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Title: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: no comment on July 24, 2018, 08:34:51 PM
Mi suegra turned 80 and my wife wants to bring her from Peru for a visit to this country.  Problem is that she can't walk well and make it on her own, especially with luggage.  I've seen the old folks being taken through airports and put on planes by airport workers.  Wondering if anyone has brought an elderly person using this service, how to make arrangements for it, is it a free service, etc.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on July 24, 2018, 11:30:00 PM
Mi suegra turned 80 and my wife wants to bring her from Peru for a visit to this country.  Problem is that she can't walk well and make it on her own, especially with luggage.  I've seen the old folks being taken through airports and put on planes by airport workers.  Wondering if anyone has brought an elderly person using this service, how to make arrangements for it, is it a free service, etc.
My mom who is 80 and uses a walker travels to Europe and gets an airport employee to push her in a wheelchair at every airport...
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 25, 2018, 05:01:56 AM
I think its still a common, free courtesy offered by most airports, carriers. Probably still for children too. I remember a bunch of times, my young siblings and I would fly domestically and internationally to meet up with my parents, relatives and even under age 12, they took special measures to make sure we were OK.

Amazing, because if I were a flight attendant tasked with watching my 12 year old nasty ass, I'd send the brat on a one way to Syria or Somalia!

But I'd absolutely call ahead, because you can't assume they'll always have a wheelchair, golfcart with seat belt and the required attendant right when you get off the plane at the gate.

Even more a potential problem if its a connecting flight.

Call ahead for sure. And hope Grannie doesn't get seated to someone, some kid like I was, coz she might have a heart attack from the shock enroute! Or at least have her peanuts swiped....
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: benjio on July 25, 2018, 08:18:39 AM
Mi suegra turned 80 and my wife wants to bring her from Peru for a visit to this country.  Problem is that she can't walk well and make it on her own, especially with luggage.  I've seen the old folks being taken through airports and put on planes by airport workers.  Wondering if anyone has brought an elderly person using this service, how to make arrangements for it, is it a free service, etc.


Not sure where you stand on this but I have two friends this happened to and "Momma" ended up staying for good. One was actually a good situation because even with her having trouble getting around, she helped with his newborn. The other was an absolutely nightmare. Just food for thought.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 25, 2018, 08:35:23 AM

Not sure where you stand on this but I have two friends this happened to and "Momma" ended up staying for good. One was actually a good situation because even with her having trouble getting around, she helped with his newborn. The other was an absolutely nightmare. Just food for thought.

Yea, Remember Jason? As I recall, he built a a beautiful new house for he and his Peruvian bride in the USA. Shortly thereafter, her Mom, then other family quickly came over. They were like adding deadweights to an anchor.

The marriage quickly crashed and.burned, but HE had to move out, THEY all stayed, adding an opposite but equal meaning to the old adage "eating you out of house and home" and thousands of dollars in legal fees and much grief later, he finally was able to regroup.

This story has been brought to light again before and some didn't believe it, but much of it (some was deleted) is in the archives here.

I long ago stopped saying:, "I've seen it all", because whenever I do, life has a strange way of bitch slapping me to make me realize otherwise....
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on July 25, 2018, 12:19:51 PM
Yea, Remember Jason? As I recall, he built a a beautiful new house for he and his Peruvian bride in the USA. Shortly thereafter, her Mom, then other family quickly came over. They were like adding deadweights to an anchor.

The marriage quickly crashed and.burned, but HE had to move out, THEY all stayed, adding an opposite but equal meaning to the old adage "eating you out of house and home" and thousands of dollars in legal fees and much grief later, he finally was able to regroup.

This story has been brought to light again before and some didn't believe it, but much of it (some was deleted) is in the archives here.

I long ago stopped saying:, "I've seen it all", because whenever I do, life has a strange way of bitch slapping me to make me realize otherwise....
Yes I remember things going south after mother in law moved in. I think I remember Jason saying he had to get law enforcement involved to evict them...
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 25, 2018, 03:09:37 PM
Yes I remember things going south after mother in law moved in. I think I remember Jason saying he had to get law enforcement involved to evict them...

And if I remember correctly, it wasn't like he just called the cops, explained the very obvious situation and the cops told she and her whole free loading family "vamoose!"

Guess it doesn't matter if the woman is born right here in the USA or is fresh off the boat--the guy might own the house completely in his own name, but if the woman says there's a problem, even without proof, the guy typically has to move out.

Me too!
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on July 25, 2018, 04:16:21 PM
And if I remember correctly, it wasn't like he just called the cops, explained the very obvious situation and the cops told she and her whole free loading family "vamoose!"

Guess it doesn't matter if the woman is born right here in the USA or is fresh off the boat--the guy might own the house completely in his own name, but if the woman says there's a problem, even without proof, the guy typically has to move out.

Me too!
USA, land of oppressed women...
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: buenopues4 on July 25, 2018, 05:05:47 PM
I have heard many times that a tried and true tactic used by Latina women brought to the US on a marriage visa is to declare physical abuse where upon she is automatically granted status beyond that authorized by he marriage visa allowing her to stay. Though I've heard this many times it has never actually been corroborated by anyone posting here or elsewhere that I know of.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 25, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
I have heard many times that a tried and true tactic used by Latina women brought to the US on a marriage visa is to declare physical abuse where upon she is automatically granted status beyond that authorized by he marriage visa allowing her to stay. Though I've heard this many times it has never actually been corroborated by anyone posting here or elsewhere that I know of.

While I'm sure it's far more the exception than the norm, less than two minutes using a Google search indicated that there's not only more of it than you may be aware of, but that there's also a significant potential for it to be more widely abused with how increasingly lax USCIS is.

From what I've seen and heard, they're not too great on following up on women who not only make claims, but perhaps more importantly, don't report back after making initial abuse abuse claims and just stay here.

I don't know any women who've claimed abuse to stay here, but I do know some who just decided to leave the guy who sponsored them. They usually don't go to great lengths to hide from the govt. and if the guy who sponsored her reports she's here illegally, the 'gist' of what the USCIS is telling these guys is that unless.these women are engaging in serious, large scale crime, that they don't have the time, resources or inclination to go after these women.

Why should they? The guys have already paid most, if not all of the ever increasing fees to bring the woman here. But it can leave the guys pretty sore and in a bad spot if they married these women and then can't find them to secure a legal divorce.

I know one guy who's wife is shacking up with a CEO multimillionaire in California, while he's still married to her and lives on the east coast and is trying to get a divorce, working full time, paying a lawyer for that.

She even figured a way to file income taxes and he got screwed over that way too--- she got the refund somehow, for herself, her errr 'husband' and even for the son she brought here, a kid that she gave birth to when she was still married to some poor dude in Australia.

Meanwhile, she's posting pictures on facebook of the mansion she calls "My home", as well as pictures of her lover's yacht and the Tesla she says he bought her.

No, she never claimed the guy who sponsored her laid a finger on her or was abusive in anyway, but she's nonetheless breaking all the rules in plain day light, meanwhile USCIS is saying: "Hey, we're overloaded with cases already and we have bigger fish to fry than this case"

https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Americans-Say-Immigrants-Duped-Them-Into-Marriage-Then-Claimed-Abuse-to-Stay-in-US-473983993.html

http://voif.org/#
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Wildstubby on July 26, 2018, 07:01:11 PM
I'm sorry but this thread title reminds me of one of Henny Youngman's famous one-liners: "I just came back from a pleasure trip. I took my mother-in-law to the airport!"
A few others: "I remember the worst fight me and my wife had. She said, 'What's on TV?' and I said 'Dust!'
"My wife said 'I want to go where I never have been before.' I said 'Howabout the kitchen?'"
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 26, 2018, 08:40:50 PM
I met the woman I described. We had lunch with them and I saw her at a couple social functions. Afterwards, I tried to explain that she wasn't a good choice.

I told him that she was "built for speed", that he'd have trouble supporting her in the fashion that despite her claims to the contrary, she would come to expect. I knew her taste for expensive designer everything wasn't going to go away and that thus guy didn't have the income to provide for such. She'd had relationships all over the world, in fact for years, she worked on international cruise ships.

He was living with his elderly Mom, who is from Colombia and is a bit ditzy--the two very culturally different women tried to pretend that they did, but they never really got along. Not a good idea to have your Mom living with your new bride, regardless.

She had a teenage son who was part of the package and even though the writing on the proverbial wall seemed pretty clear to me, this guy just didn't want to see it.

The guy later on told several mutual acquaintances: "I wish I had taken Rob's advice". But he was blinded by beauty, infatuated with her and his own unrealistic idealizations.

Be careful what you wish for.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 27, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
I have heard many times that a tried and true tactic used by Latina women brought to the US on a marriage visa is to declare physical abuse where upon she is automatically granted status beyond that authorized by he marriage visa allowing her to stay. Though I've heard this many times it has never actually been corroborated by anyone posting here or elsewhere that I know of.


When you are married to a woman aboard she arrives in the US as a conditional permanent resident and receives a green card valid for two years. At the end of the two years the husband needs to file a form with immigration and their is an interview to determine if the two of you are still married and that the relationship is valid.


If the couple is separated and or the husband refuses to file the proper forms and go to the interview the woman will have an uphill battle to getting her permanent green card.


But unfortunately for some guys....the one way she might get a green card without his help is to claim she was mistreated by the husband.


Entered into a marriage in good faith, but either you or your child were battered or subjected to extreme hardship by your U.S.-citizen or permanent-resident spouse.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 27, 2018, 11:29:28 AM

Not sure where you stand on this but I have two friends this happened to and "Momma" ended up staying for good. One was actually a good situation because even with her having trouble getting around, she helped with his newborn. The other was an absolutely nightmare. Just food for thought.


My situation is a bit different. I live in my mother in laws house with my girlfriend, her younger sister and my baby.


My girlfriends mom is great with our baby and I just like her. When we finally get a place of our own I think I'm going to miss my mother in law not being around as much.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 27, 2018, 09:23:50 PM

My situation is a bit different. I live in my mother in laws house with my girlfriend, her younger sister and my baby.


My girlfriends mom is great with our baby and I just like her. When we finally get a place of our own I think I'm going to miss my mother in law not being around as much.

With good family, meaning ideally 'traditional values'  not so traditional in the USA. the Mother in law will make sure that the wife, GF--her daughter treats you right. My wife didn't need any coaching, but if my back was sweaty and she didn't dry me off right away, if my clothes weren't clean and crisply pressed, if I was hungry, etc, etc, my in law would've straightened that out fast.

When there's a baby in the house, Grandma's experience, her love and the relief sometimes needed, is golden. They often know stuff, have intuition, that no baby care book has.

But even if she's all the above, when the baby becomes a kid and ya'all don't need the support, it can get old, even if she's still able to cook and clean. Moreso in the USA. where privacy is expected more.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 28, 2018, 11:12:08 AM

With good family, meaning ideally 'traditional values'  not so traditional in the USA. the Mother in law will make sure that the wife, GF--her daughter treats you right. My wife didn't need any coaching, but if my back was sweaty and she didn't dry me off right away, if my clothes weren't clean and crisply pressed, if I was hungry, etc, etc, my in law would've straightened that out fast.



That is exactly the way my mother in law is with me.


We see eye to eye on almost everything....but then again....we are the same age. jajaja
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 29, 2018, 01:06:30 AM
While I'm sure it's far more the exception than the norm, less than two minutes using a Google search indicated that there's not only more of it than you may be aware of, but that there's also a significant potential for it to be more widely abused with how increasingly lax USCIS is.

From what I've seen and heard, they're not too great on following up on women who not only make claims, but perhaps more importantly, don't report back after making initial abuse abuse claims and just stay here.

I don't know any women who've claimed abuse to stay here, but I do know some who just decided to leave the guy who sponsored them. They usually don't go to great lengths to hide from the govt. and if the guy who sponsored her reports she's here illegally, the 'gist' of what the USCIS is telling these guys is that unless.these women are engaging in serious, large scale crime, that they don't have the time, resources or inclination to go after these women.

Why should they? The guys have already paid most, if not all of the ever increasing fees to bring the woman here. But it can leave the guys pretty sore and in a bad spot if they married these women and then can't find them to secure a legal divorce.

I know one guy who's wife is shacking up with a CEO multimillionaire in California, while he's still married to her and lives on the east coast and is trying to get a divorce, working full time, paying a lawyer for that.

She even figured a way to file income taxes and he got screwed over that way too--- she got the refund somehow, for herself, her errr 'husband' and even for the son she brought here, a kid that she gave birth to when she was still married to some poor dude in Australia.

Meanwhile, she's posting pictures on facebook of the mansion she calls "My home", as well as pictures of her lover's yacht and the Tesla she says he bought her.

No, she never claimed the guy who sponsored her laid a finger on her or was abusive in anyway, but she's nonetheless breaking all the rules in plain day light, meanwhile USCIS is saying: "Hey, we're overloaded with cases already and we have bigger fish to fry than this case"

https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Americans-Say-Immigrants-Duped-Them-Into-Marriage-Then-Claimed-Abuse-to-Stay-in-US-473983993.html

http://voif.org/#

And some guys still wanna drag some womans a$$ back to the US..
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 29, 2018, 08:50:40 AM
And some guys still wanna drag some womans a$$ back to the US..

Most guys have to work, can't get sufficient work there, so there's not an option. Don't think a lot wouldn't mind the move but just can't do it. The birds want our bread.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 29, 2018, 03:33:16 PM
Also, for those of us who have become attached to the comforts of home most of N. America and W. Europe can offer, life in Third World nation can get really old after a while. Food, medicine, safety, medical care, etc...

But hell, I just read that Patagonia has Starbucks. I'm sure Five Guys and Walmart can't be far behind.

Northern Ontario used to not have many of the same chains the USA does. Now they do, and parts of the USA have Tim Hortons. I even buy Tim Hortons coffee online.

I remember when Key West, Florida didn't have fastfood anything, no chain store operations. Everything was funky, cool and relatively clean. Life was good. Besides, a working class income was enough to enjoy living there . Now you have to be fairly wealthy just to rent a little place there and the place is a mess of international tourists, blocking the view with selfie sticks.

We sold our home there, after over forty years there in Old Town, KW.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Wildstubby on July 29, 2018, 06:16:54 PM
elexpatriado said:
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And some guys still wanna drag some womans a$$ back to the US..
I've heard far more horror stories from guys married to 'godzillas' who were born and raised in the US than I have to those women who have immigrated here! My ex got me for almost $250K and I am nothing but a 'blue collar' worker! So that assumption doesn't hold water elex!
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 29, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
elexpatriado said:I've heard far more horror stories from guys married to 'godzillas' who were born and raised in the US than I have to those women who have immigrated here! My ex got me for almost $250K and I am nothing but a 'blue collar' worker! So that assumption doesn't hold water elex!

Famous last words.. jaja..

You really, really believe because she is a foreign woman there is a better chance you wont get foched over by the North American legal system?

Bringing a latina to the US and you have a good chance of creating a Frankenstien..or more likely , the wolf will come out show herself below the sheeps clothing.ja ja

Even worse than bringing a woman over to the US (or Canada) is bringing a woman and a couple more kids or a mother  in law over.

What a freaking headache.Talk about stress. And if it doesnt work out..$250 k will be peanuts. I know Cuz I almost did something so stupid.

As far as Heath care goes.. I hear guys on other sites claiming the Colombian system is better than the US..which doesnt surprise me..


Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Chris F on July 29, 2018, 07:32:21 PM
As far as Heath care goes.. I hear guys on other sites claiming the Colombian system is better than the US..which doesnt surprise me..




Colombian Health Care System could not save Pete E.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2018, 12:34:09 AM

Colombian Health Care System could not save Pete E.



No doctor in the USA that Pete talked to....would do the surgery.


And Pete talked to quite a few doctors in Cali before he found one willing to do it.


In the end reconnecting his large intestine to his damaged paper thin colon was suicide. And not a good way to go out.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/best-and-worst-states-to-give-birth-usa-today-investigation/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/best-and-worst-states-to-give-birth-usa-today-investigation/)

If you have good health insurance in Colombia...you will have access to hospitals that are on average better than in the USA.

There are some cutting edge treatments for cancer and other conditions that the US is better at....but on average if you have access to the best hospitals in Colombia then you are doing better than the average american when it comes to health care.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2018, 12:46:04 AM

Also, for those of us who have become attached to the comforts of home most of N. America and W. Europe can offer, life in Third World nation can get really old after a while. Food, medicine, safety, medical care, etc...



Looks like someone needs to buy a ticket to Medellin. jajaja


But safety can be an issue if you don't know what you are doing here.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: fathertime on July 30, 2018, 06:35:54 AM



Colombian Health Care System could not save Pete E.
I stayed at his place in between 2 of the surgeries.  It was just a couple months later that the next (And Fatal Surgery) was performed.  I recall him stating something to the effect of "I would rather take the chance on being healthy then continue with a colostomy bag for the rest of my life".  He couldn't do it in the US.  That would be a tough choice for me too if I were in that spot.  Colostomy bag or possible death.  IF I felt the risk was low for death If I were older, retired, and chasing women in Colombia I might also consider the surgery  I don't know.


Fathertime!
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 30, 2018, 07:38:50 AM

No doctor in the USA that Pete talked to....would do the surgery.


And Pete talked to quite a few doctors in Cali before he found one willing to do it.


In the end reconnecting his large intestine to his damaged paper thin colon was suicide. And not a good way to go out.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/best-and-worst-states-to-give-birth-usa-today-investigation/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/best-and-worst-states-to-give-birth-usa-today-investigation/)

If you have good health insurance in Colombia...you will have access to hospitals that are on average better than in the USA.

There are some cutting edge treatments for cancer and other conditions that the US is better at....but on average if you have access to the best hospitals in Colombia then you are doing better than the average american when it comes to health care.


The way in which most nations measure their infant mortality rate and their health, medical care overall, varies widely. Even in the USA, infant mortality is much, much higher amongst poorer people, because they also consider a period of time that's after the child leaves the hospital--home care--really the lack thereof. 

In  nations like Finland and Austria, even the poorest Mother's infants have a fantastically high survival rate--it's about the same regardless of income there.

Some, especially southern US states, have horrific rates, but again, it typically correlates with income and other socio-economic demographics.

Better Healthcare for those with the most money is probably more common than we think in most places.

There's a lot of different charts done up in different ways, and I don't know why the USA's CIA collects data on it, but for 2017, it had the USA's infant mortality rate at 5.8 per 100K and Colombia at 13.6.

Some nations have an infant mortality rate well under half of the USA's. As the world's wealthiest nation, that's a damn shame.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2091.html

But most of us aren't having babies abroad.  What might be a better question for most of the guys here is: Would you rather deal with a heart attack,  cancer,  most common ailments requiring hospitalization and various surgeries here or 'there'?

I'd rather take my chances right here.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: benjio on July 30, 2018, 08:22:59 AM
And some guys still wanna drag some womans a$$ back to the US..


I'd have to agree with you....just another reason not to. The average Colombiana especially are too comfortable with lying if there's something to gain. I found Brazilians Girls to be much more honest and in touch with their conscience. Probably still wouldn't bring one to the states to live permanently though.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Chris F on July 30, 2018, 10:21:01 AM

Looks like someone needs to buy a ticket to Medellin. jajaja


But safety can be an issue if you don't know what you are doing here.


Hey Calipro, 


Are you now retired and living in Medellin full-time?


If so, besides being a great daddy, how are you occuppying your time there?
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2018, 11:23:55 AM

Hey Calipro, 


Are you now retired and living in Medellin full-time?


If so, besides being a great daddy, how are you occuppying your time there?


I haven't retired yet but I can leave any day a want. I'm still on the books as they say.


I'm making it a point to not stay in Colombia for more than 183 days in a years time.
For tax reasons.


But I plan on living in Medellin full time next year.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Chris F on July 30, 2018, 12:18:24 PM

I haven't retired yet but I can leave any day a want. I'm still on the books as they say.


I'm making it a point to not stay in Colombia for more than 183 days in a years time.
For tax reasons.


But I plan on living in Medellin full time next year.


Got it.....wondering again...what do you do to occupy your time there when not busy with daddy duties?
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 31, 2018, 12:47:11 AM

Got it.....wondering again...what do you do to occupy your time there when not busy with daddy duties?


Almost all of my time is spent with my girlfriend and or her family. But things will change when I have a place of my own.


I purchased a new car here with a credit card....didn't even know that was possible until recently.
Opened a brokerage account here that really has no limits on wiring money into Colombia. BanColombia limits me to 7K a month.


Talked to a number of lawyers about the new tax laws affecting foreigners and their worldwide income. The laws are basically unenforceable and according to the lawyers no attempt has been made to enforce the new tax laws yet. But I heard that that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to prove they filed their taxes before renewing their visas. Who knows if it is true though.


Inheritance laws are quite different then the US. Not much point in having a Will really because you can only WILL up to 25% of your assets to someone else other than your children. By Colombian law 75% of your assets must go to your children.


Also for tax purposes everyone is responsible for their own income tax even if they are married.


I don't know if anyone is interested in buying property in Colombia. But Colombians have a common practice of putting much lower sells price on the sells contract than the actual sells price to lower the the capital gains tax for the seller and lower the property tax for the buyer. 


But if you bring the funds from the states and register the money with a form 4..... the government sometimes checks to make sure that the funds registered with the form 4 are actually invested the way they said they were going to be. So if you brought in all of your money and used a form 4 to purchase a property and then listed a price on the sells contract that is less. There could be a potential problem for you later on down the road.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: fathertime on July 31, 2018, 07:09:54 AM



I purchased a new car here with a credit card....didn't even know that was possible until recently.
Opened a brokerage account here that really has no limits on wiring money into Colombia. BanColombia limits me to 7K a month.

So by opening a brokerage account in Colombia you can now wire money to that account from the states and what are the overall charges to wire for example 50K?  100K USD?  Once the money is in the Colombian system is it now pesos, and pretty much free and clear money to do whatever the owner of that money wants in terms of housing, investments? 



 
I don't know if anyone is interested in buying property in Colombia. But Colombians have a common practice of putting much lower sells price on the sells contract than the actual sells price to lower the the capital gains tax for the seller and lower the property tax for the buyer. 
 
Interesting.  So if a property is bought for lets say 100k, the paperwork shows 75k, how does the seller receive payment for the additional 25k that he is actually selling the property for?




Thanks for bringing this subject up and generously giving the info.


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on July 31, 2018, 09:41:33 AM
So by opening a brokerage account in Colombia you can now wire money to that account from the states and what are the overall charges to wire for example 50K?  100K USD?  Once the money is in the Colombian system is it now pesos, and pretty much free and clear money to do whatever the owner of that money wants in terms of housing, investments? 

Interesting.  So if a property is bought for lets say 100k, the paperwork shows 75k, how does the seller receive payment for the additional 25k that he is actually selling the property for?




Thanks for bringing this subject up and generously giving the info.


Fathertime!


I don't have the paper work in front of me but I believe the charges to transfer money is .4 percent for under 50K, .3 percent for over 50k and .2 percent for over one million dollars.


you actually wire the money to a US bank account and they keep it in that account until you tell them to transfer the money to your Colombian account. You pick the day.....as long as they get the order before noon you transfer will get the exchange rate of that day.


Once the money is in your Colombian account you can do what you want with it.




When buying the house there is what is called a compra venta contract which is basically just a sells contract between the buyer and seller stating the REAL sells price, the deposit paid and the date you will pay the balance and transfer title.


When you go to register the sell with the state to transfer the title you will just record a lower sells price than you actually paid but more than what the seller recorded when he purchased the property.


I haven't done it yet but that is my understanding of how it works.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: buenopues4 on July 31, 2018, 03:36:40 PM
I bought a finca in 2004 and the real estate value for tax purposes was vastly under the purchase price. That went along fine for years until a few years ago the municipio jacked up the value and predial (real estate tax) fourfold the excuse being it hadn't been properly adjusted for many years. Not just me it was across the board.


Are you saying below that US pensionados must prove we've filed our US income tax or that we must declarer renta in Colombia in order to renew our resident visas. Also I heard (not confirmed) that you can receive credit for US income tax paid towards your Declaration de Renta debt but will still be taxed some amount in Colombia over and above US tax paid. What do you know about that?


" I heard that that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to prove they filed their taxes before renewing their visas. Who knows if it is true though.

Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 31, 2018, 05:54:24 PM
I bought a finca in 2004 and the real estate value for tax purposes was vastly under the purchase price. That went along fine for years until a few years ago the municipio jacked up the value and predial (real estate tax) fourfold the excuse being it hadn't been properly adjusted for many years. Not just me it was across the board.


Are you saying below that US pensionados must prove we've filed our US income tax or that we must declarer renta in Colombia in order to renew our resident visas. Also I heard (not confirmed) that you can receive credit for US income tax paid towards your Declaration de Renta debt but will still be taxed some amount in Colombia over and above US tax paid. What do you know about that?


" I heard that that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to prove they filed their taxes before renewing their visas. Who knows if it is true though.


This is only a wild rumor started by some other guy on another Colombian Expat Forum.

Absolutly no basis in truth. I just got my 3 year done 2 months ago.

At anyrate, you are not requiered to fill out a "Declaration de Renta " until you have been here more than 183 days in 365 in Colombia or have income in Colombia.

This is totally independiente of the visa process.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: buenopues4 on July 31, 2018, 06:18:36 PM
Well if it were true it would certainly be an effective way of forcing foreigners to expose their income in turn subjecting them to the Declaration de Renta requirement in Colombia. And to clarify for you we are talking about people with resident visas not visitors like yourself so obviously they will be in the country for more than 180 days in the year and obviously subject to Declaration De Renta.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on July 31, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
The USA's fed and state govts are already doing a great job of keeping most of my income. Even though if I wanted to, I could return and work part or full time after sitting out six months, the job I just retired from paid me two and a half months severance pay.

Almost half went to taxes. Unfrickin real, although they used to go well north of 40% on overtime, so I should of known. Then, almost everything I buy with what's left to survive, is taxed at least 7%., so I was paying over 50% almost all along, plus insurances, FICA, etc.

We do keep a house abroad for which we pay (nominally compared to in the USA) taxes on, but having a second nation digging into my pocket sounds less than appealing right now....

Our house overseas was sold to us and appraised in a way favorable to us financially, but that could change.

Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on August 01, 2018, 12:36:54 AM
I bought a finca in 2004 and the real estate value for tax purposes was vastly under the purchase price. That went along fine for years until a few years ago the municipio jacked up the value and predial (real estate tax) fourfold the excuse being it hadn't been properly adjusted for many years. Not just me it was across the board.


Are you saying below that US pensionados must prove we've filed our US income tax or that we must declarer renta in Colombia in order to renew our resident visas. Also I heard (not confirmed) that you can receive credit for US income tax paid towards your Declaration de Renta debt but will still be taxed some amount in Colombia over and above US tax paid. What do you know about that?


" I heard that that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to prove they filed their taxes before renewing their visas. Who knows if it is true though.


Yes I heard that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to show that they filed declarer renta in Colombia before renewing their visas. Pensionados have to prove they enough income to become a pensionado so it seems like an easy place to start. But I have no idea if it is true.


Yes you get credit for the taxes you paid in the U.S. and can deduct whatever you paid to the US from you tax bill in Colombia.... but taxes are higher on average in Colombia and pensions and social security are considered taxable income. So it is very unfavorable. But you would have to pay a colombian tax guy to find out for sure what it would come to.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: buenopues4 on August 01, 2018, 06:08:29 AM
The monthly income limit at which one has to declarar has been reduced this year to $2'750.000 but won't be taxed until it reaches $3'000.000. Regarding pensionados I'm seeing that up to a little under $32'000.000 (a year) won't be taxed but anything over that will.


https://www.gerencie.com/pensiones-exentas-de-renta-en-colombia.html
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 01, 2018, 09:20:10 AM

Yes I heard that Colombia is going to start asking pensionados to show that they filed declarer renta in Colombia before renewing their visas. Pensionados have to prove they enough income to become a pensionado so it seems like an easy place to start. But I have no idea if it is true

I will believe it when I see it.

I have also never heard of a case of an Expat living in Colombia having his Colombian house or Bank account siezed by DIAN for not paying tax on US earned income. 
Maybe everyone is 100% compliant ;D ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on August 01, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
I will believe it when I see it.

I have also never heard of a case of an Expat living in Colombia having his Colombian house or Bank account siezed by DIAN for not paying tax on US earned income. 
Maybe everyone is 100% compliant ;D ;D ;) ::)


Neither has any of the lawyers I talked to.


According to them..... DIAN is just now starting to compile the information.


Gringos have two things going against them. They list a source and an amount of income to get a pensionado visa and they often record the actual sells price of real estate to qualify for an investors visa.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on August 01, 2018, 11:42:49 AM
The monthly income limit at which one has to declarar has been reduced this year to $2'750.000 but won't be taxed until it reaches $3'000.000. Regarding pensionados I'm seeing that up to a little under $32'000.000 (a year) won't be taxed but anything over that will.


https://www.gerencie.com/pensiones-exentas-de-renta-en-colombia.html (https://www.gerencie.com/pensiones-exentas-de-renta-en-colombia.html)


yes that is true.


But the tax rate goes up from 10 percent after that all the way up to 33 percent rather quickly.



Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 01, 2018, 01:23:10 PM

Neither has any of the lawyers I talked to.


According to them..... DIAN is just now starting to compile the information.


Gringos have two things going against them. They list a source and an amount of income to get a pensionado visa and they often record the actual sells price of real estate to qualify for an investors visa.

Not only do they have to get visa información off of Migraciones, they have to go through all the pasaport información from Migracions to Confirm you   have been in the country for 183 days in 365.  If you have a visa, does not necesarily mean you are a resident for tax purposes . I know guys who are citizens but do not qualify as tax residents.

Quite a lot of.work to go through for tens (maybe
hundreds) of thousands of Colombians with assets overseas and  foreign expats, espescially for a disorqanized and lazy organization like DIAN.

Not to mention the market reacion when they start the process.

You will hear the sucking sound of money leaving the country when they embargo property of the first foreigner and everyone hears about it.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Calipro on August 01, 2018, 03:04:36 PM

Not only do they have to get visa información off of Migraciones, they have to go through all the pasaport información from Migracions to Confirm you   have been in the country for 183 days in 365.  If you have a visa, does not necesarily mean you are a resident for tax purposes . I know guys who are citizens but do not qualify as tax residents.


How hard could it be to figure out if you have been in Colombia 183 days out of the last 365?

I mean even if there wasn’t a computerized record ....they will still have your passport in their hand when you try to renew your visa

I sincerely doubt that DIAN will try to catch everybody that doesn’t pay taxes
But wii randomly enforce their tax code just like they randomly enforce all their laws  jajajaj

But it does seem to me that some gringos will be low hanging fruit that they could easily grab
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 01, 2018, 06:56:05 PM
How hard could it be to figure out if you have been in Colombia 183 days out of the last 365?


I mean even if there wasn’t a computerized record ....they will still have your passport in their hand when you try to renew your visa

I sincerely doubt that DIAN will try to catch everybody that doesn’t pay taxes
But wii randomly enforce their tax code just like they randomly enforce all their laws  jajajaj

But it does seem to me that some gringos will be low hanging fruit that they could easily grab


Yeah.. the ones with property or bank accounts that can be embargoed.

By the way..they do have a physical récord of everyone when they come and leaves Colombia..time, date and flight.
I have seen it. There can be a few minor error , but mostly accurate. Suposedly goes back 10 years.

But this is all th property of Migraciones.. not DIAN.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 01, 2018, 06:57:24 PM

Yeah.. the ones with property or bank accounts that can be embargoed.

By the way..they do have a physical récord of everyone when they come to and leave Colombia..time, date and flight.
I have seen it. There can be a few minor error , but mostly accurate. Suposedly goes back 10 years.

But this is all th property of Migraciones.. not DIAN.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on August 01, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
It's a little weird making a post and then right below it, reposting that post in quote form...

But 'weird' isn't unusual here--A while back, after not hearing from Gato in months, I sent him a PM, asking, half in jest: "Hey, are you dead?" (He'd been having some seemingly not life threatening health issues) and I never heard back...

Hope the perienial "One trip, one woman" guy is OK!
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on August 01, 2018, 07:33:23 PM
It's a little weird making a post and then right below it, reposting that post in quote form...

But 'weird' isn't unusual here--A while back, after not hearing from Gato in months, I sent him a PM, asking, half in jest: "Hey, are you dead?" (He'd been having some seemingly not life threatening health issues) and I never heard back...

Hope the perienial "One trip, one woman" guy is OK!
Hope so too
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 02, 2018, 08:30:10 AM
It's a little weird making a post and then right below it, reposting that post in quote form...

But 'weird' isn't unusual here--A while back, after not hearing from Gato in months, I sent him a PM, asking, half in jest: "Hey, are you dead?" (He'd been having some seemingly not life threatening health issues) and I never heard back...

Hope the perienial "One trip, one woman" guy is OK!

What do you expect working on an iPhone on this site.

I have no idea what happened. Sure dont do it on purpose. No big deal
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: vikingo on August 02, 2018, 02:27:08 PM

Neither has any of the lawyers I talked to.


According to them..... DIAN is just now starting to compile the information.


Gringos have two things going against them. They list a source and an amount of income to get a pensionado visa and they often record the actual sells price of real estate to qualify for an investors visa.
Like Calipro says, when renewing a retirement visa Migraciòn may have to report an expat to DIAN if the amount on the retirement or social security income statement exceeds a certain amount, in other words if the retirees income subjects him to declare taxes.
If they aren't doing it now it is sure to come.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: buenopues4 on August 02, 2018, 06:28:43 PM
I don't know what the current retirement income requirement is for obtaining a pensionado vise but it is surely more than $1052 which is in dollars the point at which the declaration de renta requirement kicks in.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 02, 2018, 10:40:55 PM
Like Calipro says, when renewing a retirement visa Migraciòn may have to report an expat to DIAN if the amount on the retirement or social security income statement exceeds a certain amount, in other words if the retirees income subjects him to declare taxes.
If they aren't doing it now it is sure to come.

Dont start and support unsubstantiated rumours Vikingo

"May","Could","theoretically"

I just got  mine renewed 2 months ago and there was no mention.of anything remotely  related to DIAN.

So much paranoia and rumours floating around on these Forums.

People seem.to have nothing better  to do in Colombia but creaste rumors and gossip.


Like I said, I will believe it when I see it. Have yet to hear of a case of an Expat having his  house or Bank account siezed for not paying taxes on US income and assets.

When I see concrete evidence of this, I will start to believe the rumours   and gossip.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: vikingo on August 05, 2018, 01:18:37 PM
Well, I just got my retirement visa renewed too, but I only declared my income sources from one country I lived in which was enough (three monthly minimum wages) to qualify me for a visa but kept me under the tax filing requirement.
I wouldn't put it past DIAN though to require Migration to report pensioners with a certain income in the future, once the government gets  more efficiently computerized between different branches. What easier way is there to get their hands on some badly needed funds? If the expat doesn't have property or accounts in Colombia they can attach, they catch him at the airport or the border when he tries to leave the country.
So he would have to remain in the country forever and live under the radar, meaning no Colombian investments or purchase of any property that requires registration.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 05, 2018, 02:03:14 PM
Well, I just got my retirement visa renewed too, but I only declared my income sources from one country I lived in which was enough (three monthly minimum wages) to qualify me for a visa but kept me under the tax filing requirement.
I wouldn't put it past DIAN though to require Migration to report pensioners with a certain income in the future, once the government gets  more efficiently computerized between different branches. What easier way is there to get their hands on some badly needed funds? If the expat doesn't have property or accounts in Colombia they can attach, they catch him at the airport or the border when he tries to leave the country.
So he would have to remain in the country forever and live under the radar, meaning no Colombian investments or purchase of any property that requires registration.

Yeah catch him and do what?

Live in tve Country forever? Ja ja

Have you talked to a real competent.lawyer and confirmed they can contain you or are you just speculating again?

You have been living here all theise years and you still dont know how things work in Colombia ?

You can waste your time worrying about "what ifs"..ja ja

Whatever
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Wildstubby on August 06, 2018, 04:12:40 AM
Elexpatriado said:
Quote
Have you talked to a real competent.lawyer and confirmed they can contain you or are you just speculating again?
Have you talked to a real competent lawyer, elex? You reside in Colombia and I only visit about twice a year but even I know that if you ask 3 people the same question you are going to get 3 totally different answers!
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 07, 2018, 10:10:35 AM
Elexpatriado said:Have you talked to a real competent lawyer, elex? You reside in Colombia and I only visit about twice a year but even I know that if you ask 3 people the same question you are going to get 3 totally different answers!

No I just talked to a lots of incompetent one s.. on that subject...

I do.know that money does anything in Colombia..and if they did or could hold you Up at the border.. nothing a little."vacuna"" wouldnt fix..when.it comes to minor issues like debts , immigracion problems and tax issues.

Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on August 07, 2018, 04:45:55 PM
No I just talked to a lots of incompetent one s.. on that subject...

I do.know that money does anything in Colombia..and if they did or could hold you Up at the border.. nothing a little."vacuna"" wouldnt fix..when.it comes to minor issues like debts , immigracion problems and tax issues.
Exactly. I paid off a customs official with 40$ in January to avoid paying 350$ due to my wife who is an American citizen not having her Colombian passport...
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: utopiacowboy on August 08, 2018, 10:37:43 AM
Exactly. I paid off a customs official with 40$ in January to avoid paying 350$ due to my wife who is an American citizen not having her Colombian passport...


Most countries require citizens of the country to enter with that country's passport. Canada was a notable exception to this rule but has since changed it's policy. Now only dual US-Canadian citizens can enter Canada without a Canadian passport.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on August 08, 2018, 11:35:03 AM
Double post/requote below.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on August 08, 2018, 08:31:32 PM
I'm in the Detroit area right now, and from my parent's highrise, I can see thirty miles off, the Caesar's Palace Casino and other Windsor, Ontario landmarks.

At one point, I went to boarding school in Windsor and we still occasionally visit. When I was in boarding school, I probably was responsible for half the 'recreational' contraband crossing the border, but every time, they smiled and waved my parents thru, easy as pie.

Back then, you just said you were from the USA and they basically smiled, said "have a nice visit" and you were on your way. In.

We preferred certain Canadian products. Even though the box looked exactly the same outside, the Red Rose brand tea inside is/was different - - the tea inside is much better there and we always bought Red Rose and various strains of tea there. They appreciate tea more than most in the USA, they just really expect better quality over there.

Of course, their mainstream beer brands  are typically also superior in general also and the people a bit nicer mannered overall as well A lot less guns, shootings and robberies, just crossing the river into Canada, compared to Detroit.

But I was never one to just 'fit in' - - we used to break out of our boarding school, hotwire cars and cruise around. I roomed with the equally delinquent Asian son of the owner of what was then one the largest computer/ electronics corporations in the then rapidly emerging tech world.

That kid was a genius in all things legitimate and otherwise. He could hotwire and start a car about as fast as I could start it, if I'd had a key.

We'd buy Molsons or LaBlatts (we had a hidden bucket at the school, filled with apple cider, raisins and bread, covered with a stocking, fermenting for our on campus imbibing) and at night, we'd cruise around Windsor, quaffing brewskies until about sunrise, then ditch the car and break back into the boarding house. Ah, the 'good old days' LOL

But with the exchange rate in the USD's favor right now anyway and me playing 100% legit, I'll probably go over and check the bank for prices on gold and silver coins/bullion see what market prices are now, examine the 5 year and last 12 month trends,  and hope for an uptick from the exchange rate alone

But unlike before, to go into Canada nowadays, a USA Passport is required. It used to be a breeze, but heading over there, now it's not only PP required, but sometimes even twenty questions.

Last time we hit Toronto, then visited Whitey and Nazly (anyone remember them?) in London, Ontario, and coming back, they even pulled us aside at the border and inspected the trunk. Guess I'd be in jail had I not declared that quart of maple syrup.

My, how times have changed....
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on August 12, 2018, 07:08:21 PM
Mi suegra turned 80 and my wife wants to bring her from Peru for a visit to this country.  Problem is that she can't walk well and make it on her own, especially with luggage.  I've seen the old folks being taken through airports and put on planes by airport workers.  Wondering if anyone has brought an elderly person using this service, how to make arrangements for it, is it a free service, etc.

Sooo---No Comment,  Did you decide whether or not to bring your Mother in law over? I sort of dodged that decision. Instead, I sent my wife home to the Philippines last week and besides her enjoying a few weeks there with her whole family, she's taken her sisters and Mother in law to Hong Kong and now Macau, China. No visas needed. Easy--just add money and passports.

A Visa to the USA for her Mom is more of a hassle  to get. I wouldn't, couldn't  tell my wife " No, she can't come visit", but If she did, I'd be worried as hell that given she has some serious health issues/ailments, that if she needed hospitalization in the USA, the bill would bankrupt us.

But wouldn't you know it, her Mom's held up like a trooper in HK, Disneyland,  tours all over HK and Macau--all that glitz and grandeur--it has energized her and she's 'all about it'. But I'm sure, she'll be happy to get back home.

But that's Asia. I think given how despite being highly educated, she's always been sort of a farm wife, a person deeply involved with and comfy with the rural life, that like a lot of elderly Filipinos, after seeing Walmart, the mall etc, she'd want to go back within a week.

Life in the USA, beyond the mandatory Disneyworld pilgrimage, isn't exactly the 'cup of tea' for a lot of older foreigners, contrary to what we might otherwise expect.

It even took 6 or 7 years before my young wife decided that she'd rather stay in the USA.Before that, if it were possible for her and I to move back to her home and have a decent standard of living, she'd have loved it.

But she's come to embrace life in the USA, the work rat race and $$$ hard earned, the lack of community and family cohesiveness, different food and all that...
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: mambocowboy on August 12, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Sooo---No Comment,  Did you decide whether or not to bring your Mother in law over? I sort of dodged that decision. Instead, I sent my wife home to the Philippines last week and besides her enjoying a few weeks there with her whole family, she's taken her sisters and Mother in law to Hong Kong and now Macau, China. No visas needed. Easy--just add money and passports.

A Visa to the USA for her Mom is more of a hassle  to get. I wouldn't, couldn't  tell my wife " No, she can't come visit", but If she did, I'd be worried as hell that given she has some serious health issues/ailments, that if she needed hospitalization in the USA, the bill would bankrupt us.

But wouldn't you know it, her Mom's held up like a trooper in HK, Disneyland,  tours all over HK and Macau--all that glitz and grandeur--it has energized her and she's 'all about it'. But I'm sure, she'll be happy to get back home.

But that's Asia. I think given how despite being highly educated, she's always been sort of a farm wife, a person deeply involved with and comfy with the rural life, that like a lot of elderly Filipinos, after seeing Walmart, the mall etc, she'd want to go back within a week.

Life in the USA, beyond the mandatory Disneyworld pilgrimage, isn't exactly the 'cup of tea' for a lot of older foreigners, contrary to what we might otherwise expect.

It even took 6 or 7 years before my young wife decided that she'd rather stay in the USA.Before that, if it were possible for her and I to move back to her home and have a decent standard of living, she'd have loved it.

But she's come to embrace life in the USA, the work rat race and $$$ hard earned, the lack of community and family cohesiveness, different food and all that...
I've thought about the health issue. My wife wanted to bring her aunt to help with the kids but her visa was denied. Iromically, she is now dealing with cancer. Had she come here I'd probably be bankrupt now....
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: robert angel on August 12, 2018, 10:12:04 PM
I've thought about the health issue. My wife wanted to bring her aunt to help with the kids but her visa was denied. Iromically, she is now dealing with cancer. Had she come here I'd probably be bankrupt now....

MC,  Sorry to hear about your wife's Aunt. Oncology bill's are huge. But hell, even smaller things, like an appendix,  a gall bladder, car accident injuries or God forbid a heart attack/surgery, easily can escalate into the tens of thousands of dollars.

What really sucks is because you and I likely have medical insurance, the bill for say, a  the starting 'average' is seventy thousand dollars for a  heart bypass operation--on up to 200K+, would be cut in half when billed to our insurance and we might pay out of pocket 100s or a few thousand after deductible.

She---without any US insurance, would get the full, non adjusted, maximum bill, and they'd be mailing it to YOUR address. Scary indeed....
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: utopiacowboy on August 13, 2018, 11:05:46 AM
MC,  Sorry to hear about your wife's Aunt. Oncology bill's are huge. But hell, even smaller things, like an appendix,  a gall bladder, car accident injuries or God forbid a heart attack/surgery, easily can escalate into the tens of thousands of dollars.

What really sucks is because you and I likely have medical insurance, the bill for say, a  the starting 'average' is seventy thousand dollars for a  heart bypass operation--on up to 200K+, would be cut in half when billed to our insurance and we might pay out of pocket 100s or a few thousand after deductible.

She---without any US insurance, would get the full, non adjusted, maximum bill, and they'd be mailing it to YOUR address. Scary indeed....


That's the beauty of being a Canadian citizen. The second I cross the border and establish residency again, I am completely covered. One of my daughters is thinking about going to Canada and having her next child there. She is also a Canadian citizen. I may buy a house up there in the next few years just to have a place to go - in rural parts of the Maritimes, you can buy a house for a song even with ocean frontage. Most of those places are losing population and everyone left is dying of old age.
Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 13, 2018, 01:16:47 PM

That's the beauty of being a Canadian citizen. The second I cross the border and establish residency again, I am completely covered. One of my daughters is thinking about going to Canada and having her next child there. She is also a Canadian citizen. I may buy a house up there in the next few years just to have a place to go - in rural parts of the Maritimes, you can buy a house for a song even with ocean frontage. Most of those places are losing population and everyone left is dying of old age.

That until all the ilegal  border crossers bankrupt the system

Already long waiting times in the 4 or 5 biggest cities.

Thank God Doug Ford got in in Ontario and people are starting to see sense (been "Red Pilled").

What we need now is for the drama teacher to get turfed in a couple years.

Marítimes or rural.areas are tve place to be in Canadá for Heath care.

Although with tve new "Triage" system.the drama teacher dreamt up, I see there are even Nigerian illegals with their families being put upin Saskatoon where I grew Up.

Title: Re: Putting mother in law on a plane
Post by: utopiacowboy on August 13, 2018, 04:15:27 PM
That until all the ilegal  border crossers bankrupt the system

Already long waiting times in the 4 or 5 biggest cities.

Thank God Doug Ford got in in Ontario and people are starting to see sense (been "Red Pilled").

What we need now is for the drama teacher to get turfed in a couple years.

Marítimes or rural.areas are tve place to be in Canadá for Heath care.

Although with tve new "Triage" system.the drama teacher dreamt up, I see there are even Nigerian illegals with their families being put upin Saskatoon where I grew Up.


You don't see many immigrants of any kind in rural Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Large areas of both provinces are pretty much shells of what they once were. Most of them peaked about 1960 and have been declining ever since.