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Title: Breast Implants
Post by: Eric39 on July 31, 2007, 10:38:06 AM
When I first began my search for a latina on the internet about 9 years ago, I was amazed at the incredible figures the women had. I (Mr Naive) was thinking it must be genetics or they exercise a lot or its the water or something. Several years later I started realizing that many of the women had implants but I was still surprised that so many could afford it (I was thinking of the costs for the procedure in the USA). It was not until last year when I was in Venezuela for two weeks that I found out how cheap all the cosmetic procedures are as well as how many women had these procedures done.

I am wondering how many of the women on these websites have had procedures done. I know that many Venezuelan women get the procedure done when they are in their late teens and from what people told me at the office in Venezuela, many women will go out and get work done right after they receive their annual bonus. Not that there is anything wrong with having it done, but I am wondering if this is a potential red flag to be aware of? Anyone have any experience with this? Just curious.

Thanks,

Eric
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: chizz on July 31, 2007, 10:53:54 AM
In my experiences, I've learned that many women in colombia, would love to have implants. In fact, about 95% of the women i've met, had flat out said, yes, they want them. I'm not really a breast man, I'm more of an butt, hips and legs man. But down there Breasts are really important to the self-esteem of a woman. I think one of the girls on Jamie's site, has it in her bio that she wants implants, so that should tell you something.
As far as red flagging it, depends on the woman. Does she ask you to pay for them on the first date? could be problem, or is it your fiance who stated that one day she would like to have them? To me, it depends on the situation and the woman, and your read on her.
chizz
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: daytrader on July 31, 2007, 11:19:01 AM
In my experiences, I've learned that many women in colombia, would love to have implants. In fact, about 95% of the women i've met, had flat out said, yes, they want them.

There ya go Mark Anthony @ Amor De Cartegena....here is NEW SEARCH CRITERIA for your website--

"Want Breast Implants"  Yes/No


DayTrader
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: chizz on July 31, 2007, 11:25:22 AM
There ya go Mark Anthony @ Amor De Cartegena....here is NEW SEARCH CRITERIA for your website--

"Want Breast Implants"  Yes/No


DayTrader

lmao!
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on July 31, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
 Better add butt implants too. that's also huge over there as well as butt injections with collegen  and fat added to make booty bigger! Why anyone would take risk adding implants or injections to their butt is beyond me. Risky.I wonder how all of these surgeries will look years down the line or if they will have to be removed at any time.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: bundy_138 on July 31, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
LOL!  Butt Implants!   :D  Funny, I know of a girl in Cali that has them.  She was messin' with my buddy and he showed me pic's of her in a thong.  It looked very nice! 

My novia wants a bood job.  She said it would cost about $2,000 to get a good one.  I personally like them el natural, but I guess they make a woman feel better about herself. 

Fake boobs are everywhere in Cali.  Every time I go to the Exito or the mall, it is like a tit parade.  I like to look at them, but I am still on the fence about playing with a couple flesh covered melons!

Bundy 
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Eric39 on July 31, 2007, 04:03:02 PM
LOL!

I worry about what will happen to all those implants after 20 years. I know I may be falling apart, but I could only imagine what might be falling off my wife. And if we have kids and they do not look like either of us, I guess I should ask her how much surgery she has had done before I run out and beat up the mailman.

There ya go Mark Anthony @ Amor De Cartegena....here is NEW SEARCH CRITERIA for your website--

"Want Breast Implants"  Yes/No


DayTrader

I was thinking about that too. Maybe a question like:

How many implants or surgeries have you had?

Or

As a percentage of body mass, what percentage of your weight is from man-made materials?
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on July 31, 2007, 05:33:46 PM

As a percentage of body mass, what percentage of your weight is from man-made materials?

 Great question! 2lbs of boob and 5 lbs for the butt. ;D

 Talking about dangerous, I was talking to a Colombiana in Miami once who was telling me about her surgeries. Girl had a knock-out shape. then I saw her before pics and I now beleive in miracles. Some of these doctors are the best. She had all the fat from her waist put into her behind and told me in Colombia if that is done wrong, you can risk death as it has happened before or you can get a really bad infection. Then she told me about the butt injections which are even riskier. I asked her why women would do that instead of working out  and she said because they want to attract men.

 I don't know about anybody else, but I like natural beauty and if the girl I love is very into getting implants or shots of any kind I would reconsider or have a talk with her.
 
  If she knows these things turn me off and she still insist on having surgeries I would ask why. Why do you feel you need big tattas or huge booty even if it does nothing for me? How many girls would really be happy if a guy told her he was getting a dick implant and there were health risk?

   These girls have to realize after the "right" guy fell in love with them because they were already very attracted to the whole package.

   Has anyone seen Ice t's wife CoCo? there's a woman who went overboard with plastic surgery and no different from some Colombianas who think they have no value other than their bodies. Sleeping with her is about all I can stand as I've heard her open her mouth and the head is EMPTY!
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Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: RJS on July 31, 2007, 06:01:04 PM
I'm anti-implants. I could tolerate a very moderate boob job, but butt implants? No way. I wouldn't let a girl I was already with get them either. Take a look at Kim Kardashian for a butt implant gone wrong. I'm sure it looked good when she did it, but then she gained a few pounds and now she has a monstrous ass. I like petite women. Plus there's too many risks of complications.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on July 31, 2007, 06:14:11 PM
I still can't figure out how so many Colombianas can afford all this surgery. I mean come on. Even some of the poorer ones have it. what's up with that? I hear surgery is cheap and compared to American proces seem great. But Colombianas are not making American salaries. Some young ones are not making salaries at all half the time.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Eric39 on July 31, 2007, 06:24:11 PM
I am generally anti-implant as well, but if they are done tastefully or if the woman really needs it, like her breasts are totally screwed up, then sure.

I dated a Peruvian when I lived in California. She had had 3 kids so she had gotten liposuction and a boob job. The boobs looked great, but she had a slash across her lower abdomen that was distracting and ugly. Not to mention this woman was incredibly jealous and had a firey temper, but that is for another thread.

I hear the surgeries are quite inexpensive, at least in Venezuela, and I have also heard some deaths from some as well. But the women will do anything I guess to get attention.



   
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: utopiacowboy on July 31, 2007, 06:52:26 PM
Lots of silicone in Colombia but I prefer them all natural.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: soltero on July 31, 2007, 07:26:12 PM
I still can't figure out how so many Colombianas can afford all this surgery. I mean come on. Even some of the poorer ones have it. what's up with that? I hear surgery is cheap and compared to American proces seem great. But Colombianas are not making American salaries. Some young ones are not making salaries at all half the time.

The answer to that question is simple. Watch the telenovela "Sin tetas no hay paraiso". Focus on two words..."Prepago" and "Narcos"...if you see a girl with no apparent means who has had work done, then she has been financed by gringo or narco...
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: valleydude on July 31, 2007, 11:23:39 PM
I myself like all natural as well. The Venezuelan I was seeing had some plastic and was really into it as well. I found this out after it was too late. She would not budge on her opinions and could care less if I liked it or not. Looking back I should have cut my losses right there. Another big thing in Venezuela is to have  braces.

I think it does make some girls feel better, but when my wife mentioned it, I told her that I liked her how she was and she was 100% cool. She dropped the subject and was completely content/confident knowing I was happy with her. I think that is how it should be. If the girls hasn't already done it, then she should take your opinion into consideration.

V-Dude
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: william3rd on August 01, 2007, 07:29:53 AM
My opinion- if she still thinks that she needs implants after you have married her as she is, then the implants are probably not for you. It burns my ass that the next guy wont even offer to pay for the implants that you provided.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: sean126 on August 01, 2007, 07:40:03 AM
The times I've been in Barranquilla....I've never really noticed many women with implants.  One or two in all the times I've been there.

I've been thinking.....I think I might get botox in my "easter basket", so they'll be as smooth as eggs. Those wrinkles just make me look to old. LOLOLOLOLOOLL.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: chizz on August 01, 2007, 07:41:33 AM
Latinas have such incredible figures to begin with, I really don't see the need for implants, breast or butt. Here in america, where everywhere you look, you see advertisments, commercials, etc showing all these perfect figures, you can see why people here would be self-conscious. I can only imagine it must be worst in colombia because nearly every woman wants implants, and it boggles my mind. I like natural beauty, nothing artificial, and I tell every woman i meet that. But in the end, I guess the woman has to be happy with who she is, and some feel implants will accomplish that, I disagree.
chizz
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: mudd on August 01, 2007, 12:20:55 PM
medellin, a lot,
cali, used to be a  lot, now some
bogota,some to not too many
barranquilla, same a bogota
cartagena, very few
smaller cities, manizales and other, very few
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Kiltboy1 on August 01, 2007, 01:32:30 PM
My Wife is a petite woman , all natural. My ex cali wife, more voluptious and had implants, really good ones. I would be lying if I said I did not miss a nice Rack on a chica, caus I do . But I love my wife just as she is, so I picked her and thats the one I am sticking with . She rocks my world !!!!!

KB
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: EbonyPrince on August 03, 2007, 04:35:53 PM
Put me down for the natural category tambien.  Implants are a deal breaker.  My ex wanted to have a nose job (which she could have technically used), but I like it as it was.  It was her uniqueness about her.

I would be skeptical about a woman that talked about having implants.  I actually met a girl on my first trip to BAQ that had a nice body.  She told me that she wanted implants, because her ex-boyfriend always told her that she would look better.  IMO a lot of this is driven by the Colombianos, which is really sad.  I also met another girl that had had liposuction.  Her attitude was that if she got fat or older (she was 32), she would just get surgery to correct it.  She saw no need to exercise.  I am sorry but I consider that just plain, downright trifling and lazy.  She did look hot in clothes.  When her shirt raised up and I caught a glimpse of the skin underneath, it looked horrible and turned my off totally.  Needless to say I never contacted her again once I left Colombia.

So to each his own, but I will take a natural woman any day of the week.  ;)
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Dan Las Vegas on August 03, 2007, 08:08:33 PM
Walking around Medellin, it appears to be the plastic surgery capitol of the world!!! I never saw so many implants in my life !! My novia said they are very inexpensive to have done in Medellin. 
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 03, 2007, 08:52:24 PM
Cosmetic surgery is unnecessarily a taboo here.  It is not in Colombia.

Colombianas indeed are keen to get implants or other surgery because surgery is often their only option.  After all, if a woman has flat chest, how is she going to make them grow naturally?  If she has an unattractive nose, how is it going to correct by itself?   And looks for a woman are paramount, both for her self-esteem and to get the best guys. 

Colombianas are competitive both by nature and by circumstance.  The main reason is because there are not many guys in Colombia who are able and willing to support their family and kids, and to provide the lifestyle that the girls seek, so the competition for those guys is fierce, and the girls are often desperate.   

I personally would never neither ask a girl for implants or pay for her to get them.  Asking for them I consider unethical and insulting.  And if a girl would ask me for them, I would treat it with suspicion.  After all, if I show her that I like her the way she is, whom is she going to impress?  If I a girl already had them, and they were done well, it would be fine with me I guess.  Still I would be concerned how they could be affected by pregnancy.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Kiltboy1 on August 03, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
Russo

That is logic that is hard to dismiss. I agree

KB
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 03, 2007, 09:51:47 PM

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Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: EbonyPrince on August 04, 2007, 06:32:38 AM
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Walking around Medellin, it appears to be the plastic surgery capitol of the world!!! I never saw so many implants in my life !! My novia said they are very inexpensive to have done in Medellin.

I have heard similiar things about Medelllin.  From the women that I met online, there seems to be more smokers and girls with tatoos from there also (at least amongst the younger crowd).  They seem more big city than other parts of Colombia.  I would almost equate them with the same attitude as people from Cartagena (IMO), just by what I have seen and heard.  Any comments?
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Dan Las Vegas on August 04, 2007, 10:52:02 AM
I can't compare them to any other cities in colombia, as I have only visited Medellin. But I can say that it was quite rare for me to see any tattoo's on women and the ones that did have them very very young. I was staying in the Santa Monica barrio, so I would imagine what I saw was the average women in the city, but the incidence of plastic surgery was still amazing....even more so in Poblado
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: fathertime on August 04, 2007, 11:09:31 AM
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I personally would never neither ask a girl for implants or pay for her to get them.  Asking for them I consider unethical and insulting.  And if a girl would ask me for them, I would treat it with suspicion.  After all, if I show her that I like her the way she is, whom is she going to impress?

I wound not ask a girl to get implants either.  If a spouse wanted to get them despite me already being attracted to her, I would not treat it with suspicion (Assuming the marriage was not going downhill otherwise.)  Women like to impress other women.  Regardless of how often a woman is complimented, if she sees saggy boobs in the mirror and knows they can be enhanced, she may want to do it for herself. 
Ok... if that if that's what makes her happy then I woundn't stop her!  Like anyone, I like a good set of boobies but it is not all that important in the scheme of things.

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: doombug on August 04, 2007, 04:04:53 PM
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/aybooba/breast-implants.jpg)   (http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/basic/happyno.gif)

Her grin aside, what a miserable life it must be.

Her every waking moment (heck, even her sleeping moments) hindered by gargantuan sacks of sea water. In her case, they may or may not be real, maybe it's photo shopped, but for the women who get such jugular transplants or are unlucky enough to be born with them, life's gotta be a pisser. Her back's already gonna be frail when she hits 70, and now the damn thing's likely to snap if she so much as bends over to pick up the kitty's bowl. 

Vanity!

Gawd, how vain and stupid could one species be. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Montrealer on August 05, 2007, 11:31:48 PM
Here's my take.

Personally I don't like implants, and I think a lift is good for when the time comes and gravity starts working harder.

As for dating a woman with implants, I've done it in the past, and wouldn't recommend it to anyone.  It's one of those things that look nicer in the box than they are to play with.

Lastly, if a woman who has very little money (or at least very little disposable money) is spending it on her physical appearance, and not on something more practical, then you can clearly see where her priorities lie.  Especially when she is asking you for 10.000 pesos to buy a phone card, 20.000 for taxis, demanding/expecting gifts, getting stuff out of the pawn shop, etc.  In general it's just a sign of wrong priorities and possibly a shallow woman.

Or maybe she didn't pay for them.  Then you need to ask how many times she's blown Juan Carlos before he could sneak the money away from his wife to buy them for her.  Or maybe she's still making payments to Juan Carlos???

Haven't added my bold 2 cents in a while, so this was for those who missed me.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 06, 2007, 04:03:59 PM
Monty,

how exactly is getting implants 'not practical'???  ???

It is VERY practical.  The girl wants to attract more men and better men, so she needs to attract more attention.  The way women do it is by improving their appearance.  I don't know of any better and more effective ways for a woman to attract men.

Do implants work?  You bet! (Which is why they are so popular.)  And you know this yourself, regardless of your opinion of them.  So how is getting implants for the girl not practical in your opinion?  What do you think she should spend money on?

I do think that if a guy blows a fortune on them it is silly, but for the girl it is a great, especially if she is not paying.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 06, 2007, 04:20:44 PM
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Getting breast implants just to attract men is stupid, stupid, stupid!

If the men she attracts with her bigger boobs were not attracted to her before by her other qualities, then she is getting exactly what she deserves…a shallow-minded bozo with tits on his brain.

From my experience, the ones most interested in a gal’s implants are other women. “Most” of the guys are levelheaded enough to be able to see beyond her tits and appreciate the qualities that really count.

Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 06, 2007, 06:45:59 PM
OK, what other purpose do breast implants serve other than attract men (or retain the one she has in case she has a low self esteem).

I personally prefer them natural, but...  Women want to be noticed.  For example, she goes to a disco, stands next to an identical girl with bigger boobs, who gets asked first?  I agree that there is a lot more to a woman than boobs, but physical appearance is absolutely important.  Of course if the only thing (or things rather) that a woman can offer are boobs, she will not become much more than a temporary love interest to anyone but a fool.  BUT if I like a woman for her qualities, but find other women (and their breasts) more physically appealing, the first one can make a good friend ;) 

If a woman wants to attract a top guy who is successful, loyal, who is able and willing to support a family, she faces a great deal of competition, especially in Colombia.  And all things being equal, "Most" guys will pick a girl with bigger boobs, rounder ass and slimmer waist.  And men should not be ashamed or condemned for that.  That's normal.  It is not "shallow".  Would a woman marry a janitor if she can marry a lawyer?  So men and women are shallow in their own unique ways. 

And if a woman has A-cups, how is she supposed to make them bigger? 

Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 07, 2007, 06:16:03 AM
(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/aybooba/shallow_header.jpg)


OK, what other purpose do breast implants serve other than attract men (or retain the one she has in case she has a low self esteem).

Reconstructive surgery for breast cancer patients for one.

If she has low self esteem, bigger boobs aren’t the answer. Maybe she needs a shrink.

If her man is going to leave her if she doesn’t have her boobs stuffed, then she should do the right thing and kick his shallow arse out.

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Of course if the only thing (or things rather) that a woman can offer are boobs, she will not become much more than a temporary love interest to anyone but a fool.

If that’s all she has is her fake tits, then I guess that’s all she deserves is some shallow fool who’s in love with her tatas.

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…if I like a woman for her qualities, but find other women (and their breasts) more physically appealing, the first one can make a good friend

Now that’s shallow! :o

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If a woman wants to attract a top guy who is successful, loyal, who is able and willing to support a family, she faces a great deal of competition…

Stuffing your tits doesn’t attract top guys. It only attracts lesbians and shallow morons.

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And if a woman has A-cups, how is she supposed to make them bigger?

HUH? Anyone who thinks she is “supposed” to make them bigger is simply a shallow person.

Shallow, shallow, shallow!


Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: chizz on August 07, 2007, 07:50:09 AM
Any woman who thinks she needs to get breats implants to attract a man, needs her head examine. It goes back to an age old question, "Do you want a man to love you for who you are, or what you look like?" Granted, everyone has preferences and like different things about a woman, but everything has to be taking into consideration. If you are attracted to a woman because of her physical features and/or implants, and nothing else, what are you going to do later on in life. Remember, women get old, breast start to sag, wrinkles appear, weight is gained, butt is not a firm as it used to be, and when this happens then what? The reason you wanted to be with this woman is gone, what you going to do leave? If I meet two women and one has nice qualities im looking for in a wife, and the other one has implants, then miss implants can be good friend.
chizz
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: jm21-2 on August 07, 2007, 02:35:18 PM
BUT if I like a woman for her qualities, but find other women (and their breasts) more physically appealing, the first one can make a good friend ;) 
That sounds like you're saying that if you were dating a woman for her qualities, you'd ditch her for a girl who's more attractive, everything else equal? I'm assuming (hoping?) that's not what you meant...
Title: Re: Breast Implants - in response to Chizz
Post by: el_ruso on August 07, 2007, 02:38:59 PM
in response...

"Any woman who thinks she needs to get breats implants to attract a man, needs her head examine."

So are you suggesting that women with large breasts do not attract men's attention?  Well, my personal experience is quite different from yours then.

I have not advocated that women should get implants, nor that I am crazy for women with implants, etc., but...  getting implants is perhaps the best investment a woman can make.

Further in response:
"It goes back to an age old question, "Do you want a man to love you for who you are, or what you look like?" "
Well, I would argue for BOTH.  Would a man love a woman who is unattractive physically?  I would not, nor would the vast majority of men.  If you are indeed different, I congratulate you, you have a lot more choices, a lot less competition, and your life is a lot easier.

Further in response:
"If you are attracted to a woman because of her physical features and/or implants, and nothing else..."
Agreed.  You are stating the obvious.  That's why I stated that a woman needs to have BOTH physical beauty and personal qualities to attract and keep quality men.  What I argued though was that the physical beauty is a necessary part of the equation, and women who lack it are understandably driven to obtain it through surgery or other available means.

Similarly, a man needs to be financially stable in addition to "nice qualities" to attract women.  If a guy is really nice, but works as a janitor, few women with better options will be attracted to him.  That's the sad truth about the world we live in, and I don't think these realities are going to change anytime soon.

Further in response:
"Remember, women get old..."
This is not a shocking revelation to me.  Guess what, I will get old myself.  I do not expect the girl to be Miss Universe, nor to be Miss Universe her entire life.  I do expect though that she will put effort into maintaining her appearance as much as she can.

Further in response:
"If I meet two women and one has nice qualities im looking for in a wife, and the other one has implants, then miss implants can be good friend."
Well, as I have said again and again and again...  A woman needs both to attract top men.  If you meet two women and they both have nice qualities, and one looks better, which one will you pursue?  Why do you insist that big boobs and a round ass are mutually exclusive to "nice qualities"?  They are not.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: doombug on August 07, 2007, 02:40:12 PM
If she has low self esteem, bigger boobs aren’t the answer. Maybe she needs a shrink.

You may be more right than you know. ;)

Breast Implant, Suicide Link Explored (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141400,00.html)

"Three previous studies have shown a roughly threefold increase in suicide among women with cosmetic breast implants."

So the guy gets to play with some gravity-resistant boobs for a while, but may pay for it later when her chemically imbalanced brain suddenly snaps.
Title: Re: Breast Implants - in response to JM
Post by: el_ruso on August 07, 2007, 02:43:39 PM
No, I am not suggesting ditching.  I do believe in commitment.  Therefore, I would not date a woman who is not attractive to me in the first place. so I will not have neither remorse nor temptation if another attractive woman is theoretically available. 
Title: Re: Breast Implants - in response to Ray
Post by: el_ruso on August 07, 2007, 02:55:34 PM
in response...

"Stuffing your tits doesn’t attract top guys. It only attracts lesbians and shallow morons."  Any empirical proof on that?


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And if a woman has A-cups, how is she supposed to make them bigger?

HUH? Anyone who thinks she is “supposed” to make them bigger is simply a shallow person.

Shallow, shallow, shallow!"

1. No, she is not *supposed* to make them bigger.  But, if women have crooked teeth, they are not "supposed" to wear braces to straighten them out either.  But many do.  How is one different from the other?

2. So, if a woman is born with A-cups how CAN she make them bigger other than get implants?  Do you offer her other solutions?

Further, why is it not shallow for a woman to care about the guy's ability and willingness to maintain a family, but it is shallow for guys to care about women's bra size?  both are normal, and there should be no shame in it.  How many chicks would marry a nice janitor versus a nice lawyer? 

Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: william3rd on August 07, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
nice janitors have bigger broomsticks. . .

nice lawyers are a fairy tale.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Jeff S on August 07, 2007, 04:06:16 PM
So are you saying that getting plastic bolt-on tits ISN'T shallow? You may not think so, but for some of us it'd be a deal breaker - like tatoos, nipple rings, nose jobs, liposuction and a host of other things.

I look at like this, you use whatever criteria you decide to elimninate potentials from the crowd until there is only one left. For me, A-cups aren't an immediate knockout - rock hard Ds most cretainly are - because getting them is a self absorbed, shallow, and vain act - traits I sure wouldn't be looking for for in a wife. You, however are free to use whatever criteria you wish. Glad there are people around who don't mind.

I see enough lizard ladies in Newport Beach who have spent small fortunes turning themselves into plastic barbie dolls. It takes a lot of will power to not burst out laughing when I see them strutting their stuff.

Oh - and the difference is that straight teeth are functional. They work better, last longer, and require less maintenance, and cause less pain than crooked ones. Now getting all caps to have a holllywood smile is right up there with a boob job in my book.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 07, 2007, 08:13:44 PM
I am not suggesting that women should get implants.  All I said was that it is a good investment for a woman to do.  They are extremely effective, and if they were not, women would not be getting them.  And the main reason people get braces is cosmetic, regardless of other possible benefits.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with cosmetic surgery, as long as it is done well and not overdone, and I am not the one paying for it.

self absorbed, shallow and vain act?  Why?  Are you serious?  So you want a woman who does not care about how she looks?  Be my guest.  I am glad there are guys like you.

Most women however do want to look good, and not everyone is blessed with natural large breasts, or for that matter attractive noses.  I am sure they would have rather been born with them, but they were not.  They did not have the good luck.  A guy can hit a gym and get more muscles.  A woman cannot hit a gym and get bigger breasts.  Why do you deny them a right to look good through the best available means?  Judging them, or condemning, or laughing at them when they are "strutting their stuff" is cruel and ridiculous.  Please explain, you or anyone who posted before you, how can a woman effectively make her breasts bigger other than by implants?
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: fathertime on August 07, 2007, 08:44:23 PM
russo, I think the point is while for you implants are a plus, for many it is a negative.  Many men would be less likely to marry a woman with implants while for you it could be the deciding factor between two equal ladies.   :o

I guess implants work for some ladies but I hold that they are likely to attract less genuine men and more "Players."   I further hold that many ladies like the added attention just for the sake of attention itself.  If nothing else, to impress other ladies.  As a disclaimer I will say this is not in ALL cases, but in many.  When it comes to a woman with implants, I think I would be a little more cautious during the "Dating" phase. 

In regards to disagreeing with Monty about the practicality of implants, I think he is correct.  If a woman has a couple thousand to spend, it would be better spent on her education in a viable career path to gain a skill, rather than body decoration designed to hopefully attract a man to take care of her.  :P

Fathertime!  
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: chizz on August 07, 2007, 08:47:55 PM
Response to the Response:

So are you suggesting that women with large breasts do not attract men's attention?  Well, my personal experience is quite different from yours then.

I have not advocated that women should get implants, nor that I am crazy for women with implants, etc., but...  getting implants is perhaps the best investment a woman can make.

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I reread my post several times, and don't see where you got that from. I said,  a woman who thinks she needs to get implants to attract a man, needs to get her head examine. Meaning, she wants a man to want her for the wrong reasons, and getting implants is not the best investment a woman can make.


    Well, I would argue for BOTH.  Would a man love a woman who is unattractive physically?  I would not, nor would the vast majority of men.  If you are indeed different, I congratulate you, you have a lot more choices, a lot less competition, and your life is a lot easier.

  
You conviently ignore where i wrote about everyone having preferences, Where as I prefer a woman who I am attracted to, and is secure enough to love who she is, and wants a man to appreciate her for who she is, you want implants. good luck to you.

 Agreed.  You are stating the obvious.  That's why I stated that a woman needs to have BOTH physical beauty and personal qualities to attract and keep quality men.  What I argued though was that the physical beauty is a necessary part of the equation, and women who lack it are understandably driven to obtain it through surgery or other available means.

 

That's not what you said earlier. You said, "But if I like a woman for her qualities, but find other women(and their breast) more physically appealing, the first one can make a good friend". Loving a woman for her beauty and personal qualities are completely different from what you said here.
Similarly, a man needs to be financially stable in addition to "nice qualities" to attract women.  If a guy is really nice, but works as a janitor, few women with better options will be attracted to him.  That's the sad truth about the world we live in, and I don't think these realities are going to change anytime soon.

 
I agree with this, however, that "janitor" could've treated her like a queen, so in retrospect, it could've been her lost, not his.


Further in response:
"Remember, women get old..."
This is not a shocking revelation to me.  Guess what, I will get old myself.  I do not expect the girl to be Miss Universe, nor to be Miss Universe her entire life.  I do expect though that she will put effort into maintaining her appearance as much as she can.

 

I see you like to pick and chose quotes. The point of the "entire" statement, was that if you find a woman you want to be with because of phyical beauty "only" what are you going to do when it's gone, and you find out you have nothing in common, and you realize that you have nothing to talk about? Dump her and find another "beauty"?


Well, as I have said again and again and again...  A woman needs both to attract top men.  If you meet two women and they both have nice qualities, and one looks better, which one will you pursue?  Why do you insist that big boobs and a round ass are mutually exclusive to "nice qualities"?  They are not.

This was actually a play on what you said earlier, about chosing a woman with bigger breast over a woman with nice qualities. I never implied that big boobs and a round ass are exclusive to the "nice qualities" woman, you did when you implied that miss quality could be a friend and miss boobs could be your woman.

chizz



 
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: doombug on August 07, 2007, 10:03:52 PM
"Stuffing your tits doesn’t attract top guys. It only attracts lesbians and shallow morons."  Any empirical proof on that?

On the matter of shallow morons:

"Lots of men have written me in response to this page ["48 Reasons Not to Get a Boob Job"] and said they agree that implants are gross... but after tens of thousands of hits here, only a handful of men ever wrote to tell me they disagree and think implants are attractive... and sometimes I can't even be sure because the mail they've written is so inarticulate. (The total number of such messages written in proper English, so far, is about three.)"
48 Reasons Not to Get a Boob Job (http://www.paulkienitz.net/no-implants.html)

 ;D ;D ;D

On the preference issue:

"The news is bad for plastic surgeons - while Botox and silicone get pumped into female bodies by the tanker-load, it seems men prefer the natural look. Only 6 percent of men said they preferred Botox to wrinkles, while 69 percent deemed breast implants not sexy."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1621768/posts

"A poll for More magazine found that 85% of men aged 18 to 34 said that they hated plastic surgery and found it a 'complete turn-off' in women.

"The survey, which polled 1,600 men in the age-group across the UK, found that a further 15% claimed not to even notice women's cosmetic surgery.

"A spokeswoman for More magazine said: 'Women would be better off spending their money on new dress and shoes rather than fake breasts.'

"'They look at false cleavages but it is clear that it is a big turn off both sexually and in terms of forming a relationship. It seems as though women may have misjudged a lot of blokes.'"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1717402/posts

"66% of men prefer that their partners do not undergo plastic surgery."
http://www.epigee.org/polls/index1.html

On the illusion issue:

"Boob jobs are like stage makeup: they look good at a distance.  They look better on you from 50 feet than from 10 feet, better from 10 feet than from one foot, better in a photograph or video than in real life, and better with more clothing than they do with less.  They're at their worst when the distance is most intimate."
http://www.paulkienitz.net/no-implants.html

And, yes, for you Wonder Woman fanboys, they now offer titanium titties:

(http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2004/HEALTH/07/19/breast.implants/story.beforeafter.jpg)

German cosmetic surgeon has developed a new procedure for breast implantation using titanium. (http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/07/19/breast.implants/)
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Jeff S on August 07, 2007, 10:24:59 PM
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self absorbed, shallow and vain act?  Why?  Are you serious?

Are you serious that it's NOT?

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So you want a woman who does not care about how she looks?

No, not at all. I like women who pay attention to their appearance. My wife looks like a million dollars all the time. I just don't care for women who think that the way to look good is to mutilate their bodies with dangerous, invasive surgeries, and who value themselves by the size of their TITS. My wife is a B cup and it suits me fine. If her chest looked like Ray's picture, I would never have even considered marrying her.

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Why do you deny them a right to look good through the best available means?

I wouldn't deny anyone of anything. Hey if a 4' 11", 99 lb girl wants double Ds GO FOR IT. In fact it makes it easier to weed out the ones I have no interest in. It's like seeing a couple walking together when one of them is wearing a tee shirt that says "I'm with stupid." It automatically weeds out TWO people I don't have the slightest interest in meeting. 

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laughing at them when they are "strutting their stuff" is cruel


Now THAT's funny. You get an appreciation point for that.

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how can a woman effectively make her breasts bigger other than by implants?

Don't you get it? The main point of the conversation is, that some of us have no interest in her if she wants to. If her value of herself is determined by her breast size, it's OK. Some of us just have no interest in her - just the same way we have no interest in a man who values himself by his muscle or dick size. I laugh equally as hard as guys who pump up in the gym, join the hair club and strut their stuff on Balboa Island on a Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 07, 2007, 10:47:40 PM
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Please explain, you or anyone who posted before you, how can a woman effectively make her breasts bigger other than by implants?

WHY does she have to make them bigger?

ruso, you seem to hold the belief that size A cups on a woman are some kind of physical defect. Now I find that kind of thinking rather shallow.  :P

For all you shallow guys out there who think small boobs are ugly, here's a nice pair that are sure to turn you on. Now don't go drooling all over the screen...

(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/aybooba/fat-bastard-michael-moore-s.jpg)


Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 07, 2007, 11:25:59 PM
In response to responses...

Well, it is true that the natural looks is far better.  Also many women who get surgery either didn't really need it, or it was not done well.  I do agree that a woman with natural good sized breasts looks far better than an average woman with implants.  However, I don't think that an average woman with an A-cup and no ass looks particularly attractive either.  And implants are the best technology at this time.  As I have said before, I would never suggest to a woman to get them, nor even get them for a girl if she asks me for them.  However, if she already has them, and they are done well and in good proportion to her body, they cannot be a minus.

Regarding the argument that she should rather invest the money into education...  Let's see: she needs to study, then look for work, then work on that job, whereas if she looks really hot and plays her cards right she can attract a successful guy who will give her a good lifestyle and provide for their family.  Why is desiring the latter worse than desiring the former?  How is a woman not marrying a janitor at a "loss"?  Imagine how she would live, how their kids would live, what she will see and experience in her life.  Not a pretty picture. 

I don't at all think getting implants is something that should be encouraged.  In reality the shape and proportion are IMO more important than the water displacement.  But neither do I think that women should be condemned or disrespected for getting them.  Everyone wants to look better, and implants, as imperfect as they are, are the best technology available today.  Hopefully it will be supplanted by something drastically better.

Further, I did indeed say that if a girl is nice, but not physically attractive, I will not consider her for a girlfriend or a wife.  It is not shallow, it is NORMAL.  I want BOTH, not one or another.  And so do most men who are honest with themselves and comfortable with their masculinity.

Tastes differ, both individually and culturally.  Doombug presented a well-compiled survey from UK for example.  In the US implants are also a taboo culturally - and the responses in this thread are indicative of that.  It is really a cultural thing.  For example, in Russia one of the most important aspects of a woman's beauty, if not the most important one, is how straight and long her legs are.  Well, I personally could care less, as long as they are not too skinny and reach the floor, so to speak.  If I were raised in Russia and among Russian people though, I would most likely think different.  Besides, most women in Britain and Northern Europe seem to have big boobs naturally, so why would they need implants in the first place?
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: utopiacowboy on August 07, 2007, 11:50:46 PM
I don't know. I'm just not a tit man. Sure it's nice to have something to suck but I guess I got enough as a baby. A nice ass and legs are what I want. Each to his own.
Title: Re: Breast Implants - in response to Ray
Post by: michaelb on August 08, 2007, 12:24:42 AM
in response...
  Any empirical proof on that?



Well, I'd say doombug provided some pretty fair cases of empirical proof. Now, just to clarify, are we talking 'big vs small' or 'natural vs fake'? All things (personality, compatibility, education, intelligence, how she treats me and feels about me, you know, stupid little things like that) being equal, I'll take big natural, if you please, although I certainly wouldn't throw out small natural if the rest of the package (see previous parenethies) were right, but FAKE anything is a deal breaker.  I just says (to me anyway) "Look at ME! I'm cheap, tawdry and have low self esteem."
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Kiltboy1 on August 08, 2007, 05:35:55 AM
Just about every woman from Colombia I have talked to on a real personal level has admitted to me that she got Implants because of low self esteem brought on by abusive men always trying to control them,telling them that they could not find a man and are lucky to have him, ect. So, it is not a rare thing that these women try to look better for themselves so that a man cannot try to beat them down anymore. And to some extent it is a :KEEPING UP WITH THE JONESES" type mentality as well. There is so much pressure to be perfect in the Colombian and even more so in the Venezuelan society, that it  consumes these women more then anything else.I can take them or leave them and have no preference really . We have a saying here in the south " IF MAMA AIN'T HAPPY, THEN NOBODY'S HAPPY " So, whatever floats her boat as long as I am not footing the tab for those suckers, er , puppies, er, well, you guys get the jist .

KB
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 08, 2007, 07:55:41 AM
What I have studied and learned about Colombian women in general is that they are fanatics when it comes to their physical appearance, they almost make it a criteria and their central objective in life to have a sexy appearance, countless times I have taken young ladies to dinner and they refuse to eat bread , potatoes and anything fatting, its as almost as if there is a competion. Their life and opportunity to have a relationship depends on their physical appearance and ability to maintain one, they love clothing and blouse or jeans that enhance or argument their curvatures and breast, perhaps because the competition for men is so fierce but I agree they are very self conscious about their physical appearance especially when it comes to breast and curvatures and tiny waist line. Also it is to my understanding thet Medillin is the breast capital of world, they have the best cosmetic surgeons in the world and inexpensive about $700 , thats $350 a tit
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: soltero on August 08, 2007, 08:24:31 AM
Their life and opportunity to have a relationship depends on their physical appearance and ability to maintain one...

I have been reading this thread, and one thing that kept jumping into my thoughts as I was following the posts, is that I wasn't sure exactly what country guys were talking about. It seems like Ruso is coming from perhaps a Colombian perspective, and most others are coming from an American one. I am an "ass man" myself, so breasts are a nice bonus, but not all that important to me, but in Colombia, whether or not a girl eats may depend on the size of her tits. It is not the same as here, and you really have to take those differences into consideration when placing judgement. If we are talking about here in America, then I agree with Ray and company. If we are talking about Colombia, then I would have to agree with El Ruso.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Jeff S on August 08, 2007, 01:00:34 PM
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Just about every woman from Colombia I have talked to on a real personal level has admitted to me that she got Implants because of low self esteem brought on by abusive men always trying to control them,telling them that they could not find a man and are lucky to have him, ect. So, it is not a rare thing that these women try to look better for themselves so that a man cannot try to beat them down anymore.

Aha, now we're getting to the main point. Is a woman who has low self esteem because of abusive men were able to convince them that they were worthless without big tits, so were convinced to go through the expense and risk of an elective medical procedure, the kind of woman you want to marry? It isn't the kind I want to. This is not about breast size or looking good. It IS about self esteem.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: bad40 on August 08, 2007, 03:05:26 PM
colombia is unique in one respect; women of every look and design. if you're an ass man, cartagena/baranquilla/medellin; if you're a breast man, medellin; if you want elegance and sophistication, bogota; if you want spicy. cali. genetically colombian women don't have large breasts. in a market that is this competitive with women vying for attention, breasts represent one way to better compete with other women for the attention of men. i visit medellin regularly and for the most part, it is assumed that large breasts are fake. no stigma attached in this culture; either they have worked for them themselves or found a man to pay for them.

i dont't know about other colombian cities but there are only three types of women in medellin, those who have purchased breasts already, those that want to buy breasts and those that are too young or too old to care.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on August 08, 2007, 03:27:32 PM
What I have studied and learned about Colombian women in general is that they are fanatics when it comes to their physical appearance, they almost make it a criteria and their central objective in life to have a sexy appearance, countless times I have taken young ladies to dinner and they refuse to eat bread , potatoes and anything fatting, its as almost as if there is a competion. Their life and opportunity to have a relationship depends on their physical appearance and ability to maintain one, they love clothing and blouse or jeans that enhance or argument their curvatures and breast, perhaps because the competition for men is so fierce but I agree they are very self conscious about their physical appearance especially when it comes to breast and curvatures and tiny waist line. Also it is to my understanding thet Medillin is the breast capital of world, they have the best cosmetic surgeons in the world and inexpensive about $700 , thats $350 a tit


Ray,

 I don't know where you heard in Medellin top doctors are asking $700 for implants? Probably ones with no degrees as the implant itself must cost more than that! If you know the name of these doctors,perhaps I could start a business being middleman for gringas who want top notch breast jobs . I charge $2,500. Pay the doctor his $700 and keep the difference. jajaja
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 08, 2007, 09:27:19 PM
This argument has sidetracked a bit.  When I replied, it was about the reasons why a colombiana might want to get a breast job.  And then somehow some guys started arguing whether they like big tits or not, or whether or not she should have gotten education instead.

As far as the woman's body is concerned, I look first at ass and hips anyway, and if the girl has nice breasts to add to them, it's even better.  I think everyone would prefer a woman with large natural breasts, me including.  I am not sure if a girl with small breasts looks better than a girl with implants, either would not be ideal.  But I am amazed at how easy some guys condemn women for getting those implants or other surgery.  Colombian women indeed are very competitive when it comes to their appearance, and the product of that is how they dress and look.  Ray condemns it as "vain".  For me it is actually a major plus, because I want a woman who cares about her appearance.  Sometimes indeed they take this obsession too far, but getting implants is hardly more different than getting tan, or waxing, or braces for teeth, etc, except that it is more expensive and Ray does not approve of them.

I don't think anyone is specifically looking for a woman with implants, but it is silly to discount those women automatically since there are so many.  And it is indeed ridiculous and cruel to pass judgment on women who got those implants to give them an edge in finding a guy.  Education is usually not an edge in finding a guy, and absolutely so in Colombia.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 09, 2007, 12:45:21 AM


Ray,

I don't know where you heard in Medellin top doctors are asking $700 for implants?


And I have no idea where you heard me say that because I didn't.   (http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/signs044.gif)


Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 09, 2007, 02:01:43 AM
This argument has sidetracked a bit.  When I replied, it was about the reasons why a colombiana might want to get a breast job.  And then somehow some guys started arguing whether they like big tits or not, or whether or not she should have gotten education instead.

As far as the woman's body is concerned, I look first at ass and hips anyway, and if the girl has nice breasts to add to them, it's even better.  I think everyone would prefer a woman with large natural breasts, me including.  I am not sure if a girl with small breasts looks better than a girl with implants, either would not be ideal.  But I am amazed at how easy some guys condemn women for getting those implants or other surgery.  Colombian women indeed are very competitive when it comes to their appearance, and the product of that is how they dress and look.  Ray condemns it as "vain".  For me it is actually a major plus, because I want a woman who cares about her appearance.  Sometimes indeed they take this obsession too far, but getting implants is hardly more different than getting tan, or waxing, or braces for teeth, etc, except that it is more expensive and Ray does not approve of them.

I don't think anyone is specifically looking for a woman with implants, but it is silly to discount those women automatically since there are so many.  And it is indeed ridiculous and cruel to pass judgment on women who got those implants to give them an edge in finding a guy.  Education is usually not an edge in finding a guy, and absolutely so in Colombia.

ruso, I think you’re the one who got sidetracked a bit.  :D

If you are going to quote me, please try to get it right. I never used the word “vain”.  ???

You think it is silly to discount women who stuff their tits with silicone (or saline, or titanium(?)). Some of us think it’s silly to appreciate fake women with fake body parts. We aren’t “condemning” anyone, just rejecting them because of our own personal preferences. To each his own…

Why are you so concerned and amazed that I personally don’t approve of implants when they are done solely to attract men? So you like fake tits and I don’t. Learn to live with it.

Ruso, please stop with this silly nonsense that those of us who do not prefer breast implants are somehow “ridiculous and cruel”. To proclaim that anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinions is “ridiculous and cruel” is just plan ridiculous… (http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/basic/bleh.gif)


(http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/aybooba/b61fff3f.jpg)   Good luck lady!

Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 09, 2007, 07:18:19 AM
1. Me myself I am a booty and leg man, my girlfriend has very small breast, I always tease her and call them "mi pequaneno manis" or "my little peanuts", she related to me her desire for breast implants but I explained that I am not overly concerned about the size of her breast, I hate to stereotype but I explain to her that in America African American men appreciate or have a fetish for women "con grande trassero" or a Jenifer Lopez curvaceous shape. Now what she does have is some "junk in the trunk". I mean her booty is the answer to world hunger!, so in respect I am like Soletro when it comes to personal taste and preferences about womens physical attributes. Again I hate to type cast but I have notice and I will stand corrected if everyone disagrees but in "general" , I have had white men relate to me that they appreciate women that are skinny but with big breast but I say that with caution because I don't like stereotyping and I am open to rebuke or correction on this issue but in my liefs experience and communication with white friends in general this is what I remember related most to me, also as an agency owner when I ask the question what qualities or preferences do you prefer in a prototype of a young lady they usually disclose to me that their personal preference is for petite women with large breast but what ever size they are you should love cherish them the good book says; PROVERBS 5:18-19, "Let thy fountains be blessed, and rejoice with the wife of thy youth. Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breast satisfy thee at all times and be thou ravished always with her love".

2. Now earlier someone made a conjecture that Amor De Cartagena has women that have breast implantation's and as the manager, I have too take these allegations very serious, so what I propose to this forum, is that me and some of our loyal board members form a "breast implantation integrity to committee", we will then all go to Cartagena and conduct an extensive "hands on investigation", of course the scope and objective of this empirical investigation is in the best interest of unsuspecting customers and will help us to eliminate fraudulence in our agency. Those women found to have falsies must include this in their profile and have a "plastic tit" stamp placed over their photo and be moved to the back of the galleries, I am an agency owner that firmly believes in taking aggressive action in a situation and dilemma with this magnitude of concern and importance!



Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: sean126 on August 09, 2007, 07:51:21 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL :D :D :D
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: RJS on August 09, 2007, 10:18:45 AM
Question: All this talk about colombia, but what about other LA countries? Do women in Peru have the same obession with beauty and looking good for their man, not only when they're looking, but after they're married as well?

Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on August 09, 2007, 11:17:31 AM
And I have no idea where you heard me say that because I didn't.   (http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/signs044.gif)




  Oops sorry Ray,  It was Mark Anthony. Where he gets his info from I wonder? mark Anthony, you gotta stop listening to what these girls tell you. Top docs there cost much  less than here, but much more than $700 for implants,unless they are getting the implants for free and that's still very low for a really good doctor. the girls just don't want to let you know they spend 6 months salary on their boobs. Also that means all their salary. No food,roof over their heads or anything. That is of course unless they got some guy to pay for them which brings about a great point. If you don't care about breast implants and SHE still wants them, why are you gulluible enough to pay for them anyway so the next guy gets to enjoy them?

   Unless a woman's breast is really messed up through childbirth or whatever she is smareter to stay natural because her health should matter to her too.

  I mean they have pec implants,arm implants,dikk implants,butt implants for men too. But damn,what sort of women would appreciate that sort of vanity in her guy? Women love men who look strong and can protect them, but that's going overboard . Do it naturally. People are getting totally ridiculous with the surgeries and are risking their lives to look good.

   I bet many latinas after being objectified by men in this way have a bit of resentment towards men. Probably why they expect men to pay for everything.I mean to have to mutilate your body in order to compete in a society where men will cheat on you anyway  no matter how much you are willing to suffer for beauty must take its toll mentally. To boot the men are not shy about lowering the women's self esteem by picking out your body parts,or openly admiring other women's body parts. False self esteem is aquired not by using your brains, but by what you can attract with your body.  Unfortunately, many of these women have no choice but to use their bodies to compete for economic security. But unfortunately, these women always lose out in the end because most of the guys who can take care of them economically will dissapear one day for a newer ,younger model.So they end up 40 and alone, but with kids they need to support,so they usually end up living at home with parents to help raise the kids ,unless she is very lucky and has a good job.


I've even noticed latinos will compliment a little 3 year old and use the word "sexy" in describing her or whistle when they see her in a cute outfit. Some things about the latin culture freak me out. They even have versions of high heels and short skirts for these kids so they can look like mom. Sometimes in Miami I will see a little girl walking around with her parents looking like a small adult with low rise pants and short shirt. It starts when they are little.

   I do believe however Peru,Chile are much more conservative.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 09, 2007, 11:27:17 AM
Remember were taliking Colombia, this forum always discusses men traveling to Colombia seeking romance and dating beautiful women but what I discovered more than anything, is that people travel to Colombia for all sorts of medical and dental issues because the cost is so much less than the counter part American, trust me when I say this, I am also considering placing health forum on my new website, with a list of doctors and dentist for a variety of medical procedures, I can ask my local friends again but this was the going rate the last time I discussed it, I have a good doctor friend I can ask about cost, I had a good friend from Los Angeles that got lypo suction for a fraction of the cost in America, its real cheap!
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: el_ruso on August 09, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
Ray,

I apologized if I misquoted you, which was not my intention.  I was referring to what was said by Jeff, and since the gist of yours and his posts were similar, I got you guys confused.  I apologize.

I have no issue with you not liking breast implants.  I never said that I particularly like them.  I did say that I don't mind them, and inasmuch as they are subpar to the real ones, they are in many cases an improvement for women with not tits at all.  But again that is my opinion, and I don't insist everyone shares it.

What I did object to, was condemning women who get those implants, or laughing at them etc, when all they do is obtain a cosmetic procedure which in their opinion improves upon their natural looks.

Further, why is it wrong per se for a woman to do something 'just to attract men'?  (or for a guy to do something 'just to attract women')? 
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Jeff S on August 09, 2007, 06:43:47 PM
You're right, it was me that used the term "vanity."

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Further, why is it wrong per se for a woman to do something 'just to attract men'?  (or for a guy to do something 'just to attract women')?

Again you miss the point completely. As I have said repeatedly, there is nothing wrong with a woman using any kind of bait she wishes. If a she want's double Ds, a bolt in her tongue, pink hair, nipple rings, tatoos of swastikas, or any other body ornamentation - it's fine with me.

There is a waitress in a local combo breakfast place & bar on Pacific Coast Highway near my house who always wears incredibly low rise jeans and short tops that barely cover her breasts. Tatooed on her lower abdomen are wildly colored flames emitting from the bottom of the lower abdomem She displays it proudly (actually I think she used to be an exotic dancer.) Does it attract men, you betcha. All linds of scruffy guys park their harley's outside and slowly eat their steak and eggs while they suck down bloody marys and chat with her trying to get her attention. She makes all sorts of money in tips, I'm certain. Is there anything wrong with that? Absolutely not.

The point I have been trying to make - is that if a woman wants to attract ME, she better not have tatooed flames coming out of her crotch showing the world that she's incredibly hot "down there." She also better not have an overstuffed, rock hard bolt-on chest. These are not qualities that make good wife material for me. If you like it, fine, go for it.

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What I did object to, was condemning women who get those implants, or laughing at them

I certainly don't run up to these women and say, "neaner, neaner, neaner, you got plastic titties," and run away laughing. What I said was:

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It takes a lot of will power to not burst out laughing when I see them strutting their stuff.

Who condemned them? Go ahead and quote comments where either Ray or I CONDEMNED them. What, do we suddenly have police powers to toss them in jail or decide on the fate of their souls? Who are YOU to object about what I think?  I could care less that some anonomous poster on the internet objects to me thinking extensive plastic surgery chasing some physical standard of beauty is stupid, and that the person doing it is shallow and vain.



Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: Ray on August 09, 2007, 06:59:08 PM

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Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 10, 2007, 10:32:54 AM
BLOCK buster, I don't think I was stating that it was advantageous or a disadvantage to have plastic or cosmetic surgery, I was referencing the objective behind why they do it, I stated my girl friends breast were not large and it did not matter to me, she was self concious about her appearance, I told her I love her and her little peanuts! I agree with some things you are relating too but it is an individual choice, everyones diffrent, example I am starting to thin on the top of my head, I am not bald but I am going to have hair restoration done in another month, you cant fault a person if this elevates their self esteem, to each his own
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: BogotaJim on August 10, 2007, 07:49:46 PM
Hey Mark ! I almost chocked when you declared that breast implants can be had in Colombia for $700 .  I have 5 plastic surgeons in Bogota who do these surguries for my clients and my cost is about $2000 (www.medical-tourism-colombia.com ).  Only a butcher with no medical license would perform this surgery for $700- you will lose credibility when you give out such inaccurate information.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: blockbuster on August 10, 2007, 08:28:23 PM
 I think Mark just repeats what the girls tell him because he trust them. Regardless $2,000 is a pretty high price for women who hardly earn much or even have a job.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 11, 2007, 06:57:28 AM
I do have a friend in Cartagena that is a surgeon I will consult with him, also I would like to elaborate a little more on the price of medical surgeries and medical procedures in Colombia in comparison to America there is a vast disparity because the economy is so poor, I have a doctor friend that quit his practice and does rentals now because there just is no money in this profession like their counter part American doctors, most Colombians don't have insurance because it is a two tier society, we cry about our insurance situation in America, believe me you don't know the have of it!, you go to Colombia and you will have some thing to cry about!, I have friends that are teachers and they have not been paid for months!, so the economically low prices with regard to everything is the financial incentive that compels us to go to these countries to live and take advantage of the lower economy, I mean you are talking to a a person that bought an Ocean view, beach front property for $15,000! go figure
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: daytrader on August 11, 2007, 07:26:22 AM
Hey Mark ! I almost chocked when you declared that breast implants can be had in Colombia for $700 .  I have 5 plastic surgeons in Bogota who do these surguries for my clients and my cost is about $2000 (www.medical-tourism-colombia.com ).  Only a butcher with no medical license would perform this surgery for $700- you will lose credibility when you give out such inaccurate information.

...Mark is right Jim,....Mark's key executive, Luis will do breast implants for $700!.....not sure about the moneyback guarantee, however. 

DayTrader

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Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: RJS on August 11, 2007, 09:35:01 AM
That's just wrong, DT.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: daytrader on August 11, 2007, 10:06:46 AM
That's just wrong, DT.

yo RJS, it's a joke   :D     [sigh]

DayTrader
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: RJS on August 11, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
i know but it was gross. =/
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: markanthony7 on August 11, 2007, 04:49:58 PM
Another consideration is that maybe this is the "Colombian price", they could have been completely truthful, what I have noticed about Colombian economy and trade is that they have a "price for Colombians" and they have a "price for Gringos", I no its a double standard but this is indicative of their culture and common practice, Likewise I have noticed that what is inexpensive to us, is a windfall to them, I remember when I purchased my Condo, the prior owner felt like he hit the lottery! and I felt like I made out like a bandit!, so the perception and value of money is diverse to Colombians and Americans, the website you referenced in Bogota is probably true but those prices are adjusted to market American clientele "Gringos standards" but even at $2,000 thats inexpensive or very reasonable to us
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: RJS on August 12, 2007, 05:05:32 AM
Frankly, bargain shopping for cosmetic surgery is pretty stupid. There's so much that can go wrong and a poorly executed jobs is going to leave you looking pretty bad.
Title: Re: Breast Implants
Post by: SocialDreg on August 12, 2007, 05:53:21 PM
To each his own....A friend had breast implants in cali recently for 2000USD.. It appears to be a good job. there was a story on the news here that a girl paid someone 50,000 pesos to have one!!!   She has all kinds of problems.  Make sure the doctor is certified to do plastic surgery.  In Cali they don't have to be.