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Title: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 09, 2008, 03:41:31 PM
Well right now I am in Brazil. And I am hearing stories from women about what there ex-husbands or boyfriends have done to them.

Some of them have been beaten until they are in the hospital, raped and had guns to their heads. I just can not under stand why the men do these things.

My girlfriend has been beaten until she was hospitalized and her father did the same thing to her mother. Do they think this is normal?

They are some of the most caring romantic, hardworking women in the world. They will do anything to please their man or spouse. But the men still cheat and do acts of violence on them.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: dennislevy on April 09, 2008, 04:32:03 PM
Not all latinos in SA beat women.  But I think that sexual infidelity after marriage in SA is rampant, probably well more then 90% acrss all economic classes.

Why?  Here ar emy opinions and that is all they are, just opinions. 

Some of it is the machismo culture and reguading sex with women as a proof of manhood. I think that a lot of American guys go through this, usually in our 20s, but we grow out of it, until some of us go to SA and then we turn into kids again! 

Some of it is that many SA men are spoiled when they are raised.  And they know they can get away with more.

Som of it is that there is no comprehensive body of law in SA countries that protect the rights of women and financial support for children. Many posters on this board complain about the effects of the feminist revolution in the US, nothing like it has happeend in SA.

Having said all of that, we know the positives of the latina and it is why we travel to Colombia, or Brazil or Peru, or CR or wherever.  But this treatment by men of women has also produced significant deviations in the "latina personality" that revolve around issues of trust, abuse and abandonment.

When we experience "flaky" behavior from latinas, sometimes it is their pasts, and sometimes it is a combination of their pasts and our actions.

Dennis

     







Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: michaelb on April 09, 2008, 04:47:54 PM
In one sentence: Because they can.

No, I am NOT condoning those types of acts, just pointing out the obvious.  In many places the domestic violence laws are weak and/or unenforced and many of the women are much more financially dependent on the man than in the US and Canada. Doesn't make it right nor give them the right to hurt them, but it does unfortunately give the power. Let me repeat that I don't condone those acts.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 09, 2008, 05:01:50 PM
Violence seems much more acceptable in Brazil period, not just DV. I was explaining some of our laws about assault to a Brazilian girl, and she was like "if the laws were like that here, the streets would be empty." Americans, despite our reputation, are pretty peaceful people.

Also, guys are taught visiting prostitutes is fine. That leads to a certain objectification of women, and gives guys an easy, available alternative to their girlfriend.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 09, 2008, 07:58:31 PM
Just look how well we treat our women up here and how much they walk all over us.  :o

I used to love her,...
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 09, 2008, 09:12:35 PM
Just look how well we treat our women up here and how much they walk all over us.  :o

I used to love her,...


"It rubs the lotion on it's skin..."


Ok, OK! I'll quit! This guy is just too easy!  ;D
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: utopiacowboy on April 09, 2008, 09:21:45 PM
My wife would have liked to marry a Colombiano after her husband died but few Colombian men are interested in an older widow with children. At least not for marriage. A lot of it has to do with the women and their poor economic situation - they put up with a lot because they don't have many choices. Among my wife's other six siblings, I do not know of any of the men who cheat on their wives or abuse them.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 09, 2008, 09:33:37 PM

I used to love her,...

Henry,  Is that quote from the Gun N Roses song that I think it is from?

Fathertime!
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: bp on April 09, 2008, 09:53:06 PM
not to threadjack, but:

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My wife would have liked to marry a Colombiano after her husband died...

This seems to convey the idea that AMs are LWs second choice for partners. What is your (or any other AMs) response to this?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Researcher on April 10, 2008, 01:57:24 AM
not to threadjack, but:

This seems to convey the idea that AMs are LWs second choice for partners. What is your (or any other AMs) response to this?

                After living in the latin culture for a while and getting to know alot of people I think that LWs want good partners....just like us AMs.I've seen so many latin men mistreat their wives and girlfriends so much that I can understand why they(LWs) choose AMs.I guess there are some LWs who would choose a latin man but the majority that I've known would take an AM for first choice.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Researcher on April 10, 2008, 02:01:03 AM

"It rubs the lotion on it's skin..."


Ok, OK! I'll quit! This guy is just too easy!  ;D

                ;D jajajaja...good one Soltero
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: michaelb on April 10, 2008, 02:08:28 AM
Henry,  Is that quote from the Gun N Roses song that I think it is from?

Fathertime!

Well, I aint saying Guns N Roses didn't cover it (because they may well have, they certainly covered "Dead Flowers") but it's from "It's All Over Now" by the Rolling Stones-from 1964.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 10, 2008, 06:08:55 AM
not to threadjack, but:

This seems to convey the idea that AMs are LWs second choice for partners. What is your (or any other AMs) response to this?

Regardless of the situation, whether good or bad, the majority of the herd wants what is familiar over anything else. That is true the world over. There are always only a few individuals considering the whole that choose to want anything different from what the masses are having.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: raycjs on April 10, 2008, 08:25:24 AM
When i was speaking to my girl about this subject here is what she told me. She told me that it is very normal for the husband to work and support the family and for the wife not to ask questions when her husband does not come home or is out with his friends all this means is that he has 1 or 2 girls friends. The wife does not say much because he is supporting her and the children. The LA women i believe care more about there children and there well being then there LA man. I was also told that it is very normal for a LA man to slap his wife around.... My girl gets a wopping $ 50.00 a month for child support and if he does not pay she says it is not worth the effort to fight him. She also tells me that most of the men in Colombia until the age of 50 all they want to do is party and have sex with as many women as they can. She also tells me that 90% of the LA women want to find a good man that wants to be a family man and not party all the time. She also told me that going out and partting every once in a while is fine but not all the time. She tells me that is why the American guy can travel to Colombia and find some of the best women in the world and they will fall in love just because most of us where raised where are mother where respected and loved  and not abused. i we respect women. Again this is only my girls opinion


Ray
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 10, 2008, 09:52:48 AM
My girl gets a wopping $ 50.00 a month for child support and if he does not pay she says it is not worth the effort to fight him.

She also tells me that 90% of the LA women want to find a good man that wants to be a family man and not party all the time.

Ray

My Girlfriend tells me that she feels sad for her daughters father is not in her life. I told her for what he has done to both of them he does not have any right to be in any part their life.

We have only gone out dancing drinking once in the last week . Everynight we go to another friends or families house for supper.

Everyone here wants to meet me.. Kind of strange but it is a good time.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 10, 2008, 10:11:37 AM
Regardless of the situation, whether good or bad, the majority of the herd wants what is familiar over anything else. That is true the world over. There are always only a few individuals considering the whole that choose to want anything different from what the masses are having.
Yep, just like an FW is rarely an AM's first choice. You have to be convinced there's a better option before you discard what is normal.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: bp on April 10, 2008, 10:31:33 AM
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Yep, just like an FW is rarely an AM's first choice. You have to be convinced there's a better option before you discard what is normal.

Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get at. I guess I was a little vague with my question. Opting to pursue a LW/AM is a big step for everyone involved, and I am curious about what goes into making that step when most people don't. Actually, I this is going to tie into a post I have planned for (hopefully) later today.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 10, 2008, 11:37:59 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get at. I guess I was a little vague with my question. Opting to pursue a LW/AM is a big step for everyone involved, and I am curious about what goes into making that step when most people don't. Actually, I this is going to tie into a post I have planned for (hopefully) later today.
Does it really seem that complicated?

There are a lot of variations on the story, but for AM it seems to go something like this: AM is introduced to the idea of FW (a friend's wife, a vacation, studying/working abroad, an immigrant); AM decides he likes the qualities of a certain culture's women (he may have requirements for a woman that deviate from the norm for his own culture, he may have had bad luck in his own culture, basically he feels his odds are better of finding the type of woman he wants over there); AM looks into different ways of meeting FW (work abroad? reads forums, maybe meet over the internet?); AM hopefully finds a good FW and gets married.

I imagine the same is true for FW. Maybe their sister met an American guy, or they have a good experience with an AM who's on vacation, they've watched a lot of American movies and like the guys in them...something to pique their curiosity. They learn more about AM and become convinced their odds are better with an AM than their own culture. They look for ways to meet AM for marriage (agency, online?). They meet and eventually marry an AM.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: dennislevy on April 10, 2008, 12:45:22 PM

Canadian guy:

Not strange at all. Your girl may be showing you off, but also and I hope its the real motivation, she is showing you her life and what is most important to her, her friends and family.

As long as you are getting some private time with your girl, it is much more important then going dancing...unless you are not serious about her. 

But, If you are serious about her, then keep smiling, enjoy the hospitality given to you and tell the hostesses: eres una cocina fantastica!

Dennis .
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 10, 2008, 02:36:46 PM
Canadian guy:

Not strange at all. Your girl may be showing you off, but also and I hope its the real motivation, she is showing you her life and what is most important to her, her friends and family.

As long as you are getting some private time with your girl, it is much more important then going dancing...unless you are not serious about her. 

But, If you are serious about her, then keep smiling, enjoy the hospitality given to you and tell the hostesses: eres una cocina fantastica!

Dennis .

I guess that I am not used to the attention.

We are both having such a good time I am planning my next trip here in September to see her.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 10, 2008, 06:43:01 PM
Henry,  Is that quote from the Gun N Roses song that I think it is from?

Fathertime!

Who?

All I was saying is, look how well we treat our women and how much they actually hate us for it. You'd think since we uplifted them to the highest status a human being could attain in this life that they'd be the most appreciative of us and treat us like Kings in return.

Yet you have guys in Russia, Latin America and Muslim countries who treat their women like crap, yet their women love them for it and make the absolute best wives, and not out of fear either. 

I asked the same question as the thread starter: "What gives?"

And of course the sinister mind of haters are going to interpret such statements in the worst way possible, kind of like the person you told your lifestory to, who say fit to put a negative spin on everything to try to ruin your rep, all because they are miserable people who fail to realize we live in a community.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: zoomastermo on April 10, 2008, 07:10:29 PM
Who?

All I was saying is, look how well we treat our women and how much they actually hate us for it. You'd think since we uplifted them to the highest status a human being could attain in this life that they'd be the most appreciative of us and treat us like Kings in return.

Yet you have guys in Russia, Latin America and Muslim countries who treat their women like crap, yet their women love them for it and make the absolute best wives, and not out of fear either. 

I asked the same question as the thread starter: "What gives?" It's a very valid question. Is there some sort of inverse relationship at work here?

Henry,
In my opinion it is not a matter of AW hating AM.  I think it is a matter of taking us for granted.  When a person gets comfortable in a pattern or routine it is easy to take someone else for granted.  As far as that goes, AM are guilty of that as well.  Society also plays a role.  In response to your question, again I mention society.  In other cultures the women are raised and taught to treat men with respect, love, and admiration no matter what the situation.  That is just their society.  It is also one reason we find LW so enticing, to have a woman treat us with the love and respect we show them. 
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 10, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Henry,
In my opinion it is not a matter of AW hating AM.  I think it is a matter of taking us for granted.  When a person gets comfortable in a pattern or routine it is easy to take someone else for granted.  As far as that goes, AM are guilty of that as well.  Society also plays a role.  In response to your question, again I mention society.  In other cultures the women are raised and taught to treat men with respect, love, and admiration no matter what the situation.  That is just their society.  It is also one reason we find LW so enticing, to have a woman treat us with the love and respect we show them. 
Then maybe it is a matter of degree. I figure if you love someone you wouldnt take them for granted continuously and repeatedly. Of course we are all human, but part of that is recognizing our flaws and trying to correct them. I doubt that you'd have acknowledgment in AWs that they have flaws at all, much less ones in need of correcting.

But I stand by my point that they do hate us. I wont try to cite any examples because people believe what they want to believe. But I find even among western women, AWs are the most argumentative, angry, unappreciative, self-serving of the entire bunch (perhaps with Canadian and English women tying).

Even women in the feminist strong-hold of Sweden arent as bad as AWs.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 02:48:23 AM
no doubt a significant percentage of European-American women hate men. Google finds 929,000 hits on "women hate men" search critieria.  Once again, Henry nails it. 

DayTrader

sources:

www.ihatemen.com
   
How The Women's Movement Taught Women to Hate Men
By Erin Pizzey, founder of the modern women's shelter movement

http://fathersforlife.org/pizzey/how_women_were_taught_to_hate_men.htm

this one is sad, funny and unfortunately very commonly heard; from "yahoo answers"

Why do women hate men?

in general women like it when men look stupid and in turn they look more intelligent men try to be nice to women while women sing songs about men are *** holes and stuff i mean men had the power and they decided to let women in n door before them and pull out their chairs for them women and women take it for granted i think we should be equel and respect should be erned you cant expect to be respected just because your female
let me give you an example if i bring out a movie ''5 reasons why guys are *** holes'' all the women will want to watch it and men might act like they think its funy or maby they will find it funy but if i release a movie 5 reasons why women are b-i-tches the women will flip and theyll never watch it
i even had a girl that asked me why are guys such *** holes?
what the hell i am the nicest guy shes ever met in her life probably i told her because women are such b-itches she cried and her mother shaton my head and my dad told me i should respect women more  (exactly what Marc Rudov says...men are trained to 'bend over' for women!)

source:
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080410020335AAEclwl
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 07:13:43 AM
Soooo- did all of our mothers just spring from the earth or were they all imported. They are american women, too. And how about our sisters? Was there somehow divine intervention or maybe they were all raised by wolves?

American women are just sooo bad and the attendent statements-Latin men are all soo bad beating their women and having sex with any female in striking distance, Russian men are all drunks and philanderers. American men are sooo wonderful.

Raised by the same mothers and fathers who raised their siblings of the other sex, instilling the same value system. How do we explain this factor?

Or is it just the opinion of a very small sampling of those who want to search outside their own caste and culture?

Keep in mind that I havent dated an American in 20 years.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 11, 2008, 07:17:35 AM
Then maybe it is a matter of degree. I figure if you love someone you wouldnt take them for granted continuously and repeatedly. Of course we are all human, but part of that is recognizing our flaws and trying to correct them. I doubt that you'd have acknowledgment in AWs that they have flaws at all, much less ones in need of correcting.

But I stand by my point that they do hate us. I wont try to cite any examples because people believe what they want to believe. But I find even among western women, AWs are the most argumentative, angry, unappreciative, self-serving of the entire bunch (perhaps with Canadian and English women tying).

Even women in the feminist strong-hold of Sweden arent as bad as AWs.
Henry, I completely agree with you! I never could understand how people could intentionally hurt someone, and then tell them they love them in the same breath. In my experiences, when I use to play on women, they did everything they could to appease me. It seemed like it gave them something to work for. But, when I started to be truthful and treated them with respect, they didn't try as hard. And, when I left them, they always wanted to come back, hence the games they play. This is why I'm looking abroad, You can't build a successful relationship on the games aw seems to love so much! :)
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 07:48:25 AM
Soooo- did all of our mothers just spring from the earth or were they all imported. They are american women, too. And how about our sisters? Was there somehow divine intervention or maybe they were all raised by wolves?

American women are just sooo bad and the attendent statements-Latin men are all soo bad beating their women and having sex with any female in striking distance, Russian men are all drunks and philanderers. American men are sooo wonderful.

Raised by the same mothers and fathers who raised their siblings of the other sex, instilling the same value system. How do we explain this factor?

Or is it just the opinion of a very small sampling of those who want to search outside their own caste and culture?

Keep in mind that I havent dated an American in 20 years.

so WM3rd is doing his best imitation of PDaddy? 

We're NOT talking about your mother; we're talking about women that are in their 20's to our age. 


The women that hate men is clearly a generational issue, particularly a significant % of those that turned 18 after the mid-70's.  Since you haven't dated European-American women in 20 years, your first hand information regarding this phenomenon is clearly out of date.  The hate-men situation is likely exacerbated by independence/self-reliance of an individual armed with Ipods, Blackberries, MySpace, even the growth of the homosexual movement (lesbians typically REALLY hate men).

Facts, my dear Watson bear this out plus tons of anecdotal evidence strewn among our friends, past relationships, TV shows and culture. 

DayTrader



Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 08:06:27 AM
Sir- I dont bother responding to you anymore because I have reached the conclusion that you are not the average american guy to engage in discourse. I mean-you are really in that less than one percent range. If you were a postal worker, you would have already taken your coworkers with you to see Jesus.

 I posed the question because of the constant mantra about AW. They grow up with us, bucko. Where did our mothers and fathers screw up?

Ten years ago it was all about the wonderful Russian women and the dirtball Russian men. Deeper thinkers started wondering. . . .

So now we limit the discussion to a discrete age group of AW? Who were their parents?

I think we are dealing with a small sampling of the disaffected who are seeking the same. There is nothing wrong with that but put it in perspective
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 11, 2008, 08:14:32 AM
Soooo- did all of our mothers just spring from the earth or were they all imported. They are american women, too. And how about our sisters? Was there somehow divine intervention or maybe they were all raised by wolves?

American women are just sooo bad and the attendent statements-Latin men are all soo bad beating their women and having sex with any female in striking distance, Russian men are all drunks and philanderers. American men are sooo wonderful.

Raised by the same mothers and fathers who raised their siblings of the other sex, instilling the same value system. How do we explain this factor?

Or is it just the opinion of a very small sampling of those who want to search outside their own caste and culture?

Keep in mind that I havent dated an American in 20 years.
William3rd, I don't think that All american women are bad at all. I do think it's very difficult to build a successful and lasting relationship with one. There are many reasons for this; the biggest one for me, they are taught at a young age to compete with men; Imo, you can't build a sucessful relationship this way. We have effectively technology ourselves out of power, lol. And, I certainly dont believe, that all latin men are abusive, liars and cheaters. A lot of people process information by what they hear, instead of what they experience, this is how stereotypes are created. Like Soltero always says "Women are women everywhere"; the only difference between them, Imo, is how they are raised!
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 11, 2008, 08:23:31 AM
I guess that I am not used to the attention.

We are both having such a good time I am planning my next trip here in September to see her.

I had a good talk with one of my girlfriends Amigas last night. She told me that my girlfriend feels like a princess. I do not think she has anyone actually treat her good or like a equal ever. It took me to days for me to get her to believe that she is really beautiful inside and out.

I tell her that yes there is lots of very good looking women in Brazil. But I have found what I was looking for.

She is carring a little baggage around with her but who isn't. My first marrage ended badly but not anything like she had to go through.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 08:53:13 AM
If you were a postal worker, you would have already taken your coworkers with you to see Jesus.


Surpassing any known standard of personal attack and insult that I know of. 

So now we limit the discussion to a discrete age group of AW? Who were their parents?

Interesting topic but not what we were talking about, imo.  You might want to start another thread for that. 

I think we are dealing with a small sampling of the disaffected who are seeking the same. There is nothing wrong with that but put it in perspective

You are entitled to your opinion.  I believe it is a significant %.  Considering that men of all age groups are seeking FW (even in their 20's)  I think the anger of American women towards American men  is significant (I did not say "all" or "most"...), spans all age ranges and is ingrained in our corrosive (of family values) American culture. 

One could logically come to the conclusion it is not "efficient" to find a AW that holds to traditional family values but it is more efficient to go overseas for a try. 



DayTrader



Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 09:06:57 AM
I don't see how Henry nailed anything here. There is NO WAY I could ever fix my mind to believe I am hated by an ENTIRE group of people. Hate is a very strong word, and to be honest, anyone who either feels it for others, or believes it is directed towards them needs guidance. I know that misery loves company, but when referring to "hated", I would think that is a personal issue, and wonder why I need to be lumped in with that with us. If you feel that women hate you, then I am sorry for you, but that does not mean my sympathy reflects a kindred spirit when it comes to being despised!  :D

No offense, but in all reality, if anyone is having such experiences with women where they actually feel hated, then going somewhere else is not going to change that much. Whatever exists within you to allow yourself to be mistreated to the point of being THAT bitter is within you, and taken advantage of by others...Latinas will do the same thing to you if that's the case.

There are babies being born every day all over the world, including right here in the US of A...for that to happen, those of the hated can't possibly be in any kind of majority.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 09:09:47 AM

One could logically come to the conclusion it is not "efficient" to find a AW that holds to traditional family values but it is more efficient to go overseas for a try. 

DayTrader


Now that, I can agree with. Sad to say, but it is much easier to find quality getting on a plane than hanging out locally...
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 09:13:13 AM
I don't see how Henry nailed anything here. There is NO WAY I could ever fix my mind to believe I am hated by an ENTIRE group of people.

A grossly inaccurate characterization of what was posted by me (see original post below). 

no doubt a significant percentage of European-American women hate men. Google finds 929,000 hits on "women hate men" search critieria.  Once again, Henry nails it.

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 09:19:30 AM
I agree with your position for the most part, moneyrone.

Most of the ones that we see in our age group are the damaged ones-either damaged by the AM they married or carrying a lot of baggage from whatever source-family upbringing, emotional problems, etc. The available ones are those who were cast adrift.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 09:21:43 AM
A grossly inaccurate characterization of what was posted by me (see original post below). 

no doubt a significant percentage of European-American women hate men. Google finds 929,000 hits on "women hate men" search critieria.  Once again, Henry nails it.

DayTrader




Daytrader, you said that Henry nailed it. Not that you nailed it. What Henry said was that American women hate us. The only thing in your post I was responding to was the grossly inaccurate  ;D remark that Henry nailed anything.

I don't believe what I posted was inaccurate at all.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 09:50:13 AM
Soltero, you quoted my term "nailed" it, therefore you are referencing my post. Since you deny referencing my post, I'd suggest you edit your post and take "nailed " out. 

Who?

All I was saying is, look how well we treat our women and how much they actually hate us for it. You'd think since we uplifted them to the highest status a human being could attain in this life that they'd be the most appreciative of us and treat us like Kings in return.

Yet you have guys in Russia, Latin America and Muslim countries who treat their women like crap, yet their women love them for it and make the absolute best wives, and not out of fear either. 

I asked the same question as the thread starter: "What gives?"


Henry's point is dealing with culture - Western women are the most powerful and free women on earth at any time in human history.  Muslim women that are subject to radical Sharia law (Iran) are probably the most subjugated and oppressed. 

Tie in Henry's point of how many Western women react to this power and many women's hostility toward Western men (specificially in the USA) and one must question why do Western women feel that way?  That's a pretty deep concept, imo. 

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 11, 2008, 09:54:23 AM
Now that, I can agree with. Sad to say, but it is much easier to find quality getting on a plane than hanging out locally...
I totally agree with you..

The women down her love their families very much and manage everything working 10 hours a day for very little pay. All they are looking for is a faithful loving spouse no mater what age he is. They are the best in the world.

As for what everyone at home in Canada is going to think about my new relationship with my girlfriend. I do not really care...
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 09:58:48 AM
Who?

All I was saying is, look how well we treat our women and how much they actually hate us for it. You'd think since we uplifted them to the highest status a human being could attain in this life that they'd be the most appreciative of us and treat us like Kings in return.

what is highlighted above in red does not infer that ALL WOMEN hate, or MOST WOMEN HATE --- it deals with a point of degree "how much they actually hate us for it". 

"it"  refers to how "well" American men TREAT AW.  Generally we treat them VERY well, versus how women are treated in Africa (slavery, human trafficing), many Arab countries (teenagers are killed for dating Westerners, Saudi women can't even be with a male that is not her brother or husband at ANY time in her life).

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Grimjack on April 11, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
I don't believe that most AW women hate men. I truly think that they have very little respect for men. They treat men poorly because men are "nice guys" and allow it. If more men would not settle for AW and their crappy attitudes, their behavior would change. As it is most men are willing to put up with countless amounts of crap, for a few table scraps of sex. A very small portion of us realize we don't want to get table scraps when we could be dining on a full meal just a plane ticket away......
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 10:08:21 AM
Soltero, you quoted my term "nailed" it, therefore you are referencing my post. Since you deny referencing my post, I'd suggest you edit your post and take "nailed " out. 

Henry's point is dealing with culture - Western women are the most powerful and free women on earth at any time in human history.  Muslim women that are subject to radical Sharia law (Iran) are probably the most subjugated and oppressed. 

Tie in Henry's point of how many Western women react to this power and many women's hostility toward Western men (specificially in the USA) and one must question why do Western women feel that way?  That's a pretty deep concept, imo. 

DayTrader



Daytrader, I clarified what I was referencing  in your post, and pardon me if it is sailing over my head, but I can't see how I could have made it any clearer.

As far as Henry's statements alluding that American women are out of hand, I don't disagree. What I disagree with is the blanket statement that we are unilaterally hated. Someone is still tapping on some doors somewhere with all of the rounded bellies that tend to pop up by this time of year.

Also, since you brought it up, I am curious as to how the deduction that Arab women were loving and happy in their circumstance as compared to the arse kissed AWs. The Arab women I have known with enough cash to get away with it usually come here to party and act worse than AWs most of the time before suiting back up and heading home. Now, these women were the daughters of Muslim men and not wives. They could party with the best of 'em. The fact that they were risking their lives to have a good time (if word ever got back to their families) doesn't suggest that they are all that pleased with having a foot on their neck as Henry suggests.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 11, 2008, 10:09:48 AM
Who?

All I was saying is, look how well we treat our women and how much they actually hate us for it. You'd think since we uplifted them to the highest status a human being could attain in this life that they'd be the most appreciative of us and treat us like Kings in return.

Yet you have guys in Russia, Latin America and Muslim countries who treat their women like crap, yet their women love them for it and make the absolute best wives, and not out of fear either. 

I asked the same question as the thread starter: "What gives?"

And of course the sinister mind of haters are going to interpret such statements in the worst way possible, kind of like the person you told your lifestory to, who say fit to put a negative spin on everything to try to ruin your rep, all because they are miserable people who fail to realize we live in a community.

Many young men here act like a bunch of abused puppies desperately seeking attention from 'attention ho' women.  The trick is don't seek a womans approval, just do what you want when you want & import your woman.  The men in our ever-gaying society are becoming more and more feminized, meanwhile the women are becoming more masculine.  Soon we will not be able to tell the genders apart without a visual genitalia check and that is not even 100% accurate.

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Who?

I thought you might be referencing this song.http://www.mygnr.com/lyrics/3-6.htm  If you were, it would be in keeping with Soletro's theme! :D
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 11, 2008, 10:14:15 AM
I don't believe that most AW women hate men. I truly think that they have very little respect for men. They treat men poorly because men are "nice guys" and allow it. If more men would not settle for AW and their crappy attitudes, their behavior would change. As it is most men are willing to put up with countless amounts of crap, for a few table scraps of sex. A very small portion of us realize we don't want to get table scraps when we could be dining on a full meal just a plane ticket away......

Frankly, I would rather be disliked by a woman than disrespected!  I did not realize the importance of this when I was much younger (18-22).  What a freaking gay brownose I was back then...but then I changed!

Fathertime!   
 
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 10:19:41 AM

Also, since you brought it up, I am curious as to how the deduction that Arab women were loving and happy in their circumstance as compared to the arse kissed AWs.

That's not what I was writing about..and also (I think) avoids what Henry originally posted about. 

I think both Henry and I are saying that CULTURALLY American women are treated very well compared to any other society in the World.  As comparison, some Arab women are treated less than equal, raped, killed, can't drive a car, can't wear their hair the way they want, must cover their entire body with a hijab, can't wear  make up (I can go on and on if you don't get what I am saying).....



DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Grimjack on April 11, 2008, 10:36:37 AM
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As far as Henry's statements alluding that American women are out of hand, I don't disagree. What I disagree with is the blanket statement that we are unilaterally hated. Someone is still tapping on some doors somewhere with all of the rounded bellies that tend to pop up by this time of year

The fact that women are willing to sleep with men in order to get pregnant in no way indicates that they like or respect men. It means they want babies.

If a majority of AW liked and respected men, we would'nt see the rampant man bashing that occurs daily in American mainstream media. It wouldn't have an audience and hence would not be used. However it does have an audience and unfortunately for us our brothers in arms (other men) think it is just as funny as most of the women do.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 11, 2008, 10:42:20 AM
W3D,

Yes, AWs are our wives, sisters, etc...but were they really raised the same as us? I don't think so. Sons and daughters are still raised differently, then they get out in the work force where they're expected to act as equals, and treated as equals in most every way, and apparently it's rather confusing for people (both men and women). Are we equal, or different, or what? Equal rights for women is sitll a pretty new concept, and it'll be another few generations before we get it all figured out.

I meet some great AWs every now and then. I think guys have a misconception of women. Some guys develop this perception that most women are these crazy feminists. There are a surprising amount of young professional women who have abandoned the old style of feminism. I think it's possible to find quality women out there, but I also think it would be hard to find a quality traditional woman. With the socialization AWs get now, I can't imagine there are very many bright, ambitious young women who want to settle down and be a house wife.

Soltero,

Some of those girls from the mid-east party hard, but my experience was they weren't a tenth as slutty as AWs. Maybe your experience differs. I knew some Persian girls who would go clubbing 2-3 times a week, partied hard and long, way into the morning, but were virgins who never drank alcohol.

And quite a few didn't like AM because they thought AM were shallow and just wanted sex. They liked being in America, being able to work, having more freedom, but a couple wish they had stayed at home to get married.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 10:46:22 AM
That's not what I was writing about..and also (I think) avoids what Henry originally posted about. 

I think both Henry and I are saying that CULTURALLY American women are treated very well compared to any other society in the World.  As comparison, some Arab women are treated less than equal, raped, killed, can't drive a car, can't wear their hair the way they want, must cover their entire body with a hijab, can't wear  make up (I can go on and on if you don't get what I am saying).....



DayTrader




DT, I think you are reading more into, and qualifying what the guy said. I get what you are saying, I just did not agree with what he was initially saying which is that AWs hate us. He has since edited that out, but at the time he originally wrote it, it was very direct and clear.

All I am saying is that women are women as I have said many times over. American men are fully responsible for the way American women are. If you take the same guy that gets walked over here and transplant him elsewhere, the situation will follow him. There are no magic women on this planet. Cultures where males are still dominant may provide the illusion that their women are sweet and pliable, but this is a "protect your neck" situation. ALL women whne transplaneted into a bassackward society such as ours will have to seriously fight the temptation to get away wuth whatever they can. Women here don't hate us. They may have no respect for many of us, but I can't see them hating all of us.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 10:51:52 AM
I don't believe that most AW women hate men. I truly think that they have very little respect for men. They treat men poorly because men are "nice guys" and allow it. If more men would not settle for AW and their crappy attitudes, their behavior would change. As it is most men are willing to put up with countless amounts of crap, for a few table scraps of sex. A very small portion of us realize we don't want to get table scraps when we could be dining on a full meal just a plane ticket away......

I didn't catch this until just now, but that is it exactly. No one wants to have their asses kissed incessantly. If you look at it from that point of view, you can understand what is going on. If you did the same thing to a LAtina, or any other woman, she would eventually be the same way.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 11:01:10 AM
Soltero,

Some of those girls from the mid-east party hard, but my experience was they weren't a tenth as slutty as AWs. Maybe your experience differs. I knew some Persian girls who would go clubbing 2-3 times a week, partied hard and long, way into the morning, but were virgins who never drank alcohol.

And quite a few didn't like AM because they thought AM were shallow and just wanted sex. They liked being in America, being able to work, having more freedom, but a couple wish they had stayed at home to get married.

It's kind of hard for me to qualify women as being slutty as they would have to work very hard to catch up to my whorishness back in the day. Our experiences tend to line up for the most part as far as Arab women maintaining their virtue (to a point), as they get randomly checked when at home to be sure their virginity is intact. If they don't pass the test, they either get executed to save the family's honor or get sent to a whorehouse to live out their remaining days. There are, however, ways around the test, and those that are more adventurous do indulge when they are able.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 11, 2008, 11:29:45 AM
I don't believe that most AW women hate men. I truly think that they have very little respect for men. They treat men poorly because men are "nice guys" and allow it. If more men would not settle for AW and their crappy attitudes, their behavior would change. As it is most men are willing to put up with countless amounts of crap, for a few table scraps of sex. A very small portion of us realize we don't want to get table scraps when we could be dining on a full meal just a plane ticket away......
Grimjack, I agree with parts of your position here. Although, its true that many AW don't have respect  for men; I don't think its because men are "nice guys". I believe that some men don't understand their self-worth, so they allow the BS to take place. You can be nice and not allow someone to control you, its all on YOU! To many men blame women for what has happens to them! The real question should be, why do they allow it? It's because of WEAK MEN; the feminist movement has thrived for so long, they give up their happiness, trying to appease her unrealistic expectations! Is that on AW or men? Why would she deal with the few men who is going to hold her accountable for her actions? When she can deal with majority of men who is going to put up with the BS!                                                                                                                                                               So, if you allow women to control you here, their going to control you wherever you go! Once again, its all Your choice, no one else can put You in a situation You don't want to be in!
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Grimjack on April 11, 2008, 11:41:49 AM
Grimjack, I agree with parts of your position here. Although, its true that many AW don't have respect  for men; I don't think its because men are "nice guys". I believe that some men don't understand their self-worth, so they allow the BS to take place. You can be nice and not allow someone to control you, its all on YOU! To many men blame women for what has happens to them! The real question should be, why do they allow it? It's because of WEAK MEN; the feminist movement has thrived for so long, they give up their happiness, trying to appease her unrealistic expectations! Is that on AW or men? Why would she deal with the few men who is going to hold her accountable for her actions? When she can deal with majority of men who is going to put up with the BS!                                                                                                                                                               So, if you allow women to control you here, their going to control you wherever you go! Once again, its all Your choice, no one else can put You in a situation You don't want to be in!

Money, I agree with you completely. I was using the term "nice guy" as Dr. Glover, the guy who wrote "No More Mr. Nice Guy" used it. http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com A "Nice guy" is someone who is willing to appease at all costs, he's the guy who befriends a woman and becomes her "man-bitch." She treats him like crap, and would never dream of having sex with him. He doesn't know what the problem is so he just acts more wimpy and tries to be even nicer to her. The opposite of a "nice guy" isn't an A#$hole. He's an integrated man who is comfortable with who he is. He does things because he wants to, not to please others....
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: bp on April 11, 2008, 12:07:17 PM
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If you were a postal worker, you would have already taken your coworkers with you to see Jesus.

Surpassing any known standard of personal attack and insult that I know of. 

Yeah, I'm not sure who should be more offended, the poster, postal workers, or Jesus. :P

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There are a lot of variations on the story, but for AM it seems to go something like this...

So, is that how it is? From all the posts I've read, I hadn't seen any mention of anything that bridges that gap (the friend's wife, vacation, work/study), except a bit about working abroad. My perception has been that it is more spontaneous than anything.

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Some guys develop this perception that most women are these crazy feminists. There are a surprising amount of young professional women who have abandoned the old style of feminism. I think it's possible to find quality women out there, but I also think it would be hard to find a quality traditional woman.

Do you think it's possible for a young professional woman to also subscribe to traditional family values? What would that look like?

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Researcher on April 11, 2008, 12:08:28 PM
Soooo- did all of our mothers just spring from the earth or were they all imported. They are american women, too. And how about our sisters? Was there somehow divine intervention or maybe they were all raised by wolves?

American women are just sooo bad and the attendent statements-Latin men are all soo bad beating their women and having sex with any female in striking distance, Russian men are all drunks and philanderers. American men are sooo wonderful.

Raised by the same mothers and fathers who raised their siblings of the other sex, instilling the same value system. How do we explain this factor?

Or is it just the opinion of a very small sampling of those who want to search outside their own caste and culture?

Keep in mind that I havent dated an American in 20 years.

               All the female relatives that I have(that are truly interested in my well being) are happy that I married from another culture.When I was single and looking my mother, sister and a few female cousins all told me that there were not any available women worth having here in the US.I kept myself open to women here in the US and continued to date as I traveled also.

               Single guys who are looking for a relationship should look in other countries as well as here in the US. I can't say that ALL AWs are bad at relationships but I when I compared them to FWs, none of them(AWs) came close to matching a FW.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: catz on April 11, 2008, 12:35:58 PM
What a freaking gay brownose I was back then...but then I changed!

So, you're not a brownose (brown noser) anymore?  ::)

Sorry, couldn't help myself...
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 11, 2008, 12:40:26 PM
So, is that how it is? From all the posts I've read, I hadn't seen any mention of anything that bridges that gap (the friend's wife, vacation, work/study), except a bit about working abroad. My perception has been that it is more spontaneous than anything.
You have to read for a while, but yes, I think that's usually how it works. For example, for me, it was the aforementioned Persian girls who got me interested in FW. I had never met any foreigners besides poor Mexican women (who are not very impressive) until I moved down to California. I attended one of the most diverse law schools in the US, and because it was low ranked, there were lots of immigrants who went there (immigrants struggle a lot with the LSAT). When you meet a girl and you go "wow, she is freakin' amazing," and she responds with something like "really? I'm just a normal girl in my country," you start thinking...and some guys eventually get far enough along, dissatisfied enough with the local talent, that they wind up going abroad.

I can't remember everyone's story, but I believe Soltero got started on this by dating latinas in the US. A guy just posted an intro on the Asian board and had gotten itnerested in this because of his friend's Chinese wife. I really don't see how anyone would spontaneously get involved in this. Start a poll if you're curious.
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Actually, now that I think about it, the step from thinking FWs were great to the possibility of using some agency was kind of spontaneous. I was looking at some Russian MOB sites, exchanging links over IM laughing at the sites ("Ya, like some hot ass Russian chick is going to be interested in the average joe!"), and I stumbled upon this site, which lent the whole business a lot more credibility.

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Do you think it's possible for a young professional woman to also subscribe to traditional family values? What would that look like?
I'm not saying they don't have any family values. I'm saying they don't want to be house-wives. They want to work. Maybe they'd drop work, or work part-time while their kids are young, but that's it. They also want a guy who works.

The problem I have with that is that means you have to put your children in daycare. Most people are not very concerned with that, but they should be. If you read about the abuses that go on in daycare, and how seldom children come forward with the information, people should be very scared about daycare. From my personal experience, my mom was a stay-at-home, but would occasionally do substitute teaching because we didn't have enough money to get by. At the daycare she put me in, I was beat up nearly every day by older kids, and still have a lot of bad memories, and never told anyone. I do NOT want my kid going through that.

I know one couple who have successfully worked it out in a more modern/equal way. They both work part time/stay at home part time. She's a doctor and he's a law student right now. I think it's a GREAT situation, but our work environment does not really allow for two part-time people in most occupations. I think that is where we're headed though, and I think it will be very good in 50-100 years or something. Kids get to be with both parents equally, get to be with at least one biological parent all the time...and the family still maintains enough money to get by. Right now, it's not really a realistic option.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 11, 2008, 12:46:46 PM
So, you're not a brownose (brown noser) anymore?  ::)

Sorry, couldn't help myself...

No more brown-nosing, nowadays i stick my entire head up there!

Fathertime!  
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 11, 2008, 02:17:55 PM
No more brown-nosing, nowadays i stick my entire head up there!

Fathertime!  
Too funny Fathertime!
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Canadian Guy on April 11, 2008, 02:33:11 PM
No more brown-nosing, nowadays i stick my entire head up there!

Fathertime!  
Hey man you crack me up all the time... Just way to funny....
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 11, 2008, 03:27:24 PM
Money, I agree with you completely. I was using the term "nice guy" as Dr. Glover, the guy who wrote "No More Mr. Nice Guy" used it. http://www.nomoremrniceguy.com A "Nice guy" is someone who is willing to appease at all costs, he's the guy who befriends a woman and becomes her "man-bitch." She treats him like crap, and would never dream of having sex with him. He doesn't know what the problem is so he just acts more wimpy and tries to be even nicer to her. The opposite of a "nice guy" isn't an A#$hole. He's an integrated man who is comfortable with who he is. He does things because he wants to, not to please others....
Ah, that make since Grimjack. So, according to Dr. Glover I guess I'm the A#$hole, lol! A lot AW try to put men in lose, lose situations. Imo, if you are going to lose, lose on your own terms (you will probably be called a A#$hole, though)! Btw, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Miguel_ on April 11, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
Well right now I am in Brazil. And I am hearing stories from women about what there ex-husbands or boyfriends have done to them.
Some of them have been beaten until they are in the hospital, raped and had guns to their heads. I just can not under stand why the men do these things.
My girlfriend has been beaten until she was hospitalized and her father did the same thing to her mother. Do they think this is normal?
They are some of the most caring romantic, hardworking women in the world. They will do anything to please their man or spouse. But the men still cheat and do acts of violence on them.

No disrespect Canadian Guy, but these people sound like trailer trash.  I don't think what you're describing is all that different from what happens in certain neighborhoods in the U.S.  I'd wonder if these Brazilian women are really all angels and the men violent rapists and thieves.   I haven't been following this board or your history, but you'd be wise to spend the time to know your girlfriend very well before tying the knot.  She may be a diamond in the rough.  Or she may be carrying around some emotional scars that would make life with her difficult. 

And to the rest of you, I don't get this AW/FW thing.  Do you really think they're that different when you put them in the same environment?  Yeah, there are cultural differences, but those are just as likely to work against you as with you.  As long as she thinks you're Bill Gates she's going to treat you like a king.  But if she's in an environment where there are lots of other guys just like you, the special treatment is likely to go out the window.  I've known very nice Latin women and very nice American women. And bitches from both cultures as well.  It depends much more on the individual than the culture, IMHO.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Jeff S on April 11, 2008, 06:10:05 PM
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And to the rest of you, I don't get this AW/FW thing.  Do you really think they're that different when you put them in the same environment?  Yeah, there are cultural differences, but those are just as likely to work against you as with you.  As long as she thinks you're Bill Gates she's going to treat you like a king.  But if she's in an environment where there are lots of other guys just like you, the special treatment is likely to go out the window.


Mine has stuck with me and treated men great through some very bad financial times and some very good ones. Not that the right AW wouldn't have done just the same. I agree with Sol and the others that say finding a good one is a lot easier over there (wherever that is) than over here.

Now to answer the original question: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?

Because they can. And Miguel is right, those that do that are trailer trash, or is it remolque de basura?  Real men, whether their names are Bill, Juan, Ivan, Hiroshi, or Wang treat their women with respect.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 11, 2008, 07:22:06 PM
This is so strange. I am not Barack Obama, yet every word I type is critiqued to the extreme. I wonder why. So pathetic.

William, have you heard of something called the feminist movement? Despite what is commonly known, it was led mostly by lesbians who hated men with a passion. Some of them were straight, but most were lesbians.

Now if you dont believe me, I can supply you with a list of quotations from the founders of the feminist movement detailing how much they hate men. No problem whatsoever with that.

The average woman was simply misled by other women (who I think they seem to listen to by default).

And lastly, you simply can't compare women of today to women of yesterday. Think of this. There is TV (media), educational influences (teachers with agendas), new one-sided laws, etc that women of yesterday never had. Could Grandma cook from scratch? Can the daughter of today cook from scratch? My bet is she cant even boil water. The connection? Just because they are genetically related doesnt mean that daughter is as good as Grandma.

Another point is that our mothers have a genetic investment. So it is an invalid comparison. Our mothers have a responsibility to do well by us. What kind of tyrant (besides perhaps Ivan the Terrible) kills his own offspring? Ever heard of survival of the fittest and evolution? It is in the mother's best interest to treat her children well. That does not in any way mean that she treats the father of those children well at all.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 07:53:07 PM
nice to hear that you are allowing as how the average woman was somehow led astray by a conspiracy led by disaffected middle aged lesbians:D

probably led by Hilary and Janet Reno . . . . . . 
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 11, 2008, 07:58:00 PM
William, have you heard of something called the feminist movement? Despite what is commonly known, it was led mostly by lesbians who hated men with a passion. Some of them were straight, but most were lesbians.

Now if you dont believe me, I can supply you with a list of quotations from the founders of the feminist movement detailing how much they hate men. No problem whatsoever with that.
Lesbians get along better with guys than hetero women, if anything. I'm talking about real lesbians here, not the fake bi-curious attention-whore college girl.

The founders of the feminist movement? Early feminist women like Mary Woolstonecraft believed that feminism meant women should be equal so they could assist men in walking the path of virtue. Hardly man-hating. Even in more recent movements, feminists had problems with things like the story of O, because they identified with it. Having taken women's studies classes and studied feminism in the jurisprudential context, I'd say most modern feminists don't hate men, they're just ignorant, stupid, or bat-[snip] crazy, but not man-haters except in an abstract sense.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 11, 2008, 08:30:22 PM
The feminists of the 60s to today, not 1890 or 1920.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 11, 2008, 08:30:40 PM
Lesbians get along better with guys than hetero women, if anything.


I have tons of anecdotal evidence says you are wrong (I worked in a corporation a long time ago that employed a lot of lesbians - they hated straight males), also many other contemporary examples too numerous to mention along with reality......

Also, JM, are you saying that lesbians are not in the upper echelons of the feminist movement?  Really?  They infest the feminist movement since I've been an adult. 



DayTrader


Lesbian gang attacks and stabs man in New York City

A group of lesbians from Newark, N.J., attacked and stabbed a straight man in downtown New York City early Friday morning after the man apparently came on to one of the women. Wayne Buckle, 28, was allegedly whipped by belts and then stabbed with a steak knife by Patreese Johnson in retaliation for the unwanted advance, the New York Daily News reports.

According to a police source, one of the women yelled "She's my girl, and no one hits on my girl!" during the incident. Later, at the police station house, where the seven suspects were charged with gang assault and criminal possession of a weapon, another  woman told the Daily News that Buckle "called us [homophobic slur] and he said he was going to f--- us all." Said another: "He spit on us and threw a cigarette. This is a hate crime."  8/22/06

source: http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid35815.asp

Even New York City convicted 4 of the women  of assault. 
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 11, 2008, 08:32:00 PM
nice to hear that you are allowing as how the average woman was somehow led astray by a conspiracy led by disaffected middle aged lesbians:D

probably led by Hilary and Janet Reno . . . . . . 

No one said you had to agree with what I wrote. If you dont, that's fine. We are all entitled to believe what we want. Just remember that I'm not entitled to believe what you believe, just as you dont need to believe what I believe.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 09:15:33 PM
obviously we disagree, in case you hadnt noticed. . .

Hey, arent you about ready for another avatar change?

How about Henry Kissinger?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 11, 2008, 09:24:01 PM
obviously we disagree, in case you hadnt noticed. . .

Hey, arent you about ready for another avatar change?

How about Henry Kissinger?

Be careful, WIII, disagreeing with Henry will get you blocked! We should all consider ourselves fortunate and blessed to be receiving the word on AWs from the guy who says he has NEVER DATED ONE!  :o

Yes....by all means, please agree with the guy whose strong opinions enlighten the rest of us so greatly because his vast experience in dating none of them makes him the authority on AWs here...
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 11, 2008, 09:31:11 PM
I have tons of anecdotal evidence says you are wrong (I worked in a corporation a long time ago that employed a lot of lesbians - they hated straight males), also many other contemporary examples too numerous to mention along with reality......

Also, JM, are you saying that lesbians are not in the upper echelons of the feminist movement?  Really?  They infest the feminist movement since I've been an adult. 
And I've known plenty of lesbians that get along with guys great. Especially the butch ones. It's like hanging out with a guy who's great to look at.

There are a few "lesbians" who choose to be homosexual due to bad experiences with men. They are man-haters and inhabit the feminist movement, but hardly control it. They are very vocal and oft-cited due to their extremism, but that doesn't mean they have a large amount of influence.

As far as killings go, look at what men have done to transsexuals. Some of the murders have been horrific, and have happened even in places like San Francisco. There have been plenty of murders of gay males by straight males. I'm sure there have been rapes/murders of lesbians by straight guys (do you really need to look up articles for that one?). It's just hate, pure and simple. Hate is not particular to one gender.

What I said was that most feminists are not lesbians, nor are they man-haters. They are generally just mis-informed about the issues and don't bother to research further. That puts them on par with about 90% of the population.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 11, 2008, 09:34:24 PM
Thanks for the advice, Soltero. . . .  I wouldnt want to get crossways with a guy that never dated women

in America.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Researcher on April 12, 2008, 01:44:38 AM
And to the rest of you, I don't get this AW/FW thing.  Do you really think they're that different when you put them in the same environment?  Yeah, there are cultural differences, but those are just as likely to work against you as with you.  As long as she thinks you're Bill Gates she's going to treat you like a king.  But if she's in an environment where there are lots of other guys just like you, the special treatment is likely to go out the window.  I've known very nice Latin women and very nice American women. And bitches from both cultures as well.  It depends much more on the individual than the culture, IMHO.

              After spending 10 years looking in other countries and getting to know ALOT of FWs and living and working in a foriegn country a few years before I started looking(and getting to know ALOT of people there) I'd have to say the odds of finding a good woman in another culture is better than here in the US.I think it is because of the cultural difference. How much a woman changes when she gets here may depend on her.I think the younger ones are more likely to change, but there are some that don't(younger ones that is).I know alot of people from other cultures here in the US and they do seem to change some when they get here but they stay basically the same.That's just from my experience.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: utopiacowboy on April 12, 2008, 07:13:57 AM
I work with a lot of women and I like some of them a lot. The problem is, the ones that have good personalities and are attractive are almost always attached. The ones that are unattached are usually unattached for a reason, they are damaged in some way. Making an assessment of AW based on the unattached women is a mistake because those are the bottom of the barrel women. I could find a lot of screwed up women with bad attitudes in Colombia as well.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 12, 2008, 08:04:55 AM
I work with a lot of women and I like some of them a lot. The problem is, the ones that have good personalities and are attractive are almost always attached. The ones that are unattached are usually unattached for a reason, they are damaged in some way. Making an assessment of AW based on the unattached women is a mistake because those are the bottom of the barrel women. I could find a lot of screwed up women with bad attitudes in Colombia as well.

excellent point UC....a guy that was recently divorced was discussing dating tactics with me...I advised him that the first thing he should think about when he meets a dating prospect is "why is she single?".   Once he finds out the answer to that question, then proceed with caution or drop her like a hot potato.  Another reason to get on a plane with your passport.  The numbers are on your side, plus it's fun and interesting! 

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Jeff S on April 12, 2008, 09:11:25 AM
The good ones often get snatched up quickly. I wasn't ready in my early 20s and by the time I was, the picking were mighty slim. That's why I went overseas.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 12, 2008, 09:27:43 AM
I  hope this epiphany slowly fans out and glows across the board. I am sure that if we all look back, we can remember that there were probably plenty of AWs that would have made excellent wives if they could have been gotten to in time (before "life" got to them).

I am with Jeff...I knew I wasn't ready back in the day, and the pickings now are slim to none, but to say that all women here are hellish ballbusters without taking some responsibility for why they are that way is not fair nor valid. I am sure that if we all take the time to remember, we can pull out at least one or two American women from our pasts that would have been keepers if the timing were right, etc., etc....

 
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: eldercunningham on April 12, 2008, 09:45:01 AM
Soltero,
You make a good point. In all sincerity we all should consider what we have contributed to the problem in our younger day's not willing to commit. Some of us done varying degrees of damage, so to a limited degree it is hard to look at AW's behaviour without looking at our own. It is with this thought in mind that I am still open to a AW, however a blind man can see the benefits associated with a relationship with a Latina.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 12, 2008, 10:06:18 AM
Thanks for the advice, Soltero. . . .  I wouldnt want to get crossways with a guy that never dated women

in America.
I should say I've never been on a date with an American woman. I have banged some chicks from the internet way back, but no dates. As for relationships on American soil, it was always with FWs.

But thanks for sharing in the hate. We should all be above personal attacks, shouldnt we?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 12, 2008, 10:08:52 AM
Be careful, WIII, disagreeing with Henry will get you blocked! We should all consider ourselves fortunate and blessed to be receiving the word on AWs from the guy who says he has NEVER DATED ONE!  :o

Yes....by all means, please agree with the guy whose strong opinions enlighten the rest of us so greatly because his vast experience in dating none of them makes him the authority on AWs here...
I have never been in a relationship with AWs. That does not mean that I havent had enough interaction with them in my every day life to see what they are all about. A conversation with a woman over a few hours should tell you most of her views on life, marriage, children, the sexes, relationships, money, etc. It doesnt take dating one to realize her viewpoints tend to be a certain way which arent conducive to long term relationships. How's that for generalization?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 12, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
I have never been in a relationship with AWs. That does not mean that I havent had enough interaction with them in my every day life to see what they are all about. How's that for generalization?

That's like saying, "I live near a rose garden, but I can see all the bees from over here, so I am not going to try and sniff one because I might get stung, but since I live near the garden, I consider myself an expert on roses anyway. Hell, I have all the books and I can see them from here."

I consider it the epitome of arrogance to think you can sit on the sidelines and actually believe you even HAVE an opinion! Personally, I want to hear what the guy that got stung has to say about the experience.

I thought you had me blocked?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 12, 2008, 10:26:26 AM
Soltero, why do I get this feeling that some of our members will be on the next comet out of Dodge?. . . . They missed Halle-Bopp and are just waiting for the next arrival.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 12, 2008, 10:28:12 AM
Soltero, why do I get this feeling that some of our members will be on the next comet out of Dodge?. . . . They missed Halle-Bopp and are just waiting for the next arrival.

WIII, my thoughts were along the lines of "don't drink the kool-aid"!  ;)
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 12, 2008, 10:31:04 AM
 I am sure that if we all take the time to remember, we can pull out at least one or two American women from our pasts that would have been keepers if the timing were right, etc., etc....

As I look back, I can say I dodged a few bullets too, but yes while young there were plenty of nice girls with good intentions that were cast into the outer darkness simply because of greaner pastures I guess.  That is typical for a young man

On a side note, I am obviously no longer a 'looker' in any way, but low and behold the last 2 days I have had a very young & attractive lady of 23 come over and hold my gaze & make her intentions clear, while her daughter and my daughters swam in my little above ground pool that I dragged out.  It is reminiscent of my life about 20 years ago but this sort of thing can put an old fella in a bit of a jam.  I am always amazed when these sort of opportunities arise, especially when I look at myself in the mirror.  

 
Fathertime!  
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 12, 2008, 10:38:57 AM
Quote
I should say I've never been on a date with an American woman. I have banged some chicks from the internet way back, but no dates.

I think "Dates" are the totally corny.  I never go on 'dates' with American women, that was just not how things were ever done in my life.
Even when I took a lady to the drive in movie theater, I did not consider it a 'date'.
Fathertime!
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 12, 2008, 10:40:40 AM

On a side note, I am obviously no longer a 'looker' in any way, but low and behold the last 2 days I have had a very young & attractive lady of 23 come over and hold my gaze & make her intentions clear, while her daughter and my daughters swam in my little above ground pool that I dragged out.
 
Fathertime!  

FT, you have a helluva water system in your town.....what are they putting in it that would affect the female gender to such an extent?  LOL

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Henry on April 12, 2008, 10:45:28 AM
Ahh, OK. So it would be arrogant for me to say that your chances of finding a traditional woman in the US are slim? I dont think that is stretching it. And I stand by what I said - most AWs do have some underlying hate for men. I dont have to date them to see that. Try debating one and you'll find out very quickly. I've talked to enough women to figure out that most of them do have a negative view on men. For example, what do you think most AWs think when you tell them you are marrying a FW? The first thing they'll most likely think or say is "that loser had to get a Mail Order Bride." But I'm sure no AW thinks this way of either of you two.

Now I see that you guys are striking at the personal. That is what people with weak arguments do. I must have struck some emotional cord that has brought down the ideological world you've held onto since childhood. My apologies. Halle-Bopp? That's ridiculous. But have fun if you it makes you feel better to call me crazy.

And if you don't like my opinions, hey, there is an ignore function. :D
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: fathertime on April 12, 2008, 11:13:13 AM
FT, you have a helluva water system in your town.....what are they putting in it that would affect the female gender to such an extent?  LOL

DayTrader

I hear you DT.
Whatever they've done, I'm considering bottling it up and taking to the Miss America pagent.

Fathertime!  
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: daytrader on April 12, 2008, 12:46:38 PM
Ahh, OK. So it would be arrogant for me to say that your chances of finding a traditional woman in the US are slim? I dont think that is stretching it. And I stand by what I said - most AWs do have some underlying hate for men. I dont have to date them to see that. Try debating one and you'll find out very quickly. I've talked to enough women to figure out that most of them do have a negative view on men. For example, what do you think most AWs think when you tell them you are marrying a FW? The first thing they'll most likely think or say is "that loser had to get a Mail Order Bride." But I'm sure no AW thinks this way of either of you two.

Now I see that you guys are striking at the personal. That is what people with weak arguments do. I must have struck some emotional cord that has brought down the ideological world you've held onto since childhood. My apologies. Halle-Bopp? That's ridiculous. But have fun if you it makes you feel better to call me crazy.

And if you don't like my opinions, hey, there is an ignore function. :D

hell, forget about dating AW, just trying having a talk with them!  I was trying to have a normal conversation with a typical AW at a get together at a friend's house (after a baby's baptism).  I mentioned to this woman that I was between boats and I was looking at a pre-owned Bluewater Yacht  -- her first statement was " well, you don't know how to pilot one of those, who is going to drive the boat after you buy it?". 

1> She didn't know my nautical experience
2> She immediately adopted the viewpoint that I was incompetent
3> She immediately came to the conclusion that she need to give me her advice
4> She had no faith that I could exercise good judgement in making the decision to buy, maintain and pilot a $300k to $400k motor yacht.  (when moving to a larger size boat, a buyer typically gets training on the bigger boat by the buyers salesman for free in exchange for the salesman getting the very decent commission.  Also, docking and preventive maintenance for the next year is also typically built into the price for the yacht.  You get a much lower price for these services from the Marina where the boat is listed for sale.)

Typical AW that is ignorant of how things are done (when did an AW ever admit she didn't know something and calmly asked for your advice?) and incapable of treating a male with respect. 

DayTrader

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: jm21-2 on April 12, 2008, 12:55:18 PM
I agree with Jeff and Sol....if you missed the boat, you can be out of luck. Luckily the marriage age is going up, so occasionally I meet a nice girl who's completing graduate school, and didn't really date that much because she was engrossed in her studies. Or she had a college sweetheart and they ended up breaking up because they went to different graduate schools and the long-distance relationship failed. Unfortunately, they're just starting on their careers and, like I said, the idea of being a house-wife has absolutely zero appeal to them. I've met maybe two who can even cook, heh. If I wanted a working woman though, I'd probably be hitched.

EDIT:
Another thing I don't like about working women, is that you have to conform your career to theirs. Yes, a house-wife doesn't want to be moving around all the time, but she's not facing the same consequences of a career woman.

I mean, after college I moved home, then moved to CA for law school, then back up to a different part of Oregon, and now I'm thinking about joining the Army, or teaching abroad, and will take the WA bar. If I was married to a career woman, would she have been alright with all those moves? That's a lot to ask of a woman. More likely I would have had to compromise and my choice of schools and jobs would be much more limited.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: william3rd on April 12, 2008, 02:32:35 PM
Your wish is my command, Boppster!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 12, 2008, 02:39:24 PM
Ahh, OK. So it would be arrogant for me to say that your chances of finding a traditional woman in the US are slim? I dont think that is stretching it. And I stand by what I said - most AWs do have some underlying hate for men. I dont have to date them to see that. Try debating one and you'll find out very quickly. I've talked to enough women to figure out that most of them do have a negative view on men. For example, what do you think most AWs think when you tell them you are marrying a FW? The first thing they'll most likely think or say is "that loser had to get a Mail Order Bride." But I'm sure no AW thinks this way of either of you two.

Now I see that you guys are striking at the personal. That is what people with weak arguments do. I must have struck some emotional cord that has brought down the ideological world you've held onto since childhood. My apologies. Halle-Bopp? That's ridiculous. But have fun if you it makes you feel better to call me crazy.

And if you don't like my opinions, hey, there is an ignore function. :D

Saying that most AWs hate men would be erroneous. Saying that ALL AWs (which is what you said) is just looney tunes. I have already stated what my issue is with you. I don't think you are unintelligent by any stretch of the imagination. I just think you are a couch potato when it comes to life and use your intelligence to talk yourself out of going outside and letting some sunshine hit you. Most of what you say seems based in theory rather than any kind of social experience whatsoever.

If you want to leave the block off and debate me directly and assist me with revamping what I believe to be an accurate opinion of you, then please do so. Just be aware that my opinion is based solely on what you, yourself have written, so I would lay off the haughty "I know everything there is to know" taint to your writings unless you want me to help you to help yourself look as foolish as possible. Whenever you are ready, I will gladly meet you in the Flame Room, until then, chew on my opinion until you start hacking. I would hope you would say something to change it, but thus far, it's only been more of the same.

Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: osteve on April 12, 2008, 02:59:37 PM
I  hope this epiphany slowly fans out and glows across the board. I am sure that if we all look back, we can remember that there were probably plenty of AWs that would have made excellent wives if they could have been gotten to in time (before "life" got to them).

I am with Jeff...I knew I wasn't ready back in the day, and the pickings now are slim to none, but to say that all women here are hellish ballbusters without taking some responsibility for why they are that way is not fair nor valid. I am sure that if we all take the time to remember, we can pull out at least one or two American women from our pasts that would have been keepers if the timing were right, etc., etc....

 

                          Sol, thats the problem: "life " does get to them along with being raised to value independence over everything else.As far as taking responsibility for why AWs are the way they are, well, I have never been a player or mistreated women in any way so I don't feel as though I have contributed to the way they are. IMO, this is one way feminists get away with alot of crap: they portray women as victims and shame men into submission. I usually agree with ya Sol, you always have alot of good points of view. But this time I have to respectfully disagree.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 12, 2008, 03:16:09 PM
                          Sol, thats the problem: "life " does get to them along with being raised to value independence over everything else.As far as taking responsibility for why AWs are the way they are, well, I have never been a player or mistreated women in any way so I don't feel as though I have contributed to the way they are. IMO, this is one way feminists get away with alot of crap: they portray women as victims and shame men into submission. I usually agree with ya Sol, you always have alot of good points of view. But this time I have to respectfully disagree.

Osteve, I can respect your disagreement. When I say "we", I mean we as men whether we were the players or not. Maybe times have changed, but the little girls I grew up with were more interested in playing with Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens, and when they got to high school, they were doing everything they could to get the attention of the boys they were interested in (within reason). Something changed them from that to the harpies we claim they now are, and I can't believe it is any rhetoric alone.

We do have to share in some of the responsibility for the way they are. I don't consider them victims, because they should have to bear some of the responsibility as well. I am just saying that they didn't get there on their own.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: osteve on April 12, 2008, 04:22:43 PM
Osteve, I can respect your disagreement. When I say "we", I mean we as men whether we were the players or not. Maybe times have changed, but the little girls I grew up with were more interested in playing with Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens, and when they got to high school, they were doing everything they could to get the attention of the boys they were interested in (within reason). Something changed them from that to the harpies we claim they now are, and I can't believe it is any rhetoric alone.

We do have to share in some of the responsibility for the way they are. I don't consider them victims, because they should have to bear some of the responsibility as well. I am just saying that they didn't get there on their own.

                     I agree with ya Sol, and the way I handle my responsibilty is to treat women with respect. You may not consider them victims but I think alot of AWs feel that they are.The best thing I ever did was to marry a woman from another culture.She doesn't have any of the baggage that AWs have and she appreciates me.I would have been hard pressed to find that here in the US.

                    We men do need to accept some(only some) of the responsibility for the way AWs are only because we are a part(only a part) of the society that has produced them, but it is up to the AWs to change and move forward.They don't need to keep blaming men for the way they are and never move on. I think more men in the US and other feminist plagued countries should look elsewhere for women that are capable of having a good relationship.....that is, of course, if the men can't find it in their own back yards.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: af1 on April 12, 2008, 04:57:18 PM
Osteve, I can respect your disagreement. When I say "we", I mean we as men whether we were the players or not. Maybe times have changed, but the little girls I grew up with were more interested in playing with Barbies and Easy Bake Ovens, and when they got to high school, they were doing everything they could to get the attention of the boys they were interested in (within reason). Something changed them from that to the harpies we claim they now are, and I can't believe it is any rhetoric alone.

We do have to share in some of the responsibility for the way they are. I don't consider them victims, because they should have to bear some of the responsibility as well. I am just saying that they didn't get there on their own.

                      Something does happen, they get old enough to watch Oprah and are raised to believe that their independence is the most important thing of all.They are not taught a sense of balance.I just don't believe that the way women are is directly related to the way men treat them.After all, if it were, wouldn't Latinas be much worse than women here in the US?Latin men treat their women much worse than American men treat AWs.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: utopiacowboy on April 12, 2008, 05:06:15 PM
Interesting. My wife got married the first time at the age of 28. She did not want to get married any younger than that because she wanted to make sure that she got an education and got her career started. She was afraid that if she got involved with someone, that would have put an end to that. She values her independence and ability to stand on her own two feet. It allowed her to take care of her family after her husband died.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: af1 on April 12, 2008, 05:53:02 PM
Interesting. My wife got married the first time at the age of 28. She did not want to get married any younger than that because she wanted to make sure that she got an education and got her career started. She was afraid that if she got involved with someone, that would have put an end to that. She values her independence and ability to stand on her own two feet. It allowed her to take care of her family after her husband died.

     Exactly UC, thats the sense of balance that AWs lack.She(your wife) values her independence but still values family.Where is she from?
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: utopiacowboy on April 12, 2008, 06:52:09 PM
Exactly. She is from Medellin and there are plenty more like her.
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: moneyrone on April 12, 2008, 07:23:41 PM
                      Something does happen, they get old enough to watch Oprah and are raised to believe that their independence is the most important thing of all.They are not taught a sense of balance.I just don't believe that the way women are is directly related to the way men treat them.After all, if it were, wouldn't Latinas be much worse than women here in the US?Latin men treat their women much worse than American men treat AWs.
Af1, like you said, AW are taught to be independant at a very young age. They are also taught to compete with men, almost on every level! Thats why they believe men and women are interchangeable when it comes to building a family. Men are made to feel like an A$#hole  if he stands up for himself. When I talk to AW about this, some say they know there's a double stantard in there favor, but if men allow it, that's on them! It's all about balance, with anything. Imo, we live in a society, thats not producing good men or women
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: Hoda on April 14, 2008, 04:21:13 AM
Easy Bake Ovens.

Oh Snap....I haven't heard that in a month of Sunday's  ;D I betcha, you still have some of those little Green plastic Army men & the "Afro-pic" with the peace sign in the middle ;D ;D ;D ;D

Anybody got any "Original Speed Racer or Gigantor" DVD's  :D ;D :D ;D

Peace....Hoda
Title: Re: Why do men from Latin America treat women so badly?
Post by: soltero on April 14, 2008, 09:10:10 AM
I betcha, you still have some of those little Green plastic Army men & the "Afro-pic" with the peace sign in the middle ;D ;D ;D ;D

Only in my memories!  ;D Those were the days, huh?