What makes a Filipina 'mature'? Is 'mature' different than in your country?

[z_k_g]

Oh thank you zulu!

 

 

Zulu

[Woody]

What do you think about drafting an 18 year old young man to carry a M-16, pilot an M1A1 tank or F-18 that can kill thousands but cannot take a swig of his favorite brew or a toke on a cigarette or cigar until he is 21?

Excellent point, let me address that for you:
1. Smoking is 18.
2. You can join at 17 with your parents permission, but they will NOT deploy you until your 18th birthday.
3. Pilots are officers, they are almost all 21 or older(I don't know of a single F-18 pilot under 21, but I wont say that it is impossible)

So, that leaves us the Tankers and Grunts. Grunts will be on a fire-team. They have a NCO in charge of them. They train and drill for combat all the time. It is their job, they are good at it. They are trained to make decisions in the heat of battle, a skill that is normally naturally acquired later in life. The best squad leaders you will ever see have all reached their mid twenties. It is not until the male brain reaches 23-27 that it fully develops and the decision making process becomes natural and fluid. Your typical fireteam leader is between 21 and 24 years old. That is the guy that makes the quick and tough tactical decisions. The 18-20 year old guys, while well trained, rely on the team chief for guidance and direction.

As for tankers. Yes, the drivers, loaders, and gunners are usually the young guys, but the tank commander is usually 21 or older.

The grunts and tankers are some of the most immature and boneheaded individuals you will ever meet. When they are not on the job, they are a pain the the ass!

While I think it is bull[snip] that we have them lay their lives on the line without letting them drink, don't think for a second that soldiers respect the law on that one. (Law enforcement rarely gives a [snip] either. I had cops buy me drinks when they KNEW I was underage.)

Next time, pick a better example.

[z_k_g]

Excellent point, let me address that for you:
1. Smoking is 18.
2. You can join at 17 with your parents permission, but they will NOT deploy you until your 18th birthday.
3. Pilots are officers, they are almost all 21 or older(I don't know of a single F-18 pilot under 21, but I wont say that it is impossible)

So, that leaves us the Tankers and Grunts. Grunts will be on a fire-team. They have a NCO in charge of them. They train and drill for combat all the time. It is their job, they are good at it. They are trained to make decisions in the heat of battle, a skill that is normally naturally acquired later in life. The best squad leaders you will ever see have all reached their mid twenties. It is not until the male brain reaches 23-27 that it fully develops and the decision making process becomes natural and fluid. Your typical fireteam leader is between 21 and 24 years old. That is the guy that makes the quick and tough tactical decisions. The 18-20 year old guys, while well trained, rely on the team chief for guidance and direction.

As for tankers. Yes, the drivers, loaders, and gunners are usually the young guys, but the tank commander is usually 21 or older.

The grunts and tankers are some of the most immature and boneheaded individuals you will ever meet. When they are not on the job, they are a pain the the ass!

Next time, pick a better example.

Woody,

You can die and kill in war at 18 and its happened in every war in our country's history.  

You have to be 21 to drink.

Get that?

That's my point.

Zulu

(I don't smoke, i thought that was the age for smoking also, my mistake!)

[Jhengsman]

Woody,

You can die and kill in war at 18 and its happened in every war in our country's history.  

You have to be 21 to drink.

Get that?

That's my point.

Zulu

(I don't smoke, i thought that was the age for smoking also, my mistake!)

Sure I understand, a couple of years ago a US Marine Commandant got into trouble for floating a trial balloon suggesting that only singles be allowed to enlist while in our history boys have fought in war. We want them mature enough to be considered adult and not so silly that weapon accidents happen at too high a rate while not so mature that should they fall in battle society is left behind with orphans and widows. So armies are filled with the young. In our society we now see under 17 like we see the child soldiers of African warlords but 18 was an arbitrary year picked at some point in history to separate boy from man.

In the Philippines they don't think 24 year olds are that mature thus the 90 days the parents get to change the mind of an engaged person. It also emphasizes it is not just the couple but the families which are joining in a union. The curious thing is that if a women starts to get above 25 as a single then old maid thoughts pop up and if she reaches 30 it seems better socially to be a single mom who was at least the girlfriend of a married man then the "old maid'

[z_k_g]

In the Philippines they don't think 24 year olds are that mature thus the 90 days the parents get to change the mind of an engaged person. It also emphasizes it is not just the couple but the families which are joining in a union. The curious thing is that if a women starts to get above 25 as a single then old maid thoughts pop up and if she reaches 30 it seems better socially to be a single mom who was at least the girlfriend of a married man then the "old maid'

Jh,

Interesting.

Each culture has its different pressure points for girls and boys.

In Latin America, you are not a man if you don't have multiple women, In India you can still be married legally at 5 or 10 years old.  In Africa and Middle East women are circumcised so they won't seek pleasure in sex, in the United states we sexualize our youngsters with TV, movies and kiddie beauty pageants.....

Jh, the following rant is not directed to you or anyone in particular!!!



My soapbox rant for the day.....( sorry Ray ).....the following is NOT politically correct!!

An observation....My great grand parents married young, my great grandfather was late 20 something and my great grandmother 14 or 15.  They stayed married 60 years, had 16 kids, ran a successful farm that still exists today, and have a thriving successful brood that any papa and mama would be proud to call their own.

Ironically.....In 2011 he would be a pervert, in jail for statutory, labeled a pedophile, banished from within 300 yards of schools, day cares, public parks and libraries and hunted down by every dad who's slut 13 year old cheerleader daughter failed to show up for curfew the night before.

Counterpoint...2011....Our "highly moral" country is bankrupt, run by bitchboy politicians who allow femnazis to change and corrupt the laws to deny every man who sires a child his constitutional rights (no one follows the constitution anymore anyway), our divorce rate has deemed marriage a joke, we are owned by the freaking Chinese Reds (Walmart and take a look at every label in your house) our women act like men and treat us like servants, we drive Japanese cars, GM is a Joke, don't get old, you can't afford the rent, drugs or medical care, and oh yeah.....don't worry about medicare, the retirement age is going to 75 and you will be dead before you get a dime back...need I say more.

But...we are debating whether we should apply THESE f*cked up American standards (that have utterly failed) to seeking a foreign bride?  

Huh...did I miss something?

Well...If you do, don't complain about the fear of an Americanized wife, cuz buddy, YOU are the one with the problem!  

You're stupid!  

And....If YOU want to use AMERICAN standards to choose your FOREIGN bride, then so be it, you deserve what you get.  

Well...Actually....She should be avoiding your sorry ass!  

Zulu

[michaelb]

Draft? Hello? The United States hasn't drafted anybody into the military since 1973.

[thekfc]

I asked my wife's sisters & a few of our ninangs (all women with teenage children) what are their thoughts/views about an older man marrying an 18 year old. The vast majority of them had something in common - their response/view was "child abuse". I did not dwell further as I saw that they didn't have a comfortable look on their faces.

[Jhengsman]

I asked my wife's sisters & a few of our ninangs (all women with teenage children) what are their thoughts/views about an older man marrying an 18 year old. The vast majority of them had something in common - their response/view was "child abuse". I did not dwell further as I saw that they didn't have a comfortable look on their faces.

Well along with having to be 25 to avoid official advice absolute consent from the parents is needed until they reach 21. For a nation which ends education at about 16 there are many years of limbo before "legal" families can start. I'm saying they have a different concept of the maturity needed to marry.

[thekfc]

Well along with having to be 25 to avoid official advice absolute consent from the parents is needed until they reach 21. For a nation which ends education at about 16 there are many years of limbo before "legal" families can start. I'm saying they have a different concept of the maturity needed to marry.

To simplify:
Under 18 - marriage is prohibited
18 to 21 - must have parental consent in writing.
21 to 25 - must have written parental advice (a written indication that the parents are aware of the couple's intent to marry).
Over 25 - neither advice nor consent is needed.

High School is normally completed at age 16/17 - then it is off to college (if they want to).

At first I was a bit confuse when my wife's 2 nieces & a nephew told me that they were in their second year of college & they were only 18  - then I started to learn more about their schooling system.

[z_k_g]

Draft? Hello? The United States hasn't drafted anybody into the military since 1973.

Michael,

I don't think the draft was ever mentioned in this post.

But, since you bring that up:   

Draft=Selective Service.

You by law, at 18, must register for Selective Service, or maybe you forgot!  It sounds more PC.  Just the Draft by another name! 

In time of war and need of young stupid cannon fodder, the Draft will be implemented.

Zulu

[z_k_g]

To simplify:
Under 18 - marriage is prohibited
18 to 21 - must have parental consent in writing.
21 to 25 - must have written parental advice (a written indication that the parents are aware of the couple's intent to marry).
Over 25 - neither advice nor consent is needed.

Kfc,

Good Info!

Zulu

[michaelb]

Michael,

I don't think the draft was ever mentioned in this post.

what, you don't remember what you wrote 5 hours ago?



Jh,

I thought it was 25?

Good point, but consider......

I got a better point for you:

What do you think about drafting an 18 year old young man to carry a M-16, pilot an M1A1 tank or F-18 that can kill thousands but cannot take a swig of his favorite brew or a toke on a cigarette or cigar until he is 21?

Zulu

[z_k_g]

what, you don't remember what you wrote 5 hours ago?



Jh,

I thought it was 25?

Good point, but consider......

I got a better point for you:

What do you think about drafting an 18 year old young man to carry a M-16, pilot an M1A1 tank or F-18 that can kill thousands but cannot take a swig of his favorite brew or a toke on a cigarette or cigar until he is 21?

Zulu

Correction noted! 

Zulu