Cartagena My Second Home!

[william3rd]

rush to judgment? Hell, even OJ would have been found guilty with this type of first-hand precipient witness testimony.

Fix it, dude. It's broke.

[daytrader]

re: "precipient"

Yo, Wm3rd....you taught me a new word, muchas gracias! 

DayTrader

[markanthony7]

OJ was not guilty!!!!!!!!!!., I think..., well I dont really know, but just because they found blood every where in his bronco, kitchen, cltothes, that is not evidence that he was was guilty, I am sure there is so me logical reason for it?, I have not found it out in the 15 years, of evaluating the trial and crime scene but I am sure there is an excuse some where, hey that gives me a good idea! maybe I should hire Johnny Cocrhan to get me out this situation!

[chizz]

cochran, f. lee. bailey, matlock, perry mason, combined might not be able to save your boy.
chizz

[EbonyPrince]

LOL...Wil3 you have to be an attorney, but you are so onpoint .

As I told Atomik, I am done with the issue.  I have put it to rest.  Mark I think that you should also (IMO).  I suggest everyone to use their own minds when making their decisions.  Hopefully my report and the incident causes Luis to improve.   

1. My report was totally factual and accurate.  It was not meant to be destructive, but I hope that it was informative.
2. I have given you my personal opinions Mark, when you called me Monday upon my return from Cartagena.  It hasn't changed.
3. I stand by what I have told you privately, and I didn't even divulge everything.

Apparently none of what I said bothers you which is fine.  You are a grown man able to make your own decisions.  Luis is also a grown man who fully is capable of deciding how he wants to present himself.  I believe he is either 32 or 33. 

I am one the most open-minded people to which anyone that knows me can attest.  The only way that Luis will get better is if you deal with every issue that people present to you.  I also feel that he needs close supervision and defined standards.  Character flaws are character flaws.  You may not see them now, but as I said all things are revealed in time.

[markanthony7]

Chizz in my mind you are nothing but as "hater", for your FYI, we have been doing this for 3 and a half years, as I said before and detailed in prior post, you cannot make a fair deduction on a couple of post, you said you paid $630 in Jamie's service why don't you tell us how much was for the place you stayed in? , where was the place you stayed in?, by the way if Jamie is so spectacular where is Mrs. Chizz? what you guys have to understand these are your personal opinions but not everyone shares your opinion about us , Luis has satisfied many more customers than he has offended and I have learned that no matter what business your in you can not please everybody, EB, I feel your situation is a matter of perspective and personality differences, no serious infraction there

[daytrader]

give it a rest MA....peace brothers...let's move onward and hopefully upward...

DayTrader

[chizz]

dam, mark, you really dont get it. hater?, more like realist. Your boy luis wanted me to talk to a girl, who had a man. You wanted me to commit visa fraud, and im a hater?? You need to get over this jealousy of jamie's agency, you sound juvenile, he runs a great agency, as attested to by many people on here. I guess my comment about you calling him up and asking him how to run a agency must of stung more than i thought. pity. Sounds like you would say anything to cover your ass, bringing up ms. chizz? pathetic.
chizz.
Also like to add, I know you'll probably get all ansy, but the truth is Im not all that pissed off about the little visa thing(in case you need to be reminded, i can tell you her name, she's still on the site, so I guess you couldn't find anyone to bring her up). Im pissed that you lied to me Mark. You also lied about noone complaining about Luis, because I told you what he did, and you said you would talk to him. The visa thing I can chalk up to you not having a clue, and you also said you would take down the girl who asked  me for a million peso's but you didn't. You revealed alot about youself in your post, to bad. It's not everyday you see a grown man, completely unravel, and expose himself.

[markanthony7]

I am not going to argue with you anymore because it is fruitless, that beautiful young lady you missed the opportunity to know and have a relationship is doing well and she is in New York now because of our agencies commitment to helping women subjected to sufferage get an opportunity to meet sincere men that see the significance and quality in these women, I never said  I expected  you to marry her , I said it would be worth your time and effort to bring her here and give each other the opportunity to know  each other, but you did then, what you are doing now twisting and contorting every thing I said and met for the good because thats how your mindset is, your mind its twisted and contorted and thats what angers me more than anything about people like you who do not know what the hell you are talking about trying to influence others negatively and you don't know enough about Me, Luis or our agency to make this railing accusations with no foundation, and old saying " some peoples minds are like finished concrete all mixed up and permanetly set!" what I am saying is my perception about some of the negative comments are more fueled by  impetuous attitudes , that are quick to ridicule and judge others on mere conjecture, its difficult for me to understand people with this type of mentality because I have enough commons sense to study a situation or a person before I make a serious comment or evaluation about them for fear of bringing undue reproach on them, apparently you don't and enjoy recklessly slandering other for sport and malce.

Jealous of Jamie's agency, please!, I am in no competition with him or anybody else for that matter, I do not do this for profit but because I enjoy it, I have explained many times, I don't need money, I have plenty!, I worked for GM for 29 years, probably when you were watching sesame street junior, I was acquiring wealth and security, I retire in March with a full pension so what the hell are you talking about?, you don't! but thats my point!, you dont know what the hell you are talking about , you are just recklessly running your mouth, motivated by malice, but thats the disposition of a fool they run their mouth without thinking, I support Jamies agency all the time and refer customers to him when they ask me about agencies in BQ, I kknow that Jamie and our agency can co-exist, like Mcdonald and Burger King, Mcdonalds will never put Burger King out of business and Burger King will never put Mcdonalds out of business and there is still room for wendys

[fathertime]

I kknow that Jamie and our agency can co-exist, like Mcdonald and Burger King,

This quote reminds me of another comparison from years ago that also made no sense!

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-7gpgXNWYI[/youtube]


Now please don't tell me that was "Uncalled for!"

Fathertime!

[atomik]

William the 3rd and father time,
 I am not making excuses for Luis, I am merely trying to bring you to the understanding that there in my opinion has been a "rush to judgment" or "or rush to acusation" unsupported accusations "bickering about nothing" and undue blame has been projected upon him IMO, this whole tirade has been emotional and fueled by conjecture, I would hope the senior board members be a little  more objective or empirical in your investigation of the matter, Father time you talk about bull [snip] that  Lorenzo deal was pure bull [snip]!, we are only taking ownership to the Mudd partial screw up

If you want to keep this up Mark, GAME ON!  I have plenty of photo evidence that Lorenzo is not bull $%#$. 

[william3rd]

should have spell-checked. Oh well. . . . . .

[chizz]

Mark, I don't know if you're bi-polar, or just a senile old man. You keep talking about wrong perceptions, and People don't know you or your agency well enough to make decision about it. You try to play the victim, and defend your boy luis, and you sound flat out stupid. Now, let this "junior", break it down so you'll understand.
-Girl(dielys Toscando) meets boy
-Girl and boy fall in love
-Boy does all the paperwork, and get's girl a visa.
-2 months before she comes up, boy changes his  mind
-Boy doesn't want her, and goes with someone else
-you tell me, I should bring her up
-I tell you, I don't know her, don't want a stranger in my home
-you tell me, I could get to know her while shes up here.
-I tell you that's ridiculous, and decide not to do buisness with you.
Don't know how much easier I can make it for you. It is good that you're not going to argue with me anymore. Cause like DT said, you just digging your hole that much deeper.
Also, you said she is up here, in New York, very happy. My question is, if you know this, why you still have her on your site??
chizz

[markanthony7]

Last thing I will say on this thread because I have better things to than wrangle with grown men that IMO are acting grossly immature, presently I am in Cartagena working on Amor De Cartagena Summer edition 2007 and I have more positive and constructive things to worry about than theses fruitless exchange of words, you can say what you want but Amor De Cartagena has grown continually in the past 3 years , we went from 30 women to 300 and have had the wonderful opportunity to meet and service a plethora of wonderful people and we will continue this continual improvement. Anytime you have success or become a public figure you will always have scoffers, haters and ignorant people ridiculing you but our success or failure will not be founded on the multitude of your criticism and mean spirited words, we joined  this board about 6 months ago, we were established in business and thriving then before we associated ourselves with this forum and will continue in this positive direction because Amor De Cartagena was founded on integrity, hard work, commitment to people and with the blessing of God and when God is involved in something you have two choices, you either get on board or you will get mowed over like a mack truck because the good book says "If God before you who can be against you?" he who did not spare his only Son on our behalf, how shall he not freely give us all things" (Romans) , so our success does not depend on your approval or disdain but God is in control of this thing, he will micro manage the details of this operation, so I dont have worry about being a good business man,  just a good person and he will cause it to prosper. But like any other infidel or heathen's this concept of Gods involvement is foreign to a Godless mind, so with that said I wish you all well, I am like to Tu Pac  I ain't mad at you.

1. Chizz you were stupid for not meeting that young lady everybody go to our website and look at her on gallery #19 , she is the beautiful and lovely Arielys Toscando, 26 , no children, gorgeous face and figure, and a personality that sweet and vivacious, Chizz she is what you needed or you would not be standing around raising these dumb allegations, you would be doing something constructive like raising a family instead of gossiping and bickering like an old mag pie but everybody don't take my word view her photo and see how moronic this man is

2. Atomik your photos don't amount to beans, insignificant, everyone can see you are both confused and obsessed, I don't have to prove my self to you , I am already approved, some people just don't understand this because they are consumed with hatered and obsessed with ridicule and malice

[chizz]

Mark, you are truly a sad individual, cussing and swearing in one post, then quoting the bible in another...what?? I truly hope this is the last thing you say, because you use more double talk than anyone. Gossip?? Slander?? you obviously don't know what these words mean. It's not gossip if it's true, same with slander. Let me state the facts for you for the last time, then im through with you, cause you're a lost cause.
The girl got her visa from ANOTHER MAN!! What part of that don't you understand???
He filled out the paperwork, He gave his proof of income, it was his Visa. You told me all I would have to do is buy her plane ticket. It's not my visa!!! Do you get it now!!??
It's not gossip or slander, it's the truth mark, what the hell is wrong with you?? She could be the nicest person in the world, BUT IT WASN'T MY VISA!! Get that through you thick skull. Also, i see you have this habit of attacking people who used your services, in a vain attempt to discredit or maybe just to intimidate. Sorry, not happening. You attacked me, you attacked others who wrote trip reports, many people have posted talking about your agency, but you write it off as people who don't know because they never used your agency, but we that have are instantly haters, and to negative because the truth is spoken,man you are pathetic.
Why are you telling people to go to the site and check her out, when you say she's in the states and happy with someone else?? Do you see how dumb that is? If she's happily in the states, she shouldn't be on the site, geez, get a clue, please. Now fix you attitude, and agency, cause as much as you brag about being in the buisness for 3 years, you still don't know what you're doing. Im done with you.
chizz

[william3rd]

Just for the record, these glowing reports of Luis being god's gift to the introduction industry are appearing on other boards such as gringotalk.

[Ray]

God is in control of this thing, he will micro manage the details of this operation, so I dont have worry about being a good business man,  just a good person and he will cause it to prosper. But like any other infidel or heathen's this concept of Gods involvement is foreign to a Godless mind, so with that said I wish you all well, I am like to Tu Pac  I ain't mad at you.

So, let's see if I have this right. God Almighty Himself is running your agency down to the last detail?

And anyone who criticizes your business is an infidel, a heathen, and has a godless mind? Wow!

This is really getting good... 

[markanthony7]

Ray you are misconstruing what I said, I am open to healthy constructive criticism, neither me or my business is perfect I need to be critiqued at times but this is not "constructive criticism" this is pure malice and contempt or "destructive criticism"  as I said in my earlier post and a lot of the allegations are unsubstantiated and the others frivolous, in other words they are "making a mountain out of a mole hill", the only real debacle was when Luis failed to appropriately contact Mudd in a timely fashion and even to a degree that was not that severe because he met young ladies prior too and if he would have stayed he certainly would have met more, but he panicked and went to BQ. This whole scenario is very Jerry Springer like, I just feel people need to villainies people and create drama for entertainment, because the few trivial things you are accusing us of are rather insignificant, likewise you are not balancing your evaluation of Luis and are agency with people that have had positive experiences, these are negated and when they try to post they get accused of being fraudulent and full of BS because they have something supportive to say, so I guess you are just hell bent on demonizing us. Chizz she is still on my site because she is a success story she met and married some one else and she is working and going to college, the VISA was legitimately given to her if not she would not be in this country, thats pure logic and common sense, Chizz your conduct and rebuke are both just insidious and argumentative

[chizz]

Couldn't leave it alone,

Last thing I will say on this thread because I have better things to than wrangle with grown men that IMO are acting grossly immature, 

But then you had to post again, and attack me. I stated facts to you Mark, and your only defence is im being insidious and argumentive<---correct spelling. Everyone is exaggerating everthing with you, the problem is never with you, it's always the client, contrary to what you say" the client is always right", you mean he's always right, unless he has anything negative to say.
Not being argumentive, stating facts. There's  nothing there on your site saying she's married, and stop trying to hide behind the bible to justify your actions. You never addressed what I said mark. Her visa was approved for another man, yet after he changed his mind, you wanted me to bring her up on his visa. So stop twisting things around. But let's break it down. That visa was to expire early march/ or late feb. So between then she met someone, got another visa, and came up?? why doesn't that add up?? or..did you get someone to bring her up on his visa?? or...since she's still on your site, and there's no marriage word written across her face, maybe it's not true..hmm..
chizz
p.s. the girl is dielys toscando on page 15, not 19.

[fathertime]

Chizz, I don't know if you noticed but Mark mentioned Gallery 19 is where he is claiming the girl is located.  It is a girl with the same last name as the one you were talking about but with a different first name.  The gal in gallery 19 has "Married" on her pic. 

Which girl was he promoting you to commit fraud with, The girl on gallery 15 Dielys Toscando OR gallery 19 Arielys Toscando?

Thanks.
Fathertime!

[catz]

Guys,

 This is now well into the realm of ridiculous.

 Mark,
  In all my years around these boards I have never seen any agency owner come out ahead in any battle. Time to give it a rest.

 chizz,
  Please re-read your post and check the spelling before you chide someone about their spelling.
   -argumentative   - defense   -everything   
 Are all misspelled. As this is not a spelling board and many people think faster than their fingers type there are often spelling errors in the posts. Let's get over the nitpicky stuff and let this thread fade.

Thanks,
 Catz
 

[markanthony7]

She got her own ticket and came on her own, you need to look at the photo first before you start railing accusation just like you are doing now, it demonstrates exactly what I have been saying about your conduct and attitude all a long, you run your mouth before you think and have correct information and carelessly and recklessly make critical and malicious accusations with no truth or foundation and at the very least frivolous bickering, characteristic of some one that has no life and purpose except to be an irritant, this post was about arshareefs Cartagena experience , when you posted your recent trip report did everyone get of the subject and turn it into a side show? now if you are finished Luis came by we have new photos and profiles to complete

[markanthony7]

Father Time Delieys is her sister, they also have another named Maria and she is now engaged to a gentleman from Chicago a school superitendent, I agree brother Catz, its time to put down the weapons

[sean126]

I agree brother Catz, its time to put down the weapons

With that said...and with probably no more comments about Arshareef's experience, the thread is closed.