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Title: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Bayas_Hombre on June 30, 2007, 05:12:07 PM
I've read a lot of glowing recommendations here and I'm leaning towards going with his agency. He offers a lot of different packages. Which of his services did you utilize, why, and would you go with the same package again or change to another?

Any insights are truly appreciated.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Looking4Wife on July 01, 2007, 07:48:38 AM
For those of you who went with Jamie's agency... Which of his services did you utilize, why, and would you go with the same package again or change to another?

Which of his services did you utilize

I used his most expensive service where I was introduced to about 25 women in 3 days.  He advertises to introduce you to 40 and he will definitely do that, but after you meet so many women (10, 15, 25), you need to start weeding out / focusing on some that you've already met before meeting more.

My 1st trip was about 31 days, and during the entire time I met 39 women.  The lady who became my wife (#40) I was introduced to by phone first thru the agency after I was back in the states.

Why

Because I was interested in finding a wife as efficiently as possible.  I'm a romantic guy and single life is not for me.  More than anything prior to selecting an agency, I was impressed with Jamie's introduction "system" and found it to be very efficient.  Its very akin to being on that TV show "The Bachelor".  The group introduction system puts you in front of 20-40 beautiful women within 3 days, based on your criteria, who are vying for your affection.  What could be simpler (and more efficient) than that?

That sure sounds a lot more efficient than flying down to meet one woman, or flying down to flip thru agency book photos after you arrive, or setting up eight 1-hr. appointments with women and 3 of them don't show while you sit around and twiddle your thumbs, etc.

I hesitate to write this next part because I think I've given Jamie enough testimonial quotes to put on his website  :), but I owe this line of reasoning to those who are coming after me in their wife search...

Many people balk at Jamie's "high prices", but yet a lot of guys spend a lot of money, making many, many trips sometimes over a period of several years before they even find someone they can get serious about (or spinning their wheels in dead-end relationships).  The bottom line is, often, they are simply (apparently) not meeting enough women who meet their criteria.  To quote Snooppuppy from gringos.com, "When you have few choices you make poor choices"... or the other possibility is you know that the few choices you've seen don't quite fit what you're looking for.  Jamie's system does an excellent and efficient job of solving these problems and/or speeding up the process of finding what you want.   

At the time I think the cost was $1,275.  An average ticket cost for me runs between $750 - $1,200.  If I make 2 (2 x $750 = $1,500 on the low side) fruitless trips, I just paid for Jamie's service and then some.  It just makes plain economic sense.

So is it cheaper to pay an agency "lifetime fee" of $100 - $500 and not find your wife-to-be for 3-5 years (i.e. 3-5 years paying for travel, lodging, international phone calls and dates in dead end relationships)?  What confidence can you have in a "Marriage Agency" if you need a "Lifetime" membership?  Whatever Jamie is charging (I think now its $1,375) pales in comparison to the lost money and time out of your life becoming a "chronic wife hunter" (Jamie's term in quotes, but my logic in the sentence).   

I went to Colombia to find a wife.  Not to collect airplane ticket stubs, hotel receipts, Colombian souvenirs, pesos / foreign currency to show my friends, etc.  For those guys who are just looking for vacation spots with a plethora of beautiful women, with finding a wife being a secondary priority, that is fine too if that's what they want.  I'm certainly not passing judgment on them.  Its just that I did not fit into that category.

Would you go with the same package again or change to another?

I would definitely go with his "cadillac" service again, as opposed to what I would consider to be slower, less efficient methods.  Although, it might be difficult for me getting another spousal visa approved at the moment... with my wife laying in the bed as I'm writing this  ;D

Photos of me and my wife can be seen in the planet-love general photo gallery RE:  "Mrs. L4W".

NOTE:  A very good friend of mine who I met in these forums found his wife thru one of Jamie's less pricey introduction methods.  Ironically I was introduced to his wife-to-be on my first trip.  They are now very close friends with my wife and me.   

Disclaimer:   Of course anyone can go to Colombia, be overwhelmed by a beautiful woman, propose within 24-72 hours.  That's not what I'm advocating at all (although apparently even that works out sometimes per another PL poster, "DaveyRich" :) ).  As anyone who's followed my posts knows, I advocate doing serious preparation prior to getting married.  Aside from the obvious physical attraction/chemistry/compatability, stuff, primarily this constitutes asking (and answering) a lot of pertinent questions about each other's past, present, and future expectations... a good source for this info is www.MarraigeBuilders.com and a book called "Don't You Dare Get Married Until You Read This".  I don't claim to have all the answers, I just claim to have asked some of the right questions  :)
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: EbonyPrince on July 01, 2007, 06:57:45 PM
Excellently well said L4W.  I can't really add to that.

I chose Jamie's agency totally from a referral standpoint.  I spoke with L4W and a few other guys from a list of referrals that Jamie gave to me.  I hadn't heard anything negative about the agency or Colombia, thus I pulled the trigger and went.

I have tried just about every service that Jamie offers.  I am of the philosophy of trying anything and everything to see which works the best.  I did the top-of-the-line introduction first, and I was totally impressed and satisfied.  I made a second trip where I basically selected a number of women, and I paid everything along the way.  I have probably met over 50 women from Jamies agency, and I feel that there were a lot of quality within the bunch.  My problem is not Jamie's agency, but it relies within me.  I am a very selective person that seeks someone that have similiar qualities that I have to offer.  I also have a little wild side to me that I need to have accomodated.  I am a very demanding person of me and everyone around me.  I haven't been successful in finding someone that has all the personal qualities that I seek.  I have met some women that were too good for me and others that I didn't consider good enough from a chemistry standpoint.  There wasn't a lack of attractiveness within the groups of women that I met.  So from my standpoint if I can find the same options locally, why would I settle for the same or less internationally.

I would definately use Jamie's top-of-the-line service again, and I am considering making another trip towards the end of the year.  I have chilled from his agency, because I have met so many people from his site.  I am just giving him the opportunity to get in more, so that I will have new faces to choose from on my next trip.  I am not a chronic seeker, but I won't settle for anything less than what I want or feel I deserve :).
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: John330 on December 13, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
I've read a lot of glowing recommendations here and I'm leaning towards going with his agency. He offers a lot of different packages. Which of his services did you utilize, why, and would you go with the same package again or change to another?

Any insights are truly appreciated.

I used his one-on-one introduction service.  I didn't like the idea of sitting at a table with 20 women around me. 

If I had to do it again, I would go with the complete tour package.  I choose a less expensive package, and met some nice girls.  But, as someone else pointed out, you ultimately end up spending more - when you make repeated trips just to meet 2-3 girls.   

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on December 13, 2007, 12:13:09 PM
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I used his one-on-one introduction service.  I didn't like the idea of sitting at a table with 20 women around me.

Actually when I did this it was more like 8 beautiful girls sitting around me.  Some people may not be comfortable with that scene.  Perhaps you should do what the public speaking experts say and imagine your audience being naked...in this case the ladies would be quite a feast for the eyes!

It is not too often in life when you can have 8 beautiful women all staring and competing for you...it does seem a bit ridiculous but that was how it went for me...and I am no prize!

Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: raycjs on December 13, 2007, 12:25:51 PM
i just got back only 2 weeks now and i used I used his one-on-one introduction service it was outstanding. i would use him Jamie and his staff will go above and beyond. i had the time of my life he has some really nice women i meet over 50 girls and went on over 12 one on one dates. his service is the best you can pm and i would have no problem talking with you over the phone to tell you more. do not wait go now you will not regret it.

Ray
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Dan on December 13, 2007, 12:30:06 PM
Disclaimer:   Of course anyone can go to Colombia, be overwhelmed by a beautiful woman, propose within 24-72 hours.  That's not what I'm advocating at all (although apparently even that works out sometimes per another PL poster, "DaveyRich" :) ).  As anyone who's followed my posts knows, I advocate doing serious preparation prior to getting married.  Aside from the obvious physical attraction/chemistry/compatability, stuff, primarily this constitutes asking (and answering) a lot of pertinent questions about each other's past, present, and future expectations... a good source for this info is www.MarraigeBuilders.com and a book called "Don't You Dare Get Married Until You Read This".  I don't claim to have all the answers, I just claim to have asked some of the right questions  :)


L4W,

A bit of thread drift here. I have not yet had the opportunity to visit a Marriage Builders seminar, though their reputation is stellar, and I am sure we will attend one day.

We did get the opportunity to attend a "Weekend to Remember" conference sponsored by the Family Life Center (www.familylife.com) and just wanted to pass along our very positive review of the weekend. Ours was held in Estes Park, CO - which all by itself is a romantic setting - but the frank and honest information and challenges presented at the conference are life-changing, and certainly marriage-enhancing.

Importantly - the weekend also entails elements for couples, and even singles, who are not yet married. All by way of preparation for marriage. While much of their material is based on scripture, they are quick to state that the tenets and principles they provide are really quite applicable to people of all faiths, or people with none. The common ground being a sincere interest in creating, and nurturing a living, loving, healthy marriage.

Highly recommended.

- Dan
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: bp on December 13, 2007, 04:35:26 PM
Which agency is Jamie's?
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: catz on December 13, 2007, 04:57:31 PM
His agency is: http://www.latin-wife.com/

You can search by his username (Jamie) to read his posts.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: sean126 on December 13, 2007, 07:03:55 PM
My wife won't let me use the computer but for a minute right now, I will give my response later, but....

I just wanted to mention a few things about Jamie's agency.  Say what you want to about him, but I know from first hand experience as well as from his reputation, that the very minute he finds out a girl on his website has anything less than sincere intentions....she is gone, very fast.  That makes me feel good in highly recommending his agency when ever someone asks.  I've always known him to be honest, generous and as someone who has nothing but the highest standards for his agency.  His prices are a little steep when compared to others....but you get what you paid for (sometimes a little more) as well as a owner who stands behind his services 110%.  I believe he cares about the women in his agency as well as the male customers who utilize his services. 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: mudd on December 13, 2007, 11:33:00 PM
totally agree with Sean126's responce, Jamie runs a very good agency, his staff is very efficient  and one girl there, maria, is a friend of mine who doesn't put up with the girls krap, if she thinks a girl is not honest or is pulling something, she will let you know and so will Jamie. on the other hand, if a client is pulling something, they will tell the girls also, goes both ways!!!!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: raycjs on December 14, 2007, 08:00:40 AM
thanks to Sean i went to see Jamie's agency and Jamie and his staff is outstanding
and honest

ray
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: singlefather no more on December 14, 2007, 09:24:51 AM
Hey raycjs,

Congratulation of just becoming a junior member with your last post..

singlefather
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 11:56:28 AM
I never used his service but I used to date one of his translators and she told me that more then half of the girls in the agency were there to get a visa and that after dates with guys, they would talk to her about the guy and say  stuff like she was going to try to get what she could. This is not fluff, I dated this woman for a while and she was 100% above board  and sincere.

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 11:59:13 AM
I should have added that that is not unusual in any agency, I am sure most are the same, so not singleing out jamies agency, just that I had firsthand Knowelage of it going on.

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: soltero on December 14, 2007, 12:03:56 PM
I am sure if she told you about the girls, then she must have mentioned something about the guys as well. How did she describe any of the guys that flowed through the offices? I am sure each and every one was a real peach.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 12:54:59 PM
LOL

Oh yeh, plenty of guys that were complete social rejects . Works both ways of course.

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Researcher on December 14, 2007, 01:55:57 PM
I never used his service but I used to date one of his translators and she told me that more then half of the girls in the agency were there to get a visa and that after dates with guys, they would talk to her about the guy and say  stuff like she was going to try to get what she could.
KB

    Wow, only more than 50%? sounds like more than 90% of AWs....
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 02:15:56 PM
I am not down on AW like many of you. I have met/dated some very good ladies . My problem with AW is purely physical and nothing to do with the way they treated me. Call me superficial and I will answer, well, yes, so 50% of women only lin an agency to see if they can scoff a visa is a lot worse the AW IMHO.

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: daytrader on December 14, 2007, 02:25:27 PM
...I would use agencies as a way to "get your feet wet"...as I did..then network and use www.latinamericancupid.com  and go from there.  Check out the agencies in Bogota, you will receive a good education about latin women and meet some of the smartest, classy, most educated women on the planet.  Don't limit yourself to agencies, though...you will likely run into some sharks.

You will find 'Colombian Gold' sooner than later by using a variety of methods like these, IMO. 

DayTrader   
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Researcher on December 14, 2007, 02:34:22 PM
    
         I believe what you are saying KB, but I respectfully disagree with the percentages thats all.I have used several agencies over the years while I took my time finding a wife, and one thing I learned is that once I started dating one woman in particular, she started talking bad about all the other women in the agency.They did this to steer me away from the other women.I don't doubt that the lady you dated was sincere,but it is quite common for a woman in an agency(working for them or not) to do this(stretch the truth to keep her man).
         I think I've read that you didn't use an agency and that you don't like them.Could you share more of how you went about finding your lady so that more guys here know there are options other than agencies? I went both routes myself. I also know guys that took out ads in local newspapers in other countries.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: blockbuster on December 14, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
I am not down on AW like many of you. I have met/dated some very good ladies . My problem with AW is purely physical and nothing to do with the way they treated me. Call me superficial and I will answer, well, yes, so 50% of women only lin an agency to see if they can scoff a visa is a lot worse the AW IMHO.

KB

 KB,
 I don't have anything against AW either. I have a lot of friends who are happily married to some and I've dated plenty of really good ones. The great thing about the U.S. is that it has a Heinz57 variety. There are all sorts of women here from all over the world you can meet . Too many people are grouping every woman in the US the same way even immigrant women.

 Now if people are talking about most white women in general ,I would say it's hard to find a really good AW who has looks to boot . But if they are talking about every woman in the U.S. immigrant or not, I say they're being somewhat harsh. Maybe the immigrant women in the U.S. are a bit more choosy in what they look for in a mate now that there are so many men available to them, but in terms of character and making good wives many of them already living here make wonderful wives and mothers.

 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: raycjs on December 14, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
Jamie agency was great and the service was great i even had a few one on one dates with some of his staff. there are sharks in all walks of life so we all have to beware. I still think Jamie's service was outstanding i spent some nights at 1:00 in the morning sitting around talking to Jamie about the girls the service and the business he was there for me anytime i needed him or his staff. so i do not think it would be fair to hold him responsible  for a few bad eggs.

Ray
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 03:24:28 PM
Researcher
I met my wife on cybercupidos.com

I only used an agency my first time to Cali and that was the last time. Once I had my Spanish down pat, i send hundreds of emails to women I thought looked attractive, a cattle car approach if you will and then as I talked to them, weeded them out as I went and the when I had several I thought there might be potential, I planned a trip and met them. Some I had wonderful chemistry with and others not, but I can say I never met a player. All the woman I met were what you would call sincere. But with my command of Spanish I know or knew i should say how to make them take a carrot i dangled in front to them and see how they ran with it. Any that ever asked me for money , help, gifts I promptly blocked them and deleted them from my contacts. My wife, I was one of about 800 men that wrote her on cyber but it was the words I wrote in my letter to her that stood out from the others, I have to say, i can lay on the charm in Spanish as good as any Latin guy can and maybe even better on some parts, regardless, she wrote me and asked for my phone number and 10 minutes later, the phone rang and it was her calling em from Ecuador. We talked for 3 hours about everything under the sun and if i did not know Spanish, she would have not given me the time of day. We talked for 4 months then I went last new years to meet her and we were married in march. The internet personals are time consuming and if you do not have the time to devote to it, it is better to go to an agency. If i were going to use an agency, I would use either Jamie's or the big one in Bogota because for the most part, the rest of them are crap although Cali charm it seems has a decent rep, but I would not date another Calena for all the poker beer in Cali, but that is my preference .

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Jamie on December 14, 2007, 05:29:57 PM
Kiltboy please tell me the translator that you dated that said this because there is no accuracy to this number nor do I believe if this person worked for me that she worked for me very long because my translators keep me abreast of what is going on. I would not retain women with intentions of getting a green card nor would I retain a translator that did not reveal determental information. Your source of information is wrong and if you tell me her name I most likely will be able to provide more information why she is.

The women in International Introductions are not representative of the type of women you will find in other agencies we remove 10-15 girls per week many for behavior we don’t find acceptable so we don’t get a build up of problem women. We removed a very attractive woman this evening who had a good history with the agency solely because she failed to show up for a group introduction and felt because there were other women for the guy to meet she did not need to call. It is very unlikely any other service would do the same or be as intolerant as we are with improper women. The women in International Introductions are at worst representative of the women in Colombia and I could make a good argument better. Most of the women in Colombia and in International Introductions would prefer to live in Colombia with an American then move to the States. Colombian women whose primary objective is leaving Colombia are easy to detect for those with basic observation skills.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 14, 2007, 05:44:48 PM
Jamie

Nothing personal against your agency. All agencys have a ton of visa hunters and there is not much an owner can do exepct try to do what you say when you see or hear of something bad. As far as the translator, I will not reveal who because she is an absolutly wonderful person that told me this in confidence and confidence is where it will stay. You can trust me when I say that she only told me this because it turns her stomache to see this but she likes her job and need employment, so she does what most all people do in every part of the world and keeps her mouth shut and does her job. Again, nothing against your agency as all agencys have a large % of women only looki g to get out of an oppressed economic situation and uses her looks to do so. Barranquilla is no different then any other city that has an agency.

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Jamie on December 14, 2007, 07:25:49 PM
I know you have nothing personal against International Introductions but what this person told you is not factual. If such information really turned her stomach this person would have told me and no employee of mine has ever expressed such an observation.  If I had to make a conjecture I would say this person was only saying this as a screen to cover like intentions she found as you say sickening. Those are very strong words coming from a Colombian for what would be considered tame stuff in a criminal laden land. 

I am also not sure why you feel such information should be held in confidence I would think you would want to be more helpful to the board so they can evaluate the source. This person no longer works for me so the protection is not necessary. Anyone who has worked for me knows people are open to say what they think. I try to hire people with good intentions for helping others and someone with good intention would not hide such information. Your silence only prevents me from providing more details of why she was not telling you the truth. Not all of the translators that have worked for me have been good people and some of the girls who have worked for me and speak English were not translators even though I have heard from other that they claimed to be. There are only 3 translators in 5 years who have the left the agency in good standing and I know you did not date them.

As I indicated we are unlike any other agency and while I do not dispute your opinion regarding agencies as a whole your view does not apply to us in any form.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: soltero on December 14, 2007, 09:13:46 PM
Jamie doesn't seem to be letting this go, KB. Either admit you made it up or spill the beans!  :o
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: blockbuster on December 14, 2007, 10:47:03 PM


 Jaime,
 No disrespect, but women have a way of telling women things they would not tell men.  So I do believe she may have been privy to see what she says.

 As for KB keeping it confidential, I can't blame him/ What good will it do if he discloses her name?

 As for writing  " There are only 3 translators in 5 years who have the left the agency in good standing and I know you did not date them".

 How many did you have within that 5 year period? Why were they fired?  Just curious as it seems you are implying there was a lot and most were dishonest or not very trustworthy.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on December 14, 2007, 11:09:07 PM
No disrepect to anyone personally.  All this Chit chat about "Scamming women" sounds like gossip from people who have not utilized the services of Jamie's agency.  I almost never see any first hand complaints only conjecture or second-hand complaints. 

I have not seen too many people criticize his services or the ladies that we were introduced to.  What I have noticed is that almost all Jamie's clients DEFEND his services.  How many other agencies are posters willing to stick their necks out for?
That should tell people quite alot about the ladies and the experience provided at Jamie's.

Granted there is ALWAYS a % of gals who are not entirely honest, but that is a given with any agency or frankly with women in general.  New travelers to Colombia should be aware and learn ways to spot these "Evil" :D women, because they ALMOST always give themselves away.

In my time with Jamie's agency, I felt the gals were GENERALLY very sincere in their effort to find a decent and attractive man to marry.  As a man there is not much more you can ask for, Is there?

Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: singlefather no more on December 14, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
KB,

Your quote..

“You can trust me when I say that she only told me this because it turns her stomache to see this but she likes her job and need employment, so she does what most all people do in every part of the world and keeps her mouth shut and does her job.”

Inquiring minds want to know.. You seemed to state that she was still working for Jaime. Maybe I misread that?

If that is the case I would ask you to consider the board members who are thinking of going to Jaime like myself and to Jaime and his agency.. You brought this up and I can see how Jamie wants to get to the bottom of the story... I would be p*ssed off if a translator was not being honest with me or with Jamie..

If she does not work for Jamie anymore her job can't be put in jeopardy.. Also could she not have been trying to tell you what you want to hear to get closer to you ? She probably figured out from talking to you that you do not like agency's since you have not been a real fan for a while.. You have a good reason to be with a lot amateur agency organizations out there..

You opened Pandora’s box , can you close it.. I know you don't want to get this girl in trouble but maybe you can talk to Jamie off the board and on the phone or by email..

KB ,

A personal point..

I followed your posts for years and I know you put a lot of effort into finding your wife.. Looks like you made a fantastic choice. I have taken the advice you and others have given and I am learning Spanish…

I will probably be going the agency route since as a single widowed father I don’t have a lot of time away from my kids that I can spend searching.. I don’t want to spin my wheels either. My children really do need a mother figure and a step mom. I cannot be a Mother and a Dad as much as I try too..

I will not settle on a woman just to get my kids a new mom.. If I don’t find the right woman and fall in love with her then I will continue to carry on as a single father…

Jamie,

I have not dealt with you in a long time now.. You were kind enough to try to arrange a meringue(sp?) band for a amiga of mine back in 2005. It did not get arranged since the lady flipped out about it.. A big newbie mistake I made with her..

Jamie you remember that Lady Medical Doctor.. jajaja... crazy woman...

I will have to get down there to see the Senoritas ,Jamie since I still have a credit from that. lmao . My friend raycjs speaks very highly of you..

Good point Researcher,

Researcher quote..

"while I took my time finding a wife, and one thing I learned is that once I started dating one woman in particular, she started talking bad about all the other women in the agency. They did this to steer me away from the other women. I don't doubt that the lady you dated was sincere, but it is quite common for a woman in an agency (working for them or not) to do this (stretch the truth to keep her man)."

singlefather

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Researcher on December 15, 2007, 03:01:04 AM
   Thanks SF, I'm glad you caught that. There are ALOT of available and attractive women in Colombia so there is competition among them. The first thing the women that I was trying to get to know did was get me away from the agency and the other women.They did this by talking bad about them.Of course, when I used an agency I met as many women as I could.Since I speak spanish pretty well I talked to them and got to know them.A few women in Cali just flat out told me the deal and what they were looking for(someone to help support their family back home). I appreciated their honesty and moved on.I know that "green card girls" exist I just don't think there are as many out there as some have stated.My opinion is based on meeting and getting to know several hundred women and speaking to them in their own language as well as living  and working in a latin country for a while.
   I like the idea of using an agency to "get your feet wet" because the thing I found was that finding a woman I wanted be with was ultimately up to me, agency or not.I was the one deciding whether or not the women were on the up and up.I also like KB's approach(KB thanks for the post btw).Learning spanish is definitely well worth it.
   
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: John330 on December 15, 2007, 07:39:35 AM
I should have added that that is not unusual in any agency, I am sure most are the same, so not singleing out jamies agency, just that I had firsthand Knowelage of it going on.

KB
I hear you KB...I dated a girl who worked for Jaime's agency and was a also a member. She told me that many of the women, think the agency is prostitution.  I am not exactly sure what she meant. She was really sweet, but she started keeping tabs on all the other women I was meeting.  Jaime if your reading this...it's probably not a good idea to employ women who are also members of the agency. 

As KB pointed out, it has nothing to do with Jaime's agency.

John
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: John330 on December 15, 2007, 08:34:29 AM
I used his one-on-one introduction service.  I didn't like the idea of sitting at a table with 20 women around me. 

If I had to do it again, I would go with the complete tour package.  I choose a less expensive package, and met some nice girls.  But, as someone else pointed out, you ultimately end up spending more - when you make repeated trips just to meet 2-3 girls.   

I should also mention, that not all the women in Jaime's agency are looking for marriage.  There are definitely some that seem to be interested in improving their lifestyle, by getting 'wined & dined' at a few nice restaurants and perhaps a trip to cartagena/santa marta.  I typically took the woman and the translator to dinner.  Of course, I didn't have to...perhaps it was a mistake. I really like Jaime's translators, because they don't stuff their faces at your expense.  They have class, and they are good at helping you get to know the woman. 

You have to weed out, the less than sincere women.  One thing, that everyone should realize when visiting Colombia...is that there is a certain 'curiosity factor'.  All the women seem to want an American connection, for whatever reason.  They all want a gringo friend/contact...etc.  But that doesn't mean, that they have any sincere or romantic interest in you.  They are simply curious and may be looking for a hookup, when they want something from the states.  Folks that don't understand this, end up wasting their time and getting scammed.  Not all Colombian women, have enough class just to tell you straight-up, "thanks but no thanks".  They will typically try to use you for something.

You figure, a woman isn't gonna sit at a table with 10 other women, unless she is serious. Another reason to go with the top of the line package.  To the contrary, when I used the his service to setup a few one-on-one dates, I met some beautiful women that didn't seem to be very serious. One of these chicks, has been (and still is) on his site for years...she's too beautiful, to be in a marriage agency that long.  . This chick made it clear, that she's not going anywhere, until she finishes college in couple of years.  So, I moved on.   I think the agency is just a lifestyle thing for some of the women. I would avoid the 18-21 age group, as many fall into that category...unless you just want to date some eye candy for fun.  The folks I know that were successful, all date within a 10 year range of their age.  Don't make my mistakes, which I will save for another post.  Actually, I wouldn't call my decisions mistakes, I always had a blast dating beautiful women...and Jamie does deliver! But you can use his service to find a wife and get married...or just spin your wheels, while dating some of the finest women on the planet! Either ain't bad I guess.

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: sean126 on December 15, 2007, 09:08:08 AM
Just to throw in an alternate view....While I didn't date anyone who worked for Jamie, one my best friends and her sister worked for Jamie.  If anyone had went to Jamie's agency before 2005 would definitely know of Tifanny.  She was and probably will always be the best worker and translator he ever had working for him..in my opinion.  She was extremely psychologically insightful, about as much as I am.  She could tell you who was full of crap almost as fast as I could.  We've been close good friends ever since I met her back in 2004-2005.  While she would agree that sometimes a few bad girls sneak in every now and again, his agency and a majority of the women are on the up-n-up.  I've asked her this and a few other translators I've had, point blank.  They've all told me the same thing.  I've met and talked to 4 or 5 translators and they've all spoken quite blunt with me.  No one has ever told me that most of the girls were green card sharks or that his agency is having ANYTHING to do with prostitution.  Actually the prostitution claim is extremely laughable.  While I'm sure there may have been an extreme few that have sneaked in...Out of the 40-45 women that I've met through Jamie's agency I can honestly say...Zero were prostitutes. one was a complete psycho and 2 were what I would call the kind of women he does not want on his site.  The other 40 or so were just there looking for a boyfriend, someone to spoil them occassionally or a marriage. I hope you caught that...."someone to spoil them".  I'm definitely NOT implying sex for favors.  I'm talking about someone who knows they don't want you for a boyfriend...but they will let you take them out because they enjoy your company and sometimes they may just be bored.  There will be no passionate kissing, definitely no sex and you will know after the first date where she stands.  These are the ones that men tend to try to force a spark with and then complain that they've been taken for a ride.

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: singlefather no more on December 15, 2007, 09:39:17 AM
Researcher ,

You made a lot of good points here as always..

By the way your wife is muy bonita.. You are a lucky guy , does she have a sister.lol..

singlefather
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Jamie on December 15, 2007, 10:28:37 AM
Jaime, No disrespect, but women have a way of telling women things they would not tell men.  So I do believe she may have been privy to see what she says.
No disrespect taken but we are not talking about women telling other women things but a woman telling Kiltboy1 a man something. I am surrounded by women all day and I know women. I know my translators I talk to them in private and at times with other translators about the good and bad of what occurred after their client leaves and what we could have done better. Any incidences with the women are noted in their file. Everyone who works for me knows they are expected to maintain a high level of integrity and any employee who does not demonstrate a sincere desire in assisting couples is not retained.

As for this woman being privy to seeing this everyone who works for me including myself would be privy to seeing this if it were true but it is not true.

As for KB keeping it confidential, I can't blame him/ What good will it do if he discloses her name?
This is the equivalent of hearsay and there is a good reason it is not allowed in court. I believe this person tricked Kiltboy1 into believing she was something she was not. For all those concerned with scammers and green card sharks it is my opinion the English speak Colombian women on the dating sites are the most pervasive practitioners. What appears as a very cute, sensitive, caring woman can be a harden deceiver that can guile the most experienced and cautious of men.

As for writing  " There are only 3 translators in 5 years who have the left the agency in good standing and I know you did not date them".
How many did you have within that 5 year period? Why were they fired?  Just curious as it seems you are implying there was a lot and most were dishonest or not very trustworthy.
I am not going to do a count but a high percentage of the work force in Colombia is dishonest. Anyone who has done business here knows this. I go to great effort to search for quality honest people who are closely supervised.

I hear you KB...I dated a girl who worked for Jaime's agency and was a also a member. She told me that many of the women, think the agency is prostitution.  I am not exactly sure what she meant. She was really sweet, but she started keeping tabs on all the other women I was meeting.  Jaime if your reading this...it's probably not a good idea to employ women who are also members of the agency.

I do not allow any woman who works as translators or in the office to be on the website. However for other functions the girls can belong to the agency. Such a situation where girls that work for me are dating clients and sticking their nose where it does not belong has been addressed and will be watch more closely.
As for the prostitution this woman was telling you the perceived perception of what many women in Colombia think of agencies which is true. Most agencies allow all types of trash to work the men often with their cooperation, so the general ill repute of agencies is deserved.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 15, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
Nobody tricked me  and this woman had no reason to lie and was not threatend  by other women because she knew I would never go to an agency anyway. She just told me what some of the women told her, no more, no less. It was not her job to police these women , she was a translator and nothing else. What the women did or did not do was not of concern to her. And really who cares because it is common knowlage and logical that there are scammers in every agency and in every walk of life, I am sure jamie does the best he can to police the scammers, but there is no way that you can get rid of them all. And my friend is just that, a friend and she does not need jamie or anyone else bugging her about things that women said to her, again she is a translator, not a babysitter or whistleblower.This is all I am going to say on this subject as it was not inteneded to start a flame, only to share information .


KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Jamie on December 15, 2007, 03:45:55 PM


Nobody tricked me
I am fairly confident I know who this person is (she was not a translator) and you were tricked.

and this woman had no reason to lie
I all ready told you her reason she wanted to appear like she was not a green card shark. 

She just told me what some of the women told her, no more, no less.

Seems strange to tell someone you don’t know that is translating for a man who is indirectly paying her salary that you intend to use him. I also don’t know how "some of the women" turns into half of the women as you stated she said.

It was not her job to police these women, she was a translator and nothing else.

Anyone who works in the capacity of personally assisting clients are more then just translators I make it very clear to such employees finding someone to translate what he said and what she said is very easy for me to me find but I expect much more then you having good English speaking skills and then I tell them all of what is expected. No one that works for me would say it is not by job without being out of a job.

What the women did or did not do was not of concern to her..
Well you told us it made her sick to her stomach now you are saying it was of no concern to her. So why would something of no concern to her make her sick to her stomach. It now appears, as it was highly unlikely from the beginning, that she was never sick to her stomach and didn’t really care how she performed her job.

And really who cares because it is common knowlage and logical that there are scammers in every agency and in every walk of life, I am sure jamie does the best he can to police the scammers, but there is no way that you can get rid of them all...
The point was you said half the girls in the agency were looking for a green card per this person not that some girls scam. And that point is not true.

And my friend is just that, a friend and she does not need jamie or anyone else bugging her about things that women said to her, again she is a translator, not a babysitter or whistleblower.
If you work for me you are all those things and more. She sounds like someone with a very bad attitude which is why among other things she was let go.

This is all I am going to say on this subject as it was not inteneded to start a flame, only to share information.
I see no flame, sharing incomplete information is not helpful to others trying to make an assessment.

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: rpcv on December 15, 2007, 08:22:57 PM
I never used his service but I used to date one of his translators and she told me that more then half of the girls in the agency were there to get a visa and that after dates with guys, they would talk to her about the guy and say  stuff like she was going to try to get what she could. This is not fluff, I dated this woman for a while and she was 100% above board  and sincere.

KB

I believe what KB says 100% because my own experiences in 6 agencies mirrors it. The reality is that this does occur and guys need to be realistic about this fact. Most folks don't want to believe it and agency owners do not want to admit it. But if you are in the game long enough, meet enough women, befriend several translators (which I have done too), etc, the truth will become obvious to you. Several translators I spoke with were afraid of retribution from their boss for discussing this type of info. But sit with them awhile, and you would be shocked at the kind of info that they are willing to discuss with you. ;)

That being said, would this discourage me from trying my luck at dating in Colombia? Hell no, considering the alternative of AW. But my advice to those starting out on this journey, etc is to be prepared...
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: rpcv on December 15, 2007, 08:25:38 PM
...I would use agencies as a way to "get your feet wet"...as I did..then network and use www.latinamericancupid.com  and go from there.  Check out the agencies in Bogota, you will receive a good education about latin women and meet some of the smartest, classy, most educated women on the planet.  Don't limit yourself to agencies, though...you will likely run into some sharks.

You will find 'Colombian Gold' sooner than later by using a variety of methods like these, IMO. 

DayTrader   

Excellent advice Daytrader!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: rpcv on December 15, 2007, 08:39:56 PM
Most of the women in Colombia and in International Introductions would prefer to live in Colombia with an American then move to the States.

I agree completely. And if you can throw in a better standard of living into the equation, remaining close to friends and family, it makes even more sense..

Colombian women whose primary objective is leaving Colombia are easy to detect for those with basic observation skills.

For some women it is easy to detect if they are obvious (talking about friends/relatives lifestyles in the USA, things they want to have once in the USA, etc.) But others can be more subtle.. 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 15, 2007, 09:22:59 PM
RPCV

I can tell you  are well traveled and observe things well. This goes on in every agency and guys just need to be aware of this. Go enjoy the agency, ask all the tought questions but remember that it is not as simple as an agency website would like to make you think it is, This is a process that can burn the best of men, me included before.  Do your homework before you go and yes, if they have a lot of family and friends here in the USA, take a pass, you will thank yourself

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: blockbuster on December 16, 2007, 12:26:30 AM
 Jaime wrote:
I am not going to do a count but a high percentage of the work force in Colombia is dishonest. Anyone who has done business here knows this. I go to great effort to search for quality honest people who are closely supervised.

 Jaime, if you can say a high percentage of the workforce in Colombia is dishonest, how then can you guarantee very few girls in your agency are not? I'm sure you've taken much more time in hiring translators than picking out agency girls. Yet even you've been fooled with your choice in employees.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JR33 on December 16, 2007, 03:01:11 AM
   Hi Guys,
        I've read this subject and will have to agree with the majority here. I've spent the last few years looking around in Colombia and spent alot of time there. I have several friends, who I trust, that have been to Jamie's agency and they all recommend it. I don't know where all the negative stuff is coming from.Yes, there are women in Colombia looking to get out by marrying some guy....but it is not as common as some say.I heard about this forum from a friend of mine who told me there is alot of good info here, he also said watch out for the negativity.Hey, my philosophy is its all good...it may not be correct....but its all good. I know guys that say every woman in a foriegn country just wants to marry for a green card, there is a FARC rebel behind every corner and drugs are knee deep in the streets of every city in Colombia...these are the same guys who have never been out of the country....I've been to Colombia alot and it ain't like that....
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 16, 2007, 09:23:29 AM
This is not a negative forum. This forum gives both the good and bad and there is a lot of both in this process. You want negative , go hang out at the worldlovecollege, no that is a negative place .


KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Jamie on December 16, 2007, 10:12:26 AM
I believe what KB says 100% because my own experiences in 6 agencies mirrors it.
I believe him also it is not what KB said but what the source he is quoting said and I also agree you will experience problems with most agencies.

Jaime, if you can say a high percentage of the workforce in Colombia is dishonest, how then can you guarantee very few girls in your agency are not?

I make no guarantees regarding any of the women it is up to the man to determine the woman’s character and honesty. I had a woman just come in the office for a phone call with a client. During that call the woman revealed she had 3 children yet her profile indicates no children. After the phone call I pulled her application which she filled out and showed her where she wrote she had no children. When I asked her to explain this she told me she couldn’t. She obviously lied all I can do at this point is remove her. If you were familiar with my prior writings you would see I am on record in stating that most of the women lie and most of the Colombian women in Colombia are not suitable marriage material for my typical client.  Your objective for coming to Colombia to find a wife should be to find the gems of Colombia not your average Colombian woman. Guys who come down to meet 1 or 2 girls are doomed for failure 90% of the time. The answer to the high percentage of unsuitable Colombian women is to meet many women within your criteria to increase the odds of finding a Colombian gem this is what our service is geared towards.

I'm sure you've taken much more time in hiring translators than picking out agency girls. Yet even you've been fooled with your choice in employees.
I would not say I was fooled one is not able to determine the quality of the person and their work simply from an interview as the owner of the Falcons well knows. So I will test people at work to see how they perform. Those that demonstrate what I am looking for are retained those that don’t are not or they may be held to a limited role based on specific skills they do well.  The person I believe KB is referring to had a limited role as a written translator with minimum contact with clients. Others have shown to do good work but flaws over time came up outside of the duties requiring their dismissal.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: raycjs on December 16, 2007, 11:50:33 AM
I used Jamie's service and found it to be outstanding. I meet 40-50 girls and i went out on over 12 one on one dates. everyone of the women that took my email address is still writing to me. I was given over 30 phone numbers and email address from the girls that had interest in me. not one of the girls i met was in a hurry to move to the US. they would of course to persue a marrage but would rather stay with there fairly in Colombia. i dated one on Jamie's staff and she was outstanding. i found the women there to be very respectful and proud to be a Colombian i also did not find any one of them willing to go to bed just for the sake of having sex. and most of my dates the girls ate very lite or not at all.
i would recommend Jamie's service to anyone. Just pm me and i will let you know the details. Also everything Sean123 told me about Jamie was 100% true. Thanks to all me new friends i a finding happiness in Colombia. Jamie keep up the great work and the outstanding service.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: bigstew33 on December 16, 2007, 12:07:48 PM
After talking to Singlefather e convinced me to write what I know about Jaimie's agency.  I never used the agency but I did date a girl that worked in the office.  Today I fond out she is not there any more.  But she told me that Jaimie is very strict with the women that work for him.  When I first heard this I thought ah he is an A-Hole.  But after hearing from some people I know, and guys from here that he is that way because he runs a tight ship.  So if he finds a shady girl he gets rid of them.  He has the guys best interest at heart.  Tomorrow morning I am moving on up to Barranquilla from Bogota. 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JR33 on December 16, 2007, 01:46:05 PM
This is not a negative forum. This forum gives both the good and bad and there is a lot of both in this process. You want negative , go hang out at the worldlovecollege, no that is a negative place .


KB

   "Easy big fella" I only said I was a told to look out for the negativity, thats all.I was also told it was a good forum.After reading many posts on many subjects I agree with ya "this forum gives both the good and bad"....

 I agree with ya rpcv:
 That being said, would this discourage me from trying my luck at dating in Colombia? Hell no, considering the alternative of AW.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Researcher on December 16, 2007, 02:04:28 PM
After talking to Singlefather e convinced me to write what I know about Jaimie's agency.  I never used the agency but I did date a girl that worked in the office.  Today I fond out she is not there any more.  But she told me that Jaimie is very strict with the women that work for him.  When I first heard this I thought ah he is an A-Hole.  But after hearing from some people I know, and guys from here that he is that way because he runs a tight ship.  So if he finds a shady girl he gets rid of them.  He has the guys best interest at heart.  Tomorrow morning I am moving on up to Barranquilla from Bogota. 

   Hey BigStew, good to hear from you.I hope your trip is going well.I will be heading to Bogota at the end of the month myself.

   I just read your post earlier SingleFather...my wife has a sister but she is married.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: singlefather no more on December 17, 2007, 06:51:38 PM
Researcher ,

Oh well out of luck there.. lol

I salute your success and happiness Sir Researcher..

singlefather
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on December 17, 2007, 07:13:47 PM
SF

Love you pic of the HIGHLANDER, being a Scot decendant myself, I love those movies. I loved the series with Adrian Paul too, he was a BADASS !
I still think they screwed up by not giving Adrian Paul the JAMES BOND role in the last movie. He is the only guy I have seen that has the look of SIR SEAN CONNERY , and would have killed. Again, love the pic

KB
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on December 17, 2007, 07:33:31 PM
SF

Love you pic of the HIGHLANDER, being a Scot decendant myself, I love those movies. I loved the series with Adrian Paul too, he was a BADASS !
I still think they screwed up by not giving Adrian Paul the JAMES BOND role in the last movie. He is the only guy I have seen that has the look of SIR SEAN CONNERY , and would have killed. Again, love the pic

KB

Damn SF! I actually thought that pic was you .  I have never seen the Highlander movies although I have heard about them!

Fathertime!  
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: singlefather no more on December 17, 2007, 08:04:42 PM
fathertime,

I am much more ugly then that pic.. I am 4'6" , 265 lbs.. lmao

How the heck do I upload a picture as my Avatar here from my Computer ?

singlefather
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: catz on December 17, 2007, 08:15:09 PM
fathertime,

I am much more ugly then that pic.. I am 4'6" , 265 lbs.. lmao

How the heck do I upload a picture as my Avatar here from my Computer ?

singlefather

Personal CP --> Forum Profile Information
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 06, 2010, 07:36:57 PM
This thread has been really helpful to me.  Are there any others who wish to share their experience or post best practices as far as dealing with his agency?
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 06, 2010, 08:02:50 PM
Also is there anyone who has a success story they wish to share (as in used Jamie's service and ended up in marriage?)   I noticed that a few people said they were willing to be private messages so I will try that route also.  if anyone has any information they wish to share in private (good or bad) please feel free to pm me.

Thanks!

Also last question what does the acronym AW stand for?  I have seen it a few times but not sure what it means.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on June 06, 2010, 09:47:03 PM
Also is there anyone who has a success story they wish to share (as in used Jamie's service and ended up in marriage?)   I noticed that a few people said they were willing to be private messages so I will try that route also.  if anyone has any information they wish to share in private (good or bad) please feel free to pm me.

Thanks!

Also last question what does the acronym AW stand for?  I have seen it a few times but not sure what it means.

AW is american woman.
I had a good experience using latinwife.com (jamie's agency) found my adoring wife from the site...having first child together later this year...jamie can give you plenty of very attractive women to choose from, and he can do it in a hurry...just try to make a good call on who is sincere and who is going to work for you....if you choose well, you will be singing the website's praises as well.

good luck,

Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: michaelb on June 06, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_3yeQeBOAI
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 07, 2010, 07:38:21 AM
AW is american woman.
I had a good experience using latinwife.com (jamie's agency) found my adoring wife from the site...having first child together later this year...jamie can give you plenty of very attractive women to choose from, and he can do it in a hurry...just try to make a good call on who is sincere and who is going to work for you....if you choose well, you will be singing the website's praises as well.

good luck,

Fathertime!

Thank you.  How much on top of Jamie's fee's did the entire experience run you?  I am sure there are plane tickets, english lessons, visa, etc.  I am just trying to get a feel for how much I will need to come up with on top of what i will need to pay Jamie.  I will probably do the 3 day tour so I can meet as many women as possible as quickly as possible.  As I posted in another thread I am teaching myself spanish and I do not plan to do this for another 11 months so I am jsut trying to get a feel for things.

Again any feedback is appreciated and FT congrats man.  That is an amazing success story.  Good luck with your child I can't wait to be married and have one of my own!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 07, 2010, 07:40:44 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_3yeQeBOAI

lmaooooooo great song btw.  They actually released a dvd set in 2k7 from vegas
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 08, 2010, 05:29:07 PM
I think your last is a difficult question where a lot of variables can change the answer. Air fare? That´s easy to look up but changes every day. How many follow up trips will you make to court her after the first one when you meet her? Skip English lessons. They are of almost no value in Colombia unless the girl has a couple of years to get through level eight. Even that isn´t equivelent to a couple of months imersion in the US. Visa costs. That´s easy to look up too but will you marry in Colombia or ask for a fiance visa and how many trips to the US Embassy and will you go with her for the interview? And later...how much will she expect you to send her family? Seriously though it will likely be a very, very expensive project and a lot of guys drop out because of the high costs. Be prepared.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on June 08, 2010, 06:13:12 PM
Thank you.  How much on top of Jamie's fee's did the entire experience run you?  I am sure there are plane tickets, english lessons, visa, etc.  I am just trying to get a feel for how much I will need to come up with on top of what i will need to pay Jamie.  I will probably do the 3 day tour so I can meet as many women as possible as quickly as possible.  As I posted in another thread I am teaching myself spanish and I do not plan to do this for another 11 months so I am jsut trying to get a feel for things.

Again any feedback is appreciated and FT congrats man.  That is an amazing success story.  Good luck with your child I can't wait to be married and have one of my own!

thank you playtowin,
in so far as how much you will pay for your initial trip...you have to consider lodging which will cost you 100 a night at jamie's ( i recommend the apartment)  if you need a translator that could cost you another 80 per day...On top of these types of things, you will need perhaps another 50 dollars a day for incidentals... long term, if you are lucky enough to find a match for yourself..you are looking at much more money for things such as a return trip, a ring, hotel, airfare, etc etc...the visa process will set you back another several grand from door to door...all in all i think a person can expect to spend 10-20k on this over the course of a couple years....is it worth it?  If you can find your woman, it is worth it without a doubt!! 
good luck,
Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 08, 2010, 06:35:07 PM
I think your last is a difficult question where a lot of variables can change the answer. Air fare? That´s easy to look up but changes every day. How many follow up trips will you make to court her after the first one when you meet her? Skip English lessons. They are of almost no value in Colombia unless the girl has a couple of years to get through level eight. Even that isn´t equivelent to a couple of months imersion in the US. Visa costs. That´s easy to look up too but will you marry in Colombia or ask for a fiance visa and how many trips to the US Embassy and will you go with her for the interview? And later...how much will she expect you to send her family? Seriously though it will likely be a very, very expensive project and a lot of guys drop out because of the high costs. Be prepared.

Hi.  Thank you for taking the time to reply.  The airfare is not a problem (I realize it changes daily).  How many follow up trips is the norm I guess is my question.  Ok I will skip the English lessons (thanks for the suggestion).  By that time (by the time she gets here.  My Spanish will be decent anyway, however I will expect her to learn English).  The actual Visa costs money? (probably sounds stupid but I had no clue, I thought you just petitioned for one, obviously why I am here gathering info).  I will not marry here there as based on my cursory research this does not seem the way most people go.  I will marry her here.  Is it better if I go with her to the interview?  What does that buy me? (metaphorically obviously ha!).  It does sound very expensive.  Also what if you dont find the right one when you are there?  It is not like I can fly down to Colombia every weekend.  I would never be able to afford that and I will not be able to take weeks on end off of work. I am not lucky enough to be in a business where I can do that :(




thank you playtowin,
in so far as how much you will pay for your initial trip...you have to consider lodging which will cost you 100 a night at jamie's ( i recommend the apartment)  if you need a translator that could cost you another 80 per day...On top of these types of things, you will need perhaps another 50 dollars a day for incidentals... long term, if you are lucky enough to find a match for yourself..you are looking at much more money for things such as a return trip, a ring, hotel, airfare, etc etc...the visa process will set you back another several grand from door to door...all in all i think a person can expect to spend 10-20k on this over the course of a couple years....is it worth it?  If you can find your woman, it is worth it without a doubt!! 
good luck,
Fathertime!

Hi again,
So 100 a night for 14 days is 1400 + his package which is 1400 roughly.  Thats 2800 with a translator for 3 days.  So I will need a translator for 11 days which is 880 just in translation.  700 in incidentals so thats 4340 just on the intial trip (without airfare).  I guess, again my question, is what is the norm as far as trips go (meaning how long does the average person go), let's say you meet the right girl the first time (how many subsequent trips after that).  I can't afford to drop that much money several times a year.   (Maybe i am too poor?).  I agree if you find the woman of your dream it is worth it.  How long does the process usually take? 

FT (or anyone else who has spent money on this path) if you dont mind me asking you some personal questions (feel free to respond in PM if that make the person answering more comfortable), how much time (cumulative months) + trips did it take for you and what was your total cost?  If you have not found the woman of your dreams yet (not FT I know he is good to go but anyone else) perhaps you could give a running time in months, trips & total cost thus far.  Again if these are things you do not wish to share publicly feel free to pm me. I do not have 20k of disposable income right now so maybe I am too poor to do this.  I did not think it would cost that much money. 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 08, 2010, 07:55:44 PM
P2W I notice you said it´ll be eleven months  before your trip. That would give you time to take a Spanish course at your local community college. You could pair that with a private tutor and have a lot of Spanish under your belt by the time of your trip.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: play2win on June 08, 2010, 08:16:54 PM
P2W I notice you said it´ll be eleven months  before your trip. That would give you time to take a Spanish course at your local community college. You could pair that with a private tutor and have a lot of Spanish under your belt by the time of your trip.

Hi.  If I can afford the trip at this point lmao!!!! (Another thread told me to expect to spend about 20k).  Right now I am using a combination of the following software: http://www.rosettastone.com/learn-spanish & http://www.fluenz.com/languages/spanish/learn-spanish/index.html

What's interesting is most people are familiar with Rosetta Stone but research has shown me it is not the best program it is actually just the best marketed one.  I did a fair amount of research regarding Spanish software and they all said the same thing (Rosetta is good but not the best).  Here is one site I liked but this is not the sole site I used to evaluate Spanish software: http://learn-spanish-software-review.toptenreviews.com/

Both pieces of software apply different approaches.  I am combing that with various cd's from friends & eventually in about a month or so I will begin practicing with my Colombian & puerto rican friends.

I am doing both since I got them for free & since I feel have time (11 months). 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 19, 2010, 03:59:10 PM
I agree with anywhere from $10-20K amount from start to end. I met my fiancee through Jamie's and my ex was through his place also. His cost was the least of the amount. The other cost is for airfare, hotels, ring, Visa costs.

I think it is worth it though. I would have spent much more than that with three year's worth of heavy relationships here in the States. And it would not have been nearly as fun! ;)

I think it takes a minimum of four good trips to really know what you are getting into with a woman from Colombia.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Gato4Astrid on June 19, 2010, 04:18:07 PM
I do not believe in using translators!  I believe in trying to work things out between you too.    3 years ago, I went to Cali with ACG, and had a date with a lady (with translator) and another lady (without translator).

Guess what?  I got on well with the lady without translator.  She was willingly to learn and work out.   It felt real.

The lady with translator - she was quite lazy - looking at translator most of the time!!
She wasn't really aware or show seriousness in language difference.
 
   
 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Gato4Astrid on June 19, 2010, 04:27:12 PM
Play2Win

I have never been to Jamie's Agency, but I was told that he is the best.  Being the best agency does not guarantee you 100% success.  It depends on you and the lady you have picked.

I have paid for 10 ladies  "Who Is Interested In Me?"  (This is no longer available on sale).  And had 4 or 5 of them in my facebook lists (now deleted them) and they are all 'party' type girls and showed "in a relationships".   2 of them are still in Jamie's lists! 

Just be aware to whom you will choose?  hot girl? 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Zon on June 19, 2010, 04:35:57 PM
"I think it takes a minimum of four good trips to really know what you are getting into with a woman from Colombia."

Ya think?!?!?   OF COURSE IT TAKES THAT AND MORE

I am not trying to be a smart A$$ ... but JESUS people! 

This is not a transaction, and the sooner you figure that out the better.  You are not getting to know the REAL PERSON by a flippin mile when you fly in, and are able to spend a couple grand ... meanwhile the nice, well meaning lady is "happy" and balanced" in her natural state.  Even in the best of situations (meaning intentions) there is a felling like someone is winning the lottery, or at least getting a dream job.  You know what I mean?  Do you know how important status and money is in Colombia?  More than I can express here in words

If the woman is interested in re-located (which strongly implies borderline desperate).  She is on her best behavior.  And will remain so for as long as she can stand it.  This can last months, even years.

Happily, not all women desire re-location as a first choice.  These are better prospects if you ask me.




Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 19, 2010, 07:24:43 PM
All the women who are available through any agency including those in Barranquilla are looking to relocate to the United States or Europe. What part of that could anyone here not understand. They do not sign up at agencies with the expectation of finding a North American or European man (with wealth and status ja ja ja) who has a lovely home in a strata six barrio in some city in Colombia. JESUS PEOPLE. Priority one is get out of Colombia. Subsequent priorities are finding a stable provider for their children by an irresponsible Colombian guy, someone who will send money to their family in Colombia and lastly be with a man who can offer them a substantially higher standard of living than the last Colombian boyfriend who dumped them for a younger prettier chica.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on June 19, 2010, 09:48:15 PM
My thought is without living with the woman you a person won't know enough to make this a safe bet. If a person has a good feeling about the woman after a trip or two and wants to roll the dice, it is not the worst call.  A far worse decision is to paralyze yourself and never get off the pot for fear of making a mistake.  All this is dependent on the person having decent judgement in the first place.  I've noticed through the years that not everybody can say they have this judgement.  What is unfortunate is the people that do have the poor judgement don't have the sense to realize that their judgement is poor.  These people are pretty much doomed to screw up if they find the finances to see it all through.



Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 19, 2010, 11:47:29 PM
All the women who are available through any agency including those in Barranquilla are looking to relocate to the United States or Europe. What part of that could anyone here not understand. They do not sign up at agencies with the expectation of finding a North American or European man (with wealth and status ja ja ja) who has a lovely home in a strata six barrio in some city in Colombia. JESUS PEOPLE. Priority one is get out of Colombia. Subsequent priorities are finding a stable provider for their children by an irresponsible Colombian guy, someone who will send money to their family in Colombia and lastly be with a man who can offer them a substantially higher standard of living than the last Colombian boyfriend who dumped them for a younger prettier chica.
I have made 15 trips now to Colombia and by far I have met more women who would prefer to stay in Colombia if I could make my business and bring my children to live there. If they are dying to come to the States, that is a big red flag for me. It would mean there is a pretty good chance the girl is an "interesada" and you are just a vehicle to get her to the next level.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 19, 2010, 11:55:24 PM
Zon: I figure most guys who are serious would travel every three months or so. So if they made 4 trips, that is an entire year of MSN, hotmail, face to face time, cell phones, facebook, etc.

If a guy needs much more time than that, they are either not very serious, or not very intelligent, or both.

After four trips or a year of knowing someone, you should be ready to roll the dice or not. Because just as you mentioned in your post, when you are coming there they are on their best behavior, and no matter if you make 4 or 14 trips, they can be "on their best behavior" during the trips and you will never know what the real deal is.

Sooner or later you need to get off the sidelines and get in the game. If all looks pretty good, give it a chance. It is the only way you will ever know for sure. You cannot know anything for sure with a long distance relationship when she is on her home turf.

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Zon on June 20, 2010, 05:19:01 AM
Zon: I figure most guys who are serious would travel every three months or so. So if they made 4 trips, that is an entire year of MSN, hotmail, face to face time, cell phones, facebook, etc.

Point well taken.  A year of communication and visits is about all most people could reasonably do.

And you have to keep your good judgment about you, of course.  There is a strong implicit statement within these threads and the marriage agency hype that over simplifies finding a suitable mate and the creation of a marriage.  Remember, when the Gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers.  Without it a guy is having a little sobriety, he is screwed.

I saw this personally, time and time again.  It was comical actually.  A guy would be in Colombia for maybe 2 hours and then begin "wife hunting" while looking at the calendar mindful of the fact that he would only be in country 7 days.  Often times these men were repeat visitors. The purpose of their trip was to find a wife, but the result of their trip was a male adult version of Spring Break.   Often with disappointment sprinkled in between.  So, my critical comments were intended to provide a balance.  That is all.

Bien Suerte

Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 20, 2010, 05:25:22 AM
I have made 15 trips now to Colombia and by far I have met more women who would prefer to stay in Colombia if I could make my business and bring my children to live there. If they are dying to come to the States, that is a big red flag for me. It would mean there is a pretty good chance the girl is an "interesada" and you are just a vehicle to get her to the next level.

Sure they like to be with their families etc. but they don´t join agencies expecting to meet foreign men who have moved to Colombia. They join with the expectation that they´ll have a chance to get to the US or Europe.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Gato4Astrid on June 20, 2010, 06:55:13 AM
Sure they like to be with their families etc. but they don´t join agencies expecting to meet foreign men who have moved to Colombia. They join with the expectation that they´ll have a chance to get to the US or Europe.

I have to agree with JimD on this matter.  These girls who expect men to move and live in Colombia - must be very unintelligent girls!

FIRST RULE:
How will he make a living when he move to Colombia  (unless he is retired or have a business in Colombia or already have sufficient of savings!)

I have met few ladies who expected me to live with her in Colombia.  My 1st question to her was a simple one  "What work will I do in Colombia?"  They, all say, "I do not know"
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Zon on June 20, 2010, 07:59:21 AM
When you live in Colombia, you see many of the "most eligible" (yes I mean physically attractive / ambition / willing to learn English / and quite often part time prepagos) women who are in agencies living in the city - shopping; out on the town.  There These girls are very active and have many many choices.  THERE ARE SUCCESSFUL MEN IN COLOMBIA THAT ARE SEEKING THESE SAME WOMEN.

If a woman comes from a good family, and is intelligent, maybe even rich ... don't expect her to want to leave Colombia.  To think that ALL women - especially the most desirable in agencies / most likely outside - are motivated by escape is incorrect.

Now girls that are struggling, living in a low strata barrio, and essentially desperate - well, yes a ticket out of hell is a great way to spice up one's dating life.  That is why there are so many train wrecks when AM meet and marry poor girls.    Many of these women - unfortunately - have been abused since childhood. 

Of course, there are nice girls in agencies too, but be careful and approach with a balanced understanding.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 20, 2010, 08:17:05 AM
Sure they like to be with their families etc. but they don´t join agencies expecting to meet foreign men who have moved to Colombia. They join with the expectation that they´ll have a chance to get to the US or Europe.
At the beginning of this process I would have agreed with you. Simply based on the fact that logically that is what you or I would do, join an agency with hopes at escaping a bad situation. But the reality is that most are not trying to leave at all. And many are hoping to find a guy with enough cash or business savvy that they could live in Colombia and set up a small business there or something. At least the majority of girls I have met. They are not really so rational like you or I. That is a huge difference I see between women from the States and Colombia.

If you don't believe me, go to a "real agency" like Jamies and go out on some dates and ask the women these things. And you will find out the truth. If you only use sites such as Colombiancupid.com and things like that, you will meet mostly prepago/interesada types and for sure they will be dying to come to the States ASAP.

Colombia was voted #1 or 2 as the "happiest people" in the world recently. They love Colombia and the life there even though they may be poor. I don't think the girls are trying to "escape" anything, I think they guys there are just simply not very marraige minded and would prefer to have a virtual harem of hotties and not commit to any one girl.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 20, 2010, 08:20:35 AM
I have to agree with JimD on this matter.  These girls who expect men to move and live in Colombia - must be very unintelligent girls!

FIRST RULE:
How will he make a living when he move to Colombia  (unless he is retired or have a business in Colombia or already have sufficient of savings!)

I have met few ladies who expected me to live with her in Colombia.  My 1st question to her was a simple one  "What work will I do in Colombia?"  They, all say, "I do not know"
They expect us to continue being what most of us are in the first place: Smart, savvy, businessmen with experience and ability to make things happen. If there are Colombians doing OK with business there, then they think it should be no problem for us to do the same.

Also they think that we have cash saved up. Which is true for the most part, because otherwise, how are we making expensive trips down there like we do?

Especially with the internet the way it is, they are thinking "maybe it is possible they can move here".

I have met a lot of guys who have done that exact thing.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 20, 2010, 08:44:54 AM
Colombian women are gorgeous but they are also far more devious than what we are accustomed to in the US. Any gringo would be wise to take anything a colombiana says with a few grains of salt.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Alabamaboy! on June 20, 2010, 10:53:05 AM
Jim D, you are right with that one! I tell them straight up that I have witnessed a huge number of liars there, and my Colombian friends themselves advise me not to believe anything there. So I just make it known that I will only believe things I can see with my own eyes. And even then it has to happen for some time before I start to trust them. If they are offended by this, oh well. If I were them, I would do the same thing with dealing with gringos because I have heard some crazy stories about us as well.

Just base the whole relationship on actions and not words. And ask around. Do your due diligence or you may pay a high price later.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: JimD on June 20, 2010, 11:17:17 AM
Well said AB.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Gato4Astrid on June 20, 2010, 11:57:12 AM
AB

I know about Colombianas that have told too many lies ..............  I prefer to catch their liars rather than what other people have told me or tried to tell me.

My ex-prometida, Liz Cortez from Bogota had told me too many lies.  One day, I caught her in 'Badoo' looking for boyfriend.  She accidently invited me in my 'work' e-mail address which she never knew about, but did not invite to my personal e-mail.  I decided to make a fake profile and fake photo.  I asked her if she has a boyfriend or is married.  She said "If I have a boyfriend, I wouldn't be here" - and she gave the 'fake' me her phone number! Lol

A month later, I decided to confront her, but she denied that she has a profile.  She told me that she hasn’t been there for 3 years.  What a poor liar!

1 – Badoo always shows when they were online last

2 – Her photo wasn’t even a year old let alone 3 years!  (It was taken 8 months prior)

Every time when she was online MSN, her profile in Badoo was always online at the same time! 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Pivery on June 20, 2010, 12:57:48 PM

 Not all women from the lower barrios want to leave the country. My lady is from estrato 3 and could care less about the states. All she was concerned with
was that the man who proposed to her would be sincere and not end up like the Colombian dogs that have two or more women on the side.

A gold digger or a woman wanting only a visa outside of L.A. can be either from a rich or poor upbringing.

Stupidity and greed has no boundaries to what estrato the women come from.

Pivery
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: whitey on June 20, 2010, 04:11:53 PM
Not all women from the lower barrios want to leave the country. My lady is from estrato 3 and could care less about the states. All she was concerned with
was that the man who proposed to her would be sincere and not end up like the Colombian dogs that have two or more women on the side.

Are we going out with the same woman, Pivery?  ;)

My fiance will be moving here to Canada after we are married for several years until we can hopefully move to Colombia for at least half the year.  She's happy and has a good life in Colombia, and would be much rather I was moving there instead.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Pivery on June 20, 2010, 06:16:47 PM

 Not the same woman Whitey, but the same QUALITY of woman. They do exist and with a bit of luck and perseverance, the men who are looking
for a quality woman will also be abe to find one as well.

The estrato where the woman is from, going alone, using an agency or finding one in a chat room - none of these factors matter. What matters is
that you go into this thing with your head screwed on, not listening to the hype (one way or another) and be willing to spend some time and money.

If you are willing to do these things, finding a wife from wherever will be more the norm and not the exception. 8)

Pivery
















Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on June 20, 2010, 10:45:13 PM
Zon: I figure most guys who are serious would travel every three months or so. So if they made 4 trips, that is an entire year of MSN, hotmail, face to face time, cell phones, facebook, etc.

If a guy needs much more time than that, they are either not very serious, or not very intelligent, or both.

After four trips or a year of knowing someone, you should be ready to roll the dice or not. Because just as you mentioned in your post, when you are coming there they are on their best behavior, and no matter if you make 4 or 14 trips, they can be "on their best behavior" during the trips and you will never know what the real deal is.

 

I'm going to have to agree with Alabamaboy on this one.  Sadly for many of us, once we get the world by the tail, we don't have it that way for long. The number of good healthy years can be counted on two hands maybe throw in a foot or two if you are a little younger or lucky.  There is a consequence for being overly cautious and that is that time keeps going by and some of the remaining healthy years are spent alone without a wife or family. 
Of course all of this matters less if you are not all that interested in marriage and/or children with your latina babe.  In that case, taking time and playing for field for an extended period of time makes perfect sense.

Fathertime!
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: chameleon on July 13, 2011, 02:07:21 PM
I'm going to have to agree with Alabamaboy on this one.  Sadly for many of us, once we get the world by the tail, we don't have it that way for long. The number of good healthy years can be counted on two hands maybe throw in a foot or two if you are a little younger or lucky.  There is a consequence for being overly cautious and that is that time keeps going by and some of the remaining healthy years are spent alone without a wife or family. 
Of course all of this matters less if you are not all that interested in marriage and/or children with your latina babe.  In that case, taking time and playing for field for an extended period of time makes perfect sense.

Fathertime!


I was just reading up on some old threads about Jaime's service and I like this post. FT is pretty good about adding perspective to any question, and I'm not ashamed to say that a couple of his posts have altered the way I think about marriage, what I want from a wife, etc.


I'm 31. I've dated a lot of women in my home country, most of them attractive, some very successful, etc. I'm not married but I do want to be. I feel like I'm missing out by not being married. I want to start building the rest of my life. My life is unbalanced and I don't want what should be the best years of my life to keep passing by alone with my only focus being on work.


An agency will allow me to meet as many girls in a weekend that are interested in marriage as I would meet in 2 years of regular dating. It's a pretty simple decision for me.


I also think that the cost of dating internationally is not as high as some might believe, relative to the cost of dating locally, which some people forget isn't free.


As for getting to know someone and how long that takes, consider this. If things go well it's possible that in a year you'll spend 2-4 concentrated weeks with someone, plus all the phone/webcam time. In regular dating where you see each other once or twice a week for a couple to few hours and probably don't spend nearly as much time on the phone/web together, I think it actually takes longer, unless you actually live together.


And btw, living together prior to marriage is positively correlated with higher divorce rates. It's surprising but has been verified in multiple studies.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: fathertime on July 13, 2011, 03:53:24 PM

I was just reading up on some old threads about Jaime's service and I like this post. FT is pretty good about adding perspective to any question, and I'm not ashamed to say that a couple of his posts have altered the way I think about marriage, what I want from a wife, etc.


I'm 31. I've dated a lot of women in my home country, most of them attractive, some very successful, etc. I'm not married but I do want to be. I feel like I'm missing out by not being married. I want to start building the rest of my life. My life is unbalanced and I don't want what should be the best years of my life to keep passing by alone with my only focus being on work.


An agency will allow me to meet as many girls in a weekend that are interested in marriage as I would meet in 2 years of regular dating. It's a pretty simple decision for me.


I also think that the cost of dating internationally is not as high as some might believe, relative to the cost of dating locally, which some people forget isn't free.


As for getting to know someone and how long that takes, consider this. If things go well it's possible that in a year you'll spend 2-4 concentrated weeks with someone, plus all the phone/webcam time. In regular dating where you see each other once or twice a week for a couple to few hours and probably don't spend nearly as much time on the phone/web together, I think it actually takes longer, unless you actually live together.


And btw, living together prior to marriage is positively correlated with higher divorce rates. It's surprising but has been verified in multiple studies.
Chameleon!

Thanks for breathing life back into this ancient thread, that started in 2007 when we were all mere puppies here!  I'm glad you found some useful thoughts within the thread!  It is somewhat fascinating to see how parts of ideologies regarding women evolve over time and how other parts don't change much!
Fathertime! 
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: 5Alive on January 22, 2016, 05:34:05 AM
I am not down on AW like many of you. I have met/dated some very good ladies . My problem with AW is purely physical and nothing to do with the way they treated me. Call me superficial and I will answer, well, yes, so 50% of women only lin an agency to see if they can scoff a visa is a lot worse the AW IMHO.

KB

Oh really, so many of them plan to leave after they get their visa? How do you weed these women out?
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: Kiltboy1 on January 22, 2016, 07:38:56 AM
Oh really, so many of them plan to leave after they get their visa? How do you weed these women out?

Wow

That post was a long time ago, but I would say that this still applies.

Weed them out by spending as much time around them as you can and their family. Observe their culture, habits, work ethic and take notes on how many times they ask you for money, or help for their family.If you get that a lot, then move on.I did not take that advice with my Ex Colombian wife but I lived in my Ecuadorian wife's home with her family for 6 weeks  before making a decision to marry her and we are almost 10 years now married.

But if you only have a few weeks a couple of times a year to spend with the lady, the chances you will get burned are astronomical. IMHO
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: robert angel on January 22, 2016, 04:29:26 PM
Oh really, so many of them plan to leave after they get their visa? How do you weed these women out?

Be leery, but not pessimistic. A bit afraid, but not scared witless.

I realize it's not common for guys to have a few weeks to go abroad twice in the same year and of course, none of this is inexpensive. But in the meantime, I recommend really jumping in the pool and meeting as many women on-line and abroad for at least a good year. By then, start weaning down from hundreds to dozens and then to a handful, until you are communicating everyday via phone and webcam. Getting to that point and having had real, face to face time, you can begin to think seriously.

Aside from the on-line and the regular 'boots on the ground' approach, Jamie has a good reputation and a number of guys here have gotten good results there--I wouldn't rule out agencies. Seems typically that the guys who had bad luck w/ Jamie's services didn't listen to his advice. If you've got the money and they've got good advice, take their good advice objectively and they'll take your money fairly, should you pick a sound agency.


It might not be fair (not that love and war is) but judge her also by her friends and family. If they're full of dysfunction and drama, no matter how far she moves, part of that will follow her.

Some guys live for the fight, liking a feisty woman--having blow ups and then great sex after. From what I've seen and heard, it sounds quite possible to have the later part, w/o having lots of arguments and dramas. It might be more common in Asia to have an 'even' temperament--but we have a number of guys here successfully in long term with Latinas who don't mention flying plates, or flaming curtains.

You get down to finalist territory and you ought to know each other's schedule like clockwork and expect zero excuses, zero ambiguity.

If you're serious, she ought to know it and vice versa, and she shouldn't be giving you an ultimatum, unless you're stringing her out for yearS and not visiting, not following up on promises.

Players get played.

If she expects financial support and has designs on how you should handle your schedule and your finances, run. Even a  good woman of very modest means will try to not come across as needy and she should be too proud to beg, out of her own self respect.

But I think it's safe to say that the more time you take, while being acutely aware of red flags, little things that could be big things later on, the better your chances of not getting bit by a green card shark. Or ---and it'd hurt almost as much, hurt by a woman who simply had no idea she'd hate living with you and where you are at geographically--that her family, culture--maybe the weather and city, are things she misses more than you. After a while, the honeymoon euphoria ends and reality can be a cold bitch slap.

Get to know her, her bad moods and be sure to show your ass and admit your shortcomings so hopefully there are no big, bad surprises later on.

Don't ask leading questions, telling her exactly what you want or she'll play the part to best actress honors levels. Sure we want to impress and attract women, but money and a ticket to the land of milk and honey shouldn't be top priorities. You start dangling carrots in front of her, you better have a farm.

Try and get as clear and idea of what characteristics---age, education, personality, income, body type etc. that you're looking for and don't get blinded by boobs and a killer smile. That said, be ready to shift your parameters a bit if something (beside looks) compensates for a shortcoming in a non critical area.

This isn't a shake and bake, add money and expect long term commitment kind of scenario. But there are ways to reduce risk.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: benjio on January 22, 2016, 04:54:13 PM

If she expects financial support and has designs on how you should handle your schedule and your finances, run. Even a  good woman of very modest means will try to not come across as needy and she should be too proud to beg, out of her own self respect.



This is a rule I've always followed and I suggest every newbie do the same. There's nothing wrong with helping when the relationship is established, but request right off the jump are a huge red flag! $100 here and there doesn't seem like much to us (although it can really get stretched out some places in Latin America) but you've began the slow process of creating a monster the first time you agree to financially assist your girlfriend or her family. The simple fact is I've dated Latinas that were from poor backgrounds that didn't ask me for a dime....EVER!!! Think about it...if they've survived 20, 25 or maybe even 30 years without your assistance, why is it absolutely necessary all of a sudden?
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: robert angel on January 22, 2016, 07:01:28 PM
Heyo, heyo----anybody notice Benjio just passed # 2  0  0  0?
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: cdr1974 on January 23, 2016, 02:33:33 AM
We all the biggest problem with Jamies agency and that is he makes us use his accommodation and at $100 a night. I wouldn't mind as much, but it's very basic accommodation at that and in the agency itself so no privacy really.  I do think he would attract far more customers if he changed this.
Take LAI in Bogota.  They have there own accommodation and only charge $50 a night. A huge difference on a 2 week stay. In fact $600 difference which is coSt of the airfare
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: benjio on January 23, 2016, 10:19:14 AM
We all the biggest problem with Jamies agency and that is he makes us use his accommodation and at $100 a night. I wouldn't mind as much, but it's very basic accommodation at that and in the agency itself so no privacy really.  I do think he would attract far more customers if he changed this.
Take LAI in Bogota.  They have there own accommodation and only charge $50 a night. A huge difference on a 2 week stay. In fact $600 difference which is coSt of the airfare


As I mentioned a few months ago, I'm pretty sure Jamie no longer uses the house where he was lodging clients as the agency anymore. I stopped by the new location while I was in Barranquilla and it's a much smaller, strictly office type of property in a better neighborhood. This time I stayed in a hotel because he didn't have space, but the time before my last trip he put me up in a nice, upscale apartment. I believe he rents at least two of them in Barranquilla for clients. I'm not sure whether or not he still forces clients to use his lodging, but for any foreigner staying in Barranquilla for an extended period of time, $100 a night for what he offers always seemed fair in my opinion. As previously mentioned I stayed in a hotel this last trip. It was about $95 USD per night (probably inflated a bit with Carnaval being so close). I had no washer and dryer so I had to use their laundry service which is always very expensive in hotels. No kitchen to cook in so I had to order room service or eat out (when I didn't want to go and eat at a friends). And another thing is Jamie's maid, who will actually do the laundry and the cooking for you if you ask. 


I do agree with you though CDR....this shouldn't be a requirement to use his services.
Title: Re: For those of you who went with Jamie's agency...
Post by: robert angel on January 31, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
Ha ha---stupid me--I should've learned a long time ago not to invest too much time in answering a question from a guy posting for the first time. A few of us did and then the guy never even came back a second time to see if anybody replied!