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you see venezuleans on just about every corner now,  doont see it getting any better.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2019, 08:08:15 PM »
There were thousands pouring in when the border was closed..they just took more clandanstine routes

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2019, 11:47:06 PM »
This is obviously just hypothetical, crazy talk as it would never happen. But what if Colombia made back door deals with the world’s super powers that involved unrestricted access to Venezuela’s oil reserves for a “small fee.” All the U.S., Russia and China would have to do is turn a blind eye to sudden military aggression by Colombia. Then what if Colombia started drafting Venezuelans that came across the border into the Colombian Army, giving them jobs and government benefits for their families. Then Colombia invaded Venezuela! I don’t think the Venezuelan Military would put up much of a fight against their own countrymen. With the right charismatic politician in charge...and I’m talking nothing short of a capitalist, Latino version of Hitler, those two countries becoming one could mean another economic superpower in South America.

Again, just the logistics of an idea like this are unfathomable but just imagine...

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2019, 12:34:40 AM »
Most people don't even realize that no other nation anywhere on earth has the amount of proven oil reserves that Venezuela has under it's feet.

No, it's not the cleanest crude straight out of the ground to refine, but nonetheless the value/amount is hard to fathom.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2019, 08:51:21 AM »
Most people don't even realize that no other nation anywhere on earth has the amount of proven oil reserves that Venezuela has under it's feet.

No, it's not the cleanest crude straight out of the ground to refine, but nonetheless the value/amount is hard to fathom.

The US has the bggest CHEAP high quality reserves close to the market and technical expertise

I.e Permian basin
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2019, 01:33:48 PM »
The US has the niggest CHEAP high quality reserves close to the market and technical expdrtise

I.e Permian basin


I'll bet the USA has even more oil in the lower 48 alone than it lets off.




Never mind that, the USA will spend--'use up'- the rest of the world's oil before really seriously beginning to suck it's own out of the ground.


I filled up my up ole Lexus LS430's tank w regular V8 )0 to 60 same 5.6 seconds  as 300Z that year--I get 17 MPG ) for $2.28 a gallon, BUT the using the Publix Supermarket card, I get a $50 card for $40.


So I'm really paying less than $2 a gallon for my 'go to' brand, Shell, which like BP here, sells a better blend..


I gotta bug for Hyundai's new Lexus like 'halo' brand Genesis and their G70--365 horsepower (350 on regular gas) touring sedan, BMW eater.Gets even worse mileage, espec. the way I drive.   But my current ride is better on my ass than preparation H is for hemorrhoids, so I'll wait a bit.


But for OIL?? The rest of the world can pay more, we figure. They'll have to kill me first before I buy an all electric car.


I remember as a kid seeing gas wars in Detroit Michigan, where gas went down to 21 cents a gallon. Back then--late 60's early 70's--they'd fill it up for you and maybe even give you a 4 piece set of 4, Fred Flintstones cartoon series  water glasses.


Then again, that was about the time when a Hershey bar cost a nickle.

A 1972 actually kind sporty looking Ford Maverick, sold for $1995.00.

You can't option up a car w/  air con for that price now.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2019, 05:06:09 PM »
This is obviously just hypothetical, crazy talk as it would never happen. But what if Colombia made back door deals with the world’s super powers that involved unrestricted access to Venezuela’s oil reserves for a “small fee.” All the U.S., Russia and China would have to do is turn a blind eye to sudden military aggression by Colombia. Then what if Colombia started drafting Venezuelans that came across the border into the Colombian Army, giving them jobs and government benefits for their families. Then Colombia invaded Venezuela! I don’t think the Venezuelan Military would put up much of a fight against their own countrymen. With the right charismatic politician in charge...and I’m talking nothing short of a capitalist, Latino version of Hitler, those two countries becoming one could mean another economic superpower in South America.

Again, just the logistics of an idea like this are unfathomable but just imagine...

Why would and should Colombia invade Venezuela???

The Rusians, Chinese, Cubans and Iranians have already invaded the.place long time ago

Best to.leave rhat foched up cesspool alone.

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2019, 07:35:57 PM »
Why would and should Colombia invade Venezuela???

The Rusians, Chinese, Cubans and Iranians have already invaded the.place long time ago

Best to.leave rhat foched up cesspool alone.

Greed. Anybody smart enough to be in power of another country,  neighbor or distant, might not admit it, but having the inside track, control over the world's greatest single, proven  concentration of petroleum deposits has an irresistible allure, be it sensitive,  forbidden fruit or not.

The USA could save them from themselves, ideally promoting democracy,  having them eat apple pie,  hot dogs, drive Chevrolets and adopt the more inflation resistant USD as their national currency.

It'd be perfect--an evolution of the USA's 'Manifest Destiny' mindset.

You can be damn sure the other aforementioned nations would love a similar arrangement,  under their own currency/control...
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 07:44:32 AM »
Greed.


EXACTLY!!! Most people don’t realize there’s more crude in Venezuela than all of Saudi Arabia. That alone is motivation enough to invade it.

And the primary reason Venezuela is a cesspool is the political doctrine that’s ran the country the last couple of decades. That has very little to do with the people themselves, who simply don’t know any better for the most part. Again, none of this would EVER happen, but the right charismatic, intelligent, ruthless, narcissistic leader in Colombia with no fear of interference from the global community could pull something like this off. This is kind of what Hitler did. Take a poor, starving population in economic ruin and build them up by first improving upon their quality of life, then finding a scapegoat to blame all their woes on. In this case it would be the Socialist regime currently in power in Venezuela instead of the entire Jewish population of Europe.

This would not be the first case of military tensions between Venezuela and Colombia. There are already Venezuelan Military personnel abandoning their post and crossing the border with the rest of the population. What I’m describing here isn’t that far fetched. You’re just never going to find a Colombian Politician with enough balls to pull it off. Even if there was one, he’d be paid off or dead before he could ever implement such an elaborate plan.

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 09:36:16 AM »
EXACTLY!!! Most people don’t realize there’s more crude in Venezuela than all of Saudi Arabia. That alone is motivation enough to invade it.

And the primary reason Venezuela is a cesspool is the political doctrine that’s ran the country the last couple of decades. That has very little to do with the people themselves, who simply don’t know any better for the most part. Again, none of this would EVER happen, but the right charismatic, intelligent, ruthless, narcissistic leader in Colombia with no fear of interference from the global community could pull something like this off. This is kind of what Hitler did. Take a poor, starving population in economic ruin and build them up by first improving upon their quality of life, then finding a scapegoat to blame all their woes on. In this case it would be the Socialist regime currently in power in Venezuela instead of the entire Jewish population of Europe.

This would not be the first case of military tensions between Venezuela and Colombia. There are already Venezuelan Military personnel abandoning their post and crossing the border with the rest of the population. What I’m describing here isn’t that far fetched. You’re just never going to find a Colombian Politician with enough balls to pull it off. Even if there was one, he’d be paid off or dead before he could ever implement such an elaborate plan.

In the USA typically elects the guy with the big hair, deep pockets for media/internet a Hollywood smile and a game show persona.

Meanwhile down in Central and South America, the people seem to feel more secure supporting charismatic, strong authoritative military type dictators and despots.

They say in general that the "People get the govt they deserve."

Winston Churchill said that the USA's form of democratic govt was THE worst, 'except for all the others' types of govt.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 10:27:25 AM »
But think of it for a minute, all that fecking oil, more than anyone else on earth. Wealth AND power, all in one.

It's the story,  the opportunity of a lifetime in our lifetime. I don't recall anything quite like this in recent history.

You know in hallways and back rooms of govts worldwide each day now, that they are discussing,  following play by play, working it.

But end of the day, I don't think the USA would go to war against China and/or Russia if they just stopped the unofficial BS and formally announced they tiok control the govt and production.

But Venezuela? It's 'James Bondian' or beyond in scope.

Anybody who grew up around a TV saw the great old flick "Goldfinger" about the ruthless eccentric old gent who exercised an elaborate attempt  to grab a dominant position on the world's  gold.

I say we redo the movie, but cast Jeff Bezos, acting as he currently does (richest man on earth) with his hot side kick Sanchez, as the villain.  I don't find Sanchez too appealling, but she can be the "Bond girl.'

IbIdris Elba can have a shot as the new Bond.

1st act, Bezos sends in his drones, attempting to seize control and rename the country Venezon, lol...

He buys Verizon,  folds that into it by giving everyone flagship phones, with 'Alexa' always listening, recording, like  she does in our house. He's got everything under surveillance!

Sounds strange,  but rest assured that different, stranger stuff than that will occur in other facets of our lives.

We've seen, I've known situations that were too hard to believe,  yet too true.

Guess with govt,  pol pot, the Khmer rouge in Cambodia was the most horrific and weird. That was when we thought the nazis set the lowest bar. Pot killed, tortured, raped millions of his own, reset the calendar to zero, outlawed money killed people because they could read or wore eyeglasses, and forced labor on his farm camps.

That's just in our lifetime.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2019, 12:57:25 PM »
Man, if this was stand up comedy or whatever this site is, it's:


"A hard room to work"


This desert is probably better suited to soundbites than to scenarios, never mind movies or history.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #12 on: June 12, 2019, 09:20:46 PM »
But think of it for a minute, all that fecking oil, more than anyone else on earth. Wealth AND power, all in one.

It's the story,  the opportunity of a lifetime in our lifetime. I don't recall anything quite like this in recent history.

You know in hallways and back rooms of govts worldwide each day now, that they are discussing,  following play by play, working it.

But end of the day, I don't think the USA would go to war against China and/or Russia if they just stopped the unofficial BS and formally announced they tiok control the govt and production.

But Venezuela? It's 'James Bondian' or beyond in scope.

Anybody who grew up around a TV saw the great old flick "Goldfinger" about the ruthless eccentric old gent who exercised an elaborate attempt  to grab a dominant position on the world's  gold.

I say we redo the movie, but cast Jeff Bezos, acting as he currently does (richest man on earth) with his hot side kick Sanchez, as the villain.  I don't find Sanchez too appealling, but she can be the "Bond girl.'

IbIdris Elba can have a shot as the new Bond.

1st act, Bezos sends in his drones, attempting to seize control and rename the country Venezon, lol...

He buys Verizon,  folds that into it by giving everyone flagship phones, with 'Alexa' always listening, recording, like  she does in our house. He's got everything under surveillance!

Sounds strange,  but rest assured that different, stranger stuff than that will occur in other facets of our lives.

We've seen, I've known situations that were too hard to believe,  yet too true.

Guess with govt,  pol pot, the Khmer rouge in Cambodia was the most horrific and weird. That was when we thought the nazis set the lowest bar. Pot killed, tortured, raped millions of his own, reset the calendar to zero, outlawed money killed people because they could read or wore eyeglasses, and forced labor on his farm camps.

That's just in our lifetime.

I know a gringo living in Medellin with his Venzuelan wife and daughter
And he just bought a finca there for pennies on the dollar
Hope it works out for him

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2019, 06:28:54 AM »
I know a gringo living in Medellin with his Venzuelan wife and daughter
And he just bought a finca there for pennies on the dollar
Hope it works out for him
Do you know what enabled him to get the finca for such a low price?


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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2019, 09:15:38 AM »
Inflation in Venezuela is expected to be ten million percent for this year.

If he's paying in USD, he's likely getting a steal of a deal.

Your risks are usually lessened if your wife's a citizen  of the country where the house is purchased,  but especially in C. & S. America, I'd be concerned about a US citizen buying property legally, only to have a new political regime come in, and 'nationalize' property to state ownership.

The title for our 2nd home in my wife's  country is in both our names, but she holds the dual citizenship,  so I think we're OK. But if worse came to worse, we'd transfer title to trusted family. With the currency rate in our favor, we're adding a second story and an upper level veranda, as well as laying new tile downstairs. and 'westernizing' the barhroom. We have family staying there to supervise, they also provide the guy food, so it's all good.

We have a 1st rate builder--one guy, who charges $11 a day. The materials, wood, windows, tile etc., are all so inexpensive and the currency exchange rate makes it a no brainer.

But with sooo many hot, horny young morenas all around,  I cant stay there for more than a few weeks at a time. Never mind 'massages' for $3 an hour, just a trip to the mall often involves resisting temptation---keeping my pants up when all those pretty young things want a taste of blue eyed vanilla bone, is too difficult.

With the US $ to Colombia's exchange rate at about a 5 year high, I imagine there are various purchase options there too that are attractive. But of course when it comes to homes and property,  the devil is in the details.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2019, 06:20:30 PM »
EXACTLY!!! Most people don’t realize there’s more crude in Venezuela than all of Saudi Arabia. That alone is motivation enough to invade it.

And the primary reason Venezuela is a cesspool is the political doctrine that’s ran the country the last couple of decades. That has very little to do with the people themselves, who simply don’t know any better for the most part. Again, none of this would EVER happen, but the right charismatic, intelligent, ruthless, narcissistic leader in Colombia with no fear of interference from the global community could pull something like this off. This is kind of what Hitler did. Take a poor, starving population in economic ruin and build them up by first improving upon their quality of life, then finding a scapegoat to blame all their woes on. In this case it would be the Socialist regime

currently in power in Venezuela instead of the entire Jewish population of Europe.

This would not be the first case of military tensions between Venezuela and Colombia. There are already Venezuelan Military personnel abandoning their post and crossing the border with the rest of the population. What I’m describing here isn’t that far fetched. You’re just never going to find a Colombian Politician with enough balls to pull it off. Even if there was one, he’d be paid off or dead before he could ever implement such an elaborate plan.

Canada has the same quality and API grade (APi 8 to 16) in almost as masive reserves as Venezuela

Dont know which is harder..getting rid of Trudeau, the eco terrorists and the SJW virtue signallers in Canada or Maduro, the Chavistas, Russians, Chinesd and Cubans in Venezuela


All we have to do is get rid of Trudeau and the eco- terorists.

But really the US wont be invading no.one when they have the Permian basin ,and other tight oilfields in thier own back yard growing production in leaps and bounds with oil stuck in the $50 to $60 dollar range. US is actually exporting oil now.


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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2019, 08:04:11 PM »
Canada has the same quality and API grade (APi 8 to 16) in almost as masive reserves as Venezuela

Dont know which is harder..getting rid of Trudeau, the eco terrorists and the SJW virtue signallers in Canada or Maduro, the Chavistas, Russians, Chinesd and Cubans in Venezuela


All we have to do is get rid of Trudeau and the eco- terorists.

But really the US wont be invading no.one when they have the Permian basin ,and other tight oilfields in thier own back yard growing production in leaps and bounds with oil stuck in the $50 to $60 dollar range. US is actually exporting oil now.

I think you underestimate greed, given opportunity.  So what if oil's down to $50 about now?

The grandeur and allure of controlling the world's greatest known oil reserves,  knowing you could periodically greatly reduce production,  reducing  global availability and hence adjust price, is too much.

Those with great power lust for wealth and vice versa.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2019, 06:56:16 AM »
I think you underestimate greed, given opportunity.  So what if oil's down to $50 about now?

The grandeur and allure of controlling the world's greatest known oil reserves,  knowing you could periodically greatly reduce production,  reducing  global availability and hence adjust price, is too much.

Those with great power lust for wealth and vice versa.

Venezuela is a lost cause. Chances are in 50 years we will be using way less oil...nlt because of scarcity..because of choice

Most of the Venezuelan  and Canadian oilsands crude will be kept in the ground forever

Even greedy people have common sense and go for the low hanging fruit.

Venezuelan oil is not thst easy snd cheap to.produce, even in the remote possiblility of a stable economic environment

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2019, 05:07:41 PM »
Venezuela is a lost cause. Chances are in 50 years we will be using way less oil...nlt because of scarcity..because of choice

Most of the Venezuelan  and Canadian oilsands crude will be kept in the ground forever

Even greedy people have common sense and go for the low hanging fruit.

Venezuelan oil is not thst easy snd cheap to.produce, even in the remote possiblility of a stable economic environment

You know a helluva lot more about all that than I'll ever know, so I defer and say:  You may damn very well be right.

I think there's too much money being made in factory towns and cities burning fossil fuels for oil to be basically a bygone subject for decades, or even a more fixed price product.

I just past a station selling $2.17 a gallon. My Pubix supermarket, buy $40 for $50 knocks that 2.17 price down 20% which equals $1.76 a gallon.

I forgot my water going to the gym and a 20 ounce bottle of Dasani water ((city water repurified by Coca Cola) cost me $2.14--at The 'Dollar Store'! Go figure.

I said b4 that they'll have to kill me b4 they get me to abandon my gasoline powered car, but all the big automakers abroad and domestically,  are preparing to go all electric.

China in particular, which has owned Volvo and other auto concerns from Western nations for a while now, is ready to take giant steps into their own homegrown truck and car companies,  aiming to match the USA, Japan Europe and Korea, tit for tat.

And dont take them lightly---now that they have all the western world's best machinery,  computers, satellite systems and more, they're done copying and merely making iPhones etc.

People forget for about 40 years, the Japanese,  especially their cars and consumer goods, were copies of USA/Western product. Even Lexus in the 80s was by and large copying German luxury cars and household appliances sold there all had names in ENGLISH,  because they thought that meant QUALITY.

Those  total crap 1st Hondas rusted with the first rain, just like the Italian body design but crappy build of the mid 80's 1st  USA car, the Hyundai Excel

For every three cars General Motors sells right at home in the USA, it sells FOUR in China.

But China's scary, we've taught em too well and never mind that we sold and gave em our best, the wayyyy too few hi tech areas we denied access to-- like Israel, they just stole the plans & blueprints.

And with our technology reliant on rare earth minerals,  from cell phones to our best fighter jets that each carry a TON of these earth materials, we are damn near f_cked, because after China bought the last USA mine that produced such, they basically gained worldwide monopoly control of that incredibly national security and wartime critical market.

Non of our better tech air, land and sea weapons,  no nukes, no Trident missiles,  can fire w/o these rare earth metals/minerals that China controls.

I think the USA just approved sale of a top tier, highest tech, all USA built satellite to China, which represents about the last 'crown jewel' of global satellite power, one that will enable them to potentially change and  'lord' over all the world's GPS systems. Oh, and it will enable them to send controlled internet,  radio and TV broadcasting to areas China only dreamed of reaching and controlling.

Last year Huawei, denied access to the USA celluar phone market, still outsold Apple. Not to be shy, they've said it's not a question of IF, but just as to how soon they top Samsung.

And as is the case, what about how the US Govt trumpets how critical 5G connectivity is to our world's future? Huawei, a relatively new company, is far and away the favorite provider globally to set up 5G infrastructure.

And other nations LOVE their 5G tech setup, which the Chinese provide for usually 30% less than what the less customer friendly USA outfits provide (non spyware infested) 5G for.

We've let them get ahead in Asia, C & S America, creating power plants and other infrastructure improvements all over those areas,  all projects that have long term ownership strings attached, already connecting to and paying back Beijing forever.

Meanwhile the USA is standing idly by....

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2019, 07:18:52 PM »
This guy has already had the Russians fly tens of tons of Venezuelan stamped gold to Africa. Then the gold trail gets fuzzy. I'd think he'd find a place with no extradition pact rather than wait to be overthrown and spend the rest of his life in a jail cell.
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[/size][/color]Maduro frequently calls Colombian President Ivan Duque a lackey for the United States and accuses him of conspiring to overthrow him. Duque says Maduro provides a safe haven to leftist Colombian rebel groups and has accused him of providing arms to the leadership of the National Liberation Army (ELN).[/font]
[/size][/color]“To the armed forces of Colombia, let us unite in one sole military force in the spirit of the great fatherland to unite our peoples in peace, to reject gringo military bases in Colombia, to reject plans for military aggression against Venezuela,” Maduro said in a state television broadcast.[/font]
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2019, 05:24:41 PM »
Maduro owns a mansion in the Punta Cana area of the Dominican Republic and it has been widely reported that that is where he and his family will go when push comes to shove. I don't ever recall Maduro having a connection with an African country so it comes as a surprise reading that he is supposed to have shipped gold to that continent. I imagine that if he shipped gold to some African nation the trail would get fuzzy indeed including for him. 

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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2019, 07:16:05 PM »
Maduro owns a mansion in the Punta Cana area of the Dominican Republic and it has been widely reported that that is where he and his family will go when push comes to shove. I don't ever recall Maduro having a connection with an African country so it comes as a surprise reading that he is supposed to have shipped gold to that continent. I imagine that if he shipped gold to some African nation the trail would get fuzzy indeed including for him.
http://yalibnan.com/2019/06/19/maduro-selling-off-venezuelan-in-a-secretive-operation-gold-reserves-in-africa/

Guess a ton is approaching  a value of about 40 million USD about now. And doesn't have the 10 million percent yearly inflation rate that Venez. currency does.

I seem to recall reading that the Russians had flown in as much as 70 tons onto Entebbe, Africa on Maduros behalf.

I'd have cut n run a long time ago. I'd worry about the Colombian military, although maybe like France's military maybe they're a standing joke?

I'd think the DR is too close, but if they have no extradition, it'd maybe work.

Rush Limbaugh says DR whores are the best and he oughta know.

But while Africa's probably just a laundrymat for washing the cash value
and not for residing,  rather than toney S. Africa, there's not many places I'd want to spend the rest of my days in over there.

But for a nation once thought to be 1st world--and rather European in sophistication, Venez. is one bizarrely f'd up place.
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2019, 08:15:22 PM »
Anyone ever think of there is more than oil at stake? Think about it a little. Right now in the US there has been talk of this "Democratic Socialism" in which Venezuela was put on a pedistal. Look at some of the trouble Che Guevera tried to stir up in south and central american contires and the fight against communism and socialist ideaologies over the decades.


Right now only Venezuela is on fire. What if you could bring down all the other socialist contries in South America like Brazil, Peru and Ecuador. Brazil has been slowly advancing on the world stage and U.S. Beef and grain producers have found ranchers in Brazil are the major competitor. If you could settle political debate about socialism here in the U.S. about socialism by sitting by and idly watch one country fall and it's neighbors like dominoes that would reduce competition with the U.S. and also resource rich areas (not just oil) would be on sale so to speak.


The danger side is that there is an old communist stratgy of installing itself under a collapsing government called the Clive Piven Theory. So by standing by idle other condries run the risk of full blown communism breaking out.


As far as who may or may not interfere there. You can bet Russian Speitznaz are on the ground there now. They operate similar to the U.S. Green Berret. Insert a small team and they can topple a government or keep one propped up by either start/help put the lid on a rebellion. Venezuala and it's oil is extreemly important to Russia as it's been hustling natural gas pipelines etc and making big moves to get it. They are not going to let Venezuala fall if they can do anything about it without an all out open war. Really though pitching two south american countries against one another would be nothing new as the US & Russia have done over the decades.


To obtain Venezuala oil by the US would be a huge gain but potentially at high cost. Sitting idly by and watching them implode and overload other socialist countries is much lower risk and bigger for our economy overall. Then there is the bonus that pro capitalists can point at those countries and say, "See, socilism doesn't work." This is the play I think the U.S. is currently taking but could flip flop with the change of leadership to a more aggressive stance on obtaining those resources.




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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
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Re: Thousands of Venezuelans pour into Colombia, Maduro open borders
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2019, 01:04:15 AM »
Anyone ever think of there is more than oil at stake? Think about it a little. Right now in the US there has been talk of this "Democratic Socialism" in which Venezuela was put on a pedistal. Look at some of the trouble Che Guevera tried to stir up in south and central american contires and the fight against communism and socialist ideaologies over the decades.


Right now only Venezuela is on fire. What if you could bring down all the other socialist contries in South America like Brazil, Peru and Ecuador. Brazil has been slowly advancing on the world stage and U.S. Beef and grain producers have found ranchers in Brazil are the major competitor. If you could settle political debate about socialism here in the U.S. about socialism by sitting by and idly watch one country fall and it's neighbors like dominoes that would reduce competition with the U.S. and also resource rich areas (not just oil) would be on sale so to speak.


The danger side is that there is an old communist stratgy of installing itself under a collapsing government called the Clive Piven Theory. So by standing by idle other condries run the risk of full blown communism breaking out.


As far as who may or may not interfere there. You can bet Russian Speitznaz are on the ground there now. They operate similar to the U.S. Green Berret. Insert a small team and they can topple a government or keep one propped up by either start/help put the lid on a rebellion. Venezuala and it's oil is extreemly important to Russia as it's been hustling natural gas pipelines etc and making big moves to get it. They are not going to let Venezuala fall if they can do anything about it without an all out open war. Really though pitching two south american countries against one another would be nothing new as the US & Russia have done over the decades.


To obtain Venezuala oil by the US would be a huge gain but potentially at high cost. Sitting idly by and watching them implode and overload other socialist countries is much lower risk and bigger for our economy overall. Then there is the bonus that pro capitalists can point at those countries and say, "See, socilism doesn't work." This is the play I think the U.S. is currently taking but could flip flop with the change of leadership to a more aggressive stance on obtaining those resources.

As world govts are rather reluctant to send troops in to take over the nation (although Colombia seems best situated)  I again think that the owner of Amazon, Jeff Bezos could do it.

He just needs to use his force of drones.

He drops free Apple and android phones preloaded with Alexa and a $100 credit. Alexa of course listens to everything, and it's not long before Bezos is their leader and is in control of the world's largest know proven oil reserves.

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