Hitting a lady

[fathertime]

My wife and I are having a disagreement over use of force in this video.  I think the policeman needed to take control of the situation and the girl was a belligerent brat that deserved to be swatted. My wife thinks that he should have not struck her.   I wonder what will come of this case, will the woman be charged (I think she should be) or will she win millions in some stupid lawsuit and be rewarded for interfering with the police.


http://youtu.be/f1Xd_ebWzQo





Fathertime!

[Researcher]

    I don't know about lady but that broad sure was stupid taking a swing at a cop! They probably should have peppered sprayed her belligerent  arse but there were many other people nearby that could have been sprayed. Assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest plus whatever else she did(probably drunk), I don't see what other options those cops had.If it had been a guy they certainly would have roughed him up a lot more for good measure.

      What was with the guy or girl there with their head down in the beginning?Were they drunk and passed out? I wonder what the original deal was?

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[euforia51]

I think the policeman needed to take control of the situation and the girl was a belligerent brat that deserved to be swatted.

It's always interesting to see the leaks in the whole womens' equality pool when stuff like this surfaces. Belligerent brat is a good description ... although a bit understated.

[robert angel]

Hard to make a call from just this video, especially not knowing what went on right before, but I think it looks excessive on the part of the cop. There appears to be two officers close in to her (and yes a lot of customers) but it doesn't look like it was a 'textbook case' on how to handle a male or female, sober or intoxicated.
 
After the initial slap the cop gave her, which seemed to come as she was trying to hold him back at arm's length, he damn near cold cocked her. Even if he doesn't get reprimanded/suspended, I bet he gets a good thrashing from the dept's Internal Affairs division.
 
Looks like she can take a pretty good punch though!
 
Once again, we're only seeing part of the story.

[thekfc]

We do not the the entire story or what led to this but the video shows how not to handle an altercation. 
The woman is now "weighing" her legal options.

Here is another angle:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9shJZCnPr9s

[fathertime]

Hola todos!
 I don’t think it was anything close to a cold-cocking.  She took 3 swings at his face, they were girl punches but the intent to injure was there.  She should have expected immediate retaliation.  The lady had no respect for the officer whatsoever.  I don’t know what made her think she was going to get away all of that. 


I empathized with the police more than the brazen woman.  The police were in a tough situation with what appeared to be a potentially hostile group in a confined area.  Once he started getting grabbed, I think he should do whatever he felt he needed to do to take charge of the situation. 


The fact is at this point we don’t know what prompted the situation, but people gotta realize that the police aren’t going to be interfered with.  Like researcher said, had that been a man taking those swings, he would likely be roughed up quite a bit more, and nobody would have blinked an eye.


Upon reviewing KFC’s video, it appeared the officers were trying to subdue the uncooperative other girl for quite some time, these girls had it coming, the original girl was lucky her friend took her beating for her!


Fathertime!

[euforia51]

I empathized with the police more than the brazen woman.  The police were in a tough situation with what appeared to be a potentially hostile group in a confined area.

I agree with this; despite not knowing all of the facts. But in my mind, there's obviously a blatent lack of respect for law enforcement. Besides, what good could possibly be going on in an iHop at 3:15am? Listen to it ... the joint sounds like a freakin' zoo!

[Researcher]

      I don't think this broad has much of a chance if she decides to bring a lawsuit. Her best bet would have been to take a dive as soon as the cop touched her.She could have played the poor defenseless damsel in that video and she could get rich off that. One thing is for sure, never get belligerent  with cops.

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[thekfc]

According to the officer's report:
The women at that table were "shouting" at two guys at another booth (the guys dress in Star Wars uniform). Then he (the cop who was sitting at a nearby booth)  told them to "quiet down" or they would have to leave.
One of the women responded that she isn't going anywhere & she was going to call the real cops. They didn't stop so he decided to arrest them.

Maybe she though that the cop was with the guys dressed in costumes. Very likely her comment about calling for the real cop may have infuriate the officer because from there things went down hill.
 
 The woman in black was not part of the group, she was at another table who "stepped in"  to "prevent" the cop from being so aggressive; for a bystander to "step in"  something was going on/went on. We are not getting the whole story.

 The women at the table were charged with obstruction of justice, criminal trespass and simple battery.
 
 The woman in black was charged with obstruction, public drunkenness and simple battery.

[Researcher]

      Public drunkenness...that explains alot.

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[thekfc]

I was talking to some guys at lunch & one of the guys made the comment "I wonder how many martinis that this woman had to drink. to be charge with public drunkenness?"

One of the other guy said that you do not have to drink or have alcohol in your system to be charge with public drunkenness, someone can be charge with public drunkenness in Georgia if they are conveying themselves as a public nuisance  which includes any loud and obnoxious activity.

There is one thing these ladies forgot ~  the 4 C's:
Cooperation ~ do what you are told.
Conversation ~  you will get your chance to give your side of the story but do it in a respectfully manner and without profanity.
Conduct ~  behave & maintain yourself in a professional manner.
Calm ~ always try to remain calm.

[ignorante]

I was talking to some guys at lunch & one of the guys made the comment "I wonder how many martinis that this woman had to drink. to be charge with public drunkenness?"

One of the other guy said that you do not have to drink or have alcohol in your system to be charge with public drunkenness, someone can be charge with public drunkenness in Georgia if they are conveying themselves as a public nuisance  which includes any loud and obnoxious activity.

There is one thing these ladies forgot ~  the 4 C's:
Cooperation ~ do what you are told.
Conversation ~  you will get your chance to give your side of the story but do it in a respectfully manner and without profanity.
Conduct ~  behave & maintain yourself in a professional manner.
Calm ~ always try to remain calm.

Bad advice all the way around.  I am a former police officer in Georgia and an attorney, but don't take my advice for it.  Read the statute for yourself.
 
http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-11/article-2/16-11-41/
 
And in Georgia the law is that you do not have to cooperate with an arresting officer unless he is making a lawful arrest.  I do not know from the video whether that is what he was doing (but it probably was).
 
One day I will have to post my You Tube video where I refuse to talk to an officer who detained me for asking him to stop breaking the law . . . it is pretty entertaining stuff.

[thekfc]

Bad advice all the way around.  I am a former police officer in Georgia and an attorney, but don't take my advice for it.  Read the statute for yourself.
 
http://law.justia.com/codes/georgia/2010/title-16/chapter-11/article-2/16-11-41/
 
And in Georgia the law is that you do not have to cooperate with an arresting officer unless he is making a lawful arrest.  I do not know from the video whether that is what he was doing (but it probably was).
 
One day I will have to post my You Tube video where I refuse to talk to an officer who detained me for asking him to stop breaking the law . . . it is pretty entertaining stuff.

It is always good to have the input of someone who knows/have experience with a said subject.

We would like to see that video of yours someday. 

[ignorante]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHK8yLjd5-c
 
He is doing 71 or 72 in a 45.
 
The mike does not pick it up, but somewhere after 8 minutes have gone by, I ask him if he is continuing to detain me, and, since it was in the middle of one of his diatribes, he gets pissed and yanks the door open . . .

[euforia51]

According to the officer's report:
The women at that table were "shouting" at two guys at another booth (the guys dress in Star Wars uniform). Then he (the cop who was sitting at a nearby booth)  told them to "quiet down" or they would have to leave.
One of the women responded that she isn't going anywhere & she was going to call the real cops. They didn't stop so he decided to arrest them.

And good for the cop, I say. Regardless of Iggy's experience being a cop and an attorney, lawful or not, I still maintain there's something wrong with society when a cop asks/tells you to quiet down in a public place or you'd have to leave ... and something like this happens. Can you imagine being married to this bytch? No thanks!

[Colgando]

She messed up as soon as she put her hand on the officer's shoulder in that manner, IMO, from that distance, the cop did not have many options to respond to her aggressive move towards him.....that's crazy, I would never even dream of placing my hands on a cop, if I did dream it, the Rodney King episode would come to mind.

[michaelb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8

[Colgando]

That is hilarious MichaelB