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I spent 6 nights in Barranquilla at the end of November. A long haul from the west coast of the USA. Probably should have stayed 10 days to maximize opportunities. I pulled out all the stops to meet women: agency, cupid, tinder and cold approaches in public.
THE CITY/LOGISITCS:
I actually like Barranquilla more than I expected. Yeah, it is not Medellin but few cities are. I like the exotic/Caribbean/tropical flavor the city exudes. For a guy that likes morenas I was in heaven. Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there.
With about 1.1 million inhabitants Barranquilla is the 4th largest city in Colombia. It is an industrial port city about 9 miles (or 13 km) from the Caribbean Sea. The climate is tropical: warm/hot and humid year round. I arrived just at the end of rainy season so the weather was pretty good.
MEETING LADIES:
I actually used two agencies: Maria’s Exclusive Colombian Matchmaker and AFA (A Foreign Affair). I hired Maria for my primary search but also got an individual package through AFA for back up. I did NOT go during one of AFA’s social tours nor did I have any interest in one of those tours.
I had contact info for a decent number of ladies through Cupid and Tinder but the flake factor on these ladies was HUGE!. As you guys know, part of the challenge in scheduling dates is these women are busy (work/school, etc.) and there are only so many hours in the day when they can meet. It makes the logistics a challenge because you set up a date with one lady but if she flakes you just wasted a bunch of time sitting around when another girl might be available. I think double or triple booking is what I might do next time!
THE AGENCIES:
The agencies aren’t quite dead yet. Maria gives top flight personal service. She works 24/7 and is always quick to answer questions. She spent a good chunk of her childhood in Florida which might help explain why her English is flawless. She does a great job of getting the ladies to show up on time and ALL the profiles on her site are legitimate and up to date. The only suggestion for improvement I can make is she needs to expand/grow her database.
AFA is not the scam that some on P.L. have suggested. For sure, some of their profiles are way out of date and there were more ladies that canceled as compared to Maria’s (zero cancelations from Maria’s ladies). The lady who runs the AFA office in Barranquilla was really nice and she worked hard to get me dates. Maria was great in this regard because she actually took me to the AFA office and made sure I got good service. There was a disconnect between the main AFA office in the U.S. and the local office in Barranquilla. The lady in the Barranquilla office knew I was coming but was not given my profile or the list of ladies I had selected. So she had to scramble once I got there. She did a great job on short notice to get me dates.
Unfortunately, tragedy struck on my third day there, not for me but for the lady who runs the local AFA office. Her father was tragically killed in a car accident. I felt terrible for her. She had someone fill in for her and she was still available to me for calls/questions. But I told her to just go be with her family and I could work with her stand in. Can’t say for sure how this may have impacted the number of dates I got via AFA but it probably didn’t help. The cancelations increased significantly after her replacement came on board.
COLD APPROACHES:
I met several different ladies in public places like the mall and Frog Leggs nightclub. Got several numbers this way and had a few dates as well. No flaking on dates from this approach! Meeting the "old fashioned" way seems to cut way back on the flake factor.
I went solo on a Saturday night to Frogg Leggs disco. I've read a million times about the "social circles" in Colombian nightlife. And sure, that can be an obstacle as compared to the "mix and mingle" nightlife culture in North America. But I found opportunities and ladies were open to meeting. I was definitely the only gringo in the place as far as I could tell. I planted myself at the bar next to what I will call the Colombian George Costanza (minus the neurotic personality). Nice guy. An engineer from Cali on business in Barranquilla. Exchanged contact info with the guy. He could be a good contact for future trips.
Got two numbers at the Disco and both ladies were up for dates the next day (which was my last day in town). I only had time for one of them but we had dinner. Nice 26-year old lady from a professional family. She was finishing up her studies to be a lawyer. She had a nice figure, nice personality but I was just not as into her as I thought I would be.
Met a 26 year old lady at the Villa Country mall. She was working one of the retail stores there. She gave me a window into her world. Works 7 days a week, standing on her feet all day. Lives in the south (the "bad" part of town) with her Mother, sister and her 4 year old kid. She has been divorced for about a year. We went on two dates but ultimately a kid is a deal killer for me. Here is a photo of her:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n544/basketcase2/BQ%2001.jpg
She called me on my last full day in Barranquilla to say, "Hey let's go to the beach and let me be your tour guide." I asked how she got out of work. She had called in sick to work. I felt terrible as she had not cleared this idea with me and I had other dates scheduled. I told her we were better off as friends. But she still insisted on getting together. So I squeezed in a date with her later that night after my other dates.
I matched with a 24 year old on Tinder. We had a date lined up. Confirmed the day of the date and the night before but she still flaked! Too bad because she was 100% my type from physical standpoint. This is a shot of her:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n544/basketcase2/BQ%2002.png
CONCLUSIONS:
For me there was no magic or silver bullet. The two best prospects I met were through the agencies (one from Maria's and one through AFA). Would have been nice to have more "top prospects" to increase my odds but these were the only two I really liked for long-term. That said, this is two more prospects than I got through Ricardo in Cali in 2013. He got me plenty of dates but I had ZERO interest in any of them as far as long-term prospects. So this was an improvement over that effort. Better photos (of me) probably helped.
Overall, I found the ladies I met through the agencies to be professional, hard working and good quality women. I am a picky S.O.B. I am staring down the barrel of my 50th B-Day and I am still single, never married. So you get the picture.
That said, the top pick from Maria's was a sweet woman, university degree, 30 years old no kids and the face of an angel (right off the cover of a magazine). She was/is 100 percent interested. But I found myself more like 80-85% into her. Totally shallow of me to say this but she is just a tad thin for liking and that turned me off a bit. I like ladies Petite but I prefer a few more curves. See why I am still single! Haha.
My top pick from AFA was also very attractive. She was a sweet girl who sings in her church choir. She has a gorgeous singing voice. She seemed interested at first but she ultimately changed her mind and there was no second date. Though I definitely let her know I was interested. Playing Monday morning quarterback: She is a regular church attendee and sings in the choir of her Baptist church. I MIGHT have offended her when I asked her about her views on pre-marital sex! I know, I know. What the hell was I thinking? Dumb to bring it up on the first date! But with limited time in BQ I asked anyway. It was kind of loud in the restaurant and could only partially hear her response which was something, "It is better to wait for marriage" or something like that.
Still in contact with both of the top prospects. Told lady No. 1 we are probably better off as friends. She was ok with that and wants to stay in contact. I've exchanged some WhatsApp messages with lady No. 2 since getting back. Was thinking maybe if I maintain a friendship I can break her down and change her mind. Highly unlikely but who knows.
Don't know where or when exactly I will go on my next trip. I am really loving Colombia. This was my 4th time there. The culture, the ladies, the music, the varied geography and cities, etc. I really enjoy it. That said, I never rule out trying a new place if opportunity knocks.
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I spent 6 nights in Barranquilla at the end of November. A long haul from the west coast of the USA. Probably should have stayed 10 days to maximize opportunities. I pulled out all the stops to meet women: agency, cupid, tinder and cold approaches in public.
THE CITY/LOGISITCS:
I actually like Barranquilla more than I expected. Yeah, it is not Medellin but few cities are. I like the exotic/Caribbean/tropical flavor the city exudes. For a guy that likes morenas I was in heaven. Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there.
With about 1.1 million inhabitants Barranquilla is the 4th largest city in Colombia. It is an industrial port city about 9 miles (or 13 km) from the Caribbean Sea. The climate is tropical: warm/hot and humid year round. I arrived just at the end of rainy season so the weather was pretty good.
MEETING LADIES:
I actually used two agencies: Maria’s Exclusive Colombian Matchmaker and AFA (A Foreign Affair). I hired Maria for my primary search but also got an individual package through AFA for back up. I did NOT go during one of AFA’s social tours nor did I have any interest in one of those tours.
I had contact info for a decent number of ladies through Cupid and Tinder but the flake factor on these ladies was HUGE!. As you guys know, part of the challenge in scheduling dates is these women are busy (work/school, etc.) and there are only so many hours in the day when they can meet. It makes the logistics a challenge because you set up a date with one lady but if she flakes you just wasted a bunch of time sitting around when another girl might be available. I think double or triple booking is what I might do next time!
THE AGENCIES:
The agencies aren’t quite dead yet. Maria gives top flight personal service. She works 24/7 and is always quick to answer questions. She spent a good chunk of her childhood in Florida which might help explain why her English is flawless. She does a great job of getting the ladies to show up on time and ALL the profiles on her site are legitimate and up to date. The only suggestion for improvement I can make is she needs to expand/grow her database.
AFA is not the scam that some on P.L. have suggested. For sure, some of their profiles are way out of date and there were more ladies that canceled as compared to Maria’s (zero cancelations from Maria’s ladies). The lady who runs the AFA office in Barranquilla was really nice and she worked hard to get me dates. Maria was great in this regard because she actually took me to the AFA office and made sure I got good service. There was a disconnect between the main AFA office in the U.S. and the local office in Barranquilla. The lady in the Barranquilla office knew I was coming but was not given my profile or the list of ladies I had selected. So she had to scramble once I got there. She did a great job on short notice to get me dates.
Unfortunately, tragedy struck on my third day there, not for me but for the lady who runs the local AFA office. Her father was tragically killed in a car accident. I felt terrible for her. She had someone fill in for her and she was still available to me for calls/questions. But I told her to just go be with her family and I could work with her stand in. Can’t say for sure how this may have impacted the number of dates I got via AFA but it probably didn’t help. The cancelations increased significantly after her replacement came on board.
COLD APPROACHES:
I met several different ladies in public places like the mall and Frog Leggs nightclub. Got several numbers this way and had a few dates as well. No flaking on dates from this approach! Meeting the "old fashioned" way seems to cut way back on the flake factor.
I went solo on a Saturday night to Frogg Leggs disco. I've read a million times about the "social circles" in Colombian nightlife. And sure, that can be an obstacle as compared to the "mix and mingle" nightlife culture in North America. But I found opportunities and ladies were open to meeting. I was definitely the only gringo in the place as far as I could tell. I planted myself at the bar next to what I will call the Colombian George Costanza (minus the neurotic personality). Nice guy. An engineer from Cali on business in Barranquilla. Exchanged contact info with the guy. He could be a good contact for future trips.
Got two numbers at the Disco and both ladies were up for dates the next day (which was my last day in town). I only had time for one of them but we had dinner. Nice 26-year old lady from a professional family. She was finishing up her studies to be a lawyer. She had a nice figure, nice personality but I was just not as into her as I thought I would be.
Met a 26 year old lady at the Villa Country mall. She was working one of the retail stores there. She gave me a window into her world. Works 7 days a week, standing on her feet all day. Lives in the south (the "bad" part of town) with her Mother, sister and her 4 year old kid. She has been divorced for about a year. We went on two dates but ultimately a kid is a deal killer for me. Here is a photo of her:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n544/basketcase2/BQ%2001.jpg
She called me on my last full day in Barranquilla to say, "Hey let's go to the beach and let me be your tour guide." I asked how she got out of work. She had called in sick to work. I felt terrible as she had not cleared this idea with me and I had other dates scheduled. I told her we were better off as friends. But she still insisted on getting together. So I squeezed in a date with her later that night after my other dates.
I matched with a 24 year old on Tinder. We had a date lined up. Confirmed the day of the date and the night before but she still flaked! Too bad because she was 100% my type from physical standpoint. This is a shot of her:
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n544/basketcase2/BQ%2002.png
CONCLUSIONS:
For me there was no magic or silver bullet. The two best prospects I met were through the agencies (one from Maria's and one through AFA). Would have been nice to have more "top prospects" to increase my odds but these were the only two I really liked for long-term. That said, this is two more prospects than I got through Ricardo in Cali in 2013. He got me plenty of dates but I had ZERO interest in any of them as far as long-term prospects. So this was an improvement over that effort. Better photos (of me) probably helped.
Overall, I found the ladies I met through the agencies to be professional, hard working and good quality women. I am a picky S.O.B. I am staring down the barrel of my 50th B-Day and I am still single, never married. So you get the picture.
That said, the top pick from Maria's was a sweet woman, university degree, 30 years old no kids and the face of an angel (right off the cover of a magazine). She was/is 100 percent interested. But I found myself more like 80-85% into her. Totally shallow of me to say this but she is just a tad thin for liking and that turned me off a bit. I like ladies Petite but I prefer a few more curves. See why I am still single! Haha.
My top pick from AFA was also very attractive. She was a sweet girl who sings in her church choir. She has a gorgeous singing voice. She seemed interested at first but she ultimately changed her mind and there was no second date. Though I definitely let her know I was interested. Playing Monday morning quarterback: She is a regular church attendee and sings in the choir of her Baptist church. I MIGHT have offended her when I asked her about her views on pre-marital sex! I know, I know. What the hell was I thinking? Dumb to bring it up on the first date! But with limited time in BQ I asked anyway. It was kind of loud in the restaurant and could only partially hear her response which was something, "It is better to wait for marriage" or something like that.
Still in contact with both of the top prospects. Told lady No. 1 we are probably better off as friends. She was ok with that and wants to stay in contact. I've exchanged some WhatsApp messages with lady No. 2 since getting back. Was thinking maybe if I maintain a friendship I can break her down and change her mind. Highly unlikely but who knows.
Don't know where or when exactly I will go on my next trip. I am really loving Colombia. This was my 4th time there. The culture, the ladies, the music, the varied geography and cities, etc. I really enjoy it. That said, I never rule out trying a new place if opportunity knocks.
Great report as usual Hector. I think the lack of time you had is a huge limiting factor. Nevertheless you made the most of it. The 30 year old with the angelic face sounds intriguing. You definitely are meeting "mujeres serias" which means you're on the right track. My two cents is not to look for perfection.Relationships take time to build... There are tons of women there who'd make great partners....
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Great Report Hector. Thanks for sharing.
It brings back memories of my trips to BAQ. It really was one of my favorite cities in Colombia and as you said had that Tropical vibe going on. I know what you mean about the "petite with curves" as those were mostly the ladies I met and dated in my 7 trips there back in 2003-2006.
Look forward to next time there to see now that you have the lay of the land, your sauces rate will most certainly go up.
KB
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Very interesting and informative report. For me the most significant part of it was this sentence: "Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there." The people on the coast are a lot flakier in general than the paisas but for your type, you need to stick to the coast.
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Very interesting and informative report. For me the most significant part of it was this sentence: "Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there." The people on the coast are a lot flakier in general than the paisas but for your type, you need to stick to the coast.
UC... your sentence doesn't show on my screen. I don't know about the others. It did that "super-tiny font" thing :-(
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MEETING LADIES:
I actually used two agencies: Maria’s Exclusive Colombian Matchmaker and AFA (A Foreign Affair). I hired Maria for my primary search but also got an individual package through AFA for back up...
Maria was great in this regard because she actually took me to the AFA office and made sure I got good service.
Awesome trip report, Hector! Love the organization and how you law everything out. It's like we're right there with you! Lol
That's incredible how you said that agency owner Maria actually personally took you to "another" agency to make sure you got good service! What other agency owner on earth would do that?
That's pretty much unheard of for a business owner to go the extra mile of accompanying you to a competitor, to actually help you with no ill intent.
That clearly shows that she has a sincere interest in helping you find the partner you're looking for, even if it's not at her agency. All I can say is, "Wow".
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That's incredible how you said that agency owner Maria actually personally took you to "another" agency to make sure you got good service! What other agency owner on earth would do that?
That's pretty much unheard of for a business owner to go the extra mile of accompanying you to a competitor, to actually help you with no ill intent.
That clearly shows that she has a sincere interest in helping you find the partner you're looking for, even if it's not at her agency. All I can say is, "Wow".
J.V.: Thanks. Yes, I agree. She went the extra mile by doing that. Good business owners shouldn't fear competition but should actually embrace it.
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Don't know where or when exactly I will go on my next trip. I am really loving Colombia. This was my 4th time there. The culture, the ladies, the music, the varied geography and cities, etc. I really enjoy it. That said, I never rule out trying a new place if opportunity knocks.
Go to Caracas. From what I'm seeing on facebook, Caracas is full of curvy morenas since it's right next to the Caribbean coast. Perfect spring like weather year round. Population 5 million. What's not to love? ;D
And the best part about it, I'll be there. ;D ;D
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Go to Caracas. From what I'm seeing on facebook, Caracas is full of curvy morenas since it's right next to the Caribbean coast. Perfect spring like weather year round. Population 5 million. What's not to love? ;D
And the best part about it, I'll be there. ;D ;D
Yeah, I'd love to go to Venezuela. But the place is on the verge of being a failed state. Caracas has one of the highest murder rates in the world. Be very, very careful.
If you are serious, why not try another part of Venezuela? I still think you are crazy to try it. Though I look forward to the trip report.
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Go to Caracas. From what I'm seeing on facebook, Caracas is full of curvy morenas since it's right next to the Caribbean coast. Perfect spring like weather year round. Population 5 million. What's not to love? ;D
And the best part about it, I'll be there. ;D ;D
Too dangerous, and even one of my Barranquilla Facebook friend who has a brother living and owning business there. She went to work for him too. Told me it is best to meet her in BAQ if it comes to me.
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By the way, Hector, great report! No trojan wooden horse trick for you out there!
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Too dangerous, and even one of my Barranquilla Facebook friend who has a brother living and owning business there. She went to work for him too. Told me it is best to meet her in BAQ if it comes to me.
Awesome must be the only person in the world wanting to get INTO Venezuela at the moment ;D . From what I hear a LOT of Venezuelans are desperately trying to leave the country and many are already living in other South-American countries (Peru is full of Venezuelan refugees (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP4ejCG9l7A) for example).
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UC... your sentence doesn't show on my screen. I don't know about the others. It did that "super-tiny font" thing :-(
It always does this. Frigging irritating. The sentence in question from his report is below. I found this very interesting. As well as true.
Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there.
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Excellent update, thanks for posting! I thought your comments on AFA were interesting. I keep hearing mixed things about them--some good, some bad. Very rarely anything in between. I must say the one young woman you met was gorgeous (loved her eyes and smile in the picture): http://s1139.photobucket.com/user/basketcase2/media/BQ%2001.jpg.html
Looking forward to more of your updates. Good luck in the search!
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^^U.N. Thanks. And good to see you post for the first time in 5 years!
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Though I will say that even though I was in Medellin for a shorter period, I think I saw more stunning ladies there.
Haha. Yeah, I thought you might like that comment. Just calling it the way I saw it.
I met a guy from Cali at a disco in Barranquilla. He told he prefers the ladies in Barranquilla over the women in Cali because the girls are more "natural" in Barranquilla.
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THE AGENCIES:
The agencies aren’t quite dead yet. Maria gives top flight personal service. She works 24/7 and is always quick to answer questions. She spent a good chunk of her childhood in Florida which might help explain why her English is flawless. She does a great job of getting the ladies to show up on time and ALL the profiles on her site are legitimate and up to date. The only suggestion for improvement I can make is she needs to expand/grow her database.
AFA is not the scam that some on P.L. have suggested. For sure, some of their profiles are way out of date and there were more ladies that canceled as compared to Maria’s (zero cancellations from Maria’s ladies). The lady who runs the AFA office in Barranquilla was really nice and she worked hard to get me dates. Maria was great in this regard because she actually took me to the AFA office and made sure I got good service. There was a disconnect between the main AFA office in the U.S. and the local office in Barranquilla. The lady in the Barranquilla office knew I was coming but was not given my profile or the list of ladies I had selected. So she had to scramble once I got there. She did a great job on short notice to get me dates.
Thank you for the great review, Hector, I really appreciate it.
As you can see, I'm passionate about what I do as a Matchmaker, and I really take it seriously.
Although not all met your personal criteria, you left quite the fan club among the pretty women who use our service. I'm here whenever you need me and as you know our database is growing daily. ;)
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Wow..excelente report..thanks for the effort
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Thank you for the great review, Hector, I really appreciate it.
As you can see, I'm passionate about what I do as a Matchmaker, and I really take it seriously.
Although not all met your personal criteria, you left quite the fan club among the pretty women who use our service. I'm here whenever you need me and as you know our database is growing daily. ;)
Of course, Maria. It was a great to meet you and do business with you. Hope our paths cross again in the future be it for business or pleasure.
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Of course, Maria. It was a great to meet you and do business with you. Hope our paths cross again in the future be it for business or pleasure.
You know where to find us. :D
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As you can see, I'm passionate about what I do as a Matchmaker, and I really take it seriously.
I think this type of attitude is what's absolutely necessary in the match making business, especially considering how much is at stake.
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I think this type of attitude is what's absolutely necessary in the match making business, especially considering how much is at stake.
Agreed!
Hay que cuidar mucho de corazoncito de las personas. :-*
Thank you.
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I do think as most on here will agree, the agency scene is all but dead. Mainly due to social media and the internet.
When i first went to Colombia about 8 years ago, many had no access to the internet in colombia unless they visited internet cafes. Now most if not all woman have mobile phones with internet.
The agencies that do still exist charged what i believe to be decent rates and good value.
They continue to charge the same rates even though we are no longer getting the same value for money. The quantity and quality of woman are few and far between in the agencies now and where guys had major success using the agencies 5 years or more ago, guys are not getting the same success now.
I believe, and it is only my opinion, the agencies should reflect this with their rates now. They too know the agency scene is extremly difficult now.
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I do think as most on here will agree, the agency scene is all but dead. Mainly due to social media and the internet.
When i first went to Colombia about 8 years ago, many had no access to the internet in colombia unless they visited internet cafes. Now most if not all woman have mobile phones with internet.
The agencies that do still exist charged what i believe to be decent rates and good value.
They continue to charge the same rates even though we are no longer getting the same value for money. The quantity and quality of woman are few and far between in the agencies now and where guys had major success using the agencies 5 years or more ago, guys are not getting the same success now.
I believe, and it is only my opinion, the agencies should reflect this with their rates now. They too know the agency scene is extremly difficult now.
Also supply and demand. In the old days a 60 year old saggy balled gringo could get a 20 year old "Model" with little more than a ham sandwich.
Now, with Colombia being a relatively safe place, and all the Gringos coming here, even a 35 or 40 year old playboy with "hollywood good looks" a penthouse and Yacht in Florida will find he has competition for the hottesdt girls.
Okay..slight exageration..
But too many guys still sending money (even before meeting the girls, if you can imagine that) and paying for thier University, buying them houses (or shacking upwith them without a Prenup and owning too much property in Colombia), taking them on trips to Cancun , San Andreas, Aruba (LOL), paying for thier university, and even operations..
Or suporting them and their 3 daughters, sponsoring the whole family to the US..
The relative market value of the Colombiana has increaseed substantially. Oh for the days when you could conquest your future bride by taking her out to Crepes and Waffles a few times..
Too many gringos coming to Colombia, or just sending money from Western Union in Moose Balls Idaho, Corn Hole Iowa or Chicken Lips Alabama.
And not just the US. Canada, Europe even the middle East and Many other Latin Countries-Mexico, Argentina, Chile..as well..
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I do think as most on here will agree, the agency scene is all but dead. Mainly due to social media and the internet.
Based on the original poster's trip report:
1) Looks like at least one agency, Maria's, is thriving and going above the call of duty in Barranquilla.
2) The internet and/or social media produced no-shows/flakes for Hector, whereas Maria's agency girls not only had good attendance, but she also got them to show up on time (that's miraculous in and of itself for Latina's right? Lol).
3) He even said AFA did a decent job for him, under Maria's watchful eye (even though she owns her own, separate agency). So that's at least 2 agencies, that don't seem to be dead.
Also:
4) Based on what I can see from most of the regular posters here, they seem to be either married, in relationships, and/or fluent in Spanish and don't feel a need for agencies... so of course the agency scene would "seem all but dead" to them, the same way the need for a Spanish tutor would be "dead" to someone who is fluent.
Just a casual observation. I could be missing something here, and be way off base. It wouldn't be the first time ;-)
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Maria's is a great person anddoes work hard for you but as the poster said, she just does not have the database.
As soneone commented, too many rich gringos sending money, buying them dtuff all the time. I was talking to one girl who told me some rich gringo even bought her and her mother an apartment and he was some old fat very rich gringo who was simpky trying to buy her.
This word as spread all over Colombia and this is what many girls know they can get. They look for the BEST option, regardless of his looks.
Thry are more and more becoming westernized and more and more becoming like the woman from the Usa and Europe and becoming grabbing materialistic bitches like many are here.
Its sad to say it but its happening.......
Us guys still looking have missed the boat and as said above, we can only compete for the single mothers or woman who are average looking there. Its a sad fact but true.
The woman in Colombia are not to blame, its us Gringos at fault.
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Maria's is a great person anddoes work hard for you but as the poster said, she just does not have the database.
As soneone commented, too many rich gringos sending money, buying them dtuff all the time. I was talking to one girl who told me some rich gringo even bought her and her mother an apartment and he was some old fat very rich gringo who was simpky trying to buy her.
This word as spread all over Colombia and this is what many girls know they can get. They look for the BEST option, regardless of his looks.
Thry are more and more becoming westernized and more and more becoming like the woman from the Usa and Europe and becoming grabbing materialistic bitches like many are here.
Its sad to say it but its happening.......
Us guys still looking have missed the boat and as said above, we can only compete for the single mothers or woman who are average looking there. Its a sad fact but true.
The woman in Colombia are not to blame, its us Gringos at fault.
CDR
While I agree that Colombia has more than their share of Golddiggers( We know a few in our city that are blatant about finding a rich guy , taking his money and divorcing him.), You can find good women their , BUT, you need to rethink your approach.
1) Learn Spanish-No Spanish-No Solid Relationship
2) Go to smaller cities and small towns. Not polluted by the $$$ like the big 5 cities
3) Look to their inner beauty and not so much a Dime
4) Last but not least. don't be so nice to them. You are the Alpha( if you are not an Alpha, you are going to get suckered)
5) If not able to do the above, you are correct that the bus has left you at the station so just take your wallet out and be a CP or other player paying for it one way or another. Hey, you would be getting laid at least instead of sitting in your London flat watching the Ferris Wheel go Round and Round. :-\
KB
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CDR
While I agree that Colombia has more than their share of Golddiggers( We know a few in our city that are blatant about finding a rich guy , taking his money and divorcing him.), You can find good women their , BUT, you need to rethink your approach.
1) Learn Spanish-No Spanish-No Solid Relationship
2) Go to smaller cities and small towns. Not polluted by the $$$ like the big 5 cities
3) Look to their inner beauty and not so much a Dime
4) Last but not least. don't be so nice to them. You are the Alpha( if you are not an Alpha, you are going to get suckered)
5) If not able to do the above, you are correct that the bus has left you at the station so just take your wallet out and be a CP or other player paying for it one way or another. Hey, you would be getting laid at least instead of sitting in your London flat watching the Ferris Wheel go Round and Round. :-\
KB
I agree with most of what you say, but you also have to remember that you havent been playing around in Colombia for a while.
The really hot sexy ones have guys falling all over them on all the time, and if Theya are on the internet, have no proble finding rich guys (and not necesarily old and fat) willing to support them in everyway, who are tired of shagging sheep in Montana (or in the Pampas of Patagonia).
For them, being a "wallet" is almost a prerequisite, because they have been brainwashed into thinkng its the "norm". They are even older unattractive women with kids who are in this mindset.
But yes, you can get a relatively attractive "girl next door" type who has not been corrupted in this way, its 100% true.
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Maria's is a great person and does work hard for you but as the poster said, she just does not have the database.
Hi CDR,
As the original poster said, he is very picky. I had 60-70+ PRETTY, RELATIONSHIP women highly interested in meeting him that did not fit his criteria, he chose criteria over quantity. Each client is different, and everyone has their own personal criteria, we respect that. One man's beauty queen is another man's "maybe".
My database focuses on quality, and I'm in continuous communication with the girls, building rapport on a regular basis. That is why my level of service is so high, and how I can reduce the number of flakes and no-shows. If you just want to surf a large database of flakes then, as others have said, you can just use all of the other kind apps and online services for that. If you want True Matchmaking, then that's what I'm here for.
:D
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CDR
While I agree that Colombia has more than their share of Golddiggers( We know a few in our city that are blatant about finding a rich guy , taking his money and divorcing him.), You can find good women their , BUT, you need to rethink your approach.
1) Learn Spanish-No Spanish-No Solid Relationship
2) Go to smaller cities and small towns. Not polluted by the $$$ like the big 5 cities
3) Look to their inner beauty and not so much a Dime
4) Last but not least. don't be so nice to them. You are the Alpha( if you are not an Alpha, you are going to get suckered)
5) If not able to do the above, you are correct that the bus has left you at the station so just take your wallet out and be a CP or other player paying for it one way or another. Hey, you would be getting laid at least instead of sitting in your London flat watching the Ferris Wheel go Round and Round. :-\
KB
I agree KB with your comments.
My Spanish is Excellent so no issues there.
With regards to staying away from the 5 big cities. Medellin as we know is the gold digger capital of the world, not just Colombia. I would then say followed by Cali, Bogota and then Barranquilla. This is from my experience only.
I agree with being the Alpha male. A guy must wear the pants otherwise its a disaster waiting to happen.
We all know, no agencies exist outside of these 5 cities. The only other way is use of social media or cupid and I need not bothering saying anymore about cupid.
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I agree KB with your comments.
My Spanish is Excellent so no issues there.
With regards to staying away from the 5 big cities. Medellin as we know is the gold digger capital of the world, not just Colombia. I would then say followed by Cali, Bogota and then Barranquilla. This is from my experience only.
I agree with being the Alpha male. A guy must wear the pants otherwise its a disaster waiting to happen.
We all know, no agencies exist outside of these 5 cities. The only other way is use of social media or cupid and I need not bothering saying anymore about cupid.
CDR
If I had to choose a city in Colombia to go to based on the women I dated in the past, I would take 2 weeks, rent an apartment in Bucaramanga and just meet as many ladies as possible, network and more networking. No offense to Maria, but forget about an agency if you can take at least 2 weeks to travel. Go to Coffee Houses, Universities, Churches, Festivals, ect.
If I were still in the game and had my mind absolutely set on Colombia, that is the city and the game plan I would go with.
KB
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CDR
If I had to choose a city in Colombia to go to based on the women I dated in the past, I would take 2 weeks, rent an apartment in Bucaramanga and just meet as many ladies as possible, network and more networking. No offense to Maria, but forget about an agency if you can take at least 2 weeks to travel. Go to Coffee Houses, Universities, Churches, Festivals, ect.
If I were still in the game and had my mind absolutely set on Colombia, that is the city and the game plan I would go with.
KB
KB
Bucaramga is a small city with a population of only 502,000
I think 2 weeks in such a small city and you would become bored very quickly
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KB
Bucaramga is a small city with a population of only 502,000
I think 2 weeks in such a small city and you would become bored very quickly
Bored? Why would you become bored if all you're doing is dating women? What are you like some party animal who needs to be entertained 24/7? I mean cdr, your profile pic and and posting style screams SUPER MEGA PAINFULLY BOORRRING.
What do you do in larger cities that's so fun and exciting that you won't be able to do in Bucaramanga?
I think what's going on here is some men are absolutely clueless when it comes to dealing with women and romance, and no amount of assistance, or looking in poor countries is going to help them. The more they try, try, try, and try some more, the more they're just walking into a brick wall and they just fail, fail, and fail some more. Then they become frustrated and blame it on everything but their own inadequacies. Expat is the poster child for this phenomenon, since he moved to Colombia simply to be able to attract a good woman with only a "ham sammich", and now he's desiludionado after his plan didn't work out.
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Bored? Why would you become bored if all you're doing is dating women? What are you like some party animal who needs to be entertained 24/7? I mean cdr, your profile pic and and posting style screams SUPER MEGA PAINFULLY BOORRRING.
What do you do in larger cities that's so fun and exciting that you won't be able to do in Bucaramanga?
I think what's going on here is some men are absolutely clueless when it comes to dealing with women and romance, and no amount of assistance, or looking in poor countries is going to help them. The more they try, try, try, and try some more, the more they're just walking into a brick wall and they just fail, fail, and fail some more. Then they become frustrated and blame it on everything but their own inadequacies. Expat is the poster child for this phenomenon, since he moved to Colombia simply to be able to attract a good woman with only a "ham sammich", and now he's desiludionado after his plan didn't work out.
A typical "Mr Know It All" reply from awesome
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CDR
If I had to choose a city in Colombia to go to based on the women I dated in the past, I would take 2 weeks, rent an apartment in Bucaramanga and just meet as many ladies as possible, network and more networking. No offense to Maria, but forget about an agency if you can take at least 2 weeks to travel. Go to Coffee Houses, Universities, Churches, Festivals, ect.
If I were still in the game and had my mind absolutely set on Colombia, that is the city and the game plan I would go with.
KB
None Taken!
But then again you could also spend two weeks meeting women who you know are serious about finding a man and saving yourself the trouble to figure them all out on your own. I think it is nice to come down and have part of the work already done for you.
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Oh for the days when you could conquest your future bride by taking her out to Crepes and Waffles a few times..
This can still happen.
- Just keep your hand out of your wallet.
- Don't jump at every cry for help.
- Ignore all the BS stories
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What do you do in larger cities that's so fun and exciting that you won't be able to do in Bucaramanga?
Sorry but I have agree with this comment.
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CDR
Buca has tons of women and several Universities and some of the sweetest women in Colombia.
Very family oriented. You have tried to usual suspects, why not try a different path if you truly want to meet someone instead of the same failures that you have had going the route you seem to think is the only way--Just food for thought.
I'm in consultative sales so thinking outside the box is ingrained in my DNA
KB
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CDR
Buca has tons of women and several Universities and some of the sweetest women in Colombia.
Very family oriented. You have tried to usual suspects, why not try a different path if you truly want to meet someone instead of the same failures that you have had going the route you seem to think is the only way--Just food for thought.
I'm in consultative sales so thinking outside the box is ingrained in my DNA
KB
KB
It sounds a good plan but most guys, including myself are not confident to do the cold approach in malls, shops etc etc . Because of this, I doubt it could work for me
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This can still happen.
- Just keep your hand out of your wallet.
- Don't jump at every cry for help.
- Ignore all the BS stories
SOLID advice from a real, full blooded Colombiana telling it like it is. Love and romance aside, if you train anyone, man or woman, that they don't have to walk on their own because you'll always be their crutch, you can't be surprised when they fall down because you want to stop holding up your end. Even if you're filthy rich and they're only making small requests. If you build up a relationship to be based on what you're doing for her instead of how you feel about each other, you've already failed. I've ran across my fair share of gold diggers in Latin America but they were generally few and far between. And there were some situations I definitely could have handled better. But when I hear guys constantly complaining about running across women that only want them for their money, I can't help but assume they have an equal hand in creating those expectations in the very same women. Most of Latin America still lives below the poverty level. If there were that many gold diggers in countries like Colombia, Brazil, etc. most of the men wouldn't have any women willing to date them.
My advice is always the same when guys start talking about sending girls money: "What would she do if you weren't dating? She's survived up until now without you. You telling her no isn't going to kill her."
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None Taken!
But then again you could also spend two weeks meeting women who you know are serious about finding a man and saving yourself the trouble to figure them all out on your own. I think it is nice to come down and have part of the work already done for you.
+1
This makes a lot of sense.
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I always end up talking to women in Colombia just in the course of travelling. They're a friendly group especially with a gringo. One reason I would never live there, I would be in constant trouble.
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KB
Bucaramga is a small city with a population of only 502,000
I think 2 weeks in such a small city and you would become bored very quickly
Buca women have a rep of beimng hot-tempered..
But thats only a Rep
Its quite isolated from the rest of Colombia.
One place I have never been yet. I would like to go there, just to travel and visit the areas around-you know San Gil, etc.
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SOLID advice from a real, full blooded Colombiana telling it like it is. Love and romance aside, if you train anyone, man or woman, that they don't have to walk on their own because you'll always be their crutch, you can't be surprised when they fall down because you want to stop holding up your end. Even if you're filthy rich and they're only making small requests. If you build up a relationship to be based on what you're doing for her instead of how you feel about each other, you've already failed. I've ran across my fair share of gold diggers in Latin America but they were generally few and far between. And there were some situations I definitely could have handled better. But when I hear guys constantly complaining about running across women that only want them for their money, I can't help but assume they have an equal hand in creating those expectations in the very same women. Most of Latin America still lives below the poverty level. If there were that many gold diggers in countries like Colombia, Brazil, etc. most of the men wouldn't have any women willing to date them.
My advice is always the same when guys start talking about sending girls money: "What would she do if you weren't dating? She's survived up until now without you. You telling her no isn't going to kill her."
Hmm your right, shes going to survive, but shes gonna be looking for some other guy to take care of her..
I remeber the post a guy named Clavo made on PBH a few years ago
If a dead broke tacaño gringo came to Colombia, he would soon find that only 60 year old toothless women were hanging around him--because Colombians think all Gringos are rich..
Until they finally realized he was broke, and they would take off as well..
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My advice is always the same when guys start talking about sending girls money: "What would she do if you weren't dating? She's survived up until now without you. You telling her no isn't going to kill her."
+1
I will never get tired of saying it.
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Hmm your right, shes going to survive, but shes gonna be looking for some other guy to take care of her..
I remeber the post a guy named Clavo made on PBH a few years ago
If a dead broke tacaño gringo came to Colombia, he would soon find that only 60 year old toothless women were hanging around him--because Colombians think all Gringos are rich..
Until they finally realized he was broke, and they would take off as well..
You don't have to be tacaño AT ALL , you just can't jump in to solve her every problem.
SPECIALLY if you are just getting to know each other.
NOW there might be a point in the relationship where if you WANT, not if you are tricked into it.
ONLY if you want to give her a "Here you have no excuse to come to me with any sorry, BS stories monthly allowance" WHY THE HECK NOT?
But I sure do hope by then she's madly in love with what she gets in bed TOO..
Just saying.
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I always end up talking to women in Colombia just in the course of travelling. They're a friendly group especially with a gringo. One reason I would never live there, I would be in constant trouble.
Tell me about it. I've come to the realization that I'll probably never live in our house in the Philippines. Temptation is rampant. A walk in the mall makes for easy game. If the babes aren't as eager and/or flirtacious enough, cab drivers, door men and the like all seem to have a sister or niece they want you to meet. If I was a bad dog, I'd spend half my life there taking my pants on and off, the other half trying to sleep. And some really pretty ladies too, from jail bait to mature, light skin from bloodlines from Spain, to firey hot morenas.
But like Paul Newman said about philandering: "Why go out for hamburger when n you've got steak at home?" Mercy.....So many women-----so little time....
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Hi CDR,
As the original poster said, he is very picky. I had 60-70+ PRETTY, RELATIONSHIP women highly interested in meeting him that did not fit his criteria, he chose criteria over quantity. Each client is different, and everyone has their own personal criteria, we respect that. One man's beauty queen is another man's "maybe".
My database focuses on quality, and I'm in continuous communication with the girls, building rapport on a regular basis. That is why my level of service is so high, and how I can reduce the number of flakes and no-shows. If you just want to surf a large database of flakes then, as others have said, you can just use all of the other kind apps and online services for that. If you want True Matchmaking, then that's what I'm here for.
:D
True: 1) I am a picky/particular S.O.B. and 2) There were zero flakes/no-shows.
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My advice is always the same when guys start talking about sending girls money: "What would she do if you weren't dating? She's survived up until now without you. You telling her no isn't going to kill her."
+1 Same advice. They all had survived before we all came along!
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60 year old toothless women were hanging around him
This right here...
A guy must be real lame, have no self love, be too desperate to jump at this. :-X
if you:
Stay on top of your fitness game.
Keep a clean look.
Smell good at all times
Dress nice.
Treat her with love
DON'T be a pervert
Be romantic
Keep your hand out your wallet
Give her your full attention
Treat her like she is the ONLY ONE...
And now and then/or every time pick up the tab and get her a gift.
Is that too much to ask?
See guys, you don't get this but sadly and in our culture , if a woman has a man, there is no reason for her to live like a scumbag. People will see this and criticise her if she does.
Because there is still that bug in the system lingering within our society: The Woman for the matrimony and the men for the patrimony.
A girl who is seen meeting up with some dude at hotels every other month but still has to worry about barely making it and surviving, will only be the ridicule of her friends and family, sooner or later someone will encourage her to leave you or to ask you for money.
NOW!
Although life is changing, women still have it hard down here, we have more options, but regardless of how hard people work, with the lame salaries that barely help, women just barely make it.
Most of the girls that I meet have some sort of education and have a job. They complain about how Colombian men. Since men do not want to man up, women go out to make their $$.
So you need to make up your mind and be honest with what you want.
A professional woman who is independent, shows no signs of needing you financially, not scared to be alone because she is her own provider. (Still you can never compare her to a professional independant woman in The US)
Or
Would you be ok with a woman who has an average job makes minimum wage ( 700.000- 1'000.000COP a month) But that eventually will ask for help.
Please stop calling ALL women scammers or gold diggers. YES don't send her money but if you are going to come down every other month and shack up at a hotel with her at least make her feel that she has a man who takes care of her. Not another dude who only wants to get laid.. Might as well keep on dating the locals - I say!!
because if they really want to be with you all you need to do is to be different FROM THE LOCALS and YEAH change her life a bit.
AND I DON'T MEAN:
iPhone
BOOBS
A CAR
A HOUSE
DIAMONDS
There is a huge difference between taking care of your woman and spoiling your her rotten.
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Awesome report, this one actually made my decision final(even though I already purchased my ticket and booked with Jamie) lol. I wish I found this forum earlier, might have went the same route as the poster trying MJB's agency, now I know Jamie's isn't the only agency there. Love the info and the pictures, the one who worked at the shop was a cutie.
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Awesome report, this one actually made my decision final(even though I already purchased my ticket and booked with Jamie) lol. I wish I found this forum earlier, might have went the same route as the poster trying MJB's agency, now I know Jamie's isn't the only agency there. Love the info and the pictures, the one who worked at the shop was a cutie.
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It was a great trip report. New people and old get a lot of encouragement from such gracious efforts, to the point where such can make the difference between doing it or not. Way to go!
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It was a great trip report. New people and old get a lot of encouragement from such gracious efforts, to the point where such can make the difference between doing it or not. Way to go!
+1
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Awesome report, this one actually made my decision final(even though I already purchased my ticket and booked with Jamie) lol. I wish I found this forum earlier, might have went the same route as the poster trying MJB's agency, now I know Jamie's isn't the only agency there. Love the info and the pictures, the one who worked at the shop was a cutie.
That is great. You'll do fine using Jamie's as his agency has a good reputation on P.L. with several posters having met their wives through his service.
I saw on your intro thread that you are going in February. Great time of year to go to Barranquilla as it is the dry season, not the rainy season. Carnival is also in Feb. but not sure which exact date. That is the second biggest party in Latin America outside of Rio. Best of luck on your trip.
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Thanks Hector, don't mean to hijack your thread. I'm leaving like 4 days before, I didn't know if I wanted to stay for that. But I'm flexible enough at work if I wanted to stay a couple extra days, I could just work from there. How is the quality of women there looks wise, is it comparable to OC girls, hopefully not the stuck up attitudes, and that god complex?
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Thanks Hector, don't mean to hijack your thread. I'm leaving like 4 days before, I didn't know if I wanted to stay for that. But I'm flexible enough at work if I wanted to stay a couple extra days, I could just work from there. How is the quality of women there looks wise, is it comparable to OC girls, hopefully not the stuck up attitudes, and that god complex?
No worries, you aren't hijacking at all. I think just about anywhere in the world outside of the LA County/O.C. orbit is an improvement in attitude. Obviously, there are good and bad ladies no matter where you go.
In my experience, Medellin has the hottest ladies per capita in Colombia. But there is no shortage of beautiful ladies all over Colombia (based on my travels: BQ, Med, Cali and Cartagena). I am partial to the darker/more exotic look you find in Barranquilla and Cali. Part of it could be that Medellin is more walkable than Barranquilla and so you simply run into more ladies in public. Jamie will keep you very busy so you won't have anything to worry about on that score.
I have never been in B.Q. during carnival so I can't comment other than to say I hear it is a wild and fun time. Also, creates more crowding at hotels, taxis, etc. So probably just as well you are missing it. As I said, Jamie will keep you very busy.
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Hector,
I like how you said you did some cold approaches. I was thinking of doing more of those next time I go to Colombia but I am not sure which part of the country I would visit and which agencies I would use.
I would like to send you a private message but there is no option I don't think. Do you have an email address so I can email you?
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^^HP: You need 5 or 10 posts before you can send/receive private messages on the site. I think it is 10.
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Ten. Each as short as you want, then u can PM.
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+++1 Maria on this one!
I definitely needed to read that one. There seems to be a fine line between paying for dinner and an occasional gift and actually spoiling her buying her really expensive stuff. That's that kind of advice i needed to hear from a woman's perspective.