cant take the bar out of the girl. If you are seriously considering bar girls, then you have deluded yourself.

run out and buy "Private Dancer." And then look for other books of the same sort.

You are not the first guy there or the first guy to think this way. Disabuse yourself-now.NO- you are describing white knight syndrome. You can take a girl out of the bar but you cant take the bar out of the girl. If you are seriously considering bar girls, then you have deluded yourself.

Hey Mark,
 
I agree with every word written here by william3rd, so I second his wisdom and advice to you. I do not know how old you are and my point for the statment is this. The very first Thai woman  I had a relationship with, I was a mere 21 year old young marine. Want to guess where I meet her? Yep, you're right, in a bar and as much as I wanted her to get out of that business, she could not get that business out of her. It did not matter how much money I showered her with, the mentally never changed. It took me a long time to realize that she could not be trusted, her affinity for attention from men other than me was immense. It took me a long time to figure out  that she was not changing her ways.
 
I will keep this short and just put it this way...DAMAGED GOODS! Don't waste your time with thoughts of rehabilitating a bar girl. You are not the first guy to think that maybe with enough care, patience, attention, love, understanding, etc... that she will be fine. REMEMBER... it may not be apparent, you are working with DAMAGED GOODS!

Women are not wired like us...that is a rugged life style and it is hard on them emotionally, though many do a good job of masking the pain and scars so as to continue to earn a living. You do not want to inherit this problem.

Just look at it this way...you're looking at 2 cars, one has been wrecked and salvaged to appear as good as new, the other one has low...low miles and in mint condition,   pretty close to being new, which one do you drive home? I thought so!

Take care,

leatherneck
 

[Dave H]

Hi Mark,

You sound like my best friend. He has spent the last 33 years looking for a wife in strip clubs. He pays them to give him attention, talk, and dance on his lap. He seldom has sex with them, yet spends all his hard earned money buying gifts for his "girlfriend" of the month. I recognised one lady as a former gunshot patient I had on rescue. She recognised me and got nervous! She confessed that she was married and just using him. He still didn't want to believe it. I saw her with her husband one day at Sports Authority and called him to meet me. My friend finally saw with his own eyes and broke it of...only to move on to the next one! He is 51, usually lonely, broke (1 bankruptcy), and lives at home with his mother who pays for everything, yet he earns over 60k a year.

I am not surprized that there are many bargirls dying to hook up with a wealthy foreigner. If you want to bone them...bone them. But why in the "F" would you want to marry one?   STOP DELUDING YOURSELF! You are a kid in the candy store and are about to get a mouthful of cavities!!

Dave H.

[Dave H]

Hey Mark

William and Leather Neck have given you some EXCELLENT advice based on experience! Have you ever seen the documentaries (I saw one on Thailand as well) where well meaning organizations "rescue" women from the bar scene and prostitution? When the "rescuers" return to follow up on the ladies progress a few months later, the ladies had usually returned to the bar and prostitution. They missed the money, but more importantly the "lifestyle." Many of these ladies are adicted to drugs as well!

Dave H.

[mark28map]

I love you guys!  All of you are awesome, thank you very much. I don't know what I was thinking earlier. I had a momentary lapse of reason. thank god I am snapping out of it. I love the "mouthful of cavities" line, classic. I agree, I guess I am just getting impatient. I just left Nana plaza and I cant even begin to say how disgusted I am. I left by myself, hence why I am writing right now at 1:00 am bangkok time. I cant bring myself to do it. These girls are on another level and I cant relate to it nor do I want to. Leather neck, you are the man! Great analogies as well, I had a brain fart. Please disregard my earlier post and please restore your original faith in me. I am going to do this right. Tonight I am going to go to bed and sleep on it. I need to get my program together. I am going to register with Thai love links in the morning and sweet singles. I need to get back on track.  pray for me please!

I'm back dont worry, I'm cool!

Mark

[Marshall K]

Showing great wisdom, Grasshopper, by listening to the masters and showing patience you will be rewarded with a great lady who will fill your life with joy.

[jmcooper002]

Glad to see you get back on track. Nothing with a young guy having some fun, but how often do you travel thousands of miles to find a wife. Keep your head clear. Let me know how the online agency thing goes.

Good luck

[leather neck]

You are a kid in the candy store and are about to get a mouthful of cavities!!

You said it best with the "mouthful of cavities!"  That had me LMAO!

Thanks for the back up Dave, it worked and now the ladd is back on track.
That analogy is great Dave, where were you when I needed to be slapped back into reality during the time I attempted to have a relationship with a bar girl?

And Mark, we never lost faith in you, that is precisely why we cared enough to shed some light on the pitfalls of any attempt to rescue a bar girl. We are still with ya. Like jmcooper002 says, "nothing wrong with a young guy having some fun." just seperate the "having some fun" from, she's the one.

Rome was not built in a day. This may not happen on the first trip, and that is ok, you have not failed to accomplish your mission. That means the mission will continue, because your desire to find a suitable woman to become your wife and your slice of happiness does not end with this trip. This is the first step in a long jounrey, this is not do or die.

And have some fun if you wish, doesn't mean you bang everything that gets within spitting distance of you. It"s ok to have a night out in the bar scene and go home alone. Moderation is the key and pace your self, this is not a 100 yd dash, more like a marathon. My long gone grandma would say, "boy, haste makes waste."

We're in your corner, have some fun, enjoy the trip, be safe and keep the post coming. And please, NO MORE CRAZY THOUGHTS!!!

Leatherneck


 

[leather neck]

Leatherneck, you took my statement out of context from his prior post including the part about how guilty he felt.

Hey William, I want to be on record here. I am not here to engage in stepping on toes and causing animosity. I am here to share and to contribute, I take no pleasure in pissing people off or engaging in verbal combat. I actually agree with your advice to Mark, all of it.

So when I made that statement about the red light district, It was my attempt at a little humor, sorry you perceived it differently.
What I meant was, when Mark went to that area, the wife shopping stopped and he found the thing that one goes to that kind of area for.

Leatherneck

[william3rd]

no problemo, dude. We are good. You are on point with your posts and not living in a world of fantasy.

He did get a little sidetracked when he got to Nana. 20 years ago, it was patpong in the lead and the arabs all hung out at nana. Amazing what happens in 20 years.

[Dave H]

You said it best with the "mouthful of cavities!"  That had me LMAO!

Thanks for the back up Dave, it worked and now the ladd is back on track.
That analogy is great Dave, where were you when I needed to be slapped back into reality during the time I attempted to have a relationship with a bar girl?
 

Hey leather neck,

No problem! I'm glad you and Mark got a kick out of the "cavities" line!  I wish it would have worked on my friend...bankruptcy has helped to curb his "sweet tooth!"

Dave H.

[mark28map]

Ok,

Heres the deal. I am going to ramble real fast because I only have like 5 minutes until this chic comes back. I joined thai love links and have communication started with two girls already. One is 6 hours away and the other is two, both already want me to visit asap. Not sure if I should, what is everyones take on that?  Is it to soon, are they just jumping or are they good girls? Ok second, I went to the candy store again and found a super model. I am not kidding when I say that when this girl walked in, the whole bar went quiet. She is 29 years old, looks 18 and has the most beautiful face, eyes, teeth, lips, hair and everything else. Her laugh makes me happy. I cant begin to describe, what I am feeling. I figure I am going to chill with this girl for another day or two and let her go. main reason, I have to be honest is that her austrian boyfriend is coming over April 3rd to spend a year with her and she is quitting the bar business for that period. I am thinking he is well off and probably going to marry this girl. They talk on the phone all the time and she has credit cards with his name on them. He is obviously sending money to her. You guys are right though, why is she working now still if she found someone well off to take care of her. I am not going to fall for her or keep her for much longer. I am atleast learning some thai and she is showing me around the city. Its not costing me that much either.

Dont worry, I am on track with the Thai love links thing, I just think it is going to take some more time. I am hoping to visit atleast one girl from there before I leave. I have already made a decision that this particular trip will not result in me bringing home a wife. I will however have my feet wet by the time I leave setting me up nicely for my return.

Well I gotta go for now. I am having a great time and will tell you more later.

Thanks,

Mark

[Ray]

I have already made a decision that this particular trip will not result in me bringing home a wife.

Hey Mark,

Just make sure you don't bring something else home, like a dose of the clap...or worse.

I don't know why, but the best-looking ones are usually the ones with the worst diseases. Be careful, they have some nasty stuff over there in Thailand!

[leather neck]

 

I have to be honest is that her austrian boyfriend is coming over April 3rd to spend a year with her and she is quitting the bar business for that period. I am thinking he is well off and probably going to marry this girl. They talk on the phone all the time and she has credit cards with his name on them. He is obviously sending money to her. You guys are right though, why is she working now still if she found someone well off to take care of her.

Hey Mark,

So you found a "dime piece," that has some suckers credit cards in her purse. Well, glad you got a chance to witness an example of what we were telling you about those bar babes. Nothing like experience, and better if it is someone else is paying for the experience. She has his credit cards and you're the one sleeping with her this week, Mark let's just say, "better his credit cards in her pocket than yours."

I sure hope you are getting lots of photos that you want to share with the fellows, and for sure get pics of the dime piece, don't be greedy, share with us!

Take care and have fun...check your messages, I sent one to you a couple days ago.

Leatherneck

[leather neck]

Mark,

Ray is correct, don't return home with anything you didn"t take over there, souvenirs are the exception. Rain coats are cheap, so wear two of them.
You don't wanna have to bend over and drop your trousers when you get back.

hehehe!!!


Leatherneck

[leather neck]

Yeah Dave,
 
That "cavitity" comment had me laughing each time I thought of it, to bad your friend had to fall off the deep end to keep him out of the candy store.


Leatherneck

[mark28map]

My friends,

I have found her. I have found the one that I am going to spend my life with. I thank all of you for your help and support. I will write my log in a few days. Right now is not the time as for I am focused on her. She is a great woman with a beautiful heart and I know that we will be happy together. I flew to Koh Samui island and spent the last 4 days with her. She makes me feel like a man. I cant begin to describe my happiness right now. I will give full details soon.

Mark

[Ray]

     

[Dave H]

Hi Mark,

Congratulations! But, it seems like everything is happening very fast. You might want to take a step back, relax, reflect, and make sure you are not overlooking anything that will be difficult to live with later. Good luck!

Dave H.