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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2006, 08:08:16 PM »
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Agreed, this IMBRA thing is just as rediculous as the laws making convicted sex offenders register their address with local officials. Americans have a God-given right to privacy!

If you are a sex offender, you should have to register with local authorities.  You are a clear threat to the general public, especially if you are abusing children...period!  The problem is that our govt. is too loose with the term sex offender.  If your wife or girlfriend claims you forced yourself on her and you are  found guilty, you are now labeled a sex offender.  Hmmm...it boils down to common-sense which apparently most people in US politics don't have.

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First, bar law enforcement at all levels from taking race, ethnicity, national origin and religion into account when assessing radical Islamic terror threats. (But continue to allow the use of those factors to ensure "diversity" in public-college admissions, contracting, and police- and fire-department hiring.)

Not all those factors make a terrorists.  Extremists come in all colors from all countries.  As soon as you focus on one people, then you leave the door open for others to raid your domain.  Creating diversity has nothing to do with terrorism .  You're comparing apples to squashes (common sense).

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Second, institute the "Eenie-meenie-miny-moe" random-search program at all subways, railways and bus stations.

That's how 9/11 happened in the first place, and it will be how it will happen again but this time far worse.

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Fifth, yell "Connect the dots!" while rebuilding and strengthening the walls that prevent information-sharing between the CIA, State Department, Justice Department, the Department of Homeland Security and other key government agencies.

They had the ability to share information before, but the fact is they didn't.  Too much bureaucracy and domain protection, meanwhile nobody's doing anything with the information that they have.  These agencies clearly let the American people down...period!

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Seventh, sit back and wait to blame the president for failing to take aggressive, preventative measures when the next terrorist attack hits.

His job is to take the blame when he [snip]s up.  My boss used to use the "[snip] Balloon" analogy.  The president should have paid heed to what he was told when he took office about Osama being the biggest threat of is administration.  He didn't...he was too focused on Iraq and Saddam, because his daddy got his feelings hurt and lost big time over the perceived weakness.  Too busy watching the front-door while the robber's steal you blind through the back.

The Republicans would have you believe that all liberals don't know what the hell they are talking about, while they are just as guilty of mistakes far too many to mention here.  The fact is that IMBRA like parts of the patriot act are flawed because of a lack of applying common-sense.  The president's flunky's briefed him on these laws prior to him signing them, yet he still signed them into law.  Thus the "[snip] Balloon" is over his desk.  If he would have been proactive and locked the back door while protecting the front, 9/11 would not have and should not have been avoided.  IMBRA could have been avoided if politicians and judges would have been doing there jobs in protecting all its people from your psychos.  They dropped the ball and now they are trying to make up for it.  We saw the same thing with the domestic violence laws back in the mid 90s.

The problem is that we have too many politicians too busy getting laid, getting free trips, or fattening their wallets to be concerned over what is really going on in this country and with its people...period.[/quote]

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Don't like the Patriot Act? Why not just raise your hands in the air and surrender to Al Qaida?

If you think that the patriot act is going to protect us from al qaida, then "God help us all".  Nothing is going to protect us more than everyone just doing their damn jobs (CIA, FBI, etc.).  These people will always find ways around the obvious.  To hell with the patriot act, do something about the damn easy access borders.  That's how they got in the first place.

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« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2006, 04:22:51 AM »
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If your wife or girlfriend claims you forced yourself on her and you are found guilty, you are now labeled a sex offender. Hmmm...it boils down to common-sense which apparently most people in US politics don't have.

Well, if you are convicted of rape by a jury of your peers in a court of law, then guess what? YOU ARE A RAPIST! Maybe you think rape is a private personal matter, but I sure as hell want to know if a rapist is living on my block. When you committed rape, you gave up some of your rights to privacy. Besides, only a little coward would rape another woman, whether it was your “girlfriend” or not. Now THAT’S common sense where I come from! Why do the liberals like sex offenders anyway?

Since you seem to disagree with most of what Michelle wrote in her column, I’ll take it that you are big a fan of the New York Times and the ACLU. To me it’s only common sense to consider both of those organizations as our enemies. They are clearly on the side of the terrorists and never pass up an opportunity to undermine our efforts to fight the war on terror. If you want to help our enemies, then YOU are the enemy!

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Not all those factors make a terrorists. Extremists come in all colors from all countries. As soon as you focus on one people, then you leave the door open for others to raid your domain. Creating diversity has nothing to do with terrorism . You're comparing apples to squashes (common sense).

What? Race, ethnicity, national origin and religion don’t have anything to do with assessing radical Islamic terror threats? Where have you been? Were you born after 9/11/01? Those are EXACTLY the common factors present in most radical Islamic terror attacks and if you ignore them, then you might as well just surrender now.

And nobody said that creating diversity equated to terrorism. Can you read? The article was all about liberal HYPOCRICY! The point was that liberals oppose profiling when fighting terrorists but promote profiling in the name of diversity, and Michelle made that point very well in her article.

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That's how 9/11 happened in the first place, and it will be how it will happen again but this time far worse.

Yes, exactly Michelle’s point! As long as the whining liberals insist on tying our hands, the terrorists will find us an easy target.

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They had the ability to share information before, but the fact is they didn't. Too much bureaucracy and domain protection, meanwhile nobody's doing anything with the information that they have. These agencies clearly let the American people down...period!

You missed the point entirely. It’s not about the past. It’s about the whining liberals like the ACLU doing all they can to prevent the government from obtaining intelligence information on our enemies TODAY. Whose freaking side are those traitors on anyway?

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The president should have paid heed to what he was told when he took office about Osama being the biggest threat of is administration.

And if Bill Clinton was doing HIS job, then Osama wouldn't have been a threat in 2001. But again you completely missed the point. It’s not about what happened 5 years ago, it’s about what the whining liberals are doing now. That’s EXACTLY the liberals’ game. Obstruct attempts to fight our enemies at every turn and then blame the president when the terrorists are successful. Just watch and see.

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The Republicans would have you believe that all liberals don't know what the hell they are talking about, while they are just as guilty of mistakes far too many to mention here.

Of course both parties have made many mistakes, but when it comes to fighting terrorism, the liberals are clearly on the wrong side. When the liberals continually obstruct out ability to fight terrorists, while bitching and whining about our lack of success in the war on terror, then they are nothing but phony hypocrites. The Democrats seem willing to sell out their country in favor of furthering their own political goals.

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If you think that the patriot act is going to protect us from al qaida, then "God help us all". Nothing is going to protect us more than everyone just doing their damn jobs (CIA, FBI, etc.). These people will always find ways around the obvious. To hell with the patriot act, do something about the damn easy access borders. That's how they got in the first place.

That’s exactly what the Patriot act is…a tool to help the FBI and law enforcement do their damn jobs! Again, the whining liberals will take away their ability to do their job and then whine like sniveling idiots when they fail to prevent another terrorist attack. To hell with the whining liberals and their terrorist comrades!

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« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2006, 07:51:40 AM »
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When you committed rape, you gave up some of your rights to privacy.

I wholeheartedly agree.  If you are a rapist or sex offender, you should register with the law in your community.  The problem is that it is not enforced.  These politicians pass these laws, but when they are not followed there are not followup or consequences.  There are a lot of sex offenders that aren't registering like they are supposed to.  The other issue is that you don't have to be a rapist to be a sex offender.  You can be labeled a sex offender because for grabbing your wife or girlfriend in an improper manner and then she calls the law and prosecutes you because she is mad at you.  You are now labeled a sex offender for the rest of your life and must register as such.  Sex offender is used too loosely.  We should be focused on the habitual, sick, [snip]s that go after little children or stalk, molest, or rape women or men.

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take it that you are big a fan of the New York Times and the ACLU.

Not big supporter, but I do support their freedom of speech and press.  The ACLU does do some good and they help to keep the system in check.  Yes they get carried away with helping people not from this country or some racist bastard that I don't feel has any rights, but with freedom you take the bad with the good.

The freedom of the press also keeps the system in check.  The problem in today's society is that we have lost a lot of our ethics.  When you are more focused on getting out an unchecked or untrue story for sales, then this flaws the system.  There was a time when you could trust journalist, because they were ethical just like Accountants once upon a time.

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What? Race, ethnicity, national origin and religion don’t have anything to do with assessing radical Islamic terror threats? Where have you been? Were you born after 9/11/01? Those are EXACTLY the common factors present in most radical Islamic terror attacks and if you ignore them, then you might as well just surrender now.

Not always true Ray.  Not all Muslims are Arab and not all muslims are bad.  Muslims are probably the most diverse looking when it comes to ethinicity.  Some terrorists are also US citizens that are like the rebels that hate America, because their dreams and agendas weren't realized.  Just like in the Civil War, you can't try to form your own govt. or overthrow the govt. because you don't like something.  If we focus on one type of people, we open ourselves up for attacks from somewhere else.  I am not saying ignore them, but you can't blindly apply racial factors to all of them.  The terror attacks happened from false and forged information.  Technology can help to prevent these type of things.  The problem is our politicians are focused on other obvious things, while the terrorists are using less obvious ways to skirt around the system.

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And nobody said that creating diversity equated to terrorism. Can you read? The article was all about liberal HYPOCRICY! The point was that liberals oppose profiling when fighting terrorists but promote profiling in the name of diversity, and Michelle made that point very well in her article.

No she didn't!  Equating terrorism to creating diversity are no where close to each other.  People don't hate America around the world, they hate the hypocricy about Democracy.  You would be a fool if you thought that the right-wing extremist weren't hypocrites.  All you have to do is look at history.  When you look at certain characteristics of a terrorists, rapists, or whatever that is profiling.  I have no problem with that.  When you try to create a racial balance based upon national demographics that is creating diversity.  Her comparison is flawed (apples to squashes).

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As long as the whining liberals insist on tying our hands, the terrorists will find us an easy target.

No body is tying anyone's hands.  There are people that believe in democracy that don't want to see Hitler style tactics used to justify their means.  The only reason 9/11 happened and will most likely happen again is not because anyone's hands are tied, it will happen because people aren't doing their job.  The govt. let the people down during 9/11, because people sat on informatin that they derived without using unlawful and unconstitutional tactics.  They found us an easy target then because we didn't make our borders and airlines as safe as we could have.  This is still a problem today even after 9/11, and now the money is being spent elsewhere.  Talking about hypocricy!

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It’s not about the past. It’s about the whining liberals like the ACLU doing all they can to prevent the government from obtaining intelligence information on our enemies TODAY.

The ACLU does have problems, but our agencies still have enough resources to thwart anything that terrorist could try to pull.  There is always more than one way to skin a cat.  The ACLU is just an excuse.  The govt. has wide-ranging powers to do many things deemed necessary in a times of war or American safety.  The problem before is they slept.  The problem going forward won't be the ACLU but it will because they will sleep again.  The agencies charged with protecting us are still having internal problems, which have nothing to do with any liberalits.  Nothing ever gets done until something major happens.  That is the mentality that needs to change.  

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And if Bill Clinton was doing HIS job, then Osama wouldn't have been a threat in 2001.

Wrong again!  Yes we knew Osama was a big threat then, but the problem is that the American people didn't want to hear it and there was no way they were going to support a war to get him.  I thought that Big Bush should have snatched Saddam years ago, but he said that the world would not have allowed it.  The same thing in the Clinton years.  After 9/11, little Bush had carte blanche to do anything that he wanted.  Other Administrations didn't have this privilege.

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Of course both parties have made many mistakes, but when it comes to fighting terrorism, the liberals are clearly on the wrong side. When the liberals continually obstruct out ability to fight terrorists, while bitching and whining about our lack of success in the war on terror, then they are nothing but phony hypocrites. The Democrats seem willing to sell out their country in favor of furthering their own political goals.

Come on Ray?!  You know this is not true.  I am neither Democrat or Republican (liberal or conservative), but I know that there are many people that love this country and will lay their lives down for it.  Current Administration has gotten just about everything wrong.  That is a fact.  The President should be to blame.  It isn't the liberals fault that we haven't caught Osama, although he has been cornered numerous times.  Hell all you hear is Republicans whining and crying foul like little bitches.  It may not be the Presiden't fault either, but he is the President ([snip] ballon). The problem with politics today is that there isn't enough debate.  The President basically does what he wants.  In my profession, debate is how we deliver flexible, all encompassing solutions that solves the problem.  The Republicans don't listen to all sides, hence that is why they have continually gotten it wrong.  Now they make excuses why they keep failing(boo, hoo).  When the dems [snip] up the pubs are the first to point fingers.  This is the American way and the problem.  The [snip] balloon is over the President's desk.  It comes with the territory.

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That’s exactly what the Patriot act is…a tool to help the FBI and law enforcement do their damn jobs! Again, the whining liberals will take away their ability to do their job and then whine like sniveling idiots when they fail to prevent another terrorist attack. To hell with the whining liberals and their terrorist comrades!

I don't believe that they have a problem with the entire act, they have a problem with some of the details of the act.  From my understanding, some of these issues can be rectified by the changing or re-wording of a few lines.  IMBRA has some good points, but the problem is the all or nothing with these pieces of legislation.  So instead of changing these small pieces, everyone bitch and moan and call names instead of finding solutions.  

"United we stand, divided we fall".  That is where the terrorists will strike next...right at our divisive weakness.

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« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2006, 03:16:47 PM »
Ebony, you sound very confused and your statements are all over the place.

First, you express sympathy for the poor rapists and now you tell us that grabbing your wife improperly will label you a sex offender? Where in the hell did you hear that nonsense? You made it up, that’s where.

You can defend the ACLU all you want, but anyone with a brain knows they are out to destroy our country as we know it. The ACLU IS THE ENEMY. They are pro terrorist, anti religion, anti capitalism, they are trying to destroy the Boy Scouts because they won’t let faggots be scout leaders (thank God!), they are for open borders, they oppose the Patriot act and any other means to defeat terrorists, etc.  Did you know the founder of the ACLU was a communist?

I have no idea why you are ranting about freedom of the press. Did anyone say the New York Times or the ACLU can not express their opinions? You are getting way out in left field.

Now you say not all Muslims are Arab? DUH! Who ever said they were??? I think Michelle Malkin’s excellent Article just went way over your head and you have no clue what she was trying to say. I’m not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you any more.

You said nobody is tying anyone's hands. Then you refer to the Patriot Act to “Hitler style tactics”? What the F*$# are you talking about? A typical liberal tactic is to scream “racism”, or compare conservatives to “Hitler”. Well, that leftist crap won’t fly here! Did you know that the BIPARTISAN Patriot Act passed by overwhelming majorities in both the House (357–66) and Senate (98-1)? So where do you come up with this stupid-ass Hitler nonsense?

First you said “to hell with the Patriot Act”? Then you said the liberals only have a problem with the wording of a few lines of the Patriot Act? Which lines? Which wording don't you like? Have you even read the Patriot Act?

Wake up man! The ACLU and the whining leftists are out to destroy the Patriot Act. They want to free the terrorists at Guantanamo. They want the terrorists to win. They ARE the enemy!

If you think leftist groups like the ACLU and the New York Times are going to save your ass from the jihadists, then you’re nuttier that a fruit cake.

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« Reply #29 on: February 10, 2006, 04:21:29 PM »
Ray it is obvious that you have your opinions and agenda and are incapable of understanding or hearing anyone's opinion.  Sounds a lot like Bush, that is why he is a [snip] up and will continue [snip]ing up because he doesn't listen except to himself.

There are always two sides to every story and I am sure that everyone that you claim is out to destroy America loves America just as much as the next person.  Because they see things differently than you you label them, like all Republicans, as people that want to destroy America.

You are incapable of understanding my points, because I am open to a good argument and can see both sides without prejudice.  Since I can see both sides, I know better solutions lie beneath.  You have an all or nothing attitude, and it is clear that you won't change your mind.  That article was a one-sided all or nothing, everyone is wrong view just like the view that your radical, extremist terrorist take towards us.  There are no reasoning with attitudes like that, so I won't even try. You sound like a person that needs the last word, so I will let you have that.:roll:

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« Reply #30 on: February 10, 2006, 05:17:46 PM »
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it is obvious that you have your opinions and agenda and are incapable of understanding or hearing anyone's opinion.  Sounds a lot like Bush, that is why he is a f#*k up and will continue [snip]ing up because he doesn't listen except to himself.

Excuse me, but you’re full of crap!

I’ve been listening to your baloney and I understand perfectly your agenda. You oppose America’s war on terror and think the ACLU is your savior. When someone disagrees with you, you pull out the “Hitler” comments like any good leftist will do when he can’t back up his statements. Your hatred of Bush is now showing itself, even though you have been trying so hard to hide it (LOL). And you simply didn’t like Michelle Malkin’s article because you can’t handle the truth.

You still haven’t answered my question. Have you even read the Patriot Act? I didn’t think so. You can condemn the Patriot Act to hell if you wish, but please read the damn thing before blowing smoke out of your ass again. Now try to present you arguments in an intelligent manner and be specific about exactly what you oppose in the Patriot Act, if you can… :P

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From its very foundation the mission of the ACLU was well defined by its founder, Roger Baldwin: "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class… Communism is the goal."

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« Reply #31 on: February 10, 2006, 11:56:47 PM »
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Your hatred of Bush is now showing itself,

What's so wrong with hating Bush?  I despise the guy.  Most non-Americans do.  Most Americans do.  I would love to lock him up in a room with the families of Iraqis that were murdered for no reason.  You know, the innocent families, the children, the women.  In what he did to Iraq, can easily be compared as to what Osama did to New York on 9/11.  The only difference is the US gave warning.  I would love to see Iraqis thank Mr. Bush for what he has done for them.

Rot in hell Bush!!!
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What's so wrong with hating Bush?  I despise the guy.  Most non-Americans do.  Most Americans do.  I would love to lock him up in a room with the families of Iraqis that were murdered for no reason.  You know, the innocent families, the children, the women.  In what he did to Iraq, can easily be compared as to what Osama did to New York on 9/11.  The only difference is the US gave warning.  I would love to see Iraqis thank Mr. Bush for what he has done for them.

Rot in hell Bush!!!

That was hillarious! :lol:

What's so wrong with hating Bush? Nothing, really. In fact, it’s to be expected of the whining little weenies on the left.

But I believe that you’re completely wrong in your ass-umption that most people hate George Bush. Polls may show that a majority of Democrats, Western Europeans, Canadians, and Muslims strongly disagree with or dislike him and his policies, but those who actually hate him are no where near being in the majority.

In America, I think you’ll find that the real Bush haters are the leftist elitists who “think” they are always right and have not come to grips with the reality that they are losers who just can’t convince the majority of American voters to agree with them. They hate Bush because they think they are smarter than he is, but every time they turn around they find that Bush has outsmarted them again. They hate Bush because he is the biggest threat to their pursuit of power and they can’t beat him even when they cheat. They hate Bush because they tried to steal another election in Florida and the Republicans beat them fairly. They hate Bush because all of their traditional dirty political tactics haven’t been able to defeat him in a fair and free election. They hate Bush because they know that they can only win in the liberal courts and now Bush is ruining their little game by appointing conservatives to the courts. The Democratic far-left is so consumed with hatred of Bush that they make themselves look like pathetic whining fools whenever they open their mouths.

Outside of America, I believe that most people respect Bush as a man who has strong convictions who sticks by those convictions regardless of the incessant whining of his opposition at home. They may not agree with his convictions, but they aren’t consumed with hatred of him.

The foreign leftist press will have you believe that Bush is the worst thing to hit the international political scene in decades, but the foreign press has only fooled the fools. Listening to the whining leftist press in France, Germany, Britain, Canada, and elsewhere, one would believe that any government supporting Bush and the Iraq war was doomed to the garbage heap of political suicide. Well, it looks like the leftist media was dead wrong. Blair won re-election in the U.K., Howard won re-election in Australia, and Germany and Canada tossed out their whining leftist cry-babies in favor of more pro-American candidates. Now in the face of reality, do you STILL believe that George Bush is hated by a majority all over the world? If you do, then you’re just another ignorant dupe of the leftist media.

The real Bush haters abroad are the Muslim fanatics of course, because he has defeated them at every turn so far and they just can’t scare him off with their bullying terror tactics. Then there are the whining weenies from the socialist left, like yourself, who feel so frustrated that a perceived dolt like Bush has everyone fooled and keeps winning elections in America. Folks like you who cannot fathom why Americans actually like Bush and keep voting for him. Whining little pacifists like yourself who have no idea what war is all about and like to scream “murder” from the rooftops whenever a civilian casualty is reported. Cowards like the French who don’t have the guts to stand up and fight for what they believe in.

Actually, I find it quite refreshing that folks like you are so consumed with hatred for George Bush and all that he stands for. It tells me that he is doing a marvelous job. So go ahead and continue to consume yourself with your hatred of Bush, and remember that he whom you hate controls you… ROFLMAO!

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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2006, 08:29:30 AM »
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I’ve been listening to your baloney and I understand perfectly your agenda. You oppose America’s war on terror and think the ACLU is your savior. When someone disagrees with you, you pull out the “Hitler” comments like any good leftist will do when he can’t back up his statements. Your hatred of Bush is now showing itself, even though you have been trying so hard to hide it (LOL). And you simply didn’t like Michelle Malkin’s article because you can’t handle the truth.

You still haven’t answered my question. Have you even read the Patriot Act? I didn’t think so. You can condemn the Patriot Act to hell if you wish, but please read the damn thing before blowing smoke out of your ass again. Now try to present you arguments in an intelligent manner and be specific about exactly what you oppose in the Patriot Act, if you can…  

Ray you're the one that is full of [snip], because you spout off without reading or understanding anything presented to you.  When you read something that you like to hear, you read it thoroughly.  If it is an opinion against yours, you go off on these psychotic tandrums.

For one I don't hate Bush or know of anyone else that I hate.  I simply don't agree with some of his convictions.  As President, his job is to do his job based upon the will of the people.  I called him a [snip] up, because the majority of his decisions have been [snip]ed up.  

I am not going to waste my time with you, because you obviously don't believe in the foundation that America was build on.  You take people's words out of context and label them traitors, which tells me that you obviously don't even understand or care about any agenda that is not yours.  You label me a rapist and terrorist supporter :lol:.  You sound like a comedian from Comedy Central.  To the contrary I said just the opposite.  I have a cousin that was raped and molested.  I also know that around here that if you are charged with any type of crime sexually related (rape or not), no matter how serious, you are considered a sex offender.  You must then register as such for the rest of your life.  I also have close family and friends serving in the military, one of which has served three tours of duty in Iraq.  So you don't what the hell you are talking about when you label me.

It is obvious that you are a die-hard Republican, therefore you obviously don't believe in fair  elections.  That is why you have to redraw political territories in order to gain extra seats in the house.  For you information, I am in the middle (neither Republican or Democrat) neither right or left. Obviously you skipped over that portion in my last post also.

To answer you question "Have I sat down to read the patriot act in its entirety with a cup of coffee"?  No!  But I am aware that it lacks a lot of the checks and balances built into the process,  such as obtaining warrants simply by stating suspicion.  Our govt. authorities already have these powers without by-passing our judicial process.  They obtained this information before 9/11 without these broad reaching powers, and they still let the American people down.  The patriot act is redundant and won't make them anymore effective in fighting terror.  When I stated "to hell with the patriot act", I simply meant that I didn't care.  I don't have anything to hide, and I don't associate with any known terrorists, rapist, or felons.  So it simply doesn't affect me, but I still believe in the system of checks and balances.  That is the strenghth of our democracy.

If you think Bush is so smart after all the mistakes and miscalculations he and his administration has made, there is nothing that will convince you. :roll:

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« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2006, 09:39:04 AM »
Mr. Prince -

Ray is just being the good foot soldier for the GOP.  He has pledged blind fealty to a political party and he will do everything he can to defend it.  There are a number of people like him in our country.  The Democrats also have people like this that believe their leaders can do no wrong.  They are intelligent people whose minds kind of lock up when someone criticizes the people they support and they do not think clearly.  People in the middle have a difficult time understanding extremists.

I do not hate George Bush at all.  I actually feel a little sorry for him.  Right now he is an unpopular President and I doubt he will be able to recover.  His credibility is shot. It seems that every speech he gives, it is open mouth and insert foot. This "turns out we were wrong" on WMD in Iraq is just totally unacceptable.  This is where he lost the American people. The fact that Osama can murder 3,000 people and still be alive to taunt the U.S. is unacceptable.  I also do not understand why George Bush feels he needs to torture to gain information.  This is what the enemies of the U.S. do.  When you adopt the methods and practices of your enemies, you start to become like them.  Because George Bush has been wrong on so many issues, it is hard to be able to trust him.  I do not think we need to set the constitution aside and trust him to do the right thing.  His past history does not warrant this.

I have always thought that he is clearly in over his head governing this great country.  I will never understand why he cannot pay his bills.  He spends money like a drunken sailor.  Maybe because he grew up the son of a rich man, he has never had to really do an honest days work for his money?  I do not think he relates well to people who are not wealthy.  But this not paying bills has been true of GOP administrations for decades.

Do you ever wonder why all of his audiences are hand picked?  He does not tolerate dissent well.  People are angry at him and his policies.

I was really amused by the new GOP house leader elected to "reform" the house.  They elected a tanned, chain smoking tobacco lobbyist as their new leader?  He is already down playing any real reform because he cannot see any problem?

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« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2006, 12:26:33 PM »
Well said and to the point without all the dramatics :)!

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2006, 07:38:56 PM »
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Ray you're the one that is full of [snip], because you spout off without reading or understanding anything presented to you.

HUH?  :roll:

First, you whine about the poor sex offenders who have to register because they are convicted of raping their wives or girlfriends, like it’s somehow O.K. to rape your wife or girlfriend.

Then you change your story and try to tell us that poor innocent men are being put on the sex offender rolls for simply “grabbing” their wife or girlfriend in an “improper manner”? What a stupid-ass thing to say!

Then when challenged you can’t even tell us where you heard of this “improper grabbing” charge?

Then you agree with the ACLU and say the hell with the patriot act and think the solution is instead protecting our borders, yet you’re too stupid to know that the ACLU is trying it’s hardest to stop us from protecting out borders?

Then you tell me I’m wrong because “not all Muslims are Arab and not all Muslims are bad”? You pulled that one straight out of your ass and can’t show anyone where I ever said or even implied such a stupid thing.

Then when discussing the Patriot Act you use the term “Hitler style tactics” in an attempt to portray the act’s supporters as nazis and mass murderers. When, challenged on your stupid-ass comment you try to tell us that you are “open to a good argument and can see both sides without prejudice”? Referring to the other side as “Hitler” is seeing the other side without prejudice? Are you freaking nuts?

When I ask you if you even read the Patriot Act, you admit that you haven’t. When I ask you to explain which parts of the Patriot Act are flawed, you have no answer because you obviously know NOTHING about the Patriot Act and only “think” it’s bad because your leftist buddies at the ACLU want to trash it. Then, YOU have the balls to accuse ME of being “full of [snip], because you spout off without reading or understanding anything presented to you”??? Well bozo, it’s obvious to any fool that it’s YOU who have been spouting off about a law without reading or understanding it.

It is obvious that you are just another a die-hard cool-aid-drinking leftist who will buy into the party line of lies and misinformation without using whatever brain you may have to think for yourself. Bye bozo!

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« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2006, 07:43:34 PM »
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Well said and to the point without all the dramatics

Uh, I hate to pour cold water on your love affair with your new found Troll buddy, but he's just as full of crap as you are.

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« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2006, 07:13:36 AM »
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First, you whine about the poor sex offenders who have to register because they are convicted of raping their wives or girlfriends, like it’s somehow O.K. to rape your wife or girlfriend.

That shows how much an [snip]ing idiot you are!  In my first comment "If you are a sex offender, you should have to register with local authorities. You are a clear threat to the general public, especially if you are abusing children...period!".  I secondly mentioned that if you committ any type of crime of a sexual nature you are labeled by the court as a sex offender regardless of rape, molestation, or being a predator.  You never seen me write anything supporting rapist.  That's something you made up in your twisted head.

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Then you agree with the ACLU and say the hell with the patriot act and think the solution is instead protecting our borders, yet you’re too stupid to know that the ACLU is trying it’s hardest to stop us from protecting out borders?

I mentioned support of the ACLU for doing some good things and expressing support in their right to do what they are doing(it is called democracy [snip]).  I also mentioned that I also don't like some things that they do.  I also made mention that your idiot heros talk all this other crap and still aren't protecting our borders.  Maybe you should go back to school and take up reading comprehension (duh!)

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Then you tell me I’m wrong because “not all Muslims are Arab and not all Muslims are bad”?

You are an idiot if you think all Muslims are Arab.  Muslims have many racial backgrounds.  With all the [snip]ing reading that you do you should know that.  That requires no explanation...

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Then when discussing the Patriot Act you use the term “Hitler style tactics” in an attempt to portray the act’s supporters as nazis and mass murderers.

You never read me call anyone nazis or mass murderers.  That is something you conjured up in your sick ass, twisted mind.  I mentioned about the Patriot trying to circumvent methods that are in place to ensure checks and balances.  It is redundant.  You haven't responded to any of the negative facts that I have presented to you, which ratifies what I said about you only being interested in running your [snip]ing mouth!!!  You have no defense for your [snip]ed administration...period.  

I find it funny that your [snip]ed up buddy signs the IMBRA bill that you are against, but you make no mention to that.  He also signs the Patriot Act, but then we can't even see his military records although he is a public figure.  Then when we get them the parts that we're interested in are suprisingly missing.  The he declares war, but he used his daddy's influence to stay out of the war.  I only deal in facts!  Idiots know nothing about facts...just psycho babble!!!

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It is obvious that you are just another a die-hard cool-aid-drinking leftist who will buy into the party line of lies and misinformation without using whatever brain you may have to think for yourself. Bye bozo!

Another idiot comment from a jackass!  Don't drink cool-aid.  Not a leftist.  Obviously you can't read either because I have presented my affiliations, or you chose to gloss over them as you usually do.  You are an extremist like your Muslim buddies.  You are just on different sides of the fence.  I think that you need to attach the bozo, meat-head label to yourself, because obviously the Republicans have found their little whore!!!
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« Reply #39 on: February 12, 2006, 08:27:06 AM »
EbonyPrince -

I would not worry about Ray.  In Ray's world, an opinion contrary to what he thinks you should have, will not be tolerated.  This is the world he lives in.  Extremists are like that.

Too bad he cannot handpick the people on this forum like the Bush handlers do anytime George goes out in public.  This is how they handle dissent from the party line, they exclude people who do not believe what they believe.

Stay with your own independent thoughts.

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« Reply #40 on: February 12, 2006, 11:35:32 AM »
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That shows how much an [snip]ing idiot you are!

Hey bozo,

Now you're stuttering. Calm down before you blow a gasket. You take this stuff WAY too personal.

You know, the more you open your mouth, the more you look like a retarded moron. Since you obviously suffer from chronic memory loss, let’s help refresh your dying brain cells.

Bony: “You never seen me write anything supporting rapist. That's something you made up in your twisted head.”

No, it wasn’t made up in my head. It came from your head bozo. Here are your words: “The problem is that our govt. is too loose with the term sex offender. If your wife or girlfriend claims you forced yourself on her and you are found guilty, you are now labeled a sex offender. Hmmm...it boils down to common-sense which apparently most people in US politics don't have.”

If you were “found guilty” because you “forced yourself” on your girlfriend, then any rational person would take that to mean that you were convicted in a court of law of RAPING her and YES, YOU ARE A SEX OFFENDER! Now tell us that forcing yourself on your girlfriend is not rape. The problem here is that you are just too damn stupid to even know what you are writing. If you want to show sympathy for the poor bastards out there that were convicted of raping their girlfriends and have to register as sex offenders, then stand up like a man and stick to your position. Don’t be such a whiny little dork and try to wiggle out of what YOU SAID. Your words bozo.

And you STILL haven’t explained to us your silly statement about the poor sex offenders who are on the list for grabbing their wife’s ass. ROFLMAO!

Bony: “You are an idiot if you think all Muslims are Arab. Muslims have many racial backgrounds. With all the [snip]ing reading that you do you should know that. That requires no explanation...”

Well dum-dum, can you PLEASE show us where I claimed that “all Muslims are Arab”? I think you are the one who should “go back to school and take up reading comprehension (duh!)”. Are you really that stupid?

Bony: “You never read me call anyone nazis or mass murderers. That is something you conjured up in your sick ass, twisted mind.”

Someone here has a sick-ass twisted mind alright. Look in the mirror bozo! Will you please explain to us what you REALLY meant when you used the term “Hitler like tactics”? When a whiny-ass liberal like yourself plays the “Hitler” card in the middle of an argument, that’s exactly what you are doing…clearly implying that those who disagree with you are nazis and mass murderers, which is what Hitler was all about. NOBODY innocently plays the Hitler card and you are a bozo to think that we didn’t know what you were trying to do. You’re just another phony leftist.

Bony: “You haven't responded to any of the negative facts that I have presented to you, which ratifies what I said about you only being interested in running your [snip]ing mouth!!! You have no defense for your [snip]ed administration...period.”

Hey Bony, you better take your blood pressure meds. You’re losing it again. I thought we were discussing sex offenders, the Patriot Act, and privacy issues. Why are you trying to change the topic? Because you have zero knowledge of what you are arguing about. If you want to discuss the “[snip]ed up” administration or the “[snip]ed up” president, please start your own “[snip]ed up” thread. But before you do that, please do some research on your chosen topic so you won’t come across as just another “[snip]ed up” uninformed pea brain. LOL!

Hey Bony, can I ask you a question? Why did you get so upset and go bananas when I called you a “die-hard cool-aid-drinking leftist”? I’m sorry that you took that so personal, but to tell you the truth it was just a little experiment of mine. In your previous post, you were ranting on and you said: “It is obvious that you are a die-hard Republican.” Gee Bony, YOU like to use labels on others but we can’t use labels on you? What a phony hypocrite you are! You don’t know me or my affiliations, yet you are fast and loose with your little labels. My bet was that you would whine like a little child because I labeled you just like you did me and guess what bozo? I WAS RIGHT! LOL! You’re just too easy…

You know Bony, you can try to deny that you are a cool aid drinking leftist, but we’re smarter than you I guess, because you have been spouting the leftist Democrat party line all along and you are fooling NOBODY.

Bony: “I find it funny that your [snip]ed up buddy signs the IMBRA bill that you are against, but you make no mention to that.”

Why do you keep going back to Imbra when you have nothing intelligent to say? I’m not sure who you mean when you refer to my “[snip]ed up buddy”, but let’s just assume you are talking about your president. You claim that I made no mention of Bush signing IMBRA into law? I’m sorry to tell you this bozo, but I certainly did mention that, but you must have had your pointy little head stuck up your ass at the time and you missed it. May I suggest that before you accuse me or any one else of something, that you get your facts straight FIRST? You are only showing yourself to be a brainless little dolt when you blow smoke out of your arse like that.

Now run along little man and see if you can find that brain that you misplaced.

Tip of the day: When debating a point, try not to use the words “[snip]” and “[snip]ed up” in every other sentence. It only serves to make you look like you are desperate and have nothing intelligent to present as evidence to back up your point. You’re welcome…  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #41 on: February 12, 2006, 11:38:07 AM »
Hey Bony, I think your new Troll buddy is in love with you. Do you think he is gay?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2006, 05:35:23 AM »
No I didn't stutter...I called you a [snip]ing idiot!  Why are you going to grab your ball and take your little punk-ass home now?!  If you can dish it, you better be able to take it.

You have been the one whining and complaining dealing out insults in your thread, and reading into and telling me what you think I said.  If you can't take the heat, then get out of the [snip]ing kitchen.  No one wants to hear your republican babble.  If you aren't a pub, then I apologize for the insult (relax...I am just joking).  When someone expresses an opinion, you jump on comments and figures of speech and take it like a little bitch.  Are you sure you aren't one Raymona?!  Why don't you grab your little dictionary and look up each word that I wrote above and stop boring me...

I will leave the research to you, since you obviously have nothing better to do but look up words in a dictionary.  Do me a favor, when you feed us your bull[snip] give us both sides.

Now you start an attack on someone else that doesn't agree with you and label them?!  Can you say hypocrite?  I don't have a problem with you Ray, and I actually agree with some things that you post...just not all.  I will definately let you know when I disagree. You don't have to worry about me running scared.

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« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2006, 07:26:24 AM »
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Now you start an attack on someone else that doesn't agree with you

What the hell are you mumbling about?  :roll:  :roll:  :roll:  

Well, well, well. Isn’t that a surprise. When you can’t argue your points any more, you go into the whining crybaby mode and complain that someone is attacking you? What a stinking little baby you are!

You accuse me of making stuff up and you challenge me to show where you said something and then when I show your DIRECT quote where you really did say it, you have no comment. No comment because you are just another discredited phony ass liberal with no intelligent argument. You have been reduced to a whining cry baby and your only defense left is the typical coward’s pathetic babbling nonsense.

I ask you to tell us how forcing yourself on your girlfriend is not rape and what is your answer?
Bony:  â€œare you going to grab your ball and take your little punk-ass home now?  :lol:  :lol:

Wow, what an intelligent response. You dumb-ass cry-baby.

I ask you to explain your statement that innocent men are forced to register as sex offenders because the grabbed their wife inappropriately and what is your answer?
Bony: “Why don't you grab your little dictionary and look up each word that I wrote above and stop boring me”  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

You didn’t answer because you were bored Bony. You didn’t answer because you have no answer. You came here to argue, but you only pull illogical nonsense like that out of your ass and then you can’t back it up. You said it, so why can’t you back it up Bony? What a coward!

You make some stupid-ass accusation that I think all Muslims are Arabs and when I ask you to please show us where I ever said such a ridiculous thing, what is your answer?
Bony: “When someone expresses an opinion, you jump on comments and figures of speech and take it like a little bitch”  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Translation: You can’t answer my question because you have no answer. You accuse but you can’t back it up, so you whine like the little weenie that you are. If you can’t back up your stupid accusations, then put a cork in it bozo or someone will make you eat your own words.

You are a typical whining liberal Bony. Your stupid phony accusations aren’t going to fly here.

Bony: “It ain't the size of the dog brought to the fight, it is the size of the fight in the dog”  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Oh, how gay! You stupid little braggart! You’re just a little gay-looking Chihuahua with an annoying, shrill yapping mouth. You have no bite bozo and you're fooling nbody.  :P  :P  :P  :P  :P

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« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2006, 05:39:18 PM »
Look at the little psycho bitch whining!  Booh [snip]ing hoo :lol:.

I add opinionated comments to your little post, and like the emotional little bitch you are you start throwing accusations.  All your questions have been answered dork.  I made an insinuation on your Muslim comment.  If I hurt your feelings, I'm sorry baby!  I apologize.  Daddy won't ever hurt you again.  Daddy does wrong sometimes :lol:.  I'll pick you up some roses.  Will that make it better for Daddy?

First of all let me restate:  "If you are a rapist or molester, then you should register as a sex offender.  Idiots (Ray) please read above.

Sex Offender - all persons convicted of crimes involving sex, including rape, molestation, sexual harassment and pornography production or distribution.

In Ohio we have 3 classifications of sex offenders as set forth by the State Legislature, they are:

Sexually Oriented Offender, they were convicted of or plead guilty to a sexually oriented offense and they have to register once a year for a period of 10 years with the Sheriff's Office in the county that they reside in.

Habitual Sex Offender, determined by the sentencing court to have previously convicted of or plead guilty to one or more sexually oriented offenses.   They may or may not be subject to community notification, this is determined by the court.  They have to register once a year for a period of 20 years with the Sheriff's Office.

Sexual Predator, adjudicated by the sentencing court to be a sexual predator relative to the sexually oriented offense in question.  They are subject to community notification for life with address verification every 90 days with the Sheriff's Office.

All of the above classifications have to verify their address each and every time they move.  If they are subject to community notification it will be done each time they move or they notify us that they are moving.

I also looked up your Baldwin buddy, or whatever the [snip] his name was, and you left out a lot of relevent information (Republican nimrod).  You still didn't answer any of my questions.  Just like a little bitch.  I guess they do come in both genders.  

Hey dude...how much do you charge for research?

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« Reply #45 on: February 13, 2006, 08:32:26 PM »
EbonyPrince -

Go easy there on Ray.  You do not understand the tremendous pressure he is under to conform to the party line.  From a young age he was taught to think one way and one way only.  Dissent or an independent thought cannot and will not tolerated.  That is why you are seeing the 10 year old Ray that pounds on the table and shouts and calls people names thinking this will sway someone.  He is very predicable when he goes juvenile.

A free and open forum and society with independent thougts and opinions frightens and confuses him.  He takes offense if you express a contrary opinion and feels threatened.

Stay independent.

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« Reply #46 on: February 13, 2006, 08:52:56 PM »
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I also looked up your Baldwin buddy, or whatever the f#*k his name was, and you left out a lot of relevent information (Republican nimrod).

Huh? Have you been drinking again? What the hell are you mumbling about now? My "Baldwin buddy"? The only guy that I can think of that I mentioned in this thread even close to that is Gary Bala. So, you think Gary Bala is a "Republican nimrod"? ROFLMAO! If you have a beef with Gary Bala, why don't you bring it up directly with him, you dumb-ass bozo. He reads these posts.

Gee bozo, thanks for the lesson in Ohio law for sex offenders, but when are you going to show some evidence to back up your stupid comment about improper grabbing?

Bony: “You can be labeled a sex offender because for grabbing your wife or girlfriend in an improper manner and then she calls the law and prosecutes you because she is mad at you. You are now labeled a sex offender for the rest of your life and must register as such.”

Who are all of these guys on the sex offender list for “grabbing (their) wife or girlfriend in an improper manner?” Either retract your stupid remark or back it up. You started your rant in this thread by knocking the sex offender registration requirements. You obviously didn’t think that being convicted in a court of law for forcing yourself on your wife or girlfriend should get you labeled a sex offender. When I pointed out that is RAPE, you went berserk and accused me of making things up. Well bozo, is it rape or not? Once again for your feeble mind:

Bony: "The problem is that our govt. is too loose with the term sex offender. If your wife or girlfriend claims you forced yourself on her and you are found guilty, you are now labeled a sex offender. Hmmm...it boils down to common-sense which apparently most people in US politics don't have."

And apparently YOU don't have either. Listen bozo, words mean something and when you post your own words here, people may see fit to question you about your statements. Either admit that you were wrong and misspoke or be a man and stand up for your viewpoint. All this stupid whining and crying about somebody daring to question your opinions is just a bunch of bull [snip]. If you don’t want anyone to question your opinions, then keep your opinions to yourself. Does that make sense bozo?

You have been fast and loose with the name-calling, but you cry like a little child when someone calls you a name. Are so damn privileged that only YOU are allowed to label people and call them names? Either take it like a man or stop doing it yourself. All this drama-queen whining of yours isn’t very manly now, is it? I think "Ebony Princess" is more appropriate, don't you?
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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2006, 06:50:45 AM »
So are you trying to bring someone else into the fight Mona?  To answer your stupid, ignorant-ass comment - I appreciate all the work and effort that Mr. Bala is doing on IMBRA, probably free of charge.

I admit I don't even read your stupid, ignorant ass comments anymore.  You come off like a bitch in heat.  This is now a game to see how often your stupid ass will post here.  My teenage daughter has better conversation than you.  You need to stay away from your bull[snip] rebel sites and start watching the news.

Attacking isn't a normal part of my character, but you have defined the "Rules of Engagement".  When you attack me, the gloves come off and I will most definately attack back.  You back a dogg into a corner, he gone bite!


The American Civil Liberties Union, or ACLU, is a non-governmental organization (NGO) whose stated goal is to "defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person ... by the Constitution and laws of the United States." Lawsuits brought by the ACLU have been influential in several important developments in U.S. constitutional law, and according to the annual report has over 500,000 members as of the end of 2005. The ACLU provides lawyers and legal expertise in cases where it believes an individual's or group of individuals' rights are being challenged by the government or other citizens.

ACLU has never officially supported or opposed a political candidate, and is not aligned with any political party, though it has been harshly critical of various elected officials of both major parties over the years.  The ACLU is one of the most influential NGOs in the United States today; often controversial, its stances have engendered criticism from both sides of the political spectrum (see Critics of the ACLU).

Founders include Crystal Eastman, Albert DeSilver and Roger Nash Baldwin among others.  Baldwin became greatly influenced by the radical social movement of the anarchist Emma Goldman; he joined the Industrial Workers of the World and developed a sympathy for the Soviet Union and for Communism. According to one source, he once wrote "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of propertied class, and sole control by those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." (Peggy Lamson, Roger Baldwin: Founder of the American Civil Liberties Union: A Portrait; Boston: Houghton-Mifflin, 1976, p. 192.)

Baldwin's pro-Communist leanings lasted until 1939 when he was disillusioned by the Nazi-Soviet pact and broke off all radical ties; in 1927, he had visited the Soviet Union and wrote a book, Liberty Under the Soviets, which contained extensive praise for the country he denounced in a later book, A New Slavery, which condemned "the inhuman communist police state tyranny" [1]. In the 1940s, Baldwin led the campaign to purge the ACLU of Communist Party members [2].

In 1947, General Douglas MacArthur invited him to Japan to foster the growth of civil liberties in that country. In Japan, he founded the Japan Civil Liberties Union, and the Japanese government awarded him the Order of the Rising Sun. In 1948, Germany and Austria invited him for similar purposes.  Baldwin retired from the ACLU leadership in 1950, but remained active in politics for the rest of his life.

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« Reply #48 on: February 14, 2006, 05:54:25 PM »
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So are you trying to bring someone else into the fight Mona?

No I had no intention of dragging Gary Bala into our little argument and I’m actually relieved that you consider him as one of the good guys. But honestly he is the only name that sounded close to “…your Baldwin buddy, or whatever the f#*k his name was” that I could think of at the time. Anyway, the commie Baldwin of ACLU fame is certainly not my buddy (LOL). I consider the ACLU to be one of the biggest threats to our way of life in America and you apparently like them a lot. I am still pissed at them for the way they trashed The Boy Scouts of America here in San Diego and elsewhere. The Scouts are a great organization and don’t deserve being on the ACLU’s hit list. I'll take the Boy Scouts any day over a bunch of dumb-ass gay & lesbian activists.

You said “You need to stay away from your bull[snip] rebel sites and start watching the news.” I don’t frequent or support any kind of “rebel sites”, but If you’re referring to Michael Malkin, she is no rebel. She’s actually a very intelligent, though highly opinionated, Filipina woman who could probably be considered one of the best spokespersons for the conservative American viewpoint. She tells it like it is, is known for her honesty and integrity, and she has a lot more “balls” than most Republicans in government today. I think you simply misinterpreted half of what she said in the article I quoted. She is certainly no racist or right-wing nut case! You should check out her columns once in a while for a fresh perspective on the news of the day. As far as watching the network TV news, I don’t often miss a day of indulging in the mostly garbage that comes from at least one source at either CBS (Communist Broadcasting System), NBC (National Bull[snip] Conspiracy), and ABC (Alliance of Ball-less Communists). I consider CBS to be the most dishonest and biased of the bunch. FOX News is somewhat better than the others and gets it right more often than not.

I realize that we are on opposite sides of the political spectrum and I have no problem with that. I only took offense with your comments at least partially agreeing with the other guy who considered requiring the registration of sex offenders as a violation of their privacy rights. Do I think you have sympathy for guys who rape (or as you said force themselves on) their girlfriends or wives and have to register as sex offenders? I don’t know. Maybe you didn’t really mean to say that but are just too damn stubborn to retract it or maybe that’s just the way you feel. The last straw for me was when you played the “Hitler” card with your “Hitler like tactics” remark. I hear that kind of nonsense quite often from the far-left, referring to Bush or conservatives as Hitler. That [snip] won’t fly on this forum and if you have been reading Planet-Love for any length of time you would have known that you would get hit for making that snide remark. Hitler and the Nazis were despicable human garbage and to equate them with any member of our government is way over the line IMHO. I don’t have any idea what your intention was when you wrote that, but I heard it loud and clear and didn’t like it one bit.

You made some accusations against me and I made some against you. I am very careful to have my facts straight and have evidence to back up any accusations that I may make and I strongly suggest that you do likewise. Choosing your words carefully and being knowledgeable about the topic under discussion will avoid a lot of misunderstandings and flame wars I believe.

I don’t consider your insults and name-calling as overly strong and I certainly didn’t unleash a full load on you either. That junk doesn’t bother me anyway, so no hard feelings. I’ll agree to tone it down if you will. I think we can still disagree “politely” without getting carried away. Maybe we can even agree on some political stuff…who knows.

Do you mind if I call you “Bony”? That Ebony Prince thing just sounds too, uh… oh, never mind.  :lol:

Ray

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« Reply #49 on: February 14, 2006, 08:04:31 PM »
I simply mentioned that there are a lot of things that I don't like, but as an American I have to accept the bad with the good.  No I don't support the ACLU.  When they support racist scum, "what should I say you can't do that".  You have to choose your battles.  No I do not support gays in the boys scouts or military for obvious reasons, and I do not support the ACLU supporting foreigners.  I think that they need to better choose their battles, but as long as they remain impartial I have to remain impartial.  I feel that is what America stands for.

I have absolutely nothing against Michael Malkin.  I like people to keep it real, because I feel America has too many fake people as it is.  I put in comments just to say what about this or that to to cause some thought.  I don't believe in an all or nothing situation.  I am open to a good, solid argument.  I may change my mind based upon what I hear, but sometimes I may not.  It is called a debate, and I am always open to such.  I just want to hear both sides.  I watch a lot of CNN, and I specifically like to hear both sides Republican and Democrat so I can make up my own mind.  I am an independent and a non-denomination Christian.  I don't like labels, because I look at them as just another way of separating people.  This is the biggest issue we face today all over the world.

Ray...I started off by saying that "If you are a rapist or a molester, then you should register with the law...period".  I just have a problem in using a loose term such as sex offender for anything related to sex.  If you look at porn in your own home, I have no problem with that.  If you are looking at kiddie porn, then you are a sick person and should be prosecuted.  IMO normal guys don't act out except with their lady friends.  Child porn freaks act out and are freaks of nature that really can't control themselves.  I have two beautiful daughters 10 and 13, that I try to be a role-model for everyday of my life.  I have a cousin, who's older now, but a man is in jail now for raping her.  Luckily the cops got to him before my family did.  He actually turned himself in, because he knew they were looking for him ( and trust me, they weren't looking to talk).

My Hitler-style tactics comment only came from the point of meaning being able to go into someone's home only on suspicion without a warrant.  I will never support that.  The communists and Nazis did that a lot.  Just a figure of speech.  If that bothered you, then I apologize.  I don't think that you ever have a right to by-pass the judicial process.  The separation is what keeps our nation strong and the greatest in the world.  Agents and police already have the authority if not doing so would mean the lost of life to enter someone's home without a warrant.  Personally I don't care about rights of foreigners in our country illegally.  That may sound bad, but that is just my opinion.  I do care about someone entering my home or records as an American citizen.  I feel the govt. should always be responsible to the people and for the people no matter what race or how rich or poor.

When I make a comment, I am only expressing an opinion.  When I check the board I will quickly type something, and I may not get across my true meaning.  If I state something which is fact (meaning that which can be proven or based upon research and evidence), I will try to include information to back it up or something to indicate that I am stating a fact.  I typically look at this forum as a place to foster thought.  By all means if I say something off the cuff that you don't agree with or question, simply ask me to clarify what I meant.  I will then do my best to get across the true meaning of what I was trying to say.

I know that I don't know you personally, but trust me...me and my boy go at it on other topics worse than this using worse names than this.  We have known each other for about 18 years.  I have no problem with Boney.  My favorite jazz artist is a guy by the name of Boney James (http://www.boneyjames.com.  So I actually like it  :).

 

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