Intelligent and beautiful English speaking girls

[Viking]

I'm a pretty intelligent guy who consider getting an Asian wife in a few years, I'm 25+ years old now. The country I have in mind is primarily the Philippines, since filipinas are beautiful and many of them speak English. Other countries could be OK as well though.

Since I am intelligent myself (top ten percent in terms of IQ) I would like to find a beautiful girl with intelligence and depth with whom it would be possible to have interesting conversations. Is it difficult to find a girl like that from Asia? I get the impression that many girls on the dating sites e.t.c. are pretty simple girls..

[Capstone]

Hi Viking,

First off welcome to the board!

As to your question about can you find a beautiful Asian woman with intelligence & depth who also speaks English - the answer is a resounding yes. You could pick just about any Asian country where this would be the case - rather that be the Philippines, Japan, China, Thailand, etc.

I had no problem finding such a lady myself. My Chinese wife is very intelligent, educated, cultured and well traveled who also speaks perfect English. She can definitely hold her own when it comes to engaging in intelligent conversation as I am sure many of the other guys' spouses on this board can as well.

Good Luck!

[robert angel]

It depends on how you judge 'intelligence'. I think if you're looking at typical IQ measures--ie Stanford Binet or Weschler, which are largely geared to USA--western standards, mindsets in general, you will be disappointed. To me the Filipino mindset is an enigma. Things we focus on and often over analyze are not always of importance to many Filipinos. I think generally we think in more abstract terms and they are much more literal, concrete and practical, common sense thinkers.

I think Jeff S. has a pretty good handle on all that and he's found a 'meeting of the minds' so to speak, in his Japanese wife, who I understand is quite intelligent and culturally sophisticated. Further more, their union has stood the test of time rather well, from what I gather. I've heard of other people, western artists and business executives included, who found more of what they were looking for in say, Japan than they did in the Philippines.

Personally, I pretty much love the Filipino mindset and my wife and I pretty much meet in the middle on most schools of thought and I have taught her quite a few things that are more stressed in western universities, including music, art in general and literature. I don't remotely try and force feed anything on her.

When I was a little kid, I saw a movie, based on a play called 'My Fair Lady', a musical based upon George Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion The story concerns Eliza Doolittle, a Cockney flower girl who takes speech lessons from professor Henry Higgins, a phoneticist, so she can pass as a lady.

Well, my wife was a lady from the word hello and although she hadn't eaten in any five star restaurants, she inexplicably had table manners befitting a White House state dinner when called for, while sometimes, in a traditional country Filipino manner, she can eat rice with her hands like a front end loader. So basically, she can dress up or down, according to the situation. She 'polishes up' far better than me. I don't know how she instinctually seems to know how to act where and when, especially because while not a total heathen, I don't care WHICH fork I use and I'll even pick up a dropped napkin, no matter how barbaric that might seem. I don't even break my bread before buttering it, unless I'm eating with my parents, who might also make sure I washed my hands and that my nails were clean, haha.

Like my wife, they want me to eat at the table and even with a shirt on. I know that sounds silly. I mean--why did God let us invent underwear, bathing suits and TV dinners then?
 
Anyyways, I don't want to be like Higgins. My wife was just fine as she was from the word 'go' from the Philippines, even if not 'well read'. Her focus was on math and science and her computer engineering studies, not 'War and Peace" or existentialism. We've found books and authors she enjoys and I love to scout the second hand book stores to find books she likes and books we can send back to the RP. She really does wish that as a child she read more and she's intent on making up for lost time and making sure family members have access to many more books than she did growing up--and that they read them.

Well, Viking, I'm writing a book here myself and the gist of what I'm saying is maybe what you're looking for is not your usual Filipina--not that I believe any Filipina is truly simple. I can be dry witted and sarcastic, but those are characteristics, which along with being condescending and patronizing, that most Filipinos deplore. Even with Filipinas, you're going to have language translation and pronunciation challenges that can test your patience. If you have trouble with that, well, you're in trouble! Anybody who marries someone thinking 'Well--he/she is fine, except for a few things that we'll fix later' is bound to have troubles down the line...

Good luck man--if you're a Viking--go easy on the island invasions and plundering!

[robert angel]

As Capstone indicates, Japan is most certainly not the only nation that has very sophisticated ladies who speak perfect English. In the Philippines, many of the High School and college students from the Ateneo schools speak English to the point where I thought they were from the USA and they're education is much more westernized than most schools there. They also dress very fashionably outside of the school uniforms and most of the girls smoke cigarettes....I would gather that Malaysia, Korea and Singapore and of course China, have lot to offer, just to name several nations....

[Viking]

Thanks for the replies guys. Seems like it should be possible to find an interesting girl from Asia..

I guess the smart ones with great Engslih must be pretty sought after on these sites though.. Maybe the competition is stiff?

[thekfc]

Like my wife, they want me to eat at the table and even with a shirt on.

RA, don't you know that you suppose to have a shirt on when you have your 'candlelight suppers'.

And why are you putting butter on your bread? It should be "Organic Earth Balance Whipped Buttery Spread".

Have you ever watch the TV show "keeping Up Appearances" where the main character Hyacinth Bucket makes her husband Richard do the gardening in a shirt & tie. You have to watch that show so you can learn proper etiquette from "Mrs. Bouquet (B-u-c-k-e-t), the lady of the house".
 

[AsphaltVoyager]

I'm a pretty intelligent guy who consider getting an Asian wife in a few years, I'm 25+ years old now. The country I have in mind is primarily the Philippines, since filipinas are beautiful and many of them speak English. Other countries could be OK as well though.

Since I am intelligent myself (top ten percent in terms of IQ) I would like to find a beautiful girl with intelligence and depth with whom it would be possible to have interesting conversations. Is it difficult to find a girl like that from Asia? I get the impression that many girls on the dating sites e.t.c. are pretty simple girls..

Sorry. You came to the party a little late. I already got the only one that fits your description, especially if you throw in the added attraction that she can be a real spitfire when she wants to. Better luck next time. 

Actually, you can search on some of the sites by profession and/or educational level. Between those two filters you should be able to narrow the field considerably. There are going to be plenty of them with Masters degrees. I know that's no guarantee of actual intelligence, just as it's not here in this country, but it does at least show proof of other desirable traits, not the least of which is dogged determination to reach a goal. Going to college in the Philippines is an extremely rough row to hoe. Making it through a Masters when you have to support yourself while you do it is even more difficult.

GL, young'un.

[jm21-2]

Absolutely would not be a problem in China. You should brush up on global events and geography though. All the girls I talked with were much more aware of the world as a whole than American girls and expect their boyfriends to be as well. If my GF is talking to someone and they don't know generally where a country is or are unaware of current international events she gets pretty exasperated. It was the same with almost all the Chinese girls I've known.

[AsphaltVoyager]

It depends on how you judge 'intelligence'. I think if you're looking at typical IQ measures--ie Stanford Binet or Weschler, which are largely geared to USA--western standards, mindsets in general, you will be disappointed.

Agreed, for the most part. There are exceptions, however.

Personally, I pretty much love the Filipino mindset and my wife and I pretty much meet in the middle on most schools of thought ...

Same here. Her ideas on how to treat other people as well as what is truly important in life are carbon copies of my own.

I don't remotely try and force feed anything on her.

Man, you sure have got that right. From my observations, Filipina's can be more stubborn than mules when you're trying to force anything. But, try it if you want. It's your funeral.  

My wife was just fine as she was from the word 'go' from the Philippines, even if not 'well read'.

My girl's quite a voracious reader. I'd never heard of Ian Kerner until I met her. ("Passionista", "She Comes First: The Thinking Man's Guide to Pleasuring a Woman", "He Comes Next: The Thinking Woman's Guide to Pleasuring a Man", "Sex Detox : Recharge Desire. Revitalize Intimacy. Rejuvenate Your Love Life" and others.) Self-help and self-psychoanalysis books are her big passion, trying to understand the human condition and how to make it better.

Even with Filipinas, you're going to have language translation and pronunciation challenges that can test your patience.

Except that my girl sometimes has trouble with gender words (his/hers, he/she) and her accent, my lady has quite a good grasp of the English language and is easily understandable. The confusion over the gender words is due to the lack of such a differentiation in their language, which also doesn't exist in many other languages.

Anybody who marries someone thinking 'Well--he/she is fine, except for a few things that we'll fix later' is bound to have troubles down the line...

Amen and AMEN.

[Bob_S]

A quick survey of stats from the World Bank Education Statistics:
% of labor force with tertiary education (that's any education beyond HS including vocational training) as of 2007 (the last year for which records are available):
Hong Kong - 25.6%
Indonesia  - 6.5
Japan       - 39.9
S. Korea   - 35
Malaysia   - 20.3
Philippines - 27.7
Singapore - 23.7
United States - 61.1
China is not listed, but they are cranking out about 6 million tertiary education grads every year.
The numbers seem low compared the the U.S., but don't forget that Secondary education in most countries is sufficient to get a job, whereas Secondary education graduation in the U.S. means you still know squat.  A lot of that 61.1% is job training.  So if you are looking for a college grad, you have about as much of a chance in most Asian countries as in N. America if not better.  Just make it a qualifier in what you are seeking in a mate when you post your profile.  You'll still get plenty of responses.

[AsphaltVoyager]

You'll still get plenty of responses.

You said a mouthful there. There will be dozens of responses in the first half day. Hundreds in a couple of months time, without question. Just shy away from the dating scammer sites and you'll do fine. Any of them that are basically run by Anastasia.com are a MUST AVOID AT ALL COSTS. They have people impersonate members or will write to you from their offices on behalf of a woman who has no idea you even exist. There are other unscrupulous agencies as well. Do a web search and you'll find plenty of them to avoid. Just a word to the wise....

[Jeff S]

Absolutely would not be a problem in China. You should brush up on global events and geography though. All the girls I talked with were much more aware of the world as a whole than American girls and expect their boyfriends to be as well. If my GF is talking to someone and they don't know generally where a country is or are unaware of current international events she gets pretty exasperated. It was the same with almost all the Chinese girls I've known.

Yes - definitely - and don't just brush up using the US Lamestream media either. Better read plenty of foreign news - because the biggest sins are those of of omission, deciding what is and isn't news is a huge filter keeping a lot of America in the dark.

[robert angel]

Heyo, Kfc-- Re:

>>RA, don't you know that you suppose to have a shirt on when you have your 'candlelight suppers'<<

Guess it might keep the hair on my chest from catching fire--not much left on top to worry about...

>>And why are you putting butter on your bread? It should be "Organic Earth Balance Whipped Buttery Spread"<<,

Uh---I'm not the 'whipped' type---not yet anyway--but I think I was born with slightly high cholesterol and slightly elevated blood pressure and if all I ate was raw vegies, It'd be the same--it's my genetics, Italian side. My Irish side has the diabetes...

Thank goodness for Lisinopril and Simvistatin--I think I'll die eating a juicy, rare steak and baked potato slathered in butter and sour cream, followed by some butter pecan ice cream. Or maybe having sex. Either way, I go out smiling...

Re; >>Have you ever watch the TV show<<

Hmm---I'm the silly guy with two 55 inch LED TV's and 400 cable channels, who doesn't watch television!! My sons love me though. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 does look pretty amazing.

Well, I did watch "L.A. Confidential', The Shawshank Redemption" and "The Bridge on the River Kwai" in the last month or so.....