HR 45 - Criminalizing Gun Ownership

[piglett]

HR 45 - Criminalizing
Gun Ownership
6-25-9
 
HR 45 Here It Comes America.  
  
Here is the text of the bill...
  
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text
  
Congress is now starting on the firearms confiscation bill. If it passes, gun owners will become criminals if you don't fully comply.
  
It has started.
  
Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House. This is the Blair Holt Firearm  Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
  
Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because the government  is trying to fly it under the radar.
  
To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record  of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.
  
Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:
  
- It is registered  
  
- You are fingerprinted  
  
- You supply a current Driver's License  
  
- You supply your Social Security #  
  
- You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time  of their choosing  
  
- Each update - change or ownership through private or public  sale must be reported and costs $25  
  
- Failure to do so you  automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.  
  
- There is a child provision clause on page 16 section 305  stating a child-access provision. Gun must be locked and inaccessible to any child under 18.  
  
- They would have the right to come and inspect that you are storing your gun safely away from accessibility to children  and fine is punishable for up to 5 yrs. in prison.
  
If you think this is a joke - go to the website and take your pick of many options to read this. It is long and lengthy.  But, more and more people are becoming aware of this. Pass the word along.  Any hunters in your family pass this along.
  
This is just a "termite" approach to complete confiscation of guns and disarming of our society to the point we! have no defense - chip away a little here and there until the goal is accomplished  before anyone realizes it.
  
This is one to act on whether you own a gun or not.
  
If you take my gun, only the criminal will have one to use against me. HR 45 only makes me/us less safe. After working with convicts for 26 years I know this bill, if passed, would make them  happy and in less danger from their victims.
  
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.45
  
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/show
  
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-45
  
Please.. copy and send this out to EVERYONE in the USA ,  whether you support the Right to Bear Arms or are for gun control. We all should have the right to choose.

(by the way i didn't write this it is something that was sent to me by a family member)

piglett

 


 

[utopiacowboy]

This thing is going to have the lifespan of an ice cub here in the Texas heat. The bill has no cosponsors and no chance of being passed. It is a useful device to allow the NRA to raise money and membership. If I were them, I'd get some idiot congressman to sponsor a bill like this every year to get the yahoos fired up.

[Shadow_mas]

I see no reason what is against this bill.

So you have to be mentally fit to own a gun, have to lock it away from children under 18, what is the big deal ?

It would save a lot of lives of children who accidentally play with the gun their parents leave lying around, or taking it to school to shoot at those they hate.

If you wish to be safe from criminals, get a poisonous snake. It will chase off criminals, pesky neighbours and inlaws. 

[texassingledad]

They already have laws on the books about keeping guns away from children. And to pay $25 every time sell, transfer, update whatever the case may be is just utter BS.

Piglett is exactly right. I work in a prison here in Texas and the convicts would love nothing more then to have a bill llike this pass into law. They are already in prision learning how to be better criminals and if a bill like this passed then it would make their job just that much more easier.

UtopiaCowboy is also right. As long as this isn't sneaked thru and if the people of Texas find out about this I have a higher likelyhood of becoming pregnant then this does as passing as a law.

 

[piglett]

I see no reason what is against this bill.

It would save a lot of lives of children who accidentally play with the gun their parents leave lying around

If armed thugs attempt to enter your house while only your wife & children are home do you think that that would be a good time to try to remember where the key to the gun safe is??
You & your wife are the only ones in this world that are responsable for keeping your children safe while they are in your home. if you teach them that guns are ONLY for killing & you never point ANY gun at something that you don't want to kill then you will be OK.
the problem with most of the people in this country is that they teach their children little or nothing!! & then they they wonder why they end up all screwed up.
If you had a dog & you never taught the dog anything from the time it was a puppy what kind of animal do you think you would have??
probably not a very good one.

piglett

[piglett]

So you have to be mentally fit to own a gun

You do now , as far as i know if a person has ever been in the mental Ward for more than 30 days they can't own a firearm

[piglett]

taking it to school to shoot at those they hate.

there are probably a thousand ways to kill someone if that is what you intend to do.
not having a gun will not even slow a person down if that is what their intent is.
a knife, a big club, even a car will kill if used by someone who intends to do others harm.

how will locking up every gun in the world change the way crazy people think??

[piglett]

And to pay $25 every time sell, transfer, update whatever the case may be is just utter BS.

when i buy a gun i hand the owner cash he hands me the gun
(transfer compleate)
what's wrong with that??
everyone i know in new hampshire has guns, yet no one ever gets shot & never heard of any home invasions around here either. 

piglett

[bcc_1_2]

I see no reason what is against this bill.

So you have to be mentally fit to own a gun, have to lock it away from children under 18, what is the big deal ?

It would save a lot of lives of children who accidentally play with the gun their parents leave lying around, or taking it to school to shoot at those they hate.

If you wish to be safe from criminals, get a poisonous snake. It will chase off criminals, pesky neighbours and inlaws.  

It's a USA politics thing. I personally side with you. You'll find plenty of people in the midwest (and I'm sure other parts of the country) that think "Obama is going to take their guns away". If you search the net you'll find plenty of info on that.

Piglett called the bill criminalizing gun ownership. This is 100% true as any law that places restrictions on guns would do that. I really only take issue with one thing Piglett wrote which suggests the "government" is trying to disarm individuals and make homes and families less safe. That bill is designed to keep track of firearms and insure the owners are all there mentally. The "they are trying to take our guns" campaign is great for fundraising, but is not true. Considering the makeup of congress and the white house... if they want a gun control bill... they will pass it. If you don't think so I'd just point to Obama's Energy/Climate bill that got shoved through.

Shadow you are somewhere in Europe so I know politics are quite different over there. Here we are still debating and struggling with social issues such as gay marriage and political scandals. In Europe if a politican isn't having an affair it's like they are no good at multi-tasking. You do it here and they want you to resign. You've heard the conservative propaganda so for fun I'll post a video of the liberal one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLzo9pOXa-s

This video will give you a good laugh on USA politics as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ88l5ql_FQ

[jm21-2]

Definitely a US politics thing. All the gun control bills here are usually "feel good" bills for liberals. The reality is that there are so many unregulated guns and gun sales that any gun control bill is only going to affect those who are very scrupulous about following the law. Usually they are pushed through by those afraid of children accidentally shooting themselves or school shootings, ignoring the fact that in most states it's OK to give a 15 or 16 year old the keys to a 3,000 pound car with a 200hp engine which is incredibly more dangerous than any gun. I mean, even by the most liberal estimates accidental gun deaths fall somewhere between being accidentally poisoned by gases and choking to death. Compare some 800 deaths per year by accidental shootings to some 43,000 accidental deaths per year by cars. They also don't tell you about the insane stalker with a cache of guns that the cops won't take away, despite there being a court order prohibiting him/her from having any weapons, because it's too much of a hassle for the police.

[Shadow_mas]

If armed thugs attempt to enter your house while only your wife & children are home do you think that that would be a good time to try to remember where the key to the gun safe is??
You & your wife are the only ones in this world that are responsable for keeping your children safe while they are in your home. if you teach them that guns are ONLY for killing & you never point ANY gun at something that you don't want to kill then you will be OK.
the problem with most of the people in this country is that they teach their children little or nothing!! & then they they wonder why they end up all screwed up.
If you had a dog & you never taught the dog anything from the time it was a puppy what kind of animal do you think you would have??
probably not a very good one.

piglett

It says you ahve to lock the gun in a safe place, not to bury it in the garden and forget about it. Anyone who when an armed thug enters his house can not unlock something and get his gun is in no mental state to have one in the first place.
Otherwise chances are the thug ends up with your gun.

The few times I handles a gun it shows that I can hit what I want with accuracy. Which is exactly why its better for me not to have one. In my country guns are limited to those who have had education and training on how to use them, and bound by much stricter laws. And what is even more strict are the limitations on using guns. If you use a gun on someone entering your houde, in this country you are the criminal and can expect a long sentence, if you happen not to kill the intruder including damage payments to him.

If I teach my children guns are for killing only, and they get in to a mindset like recent school killings it would still be best the gun was locked and not open for them to grab.

[Dave H]

They also don't tell you about the insane stalker with a cache of guns that the cops won't take away, despite there being a court order prohibiting him/her from having any weapons, because it's too much of a hassle for the police.

Hey jm21-2,

Sounds like you are talking about my former neighbor. The police wouldn't even place him into custody for a psychiatric evaluation (Baker Act) when he pulled a rifle and threatened several people on separate occasions. The paperwork involved was too much hassle. They said that he claimed to be threatened first. I finally went toe to toe (gun to gun) with the crazy and he backed down and decided to avoid me and my kids after that. But, he continued to intimidate other people. Fortunately he died before he made it to the top of the bell tower!

Dave

[texassingledad]

All this BS talk about gun control and taking guns away because people get killed.

Lets outlaw all pencils from schools. That way the kids won't flunk any test because they won't have the pencils to use to take the tests.