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Latin International Dating Forums => Latin -> General discussion => Topic started by: Elexpatriado on January 20, 2016, 04:26:55 PM
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A few girls I have met (well actually quite a few) I keep corresponding with by "WhatsApp". Just as "friends" (because I have had a girlfriend for a while), and as the infamous member on here once says "the monkey likes to have a hand on the banana in the next tree, even when he's eating his own Banana). Lesson I learned while living here. never take anything for granted.
Well some of them (mostly from Medellin) have fotos with themselves and guys in the foto. A couple even posted "Yo amo mi Novio" messages on their WhatsApp page.
But strangely, immediately after I send them a message, they delete the foto with the guy and put up an innocuous foto of themselves, or themselves with their kid, or sister, or whatever.
And to top it off , they then ask me "cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do these girls think we are that dumb or what? LOL
The first time this happened a year or two ago, it was a girl from Pereira who visited me in Manizales, and told me she found me attractive and wanted a serious relation (yeah..really quickly).
Well I kept corresponding with her and a week or two later saw a picture of her with a guy in the foto. I never mentioned it, and we chatted, and then she asked me "cuando vas a venir a Pereira?" I didnt answer right away, but asked her if that was her Novio in the foto. She didn't lie, came up right away and admitted it.
I then said , well why the hell was she chatting with another guy (me) , and inviting him to visit her ? This was very disrespectful to her supposed "Novio"..and this was typical of the girls from Pereira who had this "Bad" reputation..
Well she proceeded to give me a piece of her mind , defended her self and Pereira women , sent me some red angry faces like this but real red >:( >:( (I used to get these from Chicas all the time LOL) and blocked me on WhatsApp ..ja.ja.
Anyway..Flash ahead to present day.. I am a lot more mellow and less "Intenso" and when I see this kind of things in WhatsApp, unless its a girl I am really into, just laff a bit and let it slide..
But still what about these few girls (maybe 3 or 4 ,mostly from Medellin) who post pictures of guys, and when I send them a message, they delete the profile foto and ask me , "when are you coming to Medellin?"
There is even one who posted herself with a gringo , and before he came posted "I love my Novio" with an airplane and all that, and then after he left , had a normal foto, and when I sent her a message, she asked "Cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do you think these guys know their "Novias" are cavorting with gringos by WhatsApp, and occasionally meeting face to face? I am sure the Colombianos don't mind, as long as they are getting a piece of A$$, heck maybe they even think they can get some financial benefit out of her dating a gringo.
But what about the gringo in the long distance relation? Flying all the way to Medellin, maybe sending her money, put his heart into the relationship (maybe). Do you think he minds if she is dating other gringos? If she is talking to and dating other Gringos, what do you think happens with her and the local barrio boys?
Maybe the guy is one of the guys that follows this forum......who knows?''?
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Interesting stuff expat. How did you meet these girls, ccupid?
Why don't you tell us about your current girlfriend? How did you guys meet and what's kept the relationship going so long compared to your many other novias?
And yes CP would probably be the one who could shed the most light on the subject. The more I read this forum and the more I hang out in Colombia, the more I realize how much I don't understand Colombian women. All I can say is stick to women who have a good job and seem professional and respectable. This last time I was in Colombia I was hanging around girls who had lower paying jobs, like working in clothing stores, hair products stores, hotel cleaning, and "confecciones" which is operating a sewing machine at a textile factory. These girls and their friends are the ones who I noticed would hook up with a new boyfriend and right away he'd be living with her in her family home. Not all of them but more than just 2 or 3. Also these girls I was hanging out with lived in lower strata barrios like Aranjuez, Bello, Castilla, and Santo Domingo.
[/size]I had this one guy who worked at the Tigo store in the shopping mall who was being real friendly with me talking about sports and he seemed like he wanted to hang out with me(no homo). I regret not getting his phone number and hanging out with him because I saw at least 5 of his female co-workers who I'd love to date. That was a perfect opportunity for me to meet some nice, hot, clean, respectable girls. When I go back to Medellin I'm going to make it a point to go back to that store and make friends with that guy.
Another thing is if you're living in Colombia try to leave the cupid sites completely alone. I'm sure there are plenty of great women on ccupid but, as you already know, meeting women through mutual friends and acquaintances is much better. For example if you have a buddy who's an accountant and his wife is a real estate agent they're probably not going to introduce you to some chimbita who has a different barrio boy novio every month.
Not to be rude but it seems like for whatever reason you seem to attract only women of low character expat. I think the key for you would be to make friends with more professional types and only date women who move around those social circles. But maybe you've figured that out already since you finally have a steady girlfriend.
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many have so called " novios" in their barrios but if something better comes along, they will grab it, if its worth it to them, hence " they don't let go of one branch until they have a grasp of the next"
many use whatsapp and skype for " work" if you get my point. lol
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This only serves as light entertainment and to get some people thinking.....
Note I only said a "Few" women I have met are like this , and am not trying to make generalizations, by any means
And as I have stated before, you can find good and bad in either the rich or poor Colombianas.
The girl with the Gringo boyfriend lived in Envigado, which as you know, is one of the better barrios.
Interesting stuff expat. How did you meet these girls, ccupid?
Why don't you tell us about your current girlfriend? How did you guys meet and what's kept the relationship going so long compared to your many other novias?
And yes CP would probably be the one who could shed the most light on the subject. The more I read this forum and the more I hang out in Colombia, the more I realize how much I don't understand Colombian women. All I can say is stick to women who have a good job and seem professional and respectable. This last time I was in Colombia I was hanging around girls who had lower paying jobs, like working in clothing stores, hair products stores, hotel cleaning, and "confecciones" which is operating a sewing machine at a textile factory. These girls and their friends are the ones who I noticed would hook up with a new boyfriend and right away he'd be living with her in her family home. Not all of them but more than just 2 or 3. Also these girls I was hanging out with lived in lower strata barrios like Aranjuez, Bello, Castilla, and Santo Domingo.
I had this one guy who worked at the Tigo store in the shopping mall who was being real friendly with me talking about sports and he seemed like he wanted to hang out with me(no homo). I regret not getting his phone number and hanging out with him because I saw at least 5 of his female co-workers who I'd love to date. That was a perfect opportunity for me to meet some nice, hot, clean, respectable girls. When I go back to Medellin I'm going to make it a point to go back to that store and make friends with that guy.
Another thing is if you're living in Colombia try to leave the cupid sites completely alone. I'm sure there are plenty of great women on ccupid but, as you already know, meeting women through mutual friends and acquaintances is much better. For example if you have a buddy who's an accountant and his wife is a real estate agent they're probably not going to introduce you to some chimbita who has a different barrio boy novio every month.
Not to be rude but it seems like for whatever reason you seem to attract only women of low character expat. I think the key for you would be to make friends with more professional types and only date women who move around those social circles. But maybe you've figured that out already since you finally have a steady girlfriend.
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No these girls werent the latter type..all had steady jobs and hard working. I think the former explanation is better.
Though I really wonder about the girl with a gringo boyfriend who posted her platitudes mof love, but was asking me when I was coming to Medellin.
But then maybe she was just interested on a "friendly" basis. Maybe I am reading too much into this.
many have so called " novios" in their barrios but if something better comes along, they will grab it, if its worth it to them, hence " they don't let go of one branch until they have a grasp of the next"
many use whatsapp and skype for " work" if you get my point. lol
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It's just like fishing. Read the water--the surface. Then you have to have the right equipment and bait to first attract and catch that 'certain' kind of fish. Then you have know the depth----top, middle or bottom to place the bait for that certain type, then when you get a bite, you have to know how and when to set the hook and how much line to let run out before you start cautiously reeling in. Some fish you have to let run a bit to see what you're really dealing with, others you need to keep the line pretty tight from the start. Then it's either keep or catch and release.....
Don't forget to correctly set the 'drag' on the reel for what you're hoping to catch, a common rookie mistake. If you're good, you might get one more chance to adjust the drag after you've set the hook on a real 'keeper'----but the best are pretty unforgiving.
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I think you're reading too much into it. I have a buddy who's dating a nice girl who treats him like a king, but he's told me and I know that he's looking for something better, or what he thinks is better.
I don't think it's a Colombian thing. Most people who aren't married and settled down would leave whoever they're with if something better came along.
I know a gringa who has a crush on me but I never went for her so she settled for a buddy of mine who's a little bit chubby and kind of nerdy. I hate to say it but I'm pretty sure she's just with the guy because she doesn't want to be alone and she feels like she can't do any better at this point in time. I'm almost certain that she wouldn't turn down a more handsome, higher paid guy if one were to come along and express interest in her.
I wouldn't be surprised if ALL women on ccupid have a Colombian novio, and some probably even have a part-time long-distance gringo novio, or maybe more than one. The thing is she's still on the market so obviously whoever she has now isn't satisfying her enough that she's ready to totally stop looking for something better.
Like CP would probably say, you're worried about the wrong things. Instead focus on how she treats YOU and when she feels like she's got a keeper and she feels like you're worthy the other guys will naturally fall by the wayside.
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It's just like fishing. Read the water--the surface. Then you have to have the right equipment and bait to first attract and catch that 'certain' kind of fish. Then you have know the depth----top, middle or bottom to place the bait for that certain type, then when you get a bite, you have to know how and when to set the hook and how much line to let run out before you start cautiously reeling in. Some fish you have to let run a bit to see what you're really dealing with, others you need to keep the line pretty tight from the start. Then it's either keep or catch and release.....
Don't forget to correctly set the 'drag' on the reel for what you're hoping to catch, a common rookie mistake. If you're good, you might get one more chance to adjust the drag after you've set the hook on a real 'keeper'----but the best are pretty unforgiving.
Robert I guess I like fishing too much. I got totally lost in this metaphor trying to pick up on some good advice!!! LMAO!!!
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So expat are you going to tell us about your novia or not? And are you going to tell us how you met all of these whatsapp game playing chicas?
I'm curious about something expat. You live in Colombia, do you even have an Colombian friends? I don't see how you could've been in Colombia this long and no good decent people have tried to hook you up with a nice, decent, quality lady. Do you just stay in your house all day long spamming every single girl on colombiancupid ages 18-21? Is that the extent of your social life?
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Robert I guess I like fishing too much. I got totally lost in this metaphor trying to pick up on some good advice!!! LMAO!!!
If that's so----I forgot something very critical. The retrieve---bringing home the prize. Again like male-female relationships, generally, the best fish don't hit a stationary, sedentary lure/bait, usually not something sitting on the bottom. Anyway, you can figure what bottom feeders eat--yuck--other than maybe a fluke or a flounder, which mostly eat safe plankton and small fish, skip them. But you've got to work the retrieve at the right pace---not too fast, sometimes intermittently, even jerking it, moving it. Action & motion drives em crazy. A slow, intermittent retrieve of a jig artificial lure or live minnow/ballyhoo using a jig setup up correctly (2 hook rig in salt water) will drive fresh and salt water fish nuts!!!
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If that's so----I forgot something very critical. The retrieve---bringing home the prize. Again like male-female relationships, generally, the best fish don't hit a stationary, sedentary lure/bait, usually not something sitting on the bottom. Anyway, you can figure what bottom feeders eat--yuck--other than maybe a fluke or a flounder, which mostly eat safe plankton and small fish, skip them. But you've got to work the retrieve at the right pace---not too fast, sometimes intermittently, even jerking it, moving it. Action & motion drives em crazy. A slow, intermittent retrieve of a jig artificial lure or live minnow/ballyhoo using a jig setup up correctly (2 hook rig in salt water) will drive fresh and salt water fish nuts!!!
Okay...not to derail this thread but you and me gotta go fishing!!!! I've been hankering for some of themat Peacock Bass in Manaus!!!
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I have two questions.
1. So the gringo is getting milked like a cow. Why should we care? As they say in Colombia no dar papaya and the guy is giving papaya big time.
2. Who cares what the chick is doing? Women are like buses - there's another one coming along every couple of minutes. I don't spend one nano second worrying what my wife is doing or not doing but she spends a helluva lot of time wondering what I am up to. Which is exactly how it should be.
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A few girls I have met (well actually quite a few) I keep corresponding with by "WhatsApp". Just as "friends" (because I have had a girlfriend for a while), and as the infamous member on here once says "the monkey likes to have a hand on the banana in the next tree, even when he's eating his own Banana). Lesson I learned while living here. never take anything for granted.
Well some of them (mostly from Medellin) have fotos with themselves and guys in the foto. A couple even posted "Yo amo mi Novio" messages on their WhatsApp page.
But strangely, immediately after I send them a message, they delete the foto with the guy and put up an innocuous foto of themselves, or themselves with their kid, or sister, or whatever.
And to top it off , they then ask me "cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Since you live in Manizales and not Medellin, I assume you are meeting these women on Colombian Cupid or another online dating site? Or did you meet them in person on prior visits there?
My guess is they are: 1) making sure they keep you as an option/friend in case their current relationship falls apart or 2) trying to trade up immediately to an in country gringo who might seem exotic to them and/or offer financial stability or cash/gifts.
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A few girls I have met (well actually quite a few) I keep corresponding with by "WhatsApp". Just as "friends" (because I have had a girlfriend for a while), and as the infamous member on here once says "the monkey likes to have a hand on the banana in the next tree, even when he's eating his own Banana). Lesson I learned while living here. never take anything for granted.
Well some of them (mostly from Medellin) have fotos with themselves and guys in the foto. A couple even posted "Yo amo mi Novio" messages on their WhatsApp page.
But strangely, immediately after I send them a message, they delete the foto with the guy and put up an innocuous foto of themselves, or themselves with their kid, or sister, or whatever.
And to top it off , they then ask me "cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do these girls think we are that dumb or what? LOL
The first time this happened a year or two ago, it was a girl from Pereira who visited me in Manizales, and told me she found me attractive and wanted a serious relation (yeah..really quickly).
Well I kept corresponding with her and a week or two later saw a picture of her with a guy in the foto. I never mentioned it, and we chatted, and then she asked me "cuando vas a venir a Pereira?" I didnt answer right away, but asked her if that was her Novio in the foto. She didn't lie, came up right away and admitted it.
I then said , well why the hell was she chatting with another guy (me) , and inviting him to visit her ? This was very disrespectful to her supposed "Novio"..and this was typical of the girls from Pereira who had this "Bad" reputation..
Well she proceeded to give me a piece of her mind , defended her self and Pereira women , sent me some red angry faces like this but real red >:( >:( (I used to get these from Chicas all the time LOL) and blocked me on WhatsApp ..ja.ja.
Anyway..Flash ahead to present day.. I am a lot more mellow and less "Intenso" and when I see this kind of things in WhatsApp, unless its a girl I am really into, just laff a bit and let it slide..
But still what about these few girls (maybe 3 or 4 ,mostly from Medellin) who post pictures of guys, and when I send them a message, they delete the profile foto and ask me , "when are you coming to Medellin?"
There is even one who posted herself with a gringo , and before he came posted "I love my Novio" with an airplane and all that, and then after he left , had a normal foto, and when I sent her a message, she asked "Cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do you think these guys know their "Novias" are cavorting with gringos by WhatsApp, and occasionally meeting face to face? I am sure the Colombianos don't mind, as long as they are getting a piece of A$$, heck maybe they even think they can get some financial benefit out of her dating a gringo.
But what about the gringo in the long distance relation? Flying all the way to Medellin, maybe sending her money, put his heart into the relationship (maybe). Do you think he minds if she is dating other gringos? If she is talking to and dating other Gringos, what do you think happens with her and the local barrio boys?
Maybe the guy is one of the guys that follows this forum......who knows?''?
Dude, gringas also keep their options open. They are just much better at covering their tracks. Colombianas' manipulations are so much easier to read than gringas and that's part of why we love them. This thread says more about you than about them. You so often focus on the negative. Your negativity towards Colombianas must be holding you back, I have to imagine...
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A few girls I have met (well actually quite a few) I keep corresponding with by "WhatsApp". Just as "friends" (because I have had a girlfriend for a while), and as the infamous member on here once says "the monkey likes to have a hand on the banana in the next tree, even when he's eating his own Banana). Lesson I learned while living here. never take anything for granted.
Well some of them (mostly from Medellin) have fotos with themselves and guys in the foto. A couple even posted "Yo amo mi Novio" messages on their WhatsApp page.
But strangely, immediately after I send them a message, they delete the foto with the guy and put up an innocuous foto of themselves, or themselves with their kid, or sister, or whatever.
And to top it off , they then ask me "cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do these girls think we are that dumb or what? LOL
The first time this happened a year or two ago, it was a girl from Pereira who visited me in Manizales, and told me she found me attractive and wanted a serious relation (yeah..really quickly).
Well I kept corresponding with her and a week or two later saw a picture of her with a guy in the foto. I never mentioned it, and we chatted, and then she asked me "cuando vas a venir a Pereira?" I didnt answer right away, but asked her if that was her Novio in the foto. She didn't lie, came up right away and admitted it.
I then said , well why the hell was she chatting with another guy (me) , and inviting him to visit her ? This was very disrespectful to her supposed "Novio"..and this was typical of the girls from Pereira who had this "Bad" reputation..
Well she proceeded to give me a piece of her mind , defended her self and Pereira women , sent me some red angry faces like this but real red >:( >:( (I used to get these from Chicas all the time LOL) and blocked me on WhatsApp ..ja.ja.
Anyway..Flash ahead to present day.. I am a lot more mellow and less "Intenso" and when I see this kind of things in WhatsApp, unless its a girl I am really into, just laff a bit and let it slide..
But still what about these few girls (maybe 3 or 4 ,mostly from Medellin) who post pictures of guys, and when I send them a message, they delete the profile foto and ask me , "when are you coming to Medellin?"
There is even one who posted herself with a gringo , and before he came posted "I love my Novio" with an airplane and all that, and then after he left , had a normal foto, and when I sent her a message, she asked "Cuando vas a venir a Medellin?"
Do you think these guys know their "Novias" are cavorting with gringos by WhatsApp, and occasionally meeting face to face? I am sure the Colombianos don't mind, as long as they are getting a piece of A$$, heck maybe they even think they can get some financial benefit out of her dating a gringo.
But what about the gringo in the long distance relation? Flying all the way to Medellin, maybe sending her money, put his heart into the relationship (maybe). Do you think he minds if she is dating other gringos? If she is talking to and dating other Gringos, what do you think happens with her and the local barrio boys?
Maybe the guy is one of the guys that follows this forum......who knows?''?
It's these kinds of posts that make me wonder if you really live in Colombia.
There are no really hot young women in Colombia without children that are single in the sense that they don't have anything going on with someone.....just the way it is. They call them novios but they aren't really anything more than someone to spend time with.
Any girl that is faithful to you is either just madly in love with you (spends every waking moment with you or is calling every moment you are away from her). Or you have the right combination of looks and money and you have committed to her.....you live with her or have put a ring on her finger with definite plans for a future together.
It's not bad being a novio.....enjoyable quality time spent together (great sex).....but if someone comes along with a serious offer for a long term future with your girl.....you can be kicked to the curb with very little notice.....happened to me a few months ago.
Guys that are sending women money without a serious laid out plan to move in with her or get married or get her a visa are crazy......you can't pay young hot women to stay home.....not going to happen. Only thing that will hold them back is if they are crazy in love with you..... or you have made a very serious commitment to them that they can see with their own eyes.
" El amor de lejos...es para los pendejos"
When I was living with my last girlfriend in Cali....I met a chick that I liked a lot that had a boyfriend.....I went out with her a few times and would have liked to have gotten more serious with her but she balked.....I told her she had a novio and I had a novia but we could still go out and see each other.....she told me "novia...I'm not worried about a novia....but you don't have a novia....you have a mujer....you live with her".
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I gave up my membership in those sites a long time ago.These girls are mostly old contacts.
But I admit do spend to much time on this and other sites.
Actually, I spend an awful lot of time travelling around and outside Colombia. I have been to more places in Colombia than 99% of Colombians.I could make travelogues that put KAIs and Andy Lees travelogues to shame if I wanted to, but I am too lazy to document these things. Plus I would need Andy's writing/editing skills and KAIS software technical skills to help me do a professional product. Too lazy for all that.
Yes obviously I have Colombian friends.My best friend has even introduced me to a few girls.here.
Right now I am still recovering from food poisoning I got on my last trip, so I am wasting a Little time making a post on this site.
As far as my girlfriend...lets just say there are some things I like not to share personal details about on a public site. I think people can respect that.
So expat are you going to tell us about your novia or not? And are you going to tell us how you met all of these whatsapp game playing chicas?
I'm curious about something expat. You live in Colombia, do you even have an Colombian friends? I don't see how you could've been in Colombia this long and no good decent people have tried to hook you up with a nice, decent, quality lady. Do you just stay in your house all day long spamming every single girl on colombiancupid ages 18-21? Is that the extent of your social life?
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Hey whatever I post, certain people here are going to take it negatively and turn it into a personal attack. I am used to it, thats Okay.
Like I said, only for light entertainment and food for thought.
I really dont get excited by any of this or see anything negative in whats happening. Just some interesting obserrvations to stir things up a bit.
But I do wonder about the girl with the Gringo boyfriend. Maybe he doesnt care . Maybe he has gals in several countrys..
Dude, gringas also keep their options open. They are just much better at covering their tracks. Colombianas' manipulations are so much easier to read than gringas and that's part of why we love them. This thread says more about you than about them. You so often focus on the negative. Your negativity towards Colombianas must be holding you back, I have to imagine...
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Since you live in Manizales and not Medellin, I assume you are meeting these women on Colombian Cupid or another online dating site? Or did you meet them in person on prior visits there?
My guess is they are: 1) making sure they keep you as an option/friend in case their current relationship falls apart or 2) trying to trade up immediately to an in country gringo who might seem exotic to them and/or offer financial stability or cash/gifts.
Both CC and LAC and previous contacts I have met there hanging around. I lieved in Medellin for a couple years off and on.
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I have two questions.
1. So the gringo is getting milked like a cow. Why should we care? As they say in Colombia no dar papaya and the guy is giving papaya big time.
2. Who cares what the chick is doing? Women are like buses - there's another one coming along every couple of minutes. I don't spend one nano second worrying what my wife is doing or not doing but she spends a helluva lot of time wondering what I am up to. Which is exactly how it should be.
Don't take this the wrong way, utopia, Elex' gf's have no reason in the world to worry what he is up to, him dating young, attractive women, no kids, those kind of women don't get a headache whether Elex worries about them or not, they just go on to the next 'victim', lol.
In your case however, a middle aged woman with 4 kids, and having a great stepfather for her kids, I imagine having gone through some serious disappointments and infidelity in the past, sure she worries how you feel about her and if you may wander off one of these days.
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Hey man,come on. of course I know all that, like you said , a woman is not your women until you are shacked up with her and in a serious relation. A relacion de lejos es una relacion de pendejos (or feliz para cuatro). I sure dont expect these women not to have "novios" or "amigos especiales" and be waiting around like nuns for the right guy to come along. Well, maybe some of the girls do, some of the time ..
But still, funny the way they change their WhatsApp foto when I send them a message. I only know one who is 100% honest about it, and has told me about her two Novios she has had in the past 6 months.
I wouldnt put a girls foto in my WhatsApp profile, or FaceBook profile , and post all this stuff about "Yo amo Mi Novia" until we were 100% commited , serious relationship.
Maybe thats just a cultural difference. Or just personality differences of some people.
And I wonder about the gringo. But maybe he has several in different cities and countries, who knows?
Anyway, just some light entertainment. Nothing irksome or bothersome.
It's these kinds of posts that make me wonder if you really live in Colombia.
There are no really hot young women in Colombia without children that are single in the sense that they don't have anything going on with someone.....just the way it is. They call them novios but they aren't really anything more than someone to spend time with.
Any girl that is faithful to you is either just madly in love with you (spends every waking moment with you or is calling every moment you are away from her). Or you have the right combination of looks and money and you have committed to her.....you live with her or have put a ring on her finger with definite plans for a future together.
It's not bad being a novio.....enjoyable quality time spent together (great sex).....but if someone comes along with a serious offer for a long term future with your girl.....you can be kicked to the curb with very little notice.....happened to me a few months ago.
Guys that are sending women money without a serious laid out plan to move in with her or get married or get her a visa are crazy......you can't pay young hot women to stay home.....not going to happen. Only thing that will hold them back is if they are crazy in love with you..... or you have made a very serious commitment to them that they can see with their own eyes.
" El amor de lejos...es para los pendejos"
When I was living with my last girlfriend in Cali....I met a chick that I liked a lot that had a boyfriend.....I went out with her a few times and would have liked to have gotten more serious with her but she balked.....I told her she had a novio and I had a novia but we could still go out and see each other.....she told me "novia...I'm not worried about a novia....but you don't have a novia....you have a mujer....you live with her".
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My two cents on the subject of Colombian women, it is impossible to generalize even though the great majority of them want a child or two and if they don't already have them they are going to want them. It's an extremely strong drive for them to have their 'negrito', (an endearing term in Colombia.)
Apart from this they want economic security, having seen poverty all around them for their entire life, except for the estrato 6 girls who turned up their noses at this problem.
They want a reliable, decent guy who accepts their culture, food, music, salsa soccer games and being attached to the family and a satisfactory sex life.
If she has a boy and you are unhappy about the way he is raised she expects you to accept him the way he is and not critizise him. (there are exceptions).
Her mom is sacred to her, do not ignore or ever critizise her mom.
If you take her out of her country she expects regular trips home to see her family, like twice a year, even if there is a posibility she is running into an old bf, yeah.
She doesn't want to be cut off from the Colombian community in her new country even though there is always a posibility that she could be admired by someone who speaks her language and knows her culture in and out, is more charming then her gringo husband, better looking, better educated or makes more money and has a bigger car and house and knows how to dazzle her with BS.
Finally, I think and according to my experience you will never know her heart and soul and a colombiana you can read like an open book is a rare find.
True love is if you guys interchange passwords for Facebook, e-mail accounts and cell phones, even if nobody looks at the other accounts, it results in a strong measure of confidence in the relationship.
If she is very secretive with her cell or FB, do what I did and hack them.
You might be in for the biggest surprise of your life, I sure was.
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Don't take this the wrong way, utopia, Elex' gf's have no reason in the world to worry what he is up to, him dating young, attractive women, no kids, those kind of women don't get a headache whether Elex worries about them or not, they just go on to the next 'victim', lol.
In your case however, a middle aged woman with 4 kids, and having a great stepfather for her kids, I imagine having gone through some serious disappointments and infidelity in the past, sure she worries how you feel about her and if you may wander off one of these days.
Maybe that is the secret then, always make sure that she has more to lose than you do. You might be surprised how insecure even the young attractive women are.
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Right you are, utopia, that's the secret formula: 'Has she more or less to lose than you do.' Excellent analysis.
Has she less to lose than you do she might get adventurous, lol or drop you like a ton of bricks when you least expect it.
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Maybe it might be better if two people had honest, deep, sincere love and respect for each other. Then no matter what her faults were and your faults were, you or her would never think about leaving for someone "better"..
But I realize this may be a fairy tale..
Right you are, utopia, that's the secret formula: 'Has she more or less to lose than you do.' Excellent analysis.
Has she less to lose than you do she might get adventurous, lol or drop you like a ton of bricks when you least expect it.
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My two cents on the subject of Colombian women, it is impossible to generalize even though the great majority of them want a child or two and if they don't already have them they are going to want them. It's an extremely strong drive for them to have their 'negrito', (an endearing term in Colombia.)
Apart from this they want economic security, having seen poverty all around them for their entire life, except for the estrato 6 girls who turned up their noses at this problem.
They want a reliable, decent guy who accepts their culture, food, music, salsa soccer games and being attached to the family and a satisfactory sex life.
If she has a boy and you are unhappy about the way he is raised she expects you to accept him the way he is and not critizise him. (there are exceptions).
Her mom is sacred to her, do not ignore or ever critizise her mom.
If you take her out of her country she expects regular trips home to see her family, like twice a year, even if there is a posibility she is running into an old bf, yeah.
She doesn't want to be cut off from the Colombian community in her new country even though there is always a posibility that she could be admired by someone who speaks her language and knows her culture in and out, is more charming then her gringo husband, better looking, better educated or makes more money and has a bigger car and house and knows how to dazzle her with BS.
Finally, I think and according to my experience you will never know her heart and soul and a colombiana you can read like an open book is a rare find.
True love is if you guys interchange passwords for Facebook, e-mail accounts and cell phones, even if nobody looks at the other accounts, it results in a strong measure of confidence in the relationship.
If she is very secretive with her cell or FB, do what I did and hack them.
You might be in for the biggest surprise of your life, I sure was.
My wife has been back to Colombia once since she came to the States May 2012. Unusual maybe but I have always encouraged her adaptation here and she is doing a great job. I know too many gringos who pay for trips back every 3 months. A big mistake in my opinion...
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Recently I was looking for a way to program my android phone to automatically change my profile foto en whatsapp every day. I didn´t find it, but what I did see are a lot of articles giving estimates of how many times each week the average whatsapp user changes their photo, and it amounts to 3 or 4 times each week. Possibly the sudden change of profile photo has nothing to do with you but more likely is just the girl expressing herself.
Here´s a note about it which I thought pretty well sums up most of the girls I talk to on WhatsApp who change their profile photo very frequently:
The frequent DP changers[/size]"People who keep on changing their profile pictures are insecure, lack in confidence and are often very flippant in their decisions. Such people are also found to be suspicious and don't trust others easily. Some even show traits of split personality and always remain dissatisfied with their decisions," said psychologist Amool Ranjan. "This trait shows that a person is suffering from identity crisis and actually wants to explore himself in the views of others. They are also attention seekers," said another psychologist Kaptan Singh Sengar.
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Recently I was looking for a way to program my android phone to automatically change my profile foto en whatsapp every day. I didn´t find it, but what I did see are a lot of articles giving estimates of how many times each week the average whatsapp user changes their photo, and it amounts to 3 or 4 times each week. Possibly the sudden change of profile photo has nothing to do with you but more likely is just the girl expressing herself.
Here´s a note about it which I thought pretty well sums up most of the girls I talk to on WhatsApp who change their profile photo very frequently:
The frequent DP changers[/size]"People who keep on changing their profile pictures are insecure, lack in confidence and are often very flippant in their decisions. Such people are also found to be suspicious and don't trust others easily. Some even show traits of split personality and always remain dissatisfied with their decisions," said psychologist Amool Ranjan. "This trait shows that a person is suffering from identity crisis and actually wants to explore himself in the views of others. They are also attention seekers," said another psychologist Kaptan Singh Sengar.
An awful lot of people--especially females under age 35, suffer from extreme cases of 'selfyitis'. I was down in Key West, Florida a few weeks ago and I will never venture into town again during peak season. If I thought cell phone towers were bad, the amount of people carrying long 'selfie sticks' was even worse--extreme visual pollution. A group of 2 0r 3 people extending their arm and stick/camera creates a sidewalk by pass obstruction situation. Some places--certainly concert venues, now ban them. Hate to peg any one ethnic group, but it seemed 80% of the Asian tourists had them--a larger percentage than the Latina and Euro folks visiting.
I also noticed several Five Guys Hamburger joints and CVS drug stores--Key West never had any chains like that before. What major USA brand names are somewhat new presences in Colombia?
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I have been to more places in Colombia than 99% of Colombians.
But you say you haven't been to Chocó i.e. Quibdó, Bahia Solano, Nuquí or Capurganá. How about Buenaventura and Juanchaco?
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But you say you haven't been to Chocó i.e. Quibdó, Bahia Solano, Nuquí or Capurganá. How about Buenaventura and Juanchaco?
y Popayán, Pasto, Ipiales, Pitalito, St. Augustine, Darien, La Dorada, Honda, La Union, Roldanillo, Tauro, Restrepo, and 42 other pueblos I´ve visted, along with 12 cities I´ve lived in for longer than a month.
elexpatriado, I wonder, have you ever been anywhere for a while, or just drive through on the main roads?
I´ve actually lived in 14 different countries and in 22 different places in Colombia, and I´m counting my stay as being one month or longer in each place. The place where I live now I just moved here a week ago but it will be number 23 when I go next time.
How many places you lived in Colombia, and not just driven through?
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Forgetting about the girls , and only passing through Barranquilla one time, another negative is that its a hot, dirty, ugly city. Imagine being forced to visit every year because your future mate is from there.
Well Bogota aint no paradise either.
There are a lot nicer places in Colombia.
I never have even thought of looking for a woman in Baranquilla for this reason. Its harder to get a women to move from an Ugly city in Colombia to Manizales, than it is to get them to move to US or Europe, because despite the fact their cities are ugly, they are very regionalistic. plus they dont like a city with no jobs, "Frio" (in thier opinion) and too many "Lomas"(can´t walk around climbing all the hills in high heels).
But for me, the climate, scenery, ambiance, relative cleanliness, and friendliness of the people in Manizales beats anywhere.
I like Manizales quite well. In fact almost moved there from Cali in 2003. Would have but for circumstances that changed. Ended up in a place as cool (temp) as Manizales but in the mountains above Cali. Your right about the lowland city girls. They're all super friolentas and can only deal the a temp of 80F or above unless the carrot of a US destination is dangled in front of them. What I'd really like is a pretty india from Cauca but she probably wouldn't put up with me having a couple of girlfriends in Cali.
Have you been to the the Reserva Rio Blanco just outside town?
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An awful lot of people--especially females under age 35, suffer from extreme cases of 'selfyitis'. I was down in Key West, Florida a few weeks ago and I will never venture into town again during peak season. If I thought cell phone towers were bad, the amount of people carrying long 'selfie sticks' was even worse--extreme visual pollution. A group of 2 0r 3 people extending their arm and stick/camera creates a sidewalk by pass obstruction situation. Some places--certainly concert venues, now ban them. Hate to peg any one ethnic group, but it seemed 80% of the Asian tourists had them--a larger percentage than the Latina and Euro folks visiting.
I also noticed several Five Guys Hamburger joints and CVS drug stores--Key West never had any chains like that before. What major USA brand names are somewhat new presences in Colombia?
I recently lived in a pueblo where they filmed a television novela every week and the place has gotten quite famous in certain crowds. On weekends and holidays there are always tourists walking around with those silly sticks. I grew quite tired of it.
But, I remember when I lived in Popayan a few years ago I witnessed a pretty bold theft of an iPhone.
The elderly man was taking a photo of his wife sitting on the edge of the fountain. A young guy walked up and very pleasantly offered to take the old guy´s iPhone and snap a photo of the man and wife together at the fountain. All went well until a second young guy came running across the park and snatched the iPhone and took off like a bat out of hell, with the first young guy in hot pursuit, ostensibly to catch the thief.
It took me a moment to realize they were in cahoots, one setting it up and the other doing the snatch. So, given that scenario, which I now understand is repeated daily all across the world, the selfie sticks are not such a bad idea, just awkward to walk around when three or four of them are stretched out on the sidewalk.
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Only 0.1% of Colombians (who dont live there) have been to those places..
I specificaly avoid Buenaventura.
As a matterr of fact, I am going to Capurganá. next week.
But you say you haven't been to Chocó i.e. Quibdó, Bahia Solano, Nuquí or Capurganá. How about Buenaventura and Juanchaco?
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y Popayán, Pasto, Ipiales, Pitalito, St. Augustine, Darien, La Dorada, Honda, La Union, Roldanillo, Tauro, Restrepo, and 42 other pueblos I´ve visted, along with 12 cities I´ve lived in for longer than a month.
elexpatriado, I wonder, have you ever been anywhere for a while, or just drive through on the main roads?
I´ve actually lived in 14 different countries and in 22 different places in Colombia, and I´m counting my stay as being one month or longer in each place. The place where I live now I just moved here a week ago but it will be number 23 when I go next time.
How many places you lived in Colombia, and not just driven through?
Andy how much in the Western Cordillera north of Restrepo and Darién? Do you know the village of Trujillo up the mountain from Rio Frio and site of the terrible massacre in the eighties and nineties? How about west of there, the four corners of Dos Quebradas and the village of Naranjal near the Chocó border? Really great scenery!
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Hey, In Canada they wisely elected a prime minister who has "selfyitis". I call him PM "Selfie Boy".
Dont know what new US chains are in Colombia. Better to ask someone who spends more time around Medellin and Bogota. All I remeber is Burger King and Subway, And Hard Rock Cafe.and of coure McDonalds..not that I frequent those places. And none of these in Manizales. Just the Colombian chains.
An awful lot of people--especially females under age 35, suffer from extreme cases of 'selfyitis'. I was down in Key West, Florida a few weeks ago and I will never venture into town again during peak season. If I thought cell phone towers were bad, the amount of people carrying long 'selfie sticks' was even worse--extreme visual pollution. A group of 2 0r 3 people extending their arm and stick/camera creates a sidewalk by pass obstruction situation. Some places--certainly concert venues, now ban them. Hate to peg any one ethnic group, but it seemed 80% of the Asian tourists had them--a larger percentage than the Latina and Euro folks visiting.
I also noticed several Five Guys Hamburger joints and CVS drug stores--Key West never had any chains like that before. What major USA brand names are somewhat new presences in Colombia?
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Only 0.1% of Colombians (who dont live there) have been to those places..
I specificaly avoid Buenaventura.
As a matterr of fact, I am going to Capurganá. next week.
You will love it! I hope you plan to stay at the Nautilus. It used to be Hotel Almar and I'd like to know how it is since it changed hands a few years ago. Bring your wading shoes as you'll cross the creek several times as you hike back to the waterfall. Also if you want another nice hike not known to most tourists just walk north along the beach from the hotel until the beach ends. A trail begins there that follows the coast all the way to Panamá. Look carefully in the shaded areas along the trail and you'll see the little black and yellow poison arrow frogs Dendrobates auratus. They're a special morph from Capurganá. Hope you write a trip report.
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Hey, In Canada they wisely elected a prime minister who has "selfyitis". I call him PM "Selfie Boy".
Dont know what new US chains are in Colombia. Better to ask someone who spends more time around Medellin and Bogota. All I remeber is Burger King and Subway, And Hard Rock Cafe.and of coure McDonalds..not that I frequent those places. And none of these in Manizales. Just the Colombian chains.
Thanks, for the bad news all the same----
It's increasingly hard to avoid the 'westernization' of distant places. Key West, Florida may be 30 miles closer to Cuba than to main land Florida, but it has lost a lot of uniqueness. To add insult to injury, the 'Conch train'
tour---like 10 golf carts strung together, lead by a corny looking locomotive mock up, passes by the house on the corner (next door to ours) because we're in fact in the very oldest part of K.W. We got them to stop ringing their damn 'train bell' finally.
But 15 years ago, on my first trip to the Philippines, after a 35 hour flight, I was tired but wired and decided to watch TV 'Asian style'. Turn on the TV--it was "The Brady Bunch". I muttered to myself: "F_ _ _ this"--changed the channel and it was---Oprah Winfrey! Every fast food and donut shop joint we have here, they have there--even some that have closed here--Kenny Roger's Roasters--still do big business there. No need to fight in a war---we're killing them with saturated fat!
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y Popayán, Pasto, Ipiales, Pitalito, St. Augustine, Darien, La Dorada, Honda, La Union, Roldanillo, Tauro, Restrepo, and 42 other pueblos I´ve visted, along with 12 cities I´ve lived in for longer than a month.
elexpatriado, I wonder, have you ever been anywhere for a while, or just drive through on the main roads?
I´ve actually lived in 14 different countries and in 22 different places in Colombia, and I´m counting my stay as being one month or longer in each place. The place where I live now I just moved here a week ago but it will be number 23 when I go next time.
How many places you lived in Colombia, and not just driven through?
Man, I spent about 20 minutes typing an answer , was only part way through and I hit a button and deleted everything. Jeez that pi$$es me off.
Ill try to answer later. Maybe I will type it in word first so I dont have that problem.
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Yeah, I am staying at the Nautilis as a matter of fact. With all the tours thrown in, including the 2 beach tours and the eco walk and the boat trip to sanblas islands in Panama.
Thanks for the tip.
It was highly recommended by my freind, Marcos, from Angeles de Medellin. I have done a bit of travelling with him. He has been all over Colombia and Latin America in the 9 years he has been here.
Ja..ja..as seen from my Argentinian report. Im not very good with these trip reports, but I´´ll try.Key is not hitting a back-page button when you are doing a long post.
You will love it! I hope you plan to stay at the Nautilus. It used to be Hotel Almar and I'd like to know how it is since it changed hands a few years ago. Bring your wading shoes as you'll cross the creek several times as you hike back to the waterfall. Also if you want another nice hike not known to most tourists just walk north along the beach from the hotel until the beach ends. A trail begins there that follows the coast all the way to Panamá. Look carefully in the shaded areas along the trail and you'll see the little black and yellow poison arrow frogs Dendrobates auratus. They're a special morph from Capurganá. Hope you write a trip report.
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Have you been to the the Reserva Rio Blanco just outside town?
Hey..thanks for the second great tip! No actually I havent and I heard my freind , who is an eco-guide talking about it. Maybe Ill go there with my girl friend in the next few days. Also I wanna go to Rio Sucio to climb the Via Ferrata on cerro batero near Rio Sucio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZJmXr1TJVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZJmXr1TJVs)
I havent been to la Reserva Rio Blanco, but I have been to El Reciento De Pensamientos many times. Really beautiful. I really like it. I am sur you know the park and the tour there. up on the chairlift, the casa de los Colibris and the sendero with the orchids.
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Thanks, for the bad news all the same----
It's increasingly hard to avoid the 'westernization' of distant places. Key West, Florida may be 30 miles closer to Cuba than to main land Florida, but it has lost a lot of uniqueness. To add insult to injury, the 'Conch train'
tour---like 10 golf carts strung together, lead by a corny looking locomotive mock up, passes by the house on the corner (next door to ours) because we're in fact in the very oldest part of K.W. We got them to stop ringing their damn 'train bell' finally.
But 15 years ago, on my first trip to the Philippines, after a 35 hour flight, I was tired but wired and decided to watch TV 'Asian style'. Turn on the TV--it was "The Brady Bunch". I muttered to myself: "F_ _ _ this"--changed the channel and it was---Oprah Winfrey! Every fast food and donut shop joint we have here, they have there--even some that have closed here--Kenny Roger's Roasters--still do big business there. No need to fight in a war---we're killing them with saturated fat!
In Peru you can find American chains in even the smallest cities: McDonalds, Pizza Hut, Burger King, KFC, Papa John's, Starbucks, Chilis, etc. I would assume Colombia is similar.
List of stores at a typical Peruvian mall (http://trujillo.mallaventuraplaza.com.pe/tiendas/catalogo-de-tiendas)
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Man, I spent about 20 minutes typing an answer , was only part way through and I hit a button and deleted everything. Jeez that pi$$es me off.
Ill try to answer later. Maybe I will type it in word first so I dont have that problem.
Press Control and Z, and sometimes you can salvage a mistake like that.
Fathertime!
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Do follow my tip about the trail at the end of the beach and bring your camera. Lots of cool stuff. ?nother tip: wear water shoes or swim fins in the ocean in front of the hotel. Lots of sea urchins. Also if you're snorkling in front of the hotel you'll come to a ledge about ninety meters from the beach and real shallows beyond. You can cross them without scraping your chest and you'll come to nice deep water just a ways further out. You can swim right on out to the island. This is the stuff visitors to Colombia should not miss out on! Myself I'm going back to Isla Providencia next month. It will be my sixth time.
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Maybe it might be better if two people had honest, deep, sincere love and respect for each other. Then no matter what her faults were and your faults were, you or her would never think about leaving for someone "better"..
But I realize this may be a fairy tale..
You've been watching too many rom coms. In every relationship there are power dynamics at work which may be quite open or under the surface. They are always there. Even though I would say I have the upper hand, I am quite fond of my wife and treat her well.
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Hey..thanks for the second great tip! No actually I havent and I heard my freind , who is an eco-guide talking about it. Maybe Ill go there with my girl friend in the next few days. Also I wanna go to Rio Sucio to climb the Via Ferrata on cerro batero near Rio Sucio
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZJmXr1TJVs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZJmXr1TJVs)
I havent been to la Reserva Rio Blanco, but I have been to El Reciento De Pensamientos many times. Really beautiful. I really like it. I am sur you know the park and the tour there. up on the chairlift, the casa de los Colibris and the sendero with the orchids.
For you it's an easy day trip since it's only about twenty minutes or less out of Manizales but for staying over they have very comfortable acomodación, good food and the guide is brilliant!
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We kinda of went out there "On Spec."
W just took a taxi out there, and we got there, the guide told us you have to ask permission from Aguas Manizales (city waterworks) to enter.
And he told the taxi driver to charge us 20 mil pesos, because that was the "normal charge" here , even though the fare was 8 mil pesos.
I could have gotten pissed off, and left, but I had my heart set on the place. In addition there was a 25 mil "Guides Fee".
I dont know if you had to go through paying this "vacuna" and bureaucracy BC. Anyway, maybe Ill go to Aguas Manizales and see what the story is.
Anyway, it was a good hike up to where the guide lives, saw lots of birds and plants and the Andean Ante-ojos bear (though he was caged and quite old, getting near the end of his life span).
I took a lot of pictures of humming birds.
There wasn't much food at the house..all we had was arepa and agua panela.
There was a group of about 8 British Bird watchers up there. Dont think they were staying overnight. Never asked about over-night accommodation
Things may have changed since you were there BC.
I walked with the guide up to the mirador with the view of Manizales, elev. 2800 m , while my GF stayed at the house, elev. 2650 m. The trail starts at the park entrance gate about 2250 m. The hike takes about 2 hours, but is a really slow paced, as this time takes into account for most Colombians are out of shape in a big way.
Apparently there are several thousand foreigners from international bird watching clubs that go there every year. More varieties of birds there than any other place in the world, exccept some place in Costa Rica.
For you it's an easy day trip since it's only about twenty minutes or less out of Manizales but for staying over they have very comfortable acomodación, good food and the guide is brilliant!
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y Popayán, Pasto, Ipiales, Pitalito, St. Augustine, Darien, La Dorada, Honda, La Union, Roldanillo, Tauro, Restrepo, and 42 other pueblos I´ve visted, along with 12 cities I´ve lived in for longer than a month.
elexpatriado, I wonder, have you ever been anywhere for a while, or just drive through on the main roads?
I´ve actually lived in 14 different countries and in 22 different places in Colombia, and I´m counting my stay as being one month or longer in each place. The place where I live now I just moved here a week ago but it will be number 23 when I go next time.
How many places you lived in Colombia, and not just driven through?
Well, finally got around to writing my diatribe.
Well Andy you might have me beat, I have only lived in 8 countries, but I have lived in 23 different cities and round 40 to 50 different apartments and houses in my life. I guess we are both Nomads, eh?
In Colombia, I have only stayed more than 1 month in Cali, Medellin, Envigado and Manizales, but I have visited many places more than a "few days".
I will try to make a list from North to South- I don´t know if I can remember them all-
San Andreas-once, for about 5 days , Cartagena , 3 times for about 3 -4 days each time, Islas Rosarios and Isla Baru, Santa Marta , 3 times, Rodadero , once, Minca and area, once for a full day, Parque Tayrona, including the hike to the beach with the big rock and the Mirador, a couple days, La Guajira, a full week, including Riohacha, Cabo Vela, Punta Gallina,-the full tour of the area, Valledupar, just for a day, Monteria- just passing through , Montlibano, Cordoba , for about 3 weeks (I actually worked at the mine in Cerro Matoso for about 3 weeks-only place I have worked in Colombia), Parque Nacional El Cocuy, twice, once for one week and once for 10 days, during which I climbed 4 of the 6 highest peaks in the range,Guican and El Cocuy, pueblos near PNN El Cocuy, where I spent a day or two each, including local hot springs, Medellin , Envigado, Sabaneta, Bello, (A lot of time in each city), Guatape and el Peñol (about 5 times) Santa Fe de Antioquia (about 4 times) , San Jeronimo (day trip), Venezia (day trip), Manizales (obviously), Villa Maria,Reciento de Pensamientos (4 times), Reserva Rio Blanco(once), Termales de Otono (several times , but no more I dont recommend people go there), Termales de Nevada del Ruiz el 3700 m (only once-day visit, as well we were rock climbing in the area), Parques aguas termales near Manizales, Pereira (extensively), Dos Quebradas (extensively), Santa Rosa and Termales Santa Rosa de Cabal (about 4 times , 1 to 2 days every time), Termales de San Vincente (once full day trip, its very Expensive$$).
I have spent very extensive time in Parque Nacional de los Nevados, accessed either form Manizales or Salento. I have climbed Nevada del Ruiz about 6 years ago, before it was active, Cerro Santa Isabel 3 times (there are 3 peaks, climbed 1 once, central peak twice, still have 1 peak "El Hongo" left to do). Been up the spectacular "Ruta del Condor" access road to Santa Isabel 3 times..beautiful waterfalls and paramos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-YBvUdZX4c
Been to Salento and Valle Cocora about 10 times, and up the trail by horseback to Primavera Finca at 3700 m 4 times, 3 times to climb Nevada Tolima, by different routes, once to climb one of the peaks of Nevada Quindio.
Been to a Finca hotel between La virginia and Los Cerritos in Risalda (2 days) , Armenia (several times for several days), Parque Nacional de Cafe (twice), three different Fincas en eje cafetero full day or overnight, Peñas Blancas (near Calarca) eco parque once a full day for rock climbing and hiking,.
Been to Bogota several times, including most of the museums, Monserrate several times, several pueblos around Bogota, Zipaquira and the catedral del sal, Laguna Sagrada de Guatavita (highly recommended for historical aspects), Suesca Cudinimarca for rock climbing, 3 times ,several days each time, Villavicencio twice, once for several days, Caño Cristales and pueblo of La Macarena and national park, for several days, Various pueblos and cities in Tolima and South Cudinimarca- Espinal, Chicoral, Melgar, Girardot (not recommended ..LOL),.
Cali (extensively), Tulua, Cartago ; Palmira (all more than a couple days each), Lago Calima (several times, several days each time), Dapa, Rio Pance, several times, a day each time, including waterfalls higher up, several other places around Cali, I can´t remember.
Popayan twice (several days each time).
Still many places I want to go. Capagurna (going in 6 days), Bucaramanga and San Gil and area, San Augustine, Volcan Purace, Pasto/ Nariño,.Ciudad Perdida, and a really wild dream, climb the highest peaks in Colombia, Cristobol Colon and Simon Bolivar-but this is a real political nightmare. Also several pueblos in Boyaca , Cudinimarca and here in the eje Cafetera and in Antioquia I would like to visit.
Dont have that much interest to go to Choco, Buenaventure, Pacific Coast, or Amazonas. I don´t like excessive rain, bugs and Guerillas..
Can you give us a run down of places you have lived and visited in Colombia, Andy, and the good and bad aspects of each ?
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thanks Elexpatriado for posting that list. It does indeed look like you have me beat, my quite a bit in fact. Some of the places you´ve mentioned are on my bucket list.
later I´ll draft a similar report of my visits to various places in Colombia. Thanks again for posting your trips, very interesting stuff.
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Cali (extensively), Tulua, Cartago ; Palmira (all more than a couple days each), Lago Calima (several times, several days each time), Dapa, Rio Pance, several times, a day each time, including waterfalls higher up, several other places around Cali, I can´t remember.
Elex, I was wondering if it was just me but while in Cartago do you remember seeing an unbelievable amount of gorgeous women? I was dating a girl there while I lived in Pereira and I'd visit her on the weekends. One of the very few I've met in person off LatinEuro (great site by the way...they just don't update it AT ALL and there's nothing specifying if women have children or not. But not many working girls from my experience). I thought I was lucky when we first met online but every time I got down there I couldn't help but think, "MAN! I could have done a lot better than you!!!" For a small town the quality of the ladies there really blew my mind! Neiva is like that as well but the beauty pageant culture there sort of explains it. Cartago hits you like a ton of bricks.
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Elex, I was wondering if it was just me but while in Cartago do you remember seeing an unbelievable amount of gorgeous women? I was dating a girl there while I lived in Pereira and I'd visit her on the weekends. One of the very few I've met in person off LatinEuro (great site by the way...they just don't update it AT ALL and there's nothing specifying if women have children or not. But not many working girls from my experience). I thought I was lucky when we first met online but every time I got down there I couldn't help but think, "MAN! I could have done a lot better than you!!!" For a small town the quality of the ladies there really blew my mind! Neiva is like that as well but the beauty pageant culture there sort of explains it. Cartago hits you like a ton of bricks.
I dated a girl from Cartago for a while. She was the secretary to the mayor and I always liked to hang out in front of the Alcaldia and watch the parade of girls at the end of the day. Wow, you are right.....it´s like a tiny Cali with all the pretty girls and none of the bull[snip]. Damn hot weather though.
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As far as my girlfriend...lets just say there are some things I like not to share personal details about on a public site. I think people can respect that.
What personal details? I'm not asking for a link to her facebook page or her social security number. You could tell us how old she is and how you met her. What's different about her than your other many novias? What kind of work does she do? You could tell us stuff like that. That's not personal. Unless there's something you're ashamed of or you don't want to jinx yourself maybe?
You share plenty of information about national parks and all the rocks and mountains you climbed which is cool, I like to hear about those things but this forum is about WOMEN after all. I think after all the negative stuff you post, you could at least tell us a little bit about something positive you've accomplished for once in your life.
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What personal details? I'm not asking for a link to her facebook page or her social security number. You could tell us how old she is and how you met her. What's different about her than your other many novias? What kind of work does she do? You could tell us stuff like that. That's not personal. Unless there's something you're ashamed of or you don't want to jinx yourself maybe?
You share plenty of information about national parks and all the rocks and mountains you climbed which is cool, I like to hear about those things but this forum is about WOMEN after all. I think after all the negative stuff you post, you could at least tell us a little bit about something positive you've accomplished for once in your life.
Jeez, Awesome, lighten up fer chrissake. Enjoy the good stuff and ignore the things you perceive as shortcomings. We all gotta just get along, no?
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Jeez, Awesome, lighten up fer chrissake. Enjoy the good stuff and ignore the things you perceive as shortcomings. We all gotta just get along, no?
What exactly do you mean "lighten up for chrissake"? Who said anything about anyone's "shortcomings"? Who's not getting along?
I just asked expat to tell us about the one thing that this board is about, WOMEN. Expat won't answer because he doesn't want to share any "personal details". I didn't ask him about any personal details. We can easily discuss the women we date without disclosing any personal details. If he met his novia at the gym we don't want to know the address of the gym. If she works at a bank we don't want to know the name and address of the bank. Am I totally out of line?
One post describing how expat is finally finding some success with AN ACTUAL WOMAN is worth a thousand posts about bird watching, and hiking through the mountains of some place most of us have never heard of.
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I was there years ago with my girlfriend at the time, and I dont remember anymore beautiful women than anywhere else.
Maybe I will go back again some day.I do remember La Macarena having a lot of beautiful women though, though pretty young.
Elex, I was wondering if it was just me but while in Cartago do you remember seeing an unbelievable amount of gorgeous women? I was dating a girl there while I lived in Pereira and I'd visit her on the weekends. One of the very few I've met in person off LatinEuro (great site by the way...they just don't update it AT ALL and there's nothing specifying if women have children or not. But not many working girls from my experience). I thought I was lucky when we first met online but every time I got down there I couldn't help but think, "MAN! I could have done a lot better than you!!!" For a small town the quality of the ladies there really blew my mind! Neiva is like that as well but the beauty pageant culture there sort of explains it. Cartago hits you like a ton of bricks.
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What personal details? I'm not asking for a link to her facebook page or her social security number. You could tell us how old she is and how you met her. What's different about her than your other many novias? What kind of work does she do? You could tell us stuff like that. That's not personal. Unless there's something you're ashamed of or you don't want to jinx yourself maybe?
You share plenty of information about national parks and all the rocks and mountains you climbed which is cool, I like to hear about those things but this forum is about WOMEN after all. I think after all the negative stuff you post, you could at least tell us a little bit about something positive you've accomplished for once in your life.
this is why I think Elex adds so little (I think he actually said he was leaving at one point but then came back :'( . I could care less about his rock climbing exploits or how many places in Colombia he's been to. How about some stories so we can better understand why he's so negative on Colombianas? Now someone like Robert Angel, in contrast, I don't even know where he lives nor do I care, but he, who is on his second foreign marriage and is married to a filipina, has shared his experiences in a very informative way about the challenges of foreign marriage. Same with Andy Lee, Chris F, and a bunch of others like Kiltboy, JWR, and Stonemason. Those are the posters I have learned from and continue to learn from. Nevertheless, it's Elex's right not to share anything useful but that's why I barely even read his posts anymore. He thinks his negative posts are for "entertainment and to stir things up," but they are just empty chatter....
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What personal details? I'm not asking for a link to her facebook page or her social security number. You could tell us how old she is and how you met her. What's different about her than your other many novias? What kind of work does she do? You could tell us stuff like that. That's not personal. Unless there's something you're ashamed of or you don't want to jinx yourself maybe?
You share plenty of information about national parks and all the rocks and mountains you climbed which is cool, I like to hear about those things but this forum is about WOMEN after all. I think after all the negative stuff you post, you could at least tell us a little bit about something positive you've accomplished for once in your life.
Whatever I post, I am sure the likes of you will try to turn it into a a negative.
Suffice to say I am satisfied, and its none of your business, Okay?
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Whatever I post, I am sure the likes of you will try to turn it into a a negative.
Suffice to say I am satisfied, and its none of your business, Okay?
After almost 2000 posts and you FINALLY have something that can be considered valuable to the board and you hold out on us. Does poor little Awesome have that much of an effect on you? We don't make negative comments about each other's novias and wives on this board so I promise not to be critical or say anything to hurt your sensitive feelings mister expat.
But I'm genuinely curious about your relationship. That's the whole reason we use this board, to discuss each other's relationships with foreign women and try to learn from each other successes and mistakes.
I can't believe a grown man can be that sensitive that he's worried about what some totally anonymous unknown internet posters might say about his dating situation. This is pathetic.
I guess carry on posting about your bird watching adventures and hiking the trails of mount kilamanjaro. Jeez..
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Excuse me while I stick my finger down my throat and throw up at this bull[snip]. Chris sake there are 11 of us on this forum-We share information. Usually we share it in different ways, but all ways can benefit all of us.
Sometimes we share less than you want, but sometimes we share whats important to us. If you don´t want us posting on here about mountain and valleys and palm trees and canyons that we say and felt awesome about, then just ignore our posts and shut the [snip] up.
Let it go.
It´s not for me to defend Elexpatriado, for in matter of fact I can´t stand the guy sometimes, but, I don't´spend my [snip]ing life pulling his posts apart and poking misery at him.
For the sake of the forum stop with the bull[snip] attacks. It don´t help any of us to keep flinging arrows at each other. There are only a few of us left. There used to be dozens of new posts every day and hundreds of us online at any given time, then the attacks started, now there are one or two posts each day and half of them are attacks. Lets just try to get along.
Admit that Elex and Andy and Benjio and a few others have seen a lot of places in Colombia and those places that we visit and live in are the place where the girls come from. That´s what we´re all about. The places and the experiences shape the relationships that we have.
You think I went to all those places to see the fincas and the mountains and the beaches? [snip] no, I went there to see the girls and sniff the pussy and get the highs. Nobody travels in this country to see the rainbows, we travel to meet the girls. So get over it. Enjoy the travelogues because that´s where the pussy comes from. Don´t you get it? You think I lived in 23 different places because I have ¨itchy feet¨ [snip] now, I went there to get laid. That´s the underlying theme of all this travel bull[snip]. Climbing a peak like Elex and I do is the foreplay, then the girl is awed by our accomplishment and wants to give us a massage to ease our sore muscles, then the fun begins. Get with the program guys, we´re not here to give you travel advice, we´re here to tell you about the places we visited because we met a girl there and the geography is what we saw on the way to the bedroom. Don´t you get it?
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Excuse me while I stick my finger down my throat and throw up at this bull[snip]. Chris sake there are 11 of us on this forum-We share information. Usually we share it in different ways, but all ways can benefit all of us.
Sometimes we share less than you want, but sometimes we share whats important to us. If you don´t want us posting on here about mountain and valleys and palm trees and canyons that we say and felt awesome about, then just ignore our posts and shut the [snip] up.
Let it go.
It´s not for me to defend Elexpatriado, for in matter of fact I can´t stand the guy sometimes, but, I don't´spend my [snip]ing life pulling his posts apart and poking misery at him.
For the sake of the forum stop with the bull[snip] attacks. It don´t help any of us to keep flinging arrows at each other. There are only a few of us left. There used to be dozens of new posts every day and hundreds of us online at any given time, then the attacks started, now there are one or two posts each day and half of them are attacks. Lets just try to get along.
Admit that Elex and Andy and Benjio and a few others have seen a lot of places in Colombia and those places that we visit and live in are the place where the girls come from. That´s what we´re all about. The places and the experiences shape the relationships that we have.
You think I went to all those places to see the fincas and the mountains and the beaches? [snip] no, I went there to see the girls and sniff the pussy and get the highs. Nobody travels in this country to see the rainbows, we travel to meet the girls.
I have no problem with the discussion about mountains, and parks, and beaches. I like to hear about those things since I'd love to visit some of those places some day. But I see nothing wrong with trying to pry some valuable info out of good ol' expat. He's one of the few posters who actually lives in Colombia but after almost 2000 posts of him beating his chest, talking crazy to other posters, and blowing a bunch of hot air, he FINALLY has something of actual interest to the purpose of this board. Is it going to kill him to tell us a little bit about how he's finally doing good with regards to his love life? I told him I'd be nice, and I mean that 100%.
And get off your high horse Andy Lee, you're not the supreme court justice of this board as much as you try to be. Go drink a cup of hot tea and have your girlfriend give you a massage so you can calm your nerves a little bit.
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I have no problem with the discussion about mountains, and parks, and beaches. I like to hear about those things since I'd love to visit some of those places some day. But I see nothing wrong with trying to pry some valuable info out of good ol' expat. He's one of the few posters who actually lives in Colombia but after almost 2000 posts of him beating his chest, talking crazy to other posters, and blowing a bunch of hot air, he FINALLY has something of actual interest to the purpose of this board. Is it going to kill him to tell us a little bit about how he's finally doing good with regards to his love life? I told him I'd be nice, and I mean that 100%.
And get off your high horse Andy Lee, you're not the supreme court justice of this board as much as you try to be. Go drink a cup of hot tea and have your girlfriend give you a massage so you can calm your nerves a little bit.
No Awesome, get the [snip] off your own high horse and leave the rest of us enjoy this forum and this country. Elex and me and the others who know what this country is all about and what these women are all about will continue to feed you information but only until you get too high horsey and start bugging us for stuff we don't´want to share, then we cut you off.
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I know what's going on here. Expat's ashamed of something. Could it be his novia's age, or her employment status? I bet if he was dating a 35 year old accountant he would've told us already. Expat's scared somebody will say something judgemental, that's why he won't spill the beans.
Expat if you're dating an 18 year old barrio girl you picked up in front of the ice cream cone stand I WILL NOT JUDGE YOU, I promise. If anything I'll envy you. Quit being so sensitive, jeez.
Anyway I'll quit bringing it up, I don't want Andylee to have an aneurysm or a heart attack. Carry on gentlemen. I'm placing myself on a 24 hour posting restriction, good day. :)
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Excuse me while I stick my finger down my throat and throw up at this bull[snip]. Chris sake there are 11 of us on this forum-We share information. Usually we share it in different ways, but all ways can benefit all of us.
Sometimes we share less than you want, but sometimes we share whats important to us. If you don´t want us posting on here about mountain and valleys and palm trees and canyons that we say and felt awesome about, then just ignore our posts and shut the [snip] up.
Let it go.
It´s not for me to defend Elexpatriado, for in matter of fact I can´t stand the guy sometimes, but, I don't´spend my [snip]ing life pulling his posts apart and poking misery at him.
For the sake of the forum stop with the bull[snip] attacks. It don´t help any of us to keep flinging arrows at each other. There are only a few of us left. There used to be dozens of new posts every day and hundreds of us online at any given time, then the attacks started, now there are one or two posts each day and half of them are attacks. Lets just try to get along.
Admit that Elex and Andy and Benjio and a few others have seen a lot of places in Colombia and those places that we visit and live in are the place where the girls come from. That´s what we´re all about. The places and the experiences shape the relationships that we have.
You think I went to all those places to see the fincas and the mountains and the beaches? [snip] no, I went there to see the girls and sniff the pussy and get the highs. Nobody travels in this country to see the rainbows, we travel to meet the girls. So get over it. Enjoy the travelogues because that´s where the pussy comes from. Don´t you get it? You think I lived in 23 different places because I have ¨itchy feet¨ [snip] now, I went there to get laid. That´s the underlying theme of all this travel bull[snip]. Climbing a peak like Elex and I do is the foreplay, then the girl is awed by our accomplishment and wants to give us a massage to ease our sore muscles, then the fun begins. Get with the program guys, we´re not here to give you travel advice, we´re here to tell you about the places we visited because we met a girl there and the geography is what we saw on the way to the bedroom. Don´t you get it?
Definitely appreciate some of your stories but you should heed your own advice and lighten up. Funny you are defending elex since not too long ago you were attacking his character on here and accusing him of stalking you. Gotta love Planet Love! LMFAO!
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Expat if you're dating an 18 year old barrio girl you picked up in front of the ice cream cone stand I WILL NOT JUDGE YOU, I promise. If anything I'll envy you. Quit being so sensitive, jeez.
I WOULDN'T JUDGE HIM EITHER!!!! SHE SOUNDS LIKE A LOT OF FUN!!!! ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
Apparently young, gorgeous women that enjoy ice cream are some type of human fountain of youth! LOL! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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it's Elex's right not to share anything useful but that's why I barely even read his posts anymore. He thinks his negative posts are for "entertainment and to stir things up," but they are just empty chatter....
I agree--it's not like he's talking (at least lately) about how you can get sex from young girls for a ham sandwich. Sure, if you read his stuff it's really super odd that for a guy who admits striking out so much, who overall conveys a negative view about women in general and about Colombia and it's women in particular, that he stays there apparently pretty much continuously, but hey--its his life.
He's changes his style a bit, but I'd take it all--his countless bragging about his travels, his physique, the mountains, the rock climbing etc., etc., with a grain of salt the size of a basketball. I suppose somewhere between talking about his saggy balls and leaky ass and how young he looks and how fit he is--between the stories of the places, oceans and mountain peaks, there's some truth in there somewhere, but I don't think anybody, save for maybe one equally credible person really cares.
But hey, if he doesn't--for whatever reason, want to talk about his alleged girl friend, that's certainly his prerogative. It's all going to be taken with a bit of skepticism anyways, so if he wants to spare us any details, be they sober or salacious, just as well.
Just interesting to note that the person who's all but harassing him for details, despite numerous requests, who says he travels with multiple smart phones and a laptop, never has posted a single picture and could still be churning it all out from his Grandmother's basement for all we know.
Sometimes P.L. resembles a dysfunctional 'unreality show'....
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Definitely appreciate some of your stories but you should heed your own advice and lighten up. Funny you are defending elex since not too long ago you were attacking his character on here and accusing him of stalking you. Gotta love Planet Love! LMFAO!
Thanks for reminding me....now, if I can get over something that egregious, and get on with my life, that means I´m doing okay, yes? Example of Live and let live, Do Unto Others....and all that jive.
I wasn´t defending elexpat at all, I even pointed out I don´t like his stuff very much except for his travel reports, they are sometimes quite interesting.
I was simply addressing the continual combative sniping from the other guy, whatever his name his. You know, the one who travels to Medellin to stand in the park and watch girls huff, then gets his own butt busted for smoking and complains that it cost him 50,000 de papaya para las policías.
He´s actually quite lucky. He could have wound up shanked and lost a lot more than that measly $15.
He´s actually the kind of slimy gringo makes us real expats cringe when we read his stuff. Example of the Ugly American syndrome.
Answering the challenge from Buencamino y Elexpat I did my own synopsis of my life in Colombia which I´ll not bother to post here so it won´t bore everyone. But, it´s interesting to note that I´ve lived in and visited 55 different places in Colombia, from anywhere from one week each up to two years. The best part, I have had also 55 different novias (so far). Imagine, at my age and in only six years? Now, that´s going some, yeah?
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Thanks for reminding me....now, if I can get over something that egregious, and get on with my life, that means I´m doing okay, yes? Example of Live and let live, Do Unto Others....and all that jive.
I wasn´t defending elexpat at all, I even pointed out I don´t like his stuff very much except for his travel reports, they are sometimes quite interesting.
I was simply addressing the continual combative sniping from the other guy, whatever his name his. You know, the one who travels to Medellin to stand in the park and watch girls huff, then gets his own butt busted for smoking and complains that it cost him 50,000 de papaya para las policías.
He´s actually quite lucky. He could have wound up shanked and lost a lot more than that measly $15.
He´s actually the kind of slimy gringo makes us real expats cringe when we read his stuff. Example of the Ugly American syndrome.
Answering the challenge from Buencamino y Elexpat I did my own synopsis of my life in Colombia which I´ll not bother to post here so it won´t bore everyone. But, it´s interesting to note that I´ve lived in and visited 55 different places in Colombia, from anywhere from one week each up to two years. The best part, I have had also 55 different novias (so far). Imagine, at my age and in only six years? Now, that´s going some, yeah?
AndyLee--and nobody doubts you've lived it. You've shared it in words and photos, here and in actual books, written about the good, the bad and the ugly. Loves, lives, incomes ups and downs and more. And while I don't think people doubt the prodigious number of women and places you've been to, you convey it realistically, largely in a 'matter of fact' manner without trying to put yourself out there as some ultra alpha male--not some 'king' with a recipe to be joe stud--not a whiff of misogynist about you. THAT's unusual around here.
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I agree--it's not like he's talking (at least lately) about how you can get sex from young girls for a ham sandwich. Sure, if you read his stuff it's really super odd that for a guy who admits striking out so much, who overall conveys a negative view about women in general and about Colombia and it's women in particular, that he stays there apparently pretty much continuously, but hey--its his life.
He's changes his style a bit, but I'd take it all--his countless bragging about his travels, his physique, the mountains, the rock climbing etc., etc., with a grain of salt the size of a basketball. I suppose somewhere between talking about his saggy balls and leaky ass and how young he looks and how fit he is--between the stories of the places, oceans and mountain peaks, there's some truth in there somewhere, but I don't think anybody, save for maybe one equally credible person really cares.
But hey, if he doesn't--for whatever reason, want to talk about his alleged girl friend, that's certainly his prerogative. It's all going to be taken with a bit of skepticism anyways, so if he wants to spare us any details, be they sober or salacious, just as well.
Just interesting to note that the person who's all but harassing him for details, despite numerous requests, who says he travels with multiple smart phones and a laptop, never has posted a single picture and could still be churning it all out from his Grandmother's basement for all we know.
Sometimes P.L. resembles a dysfunctional 'unreality show'....
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So I spend an hour an a post, answering Andy´s question, and there are still people out there that think am bragging, and making it up, and not just stating things things matter-of -factly (or at least trying to perpetrate the myth I am not being truthful). No wonder anyone would not want to post any thing personal on this site. There will be people here who are either gonna make rude comments, or say it is all a lie, fake. Not much respect for anyone here.As if Someone is going to spend hours making that stuff up...Jeez...At least a guy like Mambo is honest enough to say he doesn't care and isn't interest in travelogues.
Robert you spend a lot of time writing long posts, whos to say your stuff isnt made up.? You think you are some type of guardian here, but I have to remind you, you dont live here,and you probably have never met any of the posters who live in Colombia, so who are you to judge and post all your preconceived ideas? Do you believe everything you read on this site (other than my posts LOL) and use that to make your judgement of life in Colombia and character judgement of individuals? Life on the internet is not necessarily the same as life in the real world, let me remind you.
Also, you seem to twist my posts around and make this statement "Sure, if you read his stuff it's really super odd that for a guy who admits striking out so much, who overall conveys a negative view about women in general and about Colombia and it's women in particular, that he stays there apparently pretty much continuously, but hey--its his life."
Well I have news for you..are mis-reading and mis-interpreting my posts.. I am perfectly happy with ALL aspects of my life in Colombia and my life in general,at the present time, and like Colombian and Colombian women in particular, just as much, if not more tthan the average guy.
If some people interpret some ofmy posts a being "negative" well... I guess they have no sense of humour, and think things are all just rainbows, unicrons horeshoes and lollipops here...
Well good, really dont care. Its not my place to convince people. I wont be wasting my time on any long posts anymore other than exchanging thoughts and ideas with Andy and BuenCamino, two guys who live here and are reasonably open minded and non-critical.
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Shes 33 and a lawyer- that s enough info. for you.
I know what's going on here. Expat's ashamed of something. Could it be his novia's age, or her employment status? I bet if he was dating a 35 year old accountant he would've told us already. Expat's scared somebody will say something judgemental, that's why he won't spill the beans.
Expat if you're dating an 18 year old barrio girl you picked up in front of the ice cream cone stand I WILL NOT JUDGE YOU, I promise. If anything I'll envy you. Quit being so sensitive, jeez.
Anyway I'll quit bringing it up, I don't want Andylee to have an aneurysm or a heart attack. Carry on gentlemen. I'm placing myself on a 24 hour posting restriction, good day. :)
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So I spend an hour an a post, answering Andy´s question, and there are still people out there that think am bragging, and making it up, and not just stating things things matter-of -factly (or at least trying to perpetrate the myth I am not being truthful). No wonder anyone would not want to post any thing personal on this site. There will be people here who are either gonna make rude comments, or say it is all a lie, fake. Not much respect for anyone here.As if Someone is going to spend hours making that stuff up...Jeez...At least a guy like Mambo is honest enough to say he doesn't care and isn't interest in travelogues.
Robert you spend a lot of time writing long posts, whos to say your stuff isnt made up.? You think you are some type of guardian here, but I have to remind you, you dont live here,and you probably have never met any of the posters who live in Colombia, so who are you to judge and post all your preconceived ideas? Do you believe everything you read on this site (other than my posts LOL) and use that to make your judgement of life in Colombia and character judgement of individuals? Life on the internet is not necessarily the same as life in the real world, let me remind you.
Also, you seem to twist my posts around and make this statement "Sure, if you read his stuff it's really super odd that for a guy who admits striking out so much, who overall conveys a negative view about women in general and about Colombia and it's women in particular, that he stays there apparently pretty much continuously, but hey--its his life."
Well I have news for you..are mis-reading and mis-interpreting my posts.. I am perfectly happy with ALL aspects of my life in Colombia and my life in general,at the present time, and like Colombian and Colombian women in particular, just as much, if not more tthan the average guy.
If some people interpret some ofmy posts a being "negative" well... I guess they have no sense of humour, and think things are all just rainbows, unicrons horeshoes and lollipops here...
Well good, really dont care. Its not my place to convince people. I wont be wasting my time on any long posts anymore other than exchanging thoughts and ideas with Andy and BuenCamino, two guys who live here and are reasonably open minded and non-critical.
As per: """I wont be wasting my time on any long posts anymore other than exchanging thoughts and ideas with Andy and BuenCamino""--well, it's your prerogative, so if that's your fan club, respond however you see fit--since you're excluding everyone else, sniff, sniff--PMs seem just the ticket, no? Just don't let the door hit you on the way out....
And you know what?---you're right again--it's ALL made up!~!~~smoke, mirrors, bunk and balderdash!~--And yes, yes, yes, you're sooo right, we have NO sense of humor! By the way--to cover all the things you're so spot on correct on, there actually is NO 'Robert Angel"---Well, actually he passed away some years back! I was his seeing eye dog--he wasn't half bad really (maybe a third bad) but he got me prosthesis, so I could type and without him around for me to serve as his 'guardian' I took to posting in that capacity here--obviously out of boredom, to which apparently, now that I paws to think, I contribute immensely~~~~yawn----biscuit time~~~~then off to play with my twisted rope~~~~!!
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Most guys that come down to see a certain girl spend their whole time in the city where she lives. I think some of them at least would like to get out and see a bit of the country with their compañera but don't know where to go or how to get there. Some of us like myself have done some traveling and have information to share about great destinations to take a girl to. Could be of value to some.
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As per: """I wont be wasting my time on any long posts anymore other than exchanging thoughts and ideas with Andy and BuenCamino""--well, it's your prerogative, so if that's your fan club, respond however you see fit--since you're excluding everyone else, sniff, sniff--PMs seem just the ticket, no? Just don't let the door hit you on the way out....
And you know what?---you're right again--it's ALL made up!~!~~smoke, mirrors, bunk and balderdash!~--And yes, yes, yes, you're sooo right, we have NO sense of humor! By the way--to cover all the things you're so spot on correct on, there actually is NO 'Robert Angel"---Well, actually he passed away some years back! I was his seeing eye dog--he wasn't half bad really (maybe a third bad) but he got me prosthesis, so I could type and without him around for me to serve as his 'guardian' I took to posting in that capacity here--obviously out of boredom, to which apparently, now that I paws to think, I contribute immensely~~~~yawn----biscuit time~~~~then off to play with my twisted rope~~~~!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnPzp2lmNk
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Hmmm Robert..You take all of what I sad so damn seriously.Maybe its your turn to settle down now.
The point I was making is, if your going to insinuate (please go back to your original thread and notice it is dripping with heavy inuendo about me being untruthful) that I am not telling the truth in.my posts, The same can be said about anyone, including yourself.
Now what is so damn evil about that? jeez. Take a valuim.man.
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Most guys that come down to see a certain girl spend their whole time in the city where she lives. I think some of them at least would like to get out and see a bit of the country with their compañera but don't know where to go or how to get there. Some of us like myself have done some traveling and have information to share about great destinations to take a girl to. Could be of value to some.
It may be best if you stick to that instead of that racist thread you did about gringos "settling" for black women...
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Elex, BTW, I'm no "guardian" or "judge of character" here----wouldn't that be Awesome's job?? :D
If not, I'd guess on that front, a 'group consensus' would be more appropriate a measure, but you've already narrowed down your, errrrr----peer group, to just you and two other people, one who sometimes doesn't post for months at a time.
As for 'valium', other than some nyquil this week, I'm pretty chill actually and find all this rigermarole kind of funny really----I think all of us could stand to lighten up a bit and not take ANY of this TOO seriously.... ;D
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It may be best if you stick to that instead of that racist thread you did about gringos "settling" for black women...
Ha ha naw...I think it may be best if I just post whatever the f*ck I want! Don't like it don't read it.
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Ha ha naw...I think it may be best if I just post whatever the f*ck I want! Don't like it don't read it.
Just calling your thread out as racist. You reveal more than you think you do..just don't underestimate our intelligence...
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Thanks for reminding me....now, if I can get over something that egregious, and get on with my life, that means I´m doing okay, yes? Example of Live and let live, Do Unto Others....and all that jive.
I wasn´t defending elexpat at all, I even pointed out I don´t like his stuff very much except for his travel reports, they are sometimes quite interesting.
I was simply addressing the continual combative sniping from the other guy, whatever his name his. You know, the one who travels to Medellin to stand in the park and watch girls huff, then gets his own butt busted for smoking and complains that it cost him 50,000 de papaya para las policías.
He´s actually quite lucky. He could have wound up shanked and lost a lot more than that measly $15.
He´s actually the kind of slimy gringo makes us real expats cringe when we read his stuff. Example of the Ugly American syndrome.
Answering the challenge from Buencamino y Elexpat I did my own synopsis of my life in Colombia which I´ll not bother to post here so it won´t bore everyone. But, it´s interesting to note that I´ve lived in and visited 55 different places in Colombia, from anywhere from one week each up to two years. The best part, I have had also 55 different novias (so far). Imagine, at my age and in only six years? Now, that´s going some, yeah?
Wow, you have to make things up to attempt to get your point across andylee? Is that what kind of person you are?
I never said I stood in any park watching anybody huff. I was walking under the metro in el centro when I saw the teenagers huffing and I continued walking as fast as I could to get away from that scene. I guess integrity and using actual FACTS isn't something that's very important to you andylee. I wonder what else you've lied about...
And what's so "slimy" about me smoking reefer in a park full of hippies and skaters who are doing the same thing in a very peaceful and communal way? Please tell me andylee, I'd really like to know. How exactly does that make me an "ugly American"?
Do you want to know what's way slimier than that? A crusty old fart senior citizen like yourself who brags on the internet about dating TEENAGERS in a third world country, something you've done on several occasion. Tell us andylee, out of your "55 novias in 6 years" you've dated, how many of them were only teenagers?
Let's ask any Colombian or anybody at all for that matter who's slimier, a young guy who smokes weed in a hippy park or a old pervert in his sixties who goes to a poor country to bed teenagers?? Who gives Americans a worse reputation you or me?
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Shes 33 and a lawyer- that s enough info. for you.
Right on. It looks like you're finally on the right track.
So how did you two meet? Were you introduced through mutual friends, an agency, cupid site? Did you randomly meet at the grocery store or at the gym? Are you a client of hers? Do you two live in the same city? None of these are personal questions, so you shouldn't have any problem answering, unless of course there's something that you're ashamed of.
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Ha ha naw...I think it may be best if I just post whatever the f*ck I want! Don't like it don't read it.
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There is a feature on Planet Love that enables you to ignore posters. I found it is easier just to ignore someone than it is to try to reason with them, Ray and Awesome for example.
Buencamino is spot on. If you don´t like my posts don´t read them. If you can´t resist reading them, then put me on Ignore.
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This was originally posted by JWR...thanks guy, good stuff
How to add someone to your ignore list:
Click on Profile
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Modify Profile
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Add the member you want to Ignore
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Andylee you're a first class coward. You call me a "slimy" "ugly American" for smoking weed in the park, then when I call you out for being an old pervert in his sixties who brags about sleeping with teenagers in a third world country all of a sudden you want to use the "ignore" cop out like a scared little coward.
I once thought you were a respectable level headed guy. Now I realize you never deserved any respect. And for the record you attacked me first, and now you want to run away with your tail between your legs. Coward.
You're pathetic.
Will someone please quote me so the SLIMY little coward can see what I'm posting.
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Just calling your thread out as racist...
Hey Mumble this will interest you, all about the history of Colombia's "afrodescendientes":
http://www.banrepcultural.org/blaavirtual/geografia/geofraf1/huellas.htm
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Andylee you're a first class coward. You call me a "slimy" "ugly American" for smoking weed in the park, then when I call you out for being an old pervert in his sixties who brags about sleeping with teenagers in a third world country all of a sudden you want to use the "ignore" cop out like a scared little coward.
Why I have nothing against Andy, and feel his posts can be of high value considering he lives in Colombia I have to agree with Awsomes assessment here regarding Andys behavior
Andy since I respectfully agree with Awesome you are free to put me on your ignore list as well
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While I dont want to take sides, and I really think it is bad that people get into name calling or use words like, "Pervert", "Slimy", "Scumbag" or any of that (or even "Racist" for that matter), or be judgemental in anyway, I would like to point out what I believe your average Colombian would think of this situation, as Awesome asked in his quote below.
My only comment about Awesome is I would classify him as being a bit immature, a fair bit crazy, more as a Troll, trying to always stir things up, and getting people excited. He has taken On CaliPro, Robert Angel (on a few occaisions), BCC, MUDD, Myself, and now Andy Lee, amongst others. I would not classify him as a "Slimey or an "Ugly American" or anything harsh without knowing him personally. Just a crazy troll.
As far as what Colombians would think of this situation, as Awesome asked, It is a totally different culture, and people dont think like they do in North America or Europe, or even in other Latin American Countries for that matter.
It is not normal for someone in their 50s or 60s to be dating someone very young, but it is generally accepted. I have met several taxi drivers 60 years and plus who have Novias of 18 or19 years of age. I imagine there are a few even younger, but I try not to think about it (Yuck).
And there is a large segment of the population that is very anti-drug, and always talking about how they cant stand the Marijuaneros.
I have talked to a lot of people about this. Okay, the feeling may be different in the estratos 5 and 6, amongst University students, but they only make up less than 20% of the population. For the majority of the Colombian population, the feeling can be generalized by the conversation with my maid, summarized below.
"What do you think of guys who are in their 50s or 60s who date girls 18 or 19 year olds?"
Ans.: "Don´t think it is a good idea good. It wont last , the girl is only there for money" (Well that may be true in all Colombiana / Foreigner cases, but money obviously becomes a much greater issue with a large age difference)
"Do you think the man is bad ?"
Ans: "No, I just dont think it is a good idea."
"What do you think is worse , the old guy dating the young girls, or the Marijuana smoker?"
"Los Marijuaneros son peores..no me gusta ellos"
While this is how Colombians think, it is obviously not how Foreigners think.
I have never had a physical relationship with a women under 20 in Colombia. I used to think guys in their 50s or 60s dating these girls (18 or 19 year olds) were perverts, but after awhile I came to see that many of these relationships were mutually beneficial and , at times respectful, and I have seen several that have lasted 5 or 6 years.
I don´t want to be judgemental of anyone, I dont care how old the guy is , as long as the girl, is 18 years or older. That is where I draw the line. Same with Marijuana smokers, if they keep to themselves, and are peaceful. Or anyone else for that matter.
The main thing is to be modest, not come across as a braggart, and most importantly, treat people with class and respect. Its better to keep some things to yourself than broadcast all your personal details to everyone on the internet. Believe me while there is nothing inheritently evil about the following things, how many young chicks you have had or how many fights you have gotten into, how many bars you have passed out in, or how big of a doobie you scored, theses things are in NO WAY anything to brag about. Not say people are bragging on this site, maybe just saying things matter-of -factly, but still this is something for people to think about. A little modesty and civiliy never hurt.
I hope I have not offended anyone, as it was in no way my intention to do so. This is only my personal experience from living in Colombia, and people can disagree, if they want to of course.
Mountains, valleys, Bird watching, beaches and butterflies may be boring, but they dont offend people´s sensitivities.
Let's ask any Colombian or anybody at all for that matter who's slimier, a young guy who smokes weed in a hippy park or a old pervert in his sixties who goes to a poor country to bed teenagers?? Who gives Americans a worse reputation you or me?
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Andy since I respectfully agree with Awesome you are free to put me on your ignore list as well
No problem, got it covered.
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No problem, got it covered.
With so few members here, if anyone finds it necessary to start blocking members, that member may find that in short order that the only posts they will be reading are their own ;)
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That's the best post I've seen on this thread Chris ;D !
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While I dont want to take sides, and I really think it is bad that people get into name calling or use words like, "Pervert", "Slimy", "Scumbag" or any of that (or even "Racist" for that matter), or be judgemental in anyway, I would like to point out what I believe your average Colombian would think of this situation, as Awesome asked in his quote below.
My only comment about Awesome is I would classify him as being a bit immature, a fair bit crazy, more as a Troll, trying to always stir things up, and getting people excited. He has taken On CaliPro, Robert Angel (on a few occaisions), BCC, MUDD, Myself, and now Andy Lee, amongst others. I would not classify him as a "Slimey or an "Ugly American" or anything harsh without knowing him personally. Just a crazy troll.
As far as what Colombians would think of this situation, as Awesome asked, It is a totally different culture, and people dont think like they do in North America or Europe, or even in other Latin American Countries for that matter.
It is not normal for someone in their 50s or 60s to be dating someone very young, but it is generally accepted. I have met several taxi drivers 60 years and plus who have Novias of 18 or19 years of age. I imagine there are a few even younger, but I try not to think about it (Yuck).
And there is a large segment of the population that is very anti-drug, and always talking about how they cant stand the Marijuaneros.
I have talked to a lot of people about this. Okay, the feeling may be different in the estratos 5 and 6, amongst University students, but they only make up less than 20% of the population. For the majority of the Colombian population, the feeling can be generalized by the conversation with my maid, summarized below.
"What do you think of guys who are in their 50s or 60s who date girls 18 or 19 year olds?"
Ans.: "Don´t think it is a good idea good. It wont last , the girl is only there for money" (Well that may be true in all Colombiana / Foreigner cases, but money obviously becomes a much greater issue with a large age difference)
"Do you think the man is bad ?"
Ans: "No, I just dont think it is a good idea."
"What do you think is worse , the old guy dating the young girls, or the Marijuana smoker?"
"Los Marijuaneros son peores..no me gusta ellos"
While this is how Colombians think, it is obviously not how Foreigners think.
I have never had a physical relationship with a women under 20 in Colombia. I used to think guys in their 50s or 60s dating these girls (18 or 19 year olds) were perverts, but after awhile I came to see that many of these relationships were mutually beneficial and , at times respectful, and I have seen several that have lasted 5 or 6 years.
I don´t want to be judgemental of anyone, I dont care how old the guy is , as long as the girl, is 18 years or older. That is where I draw the line. Same with Marijuana smokers, if they keep to themselves, and are peaceful. Or anyone else for that matter.
The main thing is to be modest, not come across as a braggart, and most importantly, treat people with class and respect. Its better to keep some things to yourself than broadcast all your personal details to everyone on the internet. Believe me while there is nothing inheritently evil about the following things, how many young chicks you have had or how many fights you have gotten into, how many bars you have passed out in, or how big of a doobie you scored, theses things are in NO WAY anything to brag about. Not say people are bragging on this site, maybe just saying things matter-of -factly, but still this is something for people to think about. A little modesty and civiliy never hurt.
I hope I have not offended anyone, as it was in no way my intention to do so. This is only my personal experience from living in Colombia, and people can disagree, if they want to of course.
Mountains, valleys, Bird watching, beaches and butterflies may be boring, but they dont offend people´s sensitivities.
That was a fine post. Kudos to you.
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Actually reminds of the time a few years ago the wife of I guy I know wanted to introduce me to a girl in Carmelo (out past Juanchaco). I drove out and sat down in the woman's house with her and the girl for an introductory chat. When the girl left I said to the woman she's very nice but how old is she. Seventeen. Oh no sorry I can't do that, too young. No? she said, why not? The man who left her for another woman was fifty five. It just didn't even occur to the woman that there would be anything wrong with my dating the girl or having her move in with me. Another time a woman in her fifties wrote to me on cupido and said I'm not writing for me but for a friend I'd like to introduce you to. I met them at a mall for coffee and the woman introduced me to her friend who was clearly a young girl. She said the girl had a rough life and bad parents and needed a responsible gringo gentleman like my self to live with. The girl was beaming throughout but didn't say much. When I got them to tell me how old she was the answer was sixteen. Unbelievable! And she was evidently all ready to go home with me from that meeting and start cooking supper. I thanked them for an enjoyable conversation and gave them bus fare back to Yumbo (and said phew!!!). So yes the culture and attitudes are quite different from those in US but that's often not readily apparent on the surface.
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Why I have nothing against Andy, and feel his posts can be of high value considering he lives in Colombia I have to agree with Awsomes assessment here regarding Andys behavior
Andy since I respectfully agree with Awesome you are free to put me on your ignore list as well
Me too
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Actually reminds of the time a few years ago the wife of I guy I know wanted to introduce me to a girl in Carmelo (out past Juanchaco). I drove out and sat down in the woman's house with her and the girl for an introductory chat. When the girl left I said to the woman she's very nice but how old is she. Seventeen. Oh no sorry I can't do that, too young. No? she said, why not? The man who left her for another woman was fifty five. It just didn't even occur to the woman that there would be anything wrong with my dating the girl or having her move in with me. Another time a woman in her fifties wrote to me on cupido and said I'm not writing for me but for a friend I'd like to introduce you to. I met them at a mall for coffee and the woman introduced me to her friend who was clearly a young girl. She said the girl had a rough life and bad parents and needed a responsible gringo gentleman like my self to live with. The girl was beaming throughout but didn't say much. When I got them to tell me how old she was the answer was sixteen. Unbelievable! And she was evidently all ready to go home with me from that meeting and start cooking supper. I thanked them for an enjoyable conversation and gave them bus fare back to Yumbo (and said phew!!!). So yes the culture and attitudes are quite different from those in US but that's often not readily apparent on the surface.
Interesting stories.
Fathertime!
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........I would classify him as being a bit immature, a fair bit crazy, more as a Troll, trying to always stir things up, and getting people excited. He has taken On CaliPro, Robert Angel (on a few occaisions), BCC, MUDD, Myself, and now Andy Lee, amongst others. I would not classify him as a "Slimey or an "Ugly American" or anything harsh without knowing him personally. Just a crazy troll.
You are right about these beginner trolls, always trying to bait someone into an argument so they can attempt to prove their superiority. This one sounds like a Ray Jr. wannabe. I learned about trolls on a forum that had several masters. This guy is a long way from being a master. More likely he is just a prepubescent wannabe master baiter. Only way to handle beginner trolls is ignore them.
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With so few members here, if anyone finds it necessary to start blocking members, that member may find that in short order that the only posts they will be reading are their own ;)
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One place Andy and Expat didn’t mention in their travel accounts is Quibdó, the capital of Chocó department. I had a half day layover there on the way to Nuqui´when I went with an ex novia a few years ago. It’s a small city out in the middle of the jungle and looks like a place straight out of a Joseph Conrad novel. In fact, I would be a bit surprised if he based his book Nostradamus on it.
When we arrived at the brand new Chinese built airport, I wanted to use our layover time to see the place so I went up to a cop and asked him where the tourist center was. That was kind of a joke because there isn’t any and he gave me a look like huh? But then we all walked outside to the few waiting taxis and he had a long talk with one of the drivers. I couldn’t hear, but my girlfriend thought she heard him say something like listen you, you take this gringo and his girlfriend downtown and make damn sure you get them back here later… or else. He didn’t want the bother of a gringo going missing.
The driver was cool and in fact he really did wait for us all afternoon no doubt per the cops instructions but only charged for the round trip. To be fair, there’s a big cathedral and expansive Malecon on the bank of the Rio Atrato which could be considered touristy. After checking out that we walked into Quibdó’s crazy and bustling El Centro. Without exception the people in the street were Black (mostly) and Embera Indians. My girlfriend got nervous (street experience from Cali) even though her own grandmother is Black but I didn’t see any especially shady characters and in fact a lot of people smiled at us. This notwithstanding the fact that Quibdó is known to be a haven of FARC and ELN guerrilla, disbanded paramilitaries turned drug gang members and illegal gold mining. Anyway I did kind of stick out. After wandering through El Centro we went back to our waiting taxista and returned to the airport. It was there while waiting for our flight to Nuquí that I finally saw a really shady looking character who was probably a “pesado” in illegal gold mining, a tall Black man with a scared face wearing big gold earrings, lots of gold chains who had completely gold covered teeth top and bottom and gold plated fingernails on both hands. Thought better of asking to take his picture.
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Actually reminds of the time a few years ago the wife of I guy I know wanted to introduce me to a girl in Carmelo (out past Juanchaco). I drove out and sat down in the woman's house with her and the girl for an introductory chat. When the girl left I said to the woman she's very nice but how old is she. Seventeen. Oh no sorry I can't do that, too young. No? she said, why not? The man who left her for another woman was fifty five. It just didn't even occur to the woman that there would be anything wrong with my dating the girl or having her move in with me. Another time a woman in her fifties wrote to me on cupido and said I'm not writing for me but for a friend I'd like to introduce you to. I met them at a mall for coffee and the woman introduced me to her friend who was clearly a young girl. She said the girl had a rough life and bad parents and needed a responsible gringo gentleman like my self to live with. The girl was beaming throughout but didn't say much. When I got them to tell me how old she was the answer was sixteen. Unbelievable! And she was evidently all ready to go home with me from that meeting and start cooking supper. I thanked them for an enjoyable conversation and gave them bus fare back to Yumbo (and said phew!!!). So yes the culture and attitudes are quite different from those in US but that's often not readily apparent on the surface.
It's hard to imagine the kind of lives some of these people have had. There was a couple who took care of my mother-in-law's finca for her. The guy was ancient and the woman was a young girl. After she committed suicide we found out the story behind it.
Her family had lived in the jungle near the Darien and after her father was killed by the FARC, the mother and her children fled to Cordoba. The mother had no way of taking care of her kids and started farming them out to whoever would take them. She basically sold the girl to this old guy and they came to live on my mother-in-law's finca. She was pretty miserable there and finally swallowed some rat poison in an attempt to commit suicide. They rushed her off to the hospital in Monteria when she was discovered but she ended up dying there. It's a shocking story to a gringo but to a Colombian, there's nothing shocking about it - there are too many similar stories to count.
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While I dont want to take sides, and I really think it is bad that people get into name calling or use words like, "Pervert", "Slimy", "Scumbag" or any of that (or even "Racist" for that matter), or be judgemental in anyway, I would like to point out what I believe your average Colombian would think of this situation, as Awesome asked in his quote below.
My only comment about Awesome is I would classify him as being a bit immature, a fair bit crazy, more as a Troll, trying to always stir things up, and getting people excited. He has taken On CaliPro, Robert Angel (on a few occaisions), BCC, MUDD, Myself, and now Andy Lee, amongst others. I would not classify him as a "Slimey or an "Ugly American" or anything harsh without knowing him personally. Just a crazy troll.
As far as what Colombians would think of this situation, as Awesome asked, It is a totally different culture, and people dont think like they do in North America or Europe, or even in other Latin American Countries for that matter.
It is not normal for someone in their 50s or 60s to be dating someone very young, but it is generally accepted. I have met several taxi drivers 60 years and plus who have Novias of 18 or19 years of age. I imagine there are a few even younger, but I try not to think about it (Yuck).
And there is a large segment of the population that is very anti-drug, and always talking about how they cant stand the Marijuaneros.
I have talked to a lot of people about this. Okay, the feeling may be different in the estratos 5 and 6, amongst University students, but they only make up less than 20% of the population. For the majority of the Colombian population, the feeling can be generalized by the conversation with my maid, summarized below.
"What do you think of guys who are in their 50s or 60s who date girls 18 or 19 year olds?"
Ans.: "Don´t think it is a good idea good. It wont last , the girl is only there for money" (Well that may be true in all Colombiana / Foreigner cases, but money obviously becomes a much greater issue with a large age difference)
"Do you think the man is bad ?"
Ans: "No, I just dont think it is a good idea."
"What do you think is worse , the old guy dating the young girls, or the Marijuana smoker?"
"Los Marijuaneros son peores..no me gusta ellos"
While this is how Colombians think, it is obviously not how Foreigners think.
I have never had a physical relationship with a women under 20 in Colombia. I used to think guys in their 50s or 60s dating these girls (18 or 19 year olds) were perverts, but after awhile I came to see that many of these relationships were mutually beneficial and , at times respectful, and I have seen several that have lasted 5 or 6 years.
I don´t want to be judgemental of anyone, I dont care how old the guy is , as long as the girl, is 18 years or older. That is where I draw the line. Same with Marijuana smokers, if they keep to themselves, and are peaceful. Or anyone else for that matter.
The main thing is to be modest, not come across as a braggart, and most importantly, treat people with class and respect. Its better to keep some things to yourself than broadcast all your personal details to everyone on the internet. Believe me while there is nothing inheritently evil about the following things, how many young chicks you have had or how many fights you have gotten into, how many bars you have passed out in, or how big of a doobie you scored, theses things are in NO WAY anything to brag about. Not say people are bragging on this site, maybe just saying things matter-of -factly, but still this is something for people to think about. A little modesty and civiliy never hurt.
I hope I have not offended anyone, as it was in no way my intention to do so. This is only my personal experience from living in Colombia, and people can disagree, if they want to of course.
Mountains, valleys, Bird watching, beaches and butterflies may be boring, but they dont offend people´s sensitivities.
Great post Expat.
I feel there is one point I would like to clarify regarding me agreeing with Awsome's assessment. I do not believe that Andy is an old pervert because he dates young woman. I do believe that he is entitled to his opinion like everyone else. If he is going to however throw harsh judgemental comments about someone's behavior (calling Awesome a "slimy gringo" for smoking pot in the park...which I also disagree with, but he is entitled to his opinion) than he better be ready to have someone pass judgement on his behavior as well.
Andy cannot handle that. So he hits the ignore button acting like a distraught high school drama queen. That was acting like a coward.
Just like he did with Ray when Andy posted his political opinion. Ray posted his and soon Andy bans him as well. Could not handle it.
As Expat stated, sometimes it's best not to post too much personal information in a PUBLIC FORUM. If anyone choose to do that, dont cry, hit the ignore button, make drama threats that you are going to leaving the forum, etc.. if someone decides to pass judgement on you.
Be a man and respond back.
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Just like he did with Ray when Andy posted his political opinion. Ray posted his and soon Andy bans him as well. Could not handle it.
Exactly. I remember andylee started a political debate, then when ray responded andylee started crying how he wished ray would leave the board and how ray should be banned bla bla bla. I don't agree with ray's politics, but I don't think he should be silenced just because we disagree.
This reminds me of when I used to take my 5 year old nephew to soccer practice. He would throw a fit and start crying when the other kids would take the ball away from him. I had to explain to him, that's the point of the game! You have to outdo the other kids if you want to keep possession of the ball. They're not supposed to just sit back and let you have the ball the whole game. If you want to win you have to play by the same rules as everyone else. The other players have just as much right as you do to try to win the game.
Andylee is the type who expects everyone to just fall in line with whatever he posts, I guess just because he's "big important mister andylee". He doesn't realize that the only person who thinks he's powerful and important is HIM. He has a delusional sense of self importance. That attitude is probably why he's currently a strange old nomad roaming around a foreign third world country, trying to be somebody important on internet message boards.
I knew something was off about andylee when he started that weird crap accusing expat of stalking him and throwing firecrackers at his house or whatever that strange nonsense he was babbling about a while back. The poor old guy's obviously got a few screws loose. Could you imagine some crazy old fart like him dating your 18 year old daughter, niece, or neighbor? That's a scary thought. :-\
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buencamino, hanks for that trip report to Quibdo, Choco. Very interesting.
I have only had two occasions to visit the state of Choco. The first time was to meet a girl who lived in a tiny pueblo called San Jose de Palmar, about five hours by bus northwest of Cartago, Valle del Cauca. The last two hours of that bus ride were on dirt roads that had been heavily damaged by the extreme rains the previous winter.
The scenery was remarkable, high mountains, deep valleys and dense jungle interspersed with small farms, mostly cows and plantain and yucca. At the lower elevations were a few coffee farms and in the valleys there were scattered farms of vegetables and fruits.
There were about 300 families living there, a mix of black, indigenous and Latino. The indigenous are the tribe Embra Chami you mentioned in Quibdo. They speak their own dialect but most of the younger generations also speak Spanish. I was charmed by their easy going lifestyle and friendliness. Especially the kids, who´s facial expressions could go from solemn and stoic to brilliant smiles in the blink of an eye if something struck them funny.
The girl I went to meet was very sweet. She owned a little negocio selling agricultural supplies to the local farmers. She also was studying online to become a kindergarten teacher. She had a six year old son who was a really nice kid. I enjoyed meeting them but didn´t have enough chemistry to continue a relationship. She is still on my Facebook and has recently gotten her degree and a job teaching in a village only two hours from Cartago.
My second trip to the state of Choco was to the village of Pueblo Rico on the north side of the Tatama National Park. Pueblo Rico is the center of the Embra Chami people and most of the village is made up of blacks, indigenous and Latino. The people were very friendly and I was probably the first gringo many of them had ever seen. I needed a translator to talk to most of them in their native language.
The reason I went there was because of the National Park. It is a huge mountain range nearly 50 miles long made up from an extinct volcano. The highest peak is around 15,000 feet.
There are three hikes to access the park. The first is a day hike out of the Eco Hotel in the vereda of San Rafael. The second is a three day roundtrip hike to the meadows, a huge plateau at about 12,000 feet elevation. This requires a guide who provides meals and tents for 50,000 per person.
There are dozens of springs forming three small lakes and from here originates 15 different creeks flowing down off the mountains. The mountain range is part of the continental divide and 11 of the creeks flow to rivers leading to the Atlantic, and the other 4 flow to the Pacific. We teased each other about pissing off the ridge and hitting two oceans.
From the Meadows there is another 3 days roundtrip to the peaks overlooking the Meadows. Part of the hike is a 200 foot rope climb up a steep cliff leading up from the Meadows.
My time in Pueblo Rico was pretty short, but one thing struck me as noteworthy. North of the village in a tiny veranda the guerrillas had evicted 10 indigenous families form their farms and took the farms over to produce cocaine. The 10 families fled to the village, and not finding any place to stay continued on across the mountains to another village called Santuario in the state of Risaralda.
Here the 10 families literally commandeered an abandoned auction barn that had a 4 stall stable attached. The place was in a horrible mess but they set about making it their new home. They cleaned everything and put down throw rugs on the dirt floor and set out wash lines to do their laundry and they set up several cook fire rings.
The men took picks and shovels and dug a ditch about 200 yards to the nearest water and sewer lines and broke into the lines to create their own service. There was one working toilet and one working shower for all ten families, probably about 30 people total. Somehow they made it work.
Several months later President Santos announced his new national housing program, and the 10 families were some of the first participants. They were relocated from their barn and stable home to new little casitas. After that the village authorities tore down the old barn and stable and one of the local farmers wound up with the one toilet and one shower to install in his own home.
I´ve never really had an urge to visit Quibdo, the capital city of Choco. I have met several people from there over the years and I´ve noticed that the black people are really dark black and tall with surprisingly small heads. I wonder if that could be traced back to the part of Africa where they originated?
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There are dozens of springs forming three small lakes and from here originates 15 different creeks flowing down off the mountains. The mountain range is part of the continental divide and 11 of the creeks flow to rivers leading to the Atlantic, and the other 4 flow to the Pacific. We teased each other about pissing off the ridge and hitting two oceans.
Just when I thought I had a final draft of things to do, places to visit on my 'bucket list'.....
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buencamino, hanks for that trip report to Quibdo, Choco. Very interesting.
I have only had two occasions to visit the state of Choco. The first time was to meet a girl who lived in a tiny pueblo called San Jose de Palmar, about five hours by bus northwest of Cartago, Valle del Cauca. The last two hours of that bus ride were on dirt roads that had been heavily damaged by the extreme rains the previous winter.
The scenery was remarkable, high mountains, deep valleys and dense jungle interspersed with small farms, mostly cows and plantain and yucca. At the lower elevations were a few coffee farms and in the valleys there were scattered farms of vegetables and fruits.
There were about 300 families living there, a mix of black, indigenous and Latino. The indigenous are the tribe Embra Chami you mentioned in Quibdo. They speak their own dialect but most of the younger generations also speak Spanish. I was charmed by their easy going lifestyle and friendliness. Especially the kids, who´s facial expressions could go from solemn and stoic to brilliant smiles in the blink of an eye if something struck them funny.
The girl I went to meet was very sweet. She owned a little negocio selling agricultural supplies to the local farmers. She also was studying online to become a kindergarten teacher. She had a six year old son who was a really nice kid. I enjoyed meeting them but didn´t have enough chemistry to continue a relationship. She is still on my Facebook and has recently gotten her degree and a job teaching in a village only two hours from Cartago.
My second trip to the state of Choco was to the village of Pueblo Rico on the north side of the Tatama National Park. Pueblo Rico is the center of the Embra Chami people and most of the village is made up of blacks, indigenous and Latino. The people were very friendly and I was probably the first gringo many of them had ever seen. I needed a translator to talk to most of them in their native language.
The reason I went there was because of the National Park. It is a huge mountain range nearly 50 miles long made up from an extinct volcano. The highest peak is around 15,000 feet.
There are three hikes to access the park. The first is a day hike out of the Eco Hotel in the vereda of San Rafael. The second is a three day roundtrip hike to the meadows, a huge plateau at about 12,000 feet elevation. This requires a guide who provides meals and tents for 50,000 per person.
There are dozens of springs forming three small lakes and from here originates 15 different creeks flowing down off the mountains. The mountain range is part of the continental divide and 11 of the creeks flow to rivers leading to the Atlantic, and the other 4 flow to the Pacific. We teased each other about pissing off the ridge and hitting two oceans.
From the Meadows there is another 3 days roundtrip to the peaks overlooking the Meadows. Part of the hike is a 200 foot rope climb up a steep cliff leading up from the Meadows.
My time in Pueblo Rico was pretty short, but one thing struck me as noteworthy. North of the village in a tiny veranda the guerrillas had evicted 10 indigenous families form their farms and took the farms over to produce cocaine. The 10 families fled to the village, and not finding any place to stay continued on across the mountains to another village called Santuario in the state of Risaralda.
Here the 10 families literally commandeered an abandoned auction barn that had a 4 stall stable attached. The place was in a horrible mess but they set about making it their new home. They cleaned everything and put down throw rugs on the dirt floor and set out wash lines to do their laundry and they set up several cook fire rings.
The men took picks and shovels and dug a ditch about 200 yards to the nearest water and sewer lines and broke into the lines to create their own service. There was one working toilet and one working shower for all ten families, probably about 30 people total. Somehow they made it work.
Several months later President Santos announced his new national housing program, and the 10 families were some of the first participants. They were relocated from their barn and stable home to new little casitas. After that the village authorities tore down the old barn and stable and one of the local farmers wound up with the one toilet and one shower to install in his own home.
I´ve never really had an urge to visit Quibdo, the capital city of Choco. I have met several people from there over the years and I´ve noticed that the black people are really dark black and tall with surprisingly small heads. I wonder if that could be traced back to the part of Africa where they originated?
Thanks for the report.After reading this and Buen Caminos report, and talking to my friends, I may change my mind and visit more arear on thePacific Coat, in Choco and Buenaventura some day: Hopefully it doesnt rain too much.
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buencamino, hanks for that trip report to Quibdo, Choco. Very interesting.
I have only had two occasions to visit the state of Choco. The first time was to meet a girl who lived in a tiny pueblo called San Jose de Palmar, about five hours by bus northwest of Cartago, Valle del Cauca. The last two hours of that bus ride were on dirt roads that had been heavily damaged by the extreme rains the previous winter.
The scenery was remarkable, high mountains, deep valleys and dense jungle interspersed with small farms, mostly cows and plantain and yucca. At the lower elevations were a few coffee farms and in the valleys there were scattered farms of vegetables and fruits.
There were about 300 families living there, a mix of black, indigenous and Latino. The indigenous are the tribe Embra Chami you mentioned in Quibdo. They speak their own dialect but most of the younger generations also speak Spanish. I was charmed by their easy going lifestyle and friendliness. Especially the kids, who´s facial expressions could go from solemn and stoic to brilliant smiles in the blink of an eye if something struck them funny.
The girl I went to meet was very sweet. She owned a little negocio selling agricultural supplies to the local farmers. She also was studying online to become a kindergarten teacher. She had a six year old son who was a really nice kid. I enjoyed meeting them but didn´t have enough chemistry to continue a relationship. She is still on my Facebook and has recently gotten her degree and a job teaching in a village only two hours from Cartago.
My second trip to the state of Choco was to the village of Pueblo Rico on the north side of the Tatama National Park. Pueblo Rico is the center of the Embra Chami people and most of the village is made up of blacks, indigenous and Latino. The people were very friendly and I was probably the first gringo many of them had ever seen. I needed a translator to talk to most of them in their native language.
The reason I went there was because of the National Park. It is a huge mountain range nearly 50 miles long made up from an extinct volcano. The highest peak is around 15,000 feet.
There are three hikes to access the park. The first is a day hike out of the Eco Hotel in the vereda of San Rafael. The second is a three day roundtrip hike to the meadows, a huge plateau at about 12,000 feet elevation. This requires a guide who provides meals and tents for 50,000 per person.
There are dozens of springs forming three small lakes and from here originates 15 different creeks flowing down off the mountains. The mountain range is part of the continental divide and 11 of the creeks flow to rivers leading to the Atlantic, and the other 4 flow to the Pacific. We teased each other about pissing off the ridge and hitting two oceans.
From the Meadows there is another 3 days roundtrip to the peaks overlooking the Meadows. Part of the hike is a 200 foot rope climb up a steep cliff leading up from the Meadows.
My time in Pueblo Rico was pretty short, but one thing struck me as noteworthy. North of the village in a tiny veranda the guerrillas had evicted 10 indigenous families form their farms and took the farms over to produce cocaine. The 10 families fled to the village, and not finding any place to stay continued on across the mountains to another village called Santuario in the state of Risaralda.
Here the 10 families literally commandeered an abandoned auction barn that had a 4 stall stable attached. The place was in a horrible mess but they set about making it their new home. They cleaned everything and put down throw rugs on the dirt floor and set out wash lines to do their laundry and they set up several cook fire rings.
The men took picks and shovels and dug a ditch about 200 yards to the nearest water and sewer lines and broke into the lines to create their own service. There was one working toilet and one working shower for all ten families, probably about 30 people total. Somehow they made it work.
Several months later President Santos announced his new national housing program, and the 10 families were some of the first participants. They were relocated from their barn and stable home to new little casitas. After that the village authorities tore down the old barn and stable and one of the local farmers wound up with the one toilet and one shower to install in his own home.
I´ve never really had an urge to visit Quibdo, the capital city of Choco. I have met several people from there over the years and I´ve noticed that the black people are really dark black and tall with surprisingly small heads. I wonder if that could be traced back to the part of Africa where they originated?
Very interesting Andy. A small correction: Pueblo Rico is in Risaralda department not Chocó. The line separating the two departments is up along the cordillera. I'm not sure exactly where you're talking about but the actual pueblo of Pueblo Rico is the principal entry point to Parque Nacional Tatamá and as such sees quite a few gringos since the park is known for it's many endemic birds and plants. I visited about two years ago and stayed at the house of a nice lady up on the plane above the park entrance. I understand there's a visitors hotel right at the entrance now. Upon entering there's a long trail that goes all the way up to the ridge of the cordillera. That trail is actually a deteriorated old military road. Just ten years ago ago the area was controlled by the guerrilla so completely off limits for foreigners but Uribe put in one of his Batallones de Alta Montaña up at the divide and now it's perfectly safe to visit.
Regarding African origins I posted an excellent link to HUELLAS DE AFRICANIA EN LA DIVERSIDAD COLOMBIANA above in post #79. I think you would enjoy reading it.
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Fascinating stuff guys. Does anybody have any experience visiting Leticia or Nuqui? Those two places are definitely on my bucket list, Capurgana as well.
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Yes I've been to both. Leticia most recently. That city it's self, the capitol of Amazonas isn't very interesting though of course you can cross a street and be in Brazil. A more appealing place is Puerto Nariño which is about three hours up the river by the fast boat ferry. We arrived at the airport from Bogotá and went straight to the dock where we met a guy who would take us up to Puerto Nariño in a small out board. It took about four and a half hours but we saw much more than we would have in the fast boat. After a day in P N we went back down the river to the Calanoa lodge which is close to the recently closed lodge at Amacayacu National Park. That was a great place and I want to go back.
Nuquí is jungle and beach. I like staying at Piedrapiedra Lodge. Been twice and hope to go back this summer. Nuquí and Capurganá are easy to get to by direct flights in small planes if you're in Medellin.
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Not exactly what Elex was referring to but I was recently in contact with a woman I met on LAC.
When I contacted her through Whatsapp, there was no profile picture at all. Within minutes of making contact with her she put up a picture of a baby. I asked her who is la nina? She said it was her kid. I proceeded to remind her that her LAC profile said she has no kids. Her next reply was, "Oh no, I don't have a kid. I just have a photo of a baby because I would like to have one someday."
Got a good laugh out of that one....
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You are right about these beginner trolls, always trying to bait someone into an argument so they can attempt to prove their superiority. This one sounds like a Ray Jr. wannabe. I learned about trolls on a forum that had several masters. This guy is a long way from being a master. More likely he is just a prepubescent wannabe master baiter. Only way to handle beginner trolls is ignore them.
Well, speaking of TROLLS, this post is another fine example of a phony hypocrite crybaby.
Poor little andy lee, cries like a baby about trolls and personal attacks on the forum, while he repeatedly does exactly what he complains of.
That’s two times now that he has brought my name up in this thread, along with his childish insults.
And all the while, he keeps bragging that he has put me on his ignore list. ROTFLMAO!
Hey you little cowardly hypocrite, if you REALLY wanted to ignore me, you wouldn’t keep bringing up my name in your troll posts, now would you?
Here, ignore this bozo…
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