DennisLevy, the old guard...

[robert angel]

Hadn't looked at Dennis Levy's posts since he died, but did today--eeery--his last posts were 8 years ago to this day, shortly before his untimely murder.


Dennis lived life on his terms and it was a life well lived. We shared a lot about life, love, women and baseball.


He was helpful to a lot of people.

http://www.planet-love.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2185

[ralphmalph]

Amen to that loquacious one.

It is hard to believe that in has been 8 years now. I am still in touch with a few of Dennis's amigas from Colombia. And they, in the not to recent past, did ask about him. But I couldn't bring myself to get in touch with his widow after his murder. 

I didn't ever want to bring it up to her about my suspicions that his murder was a 'hit' job. And that murder like some many other in Colombia has never been solved.

[Calipro]

Amen to that loquacious one.

It is hard to believe that in has been 8 years now. I am still in touch with a few of Dennis's amigas from Colombia. And they, in the not to recent past, did ask about him. But I couldn't bring myself to get in touch with his widow after his murder. 

I didn't ever want to bring it up to her about my suspicions that his murder was a 'hit' job. And that murder like some many other in Colombia has never been solved.

What would make you think his murder was a hit job.

[robert angel]

What would make you think his murder was a hit job.

Good question.  What seemed suspicious-- or 'curious' if you will? 

 From what I heard,, it sounded like a botched robbery.  As a fellow savvy, native New Yorker, and then in addition, Dennis was no stranger to Colombia and surrounding nation's ways. He was street smart. I doubt if he would've fought over something like a laptop or phone. I know his budget was limited, but still....

So ironic that after having met up with literally 100s of women, he seemed to have finally found happiness with a 55 year old Colombiana wife.

[ralphmalph]

Recent bride, joint planned trip to Bogotá the next day to sign legal papers of an undisclosed nature, recent bride runs family business jointly with nephew. Deceased admitting to me only a few weeks before that there was bad blood between deceased and nephew, Colombia.

It's a stretch but draw your own conclusions.

 

[mudd]

Recent bride, joint planned trip to Bogotá the next day to sign legal papers of an undisclosed nature, recent bride runs family business jointly with nephew. Deceased admitting to me only a few weeks before that there was bad blood between deceased and nephew, Colombia.

It's a stretch but draw your own conclusions.

 

this would not surprise me at all.  have a amiga here for a long time. professor at university teaching english. her mom died unexpectedly and had no will. only my friend, her mom  and an uncle lived in the house. about two months after the mom died, bad blood began between   my friend and the uncle .  the uncle claimed the mom left him the house with no proof... and soon it went to  a LONG court process. first judgement took 2 years and in favor of the daughter, uncle was to get nothing, so the uncle filed another case against  the daughter so she couldnt sell the house and its been in court ever sence. an aunt of the daughter  told her " close your facebook or any social media that shows you or where your living or working, your uncle was  overheard saying that soon the house would be his."  doesnt take much in colombia to know what that means.

[mambocowboy]

Hadn't looked at Dennis Levy's posts since he died, but did today--eeery--his last posts were 8 years ago to this day, shortly before his untimely murder.


Dennis lived life on his terms and it was a life well lived. We shared a lot about life, love, women and baseball.


He was helpful to a lot of people.

http://www.planet-love.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2185

Cant believe it's been 8 years!

[Calipro]

Recent bride, joint planned trip to Bogotá the next day to sign legal papers of an undisclosed nature, recent bride runs family business jointly with nephew. Deceased admitting to me only a few weeks before that there was bad blood between deceased and nephew, Colombia.

It's a stretch but draw your own conclusions.

 

It would be the first time I have ever heard of a Colombian Hitman staging a robbery to cover his real intentions

[benjio]

It would be the first time I have ever heard of a Colombian Hitman staging a robbery to cover his real intentions

Agreed. Seems like a bit of a stretch. As much as I communicated with Dennis and several of the people that knew him there, this is the first I’ve heard of foul play. There’s almost always bad blood when a gringo is involved from my experience. There’s either some long lost boyfriend that all of a sudden values the girl you’re dating/married to; some family member that feels they’re entitled to handouts you’ve refused to give...plenty of other things. Mostly harmless IMHO.

Dennis fighting over easily replaceable material things doesn’t make sense to me but I always assumed his intervention was to protect a woman. Something I could definitely see him doing. Again though...gotta agree with Cali. Sicarios just kill. No good reason to stage a scene or situation to make it look like something other than what it is. Most murders for hire in Colombia go unsolved for that very reason. They’re murders for hire.

[mambocowboy]

Agreed. Seems like a bit of a stretch. As much as I communicated with Dennis and several of the people that knew him there, this is the first I’ve heard of foul play. There’s almost always bad blood when a gringo is involved from my experience. There’s either some long lost boyfriend that all of a sudden values the girl you’re dating/married to; some family member that feels they’re entitled to handouts you’ve refused to give...plenty of other things. Mostly harmless IMHO.

Dennis fighting over easily replaceable material things doesn’t make sense to me but I always assumed his intervention was to protect a woman. Something I could definitely see him doing. Again though...gotta agree with Cali. Sicarios just kill. No good reason to stage a scene or situation to make it look like something other than it is. Most murders for hire in Colombia go unsolved for that very reason. They’re murders for hire.

Based on his posts he did seem like a gentleman and very respectful towards women. Could definitely see him intervening on a women's behalf...

[robert angel]

Based on his posts he did seem like a gentleman and very respectful towards women. Could definitely see him intervening on a women's behalf...

I liked Dennis on a lot of fronts. Outside of P.L., we had some GREAT correspondence. He was more intelligent and multifaceted than most know.

But if you told  me 8 years ago that after 100's of meet ups with area women, that at age 58, he'd married a 55 y/o Colombiana (who I believe he truly loved), and that Zon would be married to a Midwestern USA girl, both living here in the USA, that Calipro would be married, with a daughter,  that Benjio would've taken the same marriage path, producing  a son,  that Mambo did likewise,  having kidS, I'd have said you were beyond insane--that NO way that was ever gonna happen.

There's other, similar P.L. members too, some seemingly good guys.

I don't grasp the culture, but you guys have been gentle, explaining I really don't 'get' or comprehend  the 'Colombian ways', but I really scratch my head about how things turned out.

I really enjoyed following your single life stories down there. I had it pretty good being a 'player' in the Philippines and it's even better married to one, but I'll admit I was envious, wishing if I couldn't actually 'experience' Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador and Peru in real life and live that lifestyle, that like a voyeur, I could've at least been the proverbial 'fly on the wall.' --watching 'love/sex/romance, South American style.'

As such, I thought: (think/feel) "I like you guys', you 'ballers' --how you played a fertile playing field in an admirable way.

Over the years, far more P.L  guys crashed and burned, while youz gave up what sounded to me like a scenario better wonderfully left alone-- 'single' with that seemingly endless stream of beautiful 'hotties' -- and in a land where the US Dollar stretches pretty far.

But again, if you told me then how things would be '8 years' from now, (today) I'd have thought: VERY unlikely!!'

[Calipro]

I liked Dennis on a lot of fronts. Outside of P.L., we had some GREAT correspondence. He was more intelligent and multifaceted than most know.

But if you told  me 8 years ago that after 100's of meet ups with area women, that at age 58, he'd married a 55 y/o Colombiana (who I believe he truly loved), and that Zon would be married to a Midwestern USA girl, both living here in the USA, that Calipro would be married, with a daughter,  that Benjio would've taken the same marriage path, producing  a son,  that Mambo did likewise,  having kidS, I'd have said you were beyond insane--that NO way that was ever gonna happen.

There's other, similar P.L. members too, some seemingly good guys.

I don't grasp the culture, but you guys have been gentle, explaining I really don't 'get' or comprehend  the 'Colombian ways', but I really scratch my head about how things turned out.

I really enjoyed following your single life stories down there. I had it pretty good being a 'player' in the Philippines and it's even better married to one, but I'll admit I was envious, wishing if I couldn't actually 'experience' Colombia, Brazil, Ecuador and Peru in real life and live that lifestyle, that like a voyeur, I could've at least been the proverbial 'fly on the wall.' --watching 'love/sex/romance, South American style.'

As such, I thought: (think/feel) "I like you guys', you 'ballers' --how you played a fertile playing field in an admirable way.

Over the years, far more P.L  guys crashed and burned, while youz gave up what sounded to me like a scenario better wonderfully left alone-- 'single' with that seemingly endless stream of beautiful 'hotties' -- and in a land where the US Dollar stretches pretty far.

But again, if you told me then how things would be '8 years' from now, (today) I'd have thought: VERY unlikely!!'

It wasn't like Dennis had his pick of the litter. He may have went on hundreds of dates and I'm not sure he had sex with any of them. It is possible that the 55 year old was the only one truly interested in him.  I think he should have gone to the Philippines to tell you the truth.


Zon came down to Cali to open a webcam studio which he did. And although he dated a few hot women there he was never enamored with Caleñas on the whole.....he didn't like their lack of worldliness and that he couldn't have conversations about politics or other things that interested him. And when I pressed him on what he though of the sex with young beautiful Caleñas.
He told me that looks weren't all that important to him and that he often thought of other women while having sex anyway.
Needless to say I never brought up the subject again. Jajaja

[robert angel]

It wasn't like Dennis had his pick of the litter. He may have went on hundreds of dates and I'm not sure he had sex with any of them. It is possible that the 55 year old was the only one truly interested in him.  I think he should have gone to the Philippines to tell you the truth.


Zon came down to Cali to open a webcam studio which he did. And although he dated a few hot women there he was never enamored with Caleñas on the whole.....he didn't like their lack of worldliness and that he couldn't have conversations about politics or other things that interested him. And when I pressed him on what he though of the sex with young beautiful Caleñas.
He told me that looks weren't all that important to him and that he often thought of other women while having sex anyway.
Needless to say I never brought up the subject again. Jajaja

Dennis definitely had his 'type' of female he preferred and it wasn't the stereotypical 'hottie' chica gal that comes to most guy's minds, I don't think. I'm definitely not insinuating his taste in women was weird or strange. But he sure as hell had a lot of 'coffees' with a lot of different women, from all walks of life and from a number of nations. He didn't mind if a woman had a few extra pounds, if she interested him mentally and physically.

[benjio]

Dennis definitely had his 'type' of female he preferred and it wasn't the stereotypical 'hottie' chica gal that comes to most guy's minds, I don't think. I'm definitely not insinuating his taste in women was weird or strange. But he sure as hell had a lot of 'coffees' with a lot of different women, from all walks of life and from a number of nations. He didn't mind if a woman had a few extra pounds, if she interested him mentally and physically.

I’ve said a million times on this board that although there’s nothing wrong with dating really hot women in Latin America, their looks usually come at some cost to their virtue. I think Dennis had gotten to the point I’m in now. I’ve sewn my royal oats in Colombia, Brazil and a few other countries that aren’t even worth a trip report. I used to come back to the U.S. and show my American Friends pictures of women they couldn’t believe I didn’t pay for. A couple of women so attractive they would freeze any room they walked into. These days, meh. Truth is if there’s no substance there, something to admire, something in common, as soon as you ejaculate the most beautiful woman that’s ever stripped her clothes off in front of you becomes just another chick. Don’t get me wrong...I need to be physically attracted to a woman to date her seriously!!! But do I need the absolutely, positively most beautiful woman that’s willing to date me based on my looks and financial standing? HELL NO!!! Give me a solid Colombian 7 any day!!!

I also kind of respected Dennis for dating in his age range. There are plenty of 20 something Colombianas willing to commit themselves to a man 15-20 years their senior if it comes with a meal ticket, but Dennis wasn’t about that. And that’s something I just won’t do. I’ll be 40 this year but 25-30  will be my range for a while to come.

[robert angel]

I’ve said a million times on this board that although there’s nothing wrong with dating really hot women in Latin America, their looks usually come at some cost to their virtue. I think Dennis had gotten to the point I’m in now. I’ve sewn my royal oats in Colombia, Brazil and a few other countries that aren’t even worth a trip report. I used to come back to the U.S. and show my American Friends pictures of women they couldn’t believe I didn’t pay for. A couple of women so attractive they would freeze any room they walked into. These days, meh. Truth is if there’s no substance there, something to admire, something in common, as soon as you ejaculate the most beautiful woman that’s ever stripped her clothes off in front of you becomes just another chick. Don’t get me wrong...I need to be physically attracted to a woman to date her seriously!!! But do I need the absolutely, positively most beautiful woman that’s willing to date me based on my looks and financial standing? HELL NO!!! Give me a solid Colombian 7 any day!!!

I also kind of respected Dennis for dating in his age range. There are plenty of 20 something Colombianas willing to commit themselves to a man 15-20 years their senior if it comes with a meal ticket, but Dennis wasn’t about that. And that’s something I just won’t do. I’ll be 40 this year but 25-30  will be my range for a while to come.

Some call it 'settling' for less--I call it 'balance' but all too often, the real hot chicks,  who make you wanna bust a nut the most, are coming up at least a bit short on the 'live with, 24X7' overall personality scale.


Just think: How many days, with limited provisions, could I survive at sea in a lifeboat with 'X' before tossing her?


We all love maximum eye candy adorning our arm and bed, but after the first chase & conquest in bed, or typically after a while anyhow---it's just not as intense. By my mid 40's, I didn't want to keep repeating the 'Hunt, chase, conquer, blow up, start all over' cycle. For a while, the chase and hunt, the ego boost with success, was great.  But hot women are often like gasoline. Or heroin---you need a new, better, bigger 'fix'.

Neither's typically good long term.


Then if babes are taking 2 or 3 hours to get dolled up, that's nice in a way, I mean I guess that's a way of showing 'they care'--but overall, I couldn't roll with that style fast enough. I can't deal with the waiting--Benjio's had to end things because of that--after like a gent, warning her, as I seem to recall.


Lord--especially in the USA in professional circles, you can sometimes hardly recognize women you've known for years, if they don't have their 'mask of makeup' on their face and hair. To an extent, we're seeing it more live lately, as my wife's company has employees from coast to coast--USA and Canada all working from home--like 20 screens of 20 faces, all meeting via Zoom. Dey is some ugly white women out dere in corporate America!

My wife will always wish that like the Ms. Universes from the Philippines (typically they're tall, Euro-Asian minxes) stunners, that she too was 7 inches taller and with a longer nose, but those 'short comings' are my luck. She's like my favorite Levi's--wash and wear, everyday looks good naturally. Regular work days, she's awake and office professional pretty, nice dress, touch of makeup, glorious hair--all in 35 minutes. That includes my lemon juice, coffee and breakfast!


Because she's NOT a Sofiia Vegara or a Miss Universe there's actually a little 'underdog insecurity' in her that makes her a nicer person and a harder 'team's worker--that stuff works in my--really in everyone else's favor. She's just the most modest, smiling and easy to get along with pretty lady around. Zero diva, zero 'attitude' unless someone really needs to be 'told off'. At work or at Walmart--IF they 'cross that line.'


I'm sure that Dennis would've liked her--as well as Whitey's lovely Colombiana (BQ) wife, Nazley, who shares a lot of the same qualities.


Nazley's proof that there are some very beautiful women in S. American cities who have sweet, down to earth type personalities. Pretty,   expressive & feminine but the polar opposite of 'prima donna.'

It's just finding that 'balance' again--it's not common.

Long term, I'd rather have a babe who wishes she looks like Miss Universe, than one who thinks she looks like Miss Universe.

[robert angel]

The hotter they are, the higher the maintenance.

[ralphmalph]

I remember Dennis telling me that after his trip to Peru, he decided to go back to Medellin and marry his bride who he had dated a year or two before and the reason why he settled down with her was that she had a great sense of humor.

And isn't that what most of us want first and foremost? To be with a woman who you can share a laugh with living in such a crazy mixed up world such as it is.

[robert angel]

I remember Dennis telling me that after his trip to Peru, he decided to go back to Medellin and marry his bride who he had dated a year or two before and the reason why he settled down with her was that she had a great sense of humor.

And isn't that what most of us want first and foremost? To be with a woman who you can share a laugh with living in such a crazy mixed up world such as it is.

He liked teaching English in Peru.He seemed contented with life overall, introspective about his life, aware that he was getting closer to age sixty. He was looking forward to even better days.

In one of our last letters, on his beloved NY Yankees upcoming 162 game season (he was a HUGE fan):

"Hope everything is aces for you. I am also happy because baseball has started and I have another 162 lives to lead"

Ironic.

[robert angel]

Hadn't looked at Dennis Levy's posts since he died, but did today--eeery--his last posts were 8 years ago to this day, shortly before his untimely murder.


Dennis lived life on his terms and it was a life well lived. We shared a lot about life, love, women and baseball.


He was helpful to a lot of people.

http://www.planet-love.com/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=2185

Dennis did it his way, in a way that perhaps a lot of lurkers here, and/or dreamers, might be inspired by.

Here you had a guy past his mid 50s, far from Hollywood handsome, a bit paunchy and limited in budget.
He went alone to a very foreign country, actually countries, in South America, where in short order, he was having 'coffees' with 5, even 6 women a day, sometimes.
He was interested in it all, actually learning the language pretty well, picking up on the culture and  (he'd like the pun) on the women too.
He was interested in the women head to toe, (including in the middle, too LOL) yet he was interested in their 'stories' --their lives and how the culture made them as they were. The bigger picture.
He was a target of cheap shots here on PL at times, but despite thinking of forgetting, about 'writing off' the ship of fools that  PL was pretty much then, he stayed,  stood his ground, helping others.
In a relevant,  readable way, he expressed himself. He told of life abroad, the good and the bad, about the experiences he enjoyed, and overall, they were good, memorable times.

Most guys never get on the plane.

RIP Dennis.

[mambocowboy]

Dennis did it his way, in a way that perhaps a lot of lurkers here, and/or dreamers, might be inspired by.

Here you had a guy past his mid 50s, far from Hollywood handsome, a bit paunchy and limited in budget.
He went alone to a very foreign country, actually countries, in South America, where in short order, he was having 'coffees' with 5, even 6 women a day, sometimes.
He was interested in it all, actually learning the language pretty well, picking up on the culture and  (he'd like the pun) on the women too.
He was interested in the women head to toe, (including in the middle, too LOL) yet he was interested in their 'stories' --their lives and how the culture made them as they were. The bigger picture.
He was a target of cheap shots here on PL at times, but despite thinking of forgetting, about 'writing off' the ship of fools that  PL was pretty much then, he stayed,  stood his ground, helping others.
In a relevant,  readable way, he expressed himself. He told of life abroad, the good and the bad, about the experiences he enjoyed, and overall, they were good, memorable times.

Most guys never get on the plane.

RIP Dennis.

I remember someone incredulously asked him here if his PL handle  was actually his real name and he said of course! Just seemed like a pretty genuine guy....

[Elexpatriado]

I remember someone incredulously asked him here if his PL handle  was actually his real name and he said of course! Just seemed like a pretty genuine guy....

My avatar or handle isreal as well.

LX Pat Riado

Lionel Xavier Patrick Riado

[Fuzzyone]

  That was one of those murders that really caught me off guard. I thought at the time it was just someone spreading a false rumor, I had hoped anyway!!

[robert angel]

  That was one of those murders that really caught me off guard. I thought at the time it was just someone spreading a false rumor, I had hoped anyway!!

If you look back in the archives here, you know it's not as unusual as one would think.  And it's not just sketchy gringos that turn up dead, after a few years in Colombia.

Good to see you back, Fuzzy--- where you been?

I think when you get to 2000 PL posts, Dan sends you a box of fruit loops!

[Calipro]

If you look back in the archives here, you know it's not as unusual as one would think.  And it's not just sketchy gringos that turn up dead, after a few years in Colombia.

Good to see you back, Fuzzy--- where you been?

I think when you get to 2000 PL posts, Dan sends you a box of fruit loops!

Thanks for pointing out how useless this board is again.

If you want to improve your chances of not being murdered the stats beat out anecdote observations every time.

https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/travel/news/2019/07/24/most-dangerous-cities-world-tijuana-caracas-cape-town/1813211001/

[Elexpatriado]

If yoou want to avoid being murdered treat people nice and dont dar papaya..and livein smaller safer places

[robert angel]

Thanks for pointing out how useless this board is again.

If you want to improve your chances of not being murdered the stats beat out anecdote observations every time.

https://www.usatoday.com/picture-gallery/travel/news/2019/07/24/most-dangerous-cities-world-tijuana-caracas-cape-town/1813211001/

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[/size]Latin -> General discussion / Re: I'm done with Colombia traveling« on: February 21, 2013, 07:51:46 PM »
 I've worked in the streets of NY, Brooklyn (Bed sty) and others and I would consider myself an expert on crime. My facts speak for themselves. I know 3 gringos who moved to Colombia on a permanent bases. All 3 are dead. 2 were murdered the other died in a medical mishap. With the small number of gringos I know who lived there and all are gone you might see why I'm somewhat jaded. My wife had a gun put to her head in a burgulary/armed robbery in Envigado 2 years ago. They pulled the trigger but the gun was not loaded. They did not know that at the time  as the gun was one of the items they came to steal. Since then her Uncle has been robbed while waiting for a light to turn green in his vehicle while Christmas shopping. Lost all the gifts and his watch, rings but kept his life. My 14 year old told me a story that while going to the airport a few years ago they were stopped by the police who refused to let them go without handing over 10.000 COP. In the USA you go to jail for many years for that behavior. I know may people like to put their head in the sand and believe that Medellin is no more dangerous then any other big city.....yea just keep on believing that....cause my friend that will get you killed.
 My thoughts are based on what I've seen first hand and what others close to me have experienced. Colombia is a very dangerous place to live ... Life is cheap there and if you become a victim of a crime there' a 95% chance it will go unsolved.
 In all the times I traveled to Colombia I never fooled myself into believing the place was safe. I went there for one reason which was the ease of meeting very beautiful women.
Colombia is a beautiful country , the women even more so. But corrupt, backwards, dangerous it is also. As the other poster said "Colombia is not for everybody" I agree especially if you value you life.
 As for the post... "I've had my identity stolen here in the us and it caused my tax return to get all screwed up a few years ago. I think I'm going to renounce my us citizenship and leave never to return"
[size=78%]Exactly my point....another gringo with his head in the sand.[/size]7:51:46 PM »
 I've worked in the streets of NY, Brooklyn (Bed sty) and others and I would consider myself an expert on crime. My facts speak for themselves. I know 3 gringos who moved to Colombia on a permanent bases. All 3 are dead. 2 were murdered the other died in a medical mishap. With the small number of gringos I know who lived there and all are gone you might see why I'm somewhat jaded. My wife had a gun put to her head in a burgulary/armed robbery in Envigado 2 years ago. They pulled the trigger but the gun was not loaded. They did not know that at the time  as the gun was one of the items they came to steal. Since then her Uncle has been robbed while waiting for a light to turn green in his vehicle while Christmas shopping. Lost all the gifts and his watch, rings but kept his life. My 14 year old told me a story that while going to the airport a few years ago they were stopped by the police who refused to let them go without handing over 10.000 COP. In the USA you go to jail for many years for that behavior. I know may people like to put their head in the sand and believe that Medellin is no more dangerous then any other big city.....yea just keep on believing that....cause my friend that will get you killed.
 My thoughts are based on what I've seen first hand and what others close to me have experienced. Colombia is a very dangerous place to live ... Life is cheap there and if you become a victim of a crime there' a 95% chance it will go unsolved.
 In all the times I traveled to Colombia I never fooled myself into believing the place was safe. I went there for one reason which was the ease of meeting very beautiful women.
Colombia is a beautiful country , the women even more so. But corrupt, backwards, dangerous it is also. As the other poster said "Colombia is not for everybody" I agree especially if you value you life.
 As for the post... "I've had my identity stolen here in the us and it caused my tax return to get all screwed up a few years ago. I think I'm going to renounce my us citizenship and leave never to return"
Exactly my point....another gringo with his head in the sand."""""""""""


I'm sure that being a white, relatively rich gringo---going after the most desirable women in a macho, impoverished nation doesn't change your status (or lack thereof)--that it doesn't make you a statistical anomaly in the slightest! That said, while "There are lies, damned lies and statistics"--I think the longer you stay there, and the more your daily lives get intertwined with the dysfunctionality that is there--especially in the more densely populated areas, the more likely that something bad is gonna happen.I wouldn't be too quick to look at the so called 'numbers'- statistics gleaned from tens of millions of men, women and children native to the area, apply them and think: "We're safe!"Even out in the countrysides of the world, people get annoyed with strangers 'moving in' sometimes and bad things happen. Wells get poisoned--or worse."It's the nail that sticks out that gets hammered"

[Calipro]

If yoou want to avoid being murdered treat people nice and dont dar papaya..and livein smaller safer places

Living in safer places or rather avoiding really dangerous places is what looking at the stats will tell you.

Want to double your odds of never being murdered in Medellin then just stay out of el centro.

Same thing applies to any other city in the world.

I'm certainly safer in Medellin than were I grew up in east LA.

The stats that I would really like to see is the number of gun shot victims per city per cápita worldwide because many more people survive gun shots in the USA compared to other parts of the world.

A stat on gun violence would be much more telling on how dangerous the USA is compared to other parts of the world.

[robert angel]

Living in safer places or rather avoiding really dangerous places is what looking at the stats will tell you.

Want to double your odds of never being murdered in Medellin then just stay out of el centro.

Same thing applies to any other city in the world.

I'm certainly safer in Medellin than were I grew up in east LA.

The stats that I would really like to see is the number of gun shot victims per city per cápita worldwide because many more people survive gun shots in the USA compared to other parts of the world.

A stat on gun violence would be much more telling on how dangerous the USA is compared to other parts of the world.

You can go ahead and cherry pick (what's available) statistics all day, even applying them like tints of paint onto your rose colored glasses. But that doesn't make the dead,  the robberies or the living in fear, the need to be 'extra careful'-- that fear and awareness, any less real.

The stat that'd be most relevant here is the number of white playboys, who after five years in Colombia ended up dead.

The number of guys honest enough to admit, "Yeah, I came for the women, although the weather is good too" and what happened to them in a five year period.

You need enough of a correct sample size, over a long enough period, for it to be valid.

I promise you those figures would be a lot different than what you might see in some newspaper about some nations comparative crime rate.


If "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" is true,  Colombia is probably like a black hole that eats truth.

But go ahead anyways--generalize entire populations--men, women and children included, take it from some newspaper source, be it city, or move out to the country and think: "I'm OK" if it makes you feel better.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, that's for sure!!

But seeing "how useless this board is" not only is that unlikely,  but even if the figure was available, (and there's always talk about the many crimes unreported, unsolved) you guys would still insist "That's not me!!" Denial and bliss are close cousins.

""We got something, we both know it

We don't talk too much about it

Ain't no big secret, all the same
Somehow we get around it

It don't really matter to me
You believe what you want to believe

You don't have to live like a refugee""" (Tom Petty)

Or do you?

[robert angel]

You can go ahead and cherry pick (what's available) statistics all day, even applying them like tints of paint onto your rose colored glasses. But that doesn't make the dead,  the robberies or the living in fear, the need to be 'extra careful'-- that fear and awareness, any less real.

The stat that'd be most relevant here is the number of white playboys, who after five years in Colombia ended up dead.

The number of guys honest enough to admit, "Yeah, I came for the women, although the weather is good too" and what happened to them in a five year period.

You need enough of a correct sample size, over a long enough period, for it to be valid.

I promise you those figures would be a lot different than what you might see in some newspaper about some nations comparative crime rate.

If "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" is true,  Colombia is probably like a black hole that eats truth.

But go ahead anyways--generalize entire populations--men, women and children included, take it from some newspaper source, be it city, or move out to the country and think: "I'm OK" if it makes you feel better.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, that's for sure!!

But seeing "how useless this board is" not only is that unlikely,  but even if the figure was available, (and there's always talk about the many crimes unreported, unsolved) you guys would still insist "That's not me!!" Denial and bliss are close cousins.

""We got something, we both know it

We don't talk too much about it

Ain't no big secret, all the same
Somehow we get around it

It don't really matter to me
You believe what you want to believe

You don't have to live like a refugee""" (Tom Petty)

Or do you?

[Calipro]

You can go ahead and cherry pick (what's available) statistics all day, even applying them like tints of paint onto your rose colored glasses. But that doesn't make the dead,  the robberies or the living in fear, the need to be 'extra careful'-- that fear and awareness, any less real.

The stat that'd be most relevant here is the number of white playboys, who after five years in Colombia ended up dead.

The number of guys honest enough to admit, "Yeah, I came for the women, although the weather is good too" and what happened to them in a five year period.

You need enough of a correct sample size, over a long enough period, for it to be valid.

I promise you those figures would be a lot different than what you might see in some newspaper about some nations comparative crime rate.

But go ahead anyways--generalize entire populations--men, women and children included, take it from some newspaper source, be it city, or move out to the country and think: "I'm OK" if it makes you feel better.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt, that's for sure!!

But seeing "how useless this board is" not only is that unlikely,  but even if the figure was available, (and there's always talk about the many crimes unreported, unsolved) you guys would still insist "That's not me!!" Denial and bliss are close cousins.

""We got something, we both know it

We don't talk too much about it

Ain't no big secret, all the same
Somehow we get around it

It don't really matter to me
You believe what you want to believe

You don't have to live like a refugee""" (Tom Petty)

Or do you?

Living in fear really...jajaja

Do you know how many foreigners travel to Colombia per year? 
And how many live here full time.

I would say about 4 million tourist per year and about 250 thousand foreigners living here full time.
An I would say the murder rate of tourists and foregn resident s is lower than any large city in the USA just because foreigners tend to stay in the best places and poor Americans can't ever seem to escape their crime filled neighborhoods
 Quit being such a pussy and go to Colombia...we all know you want to deep down jajaja

[benjio]

Colombia really isn’t that bad. You can make statistics say anything you want to if you have a thorough understanding of how numbers work and which data points to highlight. I’m talking more about an overall feeling of safety though. I’ve never thought twice about going outside and taking a walk in Colombia, regardless of the city. Even in some of the more dangerous neighborhoods I have friends in. It’s a country like any other...bad parts and good parts. Predators and victims. Those that keep this in mind at all times will be fine. Dennis’ situation was a complete freak accident.

Mickey, that used to post here, has pretty much walked the entire city of Medellin. You think he was ever once overcome with fear? I’ve traveled quite a bit. It’s really not that bad. Rio de Janeiro was MUCH worse when it cones to personal safety as a foreigner.

[robert angel]

Living in fear really...jajaja

Do you know how many foreigners travel to Colombia per year? 
And how many live here full time.

I would say about 4 million tourist per year and about 250 thousand foreigners living here full time.
An I would say the murder rate of tourists and foregn resident s is lower than any large city in the USA just because foreigners tend to stay in the best places and poor Americans can't ever seem to escape their crime filled neighborhoods
 Quit being such a pussy and go to Colombia...we all know you want to deep down jajaja

Of course I do! I'm pretty sure I'd like it TOO much! Besides, Sodom and Gomorrah are out of the travel picture for me! And actually,  it might not be more dangerous than most of Miami and right b4 CV19, we were actually discussing heading back to South Beach.

But I'll bet you have quite a few wealthy expatriates, living rather safe, rather isolated lives there in paradise.

I'm sure that some of them even have local 'home delivery' and experience the local female 'culture' in their gated homes.

It's not so much the bigger (not deaths per million)  picture of gringo murders I'm thinking about. it's not even the ballers, the players who go there for 1 - 3 weeks--it's the gringos who live there 5 - 10 years and ball multiple women on a 'fast track on a regular basis. The guys not 'settling into' a more reasonable life. The ones getting all caught up in 'the lifestyle.'

Throw in clubs, booze, drugs, hot women, their boyfriends, poverty, put that--and their friends/families, into the mix and you got trouble in river city, and I don't mean pool!


Here or there, your safety is all relative to your lifestyle choices. Almost every city in The Americas" has a 'bad part of town' if you want to go there.



But it looks like Medellin gets at least 2.5 million tourists a year--far more than anywhere else in Colombia, and is a beautiful city in South America. Some nice buildings, decent infrastructure, greenery, parks, etc.


It, figuratively and literally, is known to be world class for birdwatchers.


To go from almost no tourists when the cartels held sway to millions, that means it's got something great going for it and I don't think it's the salt water taffy.

[Calipro]

Colombia really isn’t that bad. You can make statistics say anything you want to if you have a thorough understanding of how numbers work and which data points to highlight. I’m talking more about an overall feeling of safety though. I’ve never thought twice about going outside and taking a walk in Colombia, regardless of the city. Even in some of the more dangerous neighborhoods I have friends in. It’s a country like any other...bad parts and good parts. Predators and victims. Those that keep this in mind at all times will be fine. Dennis’ situation was a complete freak accident.

Mickey, that used to post here, has pretty much walked the entire city of Medellin. You think he was ever once overcome with fear? I’ve traveled quite a bit. It’s really not that bad. Rio de Janeiro was MUCH worse when it cones to personal safety as a foreigner.

It's all anyone has to do to gain better perspective is just go to Baltimore or St Louis and realize you are in a more dangerous city than any city in Colombia.

[Calipro]

But I'll bet you have quite a few wealthy expatriates, living rather safe, rather isolated lives there in paradise.

I'm sure that some of them even have local 'home delivery' and experience the local female 'culture' in their gated homes.

It's not so much the bigger (not deaths per million)  picture of gringo murders I'm thinking about. it's not even the ballers, the players who go there for 1 - 3 weeks--it's the gringos who live there 5 - 10 years and ball multiple women on a 'fast track on a regular basis. The guys not 'settling into' a more reasonable life. The ones getting all caught up in 'the lifestyle.'

Throw in clubs, booze, drugs hot women, their boyfriends, poverty, and families into the mix and you got trouble in river city, and I don't mean pool!

I'm not sure how many Mudds we have living here .....but if you are staying in and ordering in....you are missing the point of living in a culture that centers around interpersonal relationships

[robert angel]

Of course I do! I'm pretty sure I'd like it TOO much! Besides, Sodom and Gomorrah are out of the travel picture for me! And actually,  it might not be more dangerous than most of Miami and right b4 CV19, we were actually discussing heading back to South Beach.

But I'll bet you have quite a few wealthy expatriates, living rather safe, rather isolated lives there in paradise.

I'm sure that some of them even have local 'home delivery' and experience the local female 'culture' in their gated homes.

It's not so much the bigger (not deaths per million)  picture of gringo murders I'm thinking about. it's not even the ballers, the players who go there for 1 - 3 weeks--it's the gringos who live there 5 - 10 years and ball multiple women on a 'fast track on a regular basis. The guys not 'settling into' a more reasonable life. The ones getting all caught up in 'the lifestyle.'

Throw in clubs, booze, drugs, hot women, their boyfriends, poverty, put that--and their friends/families, into the mix and you got trouble in river city, and I don't mean pool!


Here or there, your safety is all relative to your lifestyle choices. Almost every city in The Americas" has a 'bad part of town' if you want to go there.



But it looks like Medellin gets at least 2.5 million tourists a year--far more than anywhere else in Colombia, and is a beautiful city in South America. Some nice buildings, decent infrastructure, greenery, parks, etc.


It, figuratively and literally, is known to be world class for birdwatchers.


To go from almost no tourists when the cartels held sway to millions, that means it's got something great going for it and I don't th[size=78%]ink it's the salt water taffy.[/size]

But one of these days...

I mean, what red  blooded American boy with a boner wouldn't mind poking around Medellin?

Eternal spring huh? Have they found the fountain of viagara yet?

I just have an errr..'scheduling conflict.

Off with her to the beach in fact. Just demolished Fort Worth ribeye steaks, taters and vegies.

She's catching a 30 minute 'power nap.'

We'll catch the sunset over the ocean on one side of the island at 8:09 catch full moon rise over the the ocean on other side at 9:42, get some neck in in-between.

Come home, watch some TV, finish the wine and wrestle.

I can live with schedule conflicts like that--in fact, I'm all tied up and ready, for the whole weekend!!!