SD Border Fence Completed

[Ray]

Despite the best efforts of the leftist Democrat open-border whackos to stop it, the last part of the border fence in San Diego is FINALLY completed.

I love it! Eat your heart out Filner...

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Authorities Complete 'Smuggler's Gulch' Border Project

SAN DIEGO -- One of the busiest and most dangerous stretches of border fence is being beefed up, 10News reported.

The area, known as Smuggler's Gulch, is located just south of the Tijuana River Valley Park and is a geographically desirable spot for smugglers, according to authorities.

Former congressman Duncan L. Hunter said, "This canyon, Smuggler's Gulch, was a place that echoed with cries of people who were being robbed, raped and murdered by the border gangs. Some of the gangs carried automatic weapons."

It's a large area of land that sits along the border between San Ysidro and Imperial Beach -- 14 miles that have been problematic for U.S. authorities.

Brig. Gen. Kevin Ellsworth of the National Guard said, "The National Guard has been involved in border infrastructure for 15 years. To see this project come to fruition is pretty amazing."

The once open, hilly and dirt terrain has been replaced with paved roads, stadium lighting and a 20-foot metal fence.

10News learned that about 500 feet of the 14-mile stretch is being met with some challenges.

"This area had a historic set of bunkers called Bunker Hill. They were cement bunkers that were put in during World War II to protect against what we thought might be an attack after Pearl Harbor. Because they have historic significance, we haven't sewn up that last small piece of border," said Hunter.

The project entailed moving 1.3 million cubic yards of dirt, all while protecting the environment and San Diego County.

U.S. Rep. Duncan D. Hunter said, "San Diego families will sleep safer and better because of this border fence. It's pretty simple: fences make a safe San Diego."

10news.com
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[piglett]

the question i have is why wasn't this done years ago before 10% of mexico walked accost the border?
I guess it wasn't very important to either political party

[bcc_1_2]

the question i have is why wasn't this done years ago before 10% of mexico walked accost the border?
I guess it wasn't very important to either political party

both parties are fighting for the latino vote... what do you expect? we live in the computer age and the answer seems to be let's follow ancient china's example. God damn mongolians. I'd prefer to monitor the border electronically so when someone approaches the boarder patrol can be reached by radio/phone in the field to intercept them.

[Dave H]

That is great to hear about the border fence! But, any job worth doing, is worth doing right! Fences make good neighbors! IMHO several AC-130's and a flock of Apaches will help make them even better neighbors!

Dave

[Ray]

the question i have is why wasn't this done years ago before 10% of mexico walked accost the border?
I guess it wasn't very important to either political party

The Republicans have been leading the fight for the border fence out here and the Democrats have done everything in their power to squash it. Now they can kiss my arse! 

[Ray]

both parties are fighting for the latino vote... what do you expect?

Correction: The DEMOCRATS have continued to sell out this country by pandering to the illegal aliens and those that support their illegal presence here.

Look what the Democrats have done to California. They turned the state into a bankrupt piece of garbage where illegal aliens are protected by local elected officials who only care about getting re-elected and staying in power.

When the last immigration amnesty bill was signed into law, California became a permanent Democrat state where they control everything. Even Arnold has become a liberal! Now we have the highest taxes, the highest unemployment, and the state issues IOU’s instead of checks because they have ruined the economy here and the state is bankrupt and deep in debt.

Anyone who thinks Obama is going to save the country needs only to look at California because, sadly, the whole country is now going down the same road.

I'd prefer to monitor the border electronically so when someone approaches the boarder patrol can be reached by radio/phone in the field to intercept them.

If you knew ANYTHING at all about the US-Mexican border, you would know that electronic monitoring of the border does not work. They tried that down here in San Diego for decades with disastrous results. It was nothing but a huge joke!

There were electronic sensors buried for many miles along the border, including magnetic metal detectors, sensitive microphones, and sensors to detect footsteps. Border Patrol officers in a control room monitored the sensor board and directed field units to the location of sensor hits. They also had night vision cameras, helicopters, horses, ATV’s, Jeeps, dirt bikes, etc.

The result was hundreds of agents running around the countryside all night chasing thousands of illegals. Alien smugglers would roam the San Diego neighborhoods after dark, stealing every van, pickup truck, and passenger car they could find, then drive to Mexico to load up illegals and drive right through the border where no fence existed.

If caught, the illegals were released back into Mexico so they could try it again the next night, until they were successful. Millions got through every year.

When the fence went up, the illegal traffic was reduced to a trickle overnight.


Question: Why are the liberals and Democrats so afraid of the fence?

Answer: Because it works!

[piglett]

That is great to hear about the border fence! But, any job worth doing, is worth doing right! Fences make good neighbors! IMHO several AC-130's and a flock of Apaches will help make them even better neighbors!

Dave

I would also like to add 100,000 armed troops on each of our borders
the huge question is why weren't these troops deployed on 9/12/2001 ??
don't you think that would have been a good move?

we live in the computer age and the answer seems to be let's follow ancient china's example.both  God damn mongolians. I'd prefer to monitor the border electronically so when someone approaches the boarder patrol can be reached by radio/phone in the field to intercept them.

From what i understand many of the border patrol agents would like this also but you have to admit that a 20' high steel fence sure does slow them down. the 2 systems can complament each other.
I don't see how 1 or the other will be as affective as both together.
more & more of the people crossing the border are very well armed drug runners & murderous thugs.
I don't have with the average mexican guy who is only looking for some work so he can help his family.
I don't think it is rite when he brings his entire extended family & they all go on welfare & other Social programs
This is what is happening in California & it has bankrupted the state.



piglett

[Ray]

It really looks purdy at night when it's lit up... 

[bcc_1_2]

From what i understand many of the border patrol agents would like this also but you have to admit that a 20' high steel fence sure does slow them down. the 2 systems can complament each other.

better hope the mexicans don't talk to the mongolians. you can dredge the river or build a fence but the only way you really know whats happening is to have eyes and ears across the entire boarder. In 1989 (even 1999) that seemed far fetched. In 2009 the technology is there and it works. the issue in 2009 is a lag time issue (which according to the border patrol where it was used in arizona) was the only issue.

The democrats aren't going to allocate funds for physical things like a fence or dredging. But you can drum up support for an electronic fence. once the lag time issue is taken care of it will be a huge tool for them. right now they are flying... but this would be like adding radar.

but that's why i don't like debating folks that read from the republican or democrat party talking points.  the republicans are selling coke and the democrats are selling pepsi. i drink jones soda as both those products taste like crap compared to it.

look i support abolishing affirmative action for socioeconomic status but i absolutely can't stand for big goverment issues like abortion laws or gay marriage bans etc. So there is no party that fits me. And there is no party with all the answers. Neither party cares about what works. It is not about the conclusions but about the methods that get you there. Just ask Rush... he hopes your country fails.

[Ray]

better hope the mexicans don't talk to the mongolians. you can dredge the river or build a fence but the only way you really know whats happening is to have eyes and ears across the entire boarder.

 

If you think that we built the border fence to just leave it unattended, then you’re even more naive than I thought. The physical fence is only part of the equation. There are sensors, cameras, and 24-hour patrols of the fence. Didn’t you see the Border Patrol vehicle in that photo I posted?? Why do think the road is part of the fence project? DUH!

Neither party cares about what works.

The fence was built because of Republican support and the fence works. Did you se any prominent Democrats celebrating the completion of the fence? HELL NO!

but that's why i don't like debating folks that read from the republican or democrat party talking points.

Oh please don’t make me laugh! You have been spouting the leftist Democrat talking points all along! Case in point…

Just ask Rush... he hopes your country fails

He hopes your COMMUNISM fails!


 

[piglett]

The democrats aren't going to allocate funds for physical things like a fence or dredging.

Why?
Why is it that they don't want to know who is comming in to this country?
why is it OK for 20 million Mexicans to walk accost the border?
but i have to wait up to 1 year if i decide to marry my girl Marily so that she may come here, what's the deal??

piglett

[Bob_S]

It really looks purdy at night when it's lit up... 

Question for the future SCOTUS to consider: notice the smaller older fence to the right of the new fence.  Whose territory is that between the old and new fence?  Is that U.S. territory?  If so, if a pregnant Mexicana (Guatemalan, whatever) crosses the old fence and gives birth in a gully between the fences, is the baby considered born on U.S. territory?  Is it considered a U.S. citizen?  Just something to think about given that the fence doesn't actually skirt the edge of the real border but in some places runs well into U.S. territory.  Smugglers' Gulch may be renamed Anchor Baby Valley. 

[texassingledad]

I don't want to burst anyones bubble. But the picture of the C-130 airplane where the smoke looks like angle wings. That plane is not  shooting bombs or missiles. What you see is counter measures for when heat seeking missles are shot at it. The missles are drawn to the heat of the flares and not the plane and can therefore evade being shot down.

[Ray]

ROTFLMAO!

Hi Bob,

Yes, the old fence is a few yards inside US territory.

So if some illegal pregnant lady climbs over/under the old fence or even comes close to it, and squirts out a kid, the kid is technically a US citizen.

HOWEVER, there is a new proposed ballot measure that would prohibit California from issuing a birth certificate to the offspring of illegal aliens. I'll vote for it even though I know the whacko leftist judges will overturn it.

Ray

[piglett]

HOWEVER, there is a new proposed ballot measure that would prohibit California from issuing a birth certificate to the offspring of illegal aliens. I'll vote for it even though I know the whacko leftist judges will overturn it.
Ray

How is it that the peoples republic of California has all of these judges that constantly overturns what the voters of that state want?? Sounds like it mite be time to have a few judges removed from the bench.


piglett

[Dave H]

I don't want to burst anyones bubble. But the picture of the C-130 airplane where the smoke looks like angle wings. That plane is not  shooting bombs or missiles. What you see is counter measures for when heat seeking missles are shot at it. The missles are drawn to the heat of the flares and not the plane and can therefore evade being shot down.

Hi texassingledad,

I know, but I couldn't find any good looking photos of the AC-130 "working."



On second thought this might be a "hotter" shot. 



Dave - a former "floridasingledad"

[Bob_S]

How is it that the peoples republic of California has all of these judges that constantly overturns what the voters of that state want?? Sounds like it mite be time to have a few judges removed from the bench.

Those judges, though, are often federal judges from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Soviet Socialist People's Democratic Republic of Oakland in the wacky radical leftist Bay Area.  Most judges were appointed by Communis... er... Democrat presidents and reside and socialize among the glitterati of the left in the Bay Area.  And they are appointed for life.  You can't get rid of them except by impeachment if they commit some crime (and by another way that I won't mention here because it would get the Secret Service after me).

[piglett]

they are appointed for life.  You can't get rid of them except by impeachment if they commit some crime (and by another way that I won't mention here because it would get the Secret Service after me).

Ah......well i sure don't agree with the way their doing things but i don't think we need to "rub them out"
I guess that sooner or later they will expire of natural causes.

[michaelb]

HOWEVER, there is a new proposed ballot measure that would prohibit California from issuing a birth certificate to the offspring of illegal aliens. I'll vote for it even though I know the whacko leftist judges will overturn it.

Ray

Hell, I'd overturn it too, and I'm not a left wing whacko. What is the state planning to do, just pretend the kid doesn't exist? Deny that he was born?  ---"We don't approve, so it didn't happen" ? That doesn't make sense.  

Now, if you don't want them to be citizens, the correct way is to amend the Constitution, since the Constitution is currently what grants them citizenship, whether the good people of California like it or not.

I personally don't have any problem at all with an amendment saying that the mother has to be here legally, or even going a step further and saying that she has to either be a citizen herself or married* to a citizen.      

* married-subject to the same conditions with which INS/BCIS/USCS/Home Land, La Migra (whatever they call themselves this week, I can't keep up) now verifies the bonafides of marriages for the purpose of visas and/or AOS, no 'marriages of convenience' allowed.

[Bob_S]

Hell, I'd overturn it too, and I'm not a left wing whacko. What is the state planning to do, just pretend the kid doesn't exist? Deny that he was born?  ---"We don't approve, so it didn't happen" ? That doesn't make sense.

There seems to be a trick to it.  You can visit the web site here, and listen to an interview of the proponent by L.A. radio jocks here (scroll down to "Anchor Baby Law" on 7/14 in John & Ken's column).

The trick is requiring the parents to provide personal information before they can request funds for their kids, and that info would be forwarded to Homeland Security which can act on it as they wish.  Illegals don't like to deal with law enforcement too much, naturally, so this would function as a sort of deterrent to prevent them from signing up for goodies their kids would still legally be entitled to.  You are not cutting off the kids which could be unconstitutional (maybe maybe), just scaring the parents away from the welfare office.  Fiscal impact to the state is unknown but could be significant.  While generally I like this proposal, the big concern is the impact to the health of kids (U.S. citizens BTW) who may not be taken to doctors for routine check-ups and vaccinations by parents afraid of the "system" that will be keeping a closer eye on them.  It's part of the Law of Unintended Consequences.  Can you imagine the societal impact of millions of kids in border states not getting their MMR vaccinations?

[Ray]

What is the state planning to do, just pretend the kid doesn't exist? Deny that he was born?  ---"We don't approve, so it didn't happen" ? That doesn't make sense.

Makes sense to me.

Why should we care about the wants of an illegal alien who doesn't care about our laws? Let them go back home and register their kid's birth where they are citizens by parentage.

Perhaps if California charged a special illegal-entry/non-resident fee to register the birth of an anchor baby, say $50K or so, that would keep a few of them out.

If you lived in California where the illegals have taken over the big cities, bled our resources dry like leeches, helping to bankrupt the state and destroy our culture, perhaps you would think differently. WE CALIFORNIANS ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THIS STUPID NONSENSE!!

Let them go to Texas and drop their kids if they want to give them a birth certificate. They can stay the hell out of California!

I see where the Obama administration has implemented a new policy on deportation of illegals. It seems that some teenaged illegals were deported while the rest of their illegal family remained here illegally.

So what did the government do? They "un-deported" them so they could be together with the rest of their illegal family. No visas, just allowed to come back in free and clear with no papers. Now tell me this country isn't being flushed down the toilet by these Obama whackos, just like happened in California... 


Oh, and I see that another Border Patrol agent was murdered by illegals here in San Diego last night. But that's OK, the illegals were just coming here in search of work to support thier poor familes... BULL SHYT!

[piglett]

at some point we mite have to put up another fence along the california border to keep all of these armed thugs out of the rest of the country.
As far as california goes i hate to say it but i think the place is lost for ever

[jm21-2]

Those judges, though, are often federal judges from the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, based in Soviet Socialist People's Democratic Republic of Oakland in the wacky radical leftist Bay Area.  Most judges were appointed by Communis... er... Democrat presidents and reside and socialize among the glitterati of the left in the Bay Area.  And they are appointed for life.  You can't get rid of them except by impeachment if they commit some crime (and by another way that I won't mention here because it would get the Secret Service after me).

Actually the impression I had from meeting a few of the justices was that the big problem with the 9th circuit is that it is very eclectic in terms of political views and thus produces a lot of immoderate results, especially when you have a three justice panel. The CA Supreme Court is not that liberal either. It's just that everyone focuses and critiques the 9th circuit and the CA Supreme court more than others. When was the last time you read a news article about an 11th circuit court of appeals decision or from the Supreme Court of Utah?