Hello and advice

[Fosgate5]

Also as others have suggested bringing a few small gifts when you go. Some people here may think it is inappropriate but maybe read this and make a decision for yourself when you go. (Listen to the voice in your head)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasalubong

[bcc_1_2]

Speaking of "tasteless"... Your repeated attempts to start a flame war with your childish little comments have become "par for the course".

Let's assume everything you wrote above is 100% accurate. A matter of days ago you called him gay. That's about as childish as it gets. Pot calling the kettle black at a minimum.

[Fosgate5]

I don't think I would engage Ray if I were Robert either. The outbursts that I have seen are irrational and illogical of the type one would clinically see with someone with either a chemical/alcohol problem or psychological dysfunction. Either way potentially dangerous to himself and others around him. Ray I understand you may be a fellow veteran brother, but you got some personal demons you have to work out. No one here wishes ill on you.

[robert angel]

I don't think I would engage Ray if I were Robert either. The outbursts that I have seen are irrational and illogical of the type one would clinically see with someone with either a chemical/alcohol problem or psychological dysfunction. Either way potentially dangerous to himself and others around him. Ray I understand you may be a fellow veteran brother, but you got some personal demons you have to work out. No one here wishes ill on you.

Let's assume everything you wrote above is 100% accurate. A matter of days ago you called him gay. That's about as childish as it gets. Pot calling the kettle black at a minimum.

As it's Willam's thread that's been effected and him not being a full member, I'll post this in the main and copy it into the Flame Room as well, to hopefully allow this thread to run it's more useful course and commentary regarding this unfortunate nastiness to continue in the Flame Room.                           .

Regarding Ray, while racist, (I'm surprised there are any Mexicans left in the USA, given his vitriol) given his homophobic name calling, the consistent, unwarranted aggression across so many subjects across both Asian and Latin lines, for all the never ending, nasty name calling, the incessant belittling of other members, and the posting of the same old pictures --pictures along the lines of telling people he that knows what a person is--then often showing a graphic with a person's head up their ass countless times (to name but one of many derogatory images he loves to post on P-L)----while all this and much more ugliness have been Ray's mainstay for years, he's nonetheless been allowed to continue in the same vein.

Apologies are obviously not part of his repertoire.

Countless members here have grown tired of his unabated nastiness, of him repeatedly being warned, placed on watch and otherwise reprimanded and yet nothing really ever happens.

Many of those members grew tired of him bullying people around imperviously and simply left. He's like an adolescent school yard bully, with Teachers who don't want the trouble of writing him up or staying with him for detention.

Members here can be afraid, ignore it, act amused and/or otherwise wait for their turn to be his target here.

If history has taught us anything, it's that unless confronted and addressed, bullies don't go away. Their aggression, hostilities--their diatribes go on and on. This is WAY beyond the realm of 'spirited discourse' way beyond one individual against a few other selected individuals. It's a chronic, un addressed problem here.

Besides those he ran off here, there are surely others who looked into P-L, interested and thought of joining this otherwise by and large civilized community, but who never signed up because of his bullying, caustic nature.

Even now, when he's again on 'watch' status here, he continues unabated, his malignant manners as always, ongoing and not even really 'checked'.

He's allowed to maintain P-L as his personal, ongoing bully pulpit, 'watched status' or not--it's makes no difference--he never even tones it down.

It was said that he on occasion offers some useful visa and immigration advice, as if that alone gave him sufficient value to warrant allowing his ongoing misbehavior, but again this week, he was dispensing erroneous information in that area. He's outlived his utility. To call him a 'dime store lawyer' would constitute over valuation and misrepresentation.

For him to accuse others of name calling and starting trouble that moves threads to the flame room, telling others they should start any thread that criticizes him to the flame room, is about as ironic as irony could be. I guess he feels can give advice, but doesn't take his own--that he sure can dish it out, but doesn't handle the same very well.

Sure there are occasional arguments between members here, but is there anybody who's caused more arguments or caused more threads to end up in the 'Flame Room' than him?

What does he add in terms of discussion on developing and maintaining relationships with foreign women? Isn't that a large part of what P-L is about? Is him rolling out his picture of dump trucks and red flags for the 1000th time really constructive?

Some may question if indeed is he's even really married, so miserable is his P-L personality and so little useful insights he brings. Who could, would or should have to suffer a life alongside the 'Fifty Shades of Ray?

What may have once been seen here as a mild annoyance, has become a pervasive irritant.

This thread is certainly not the first time people have questioned the guy's mental health, suggesting to no avail, that he seek help. The real questions are: Is he going to be able to continue running roughshod over new and old members alike on P-L? To continue to run people off? When is enough enough?

[robert angel]

Quick question.  I met a woman and we are "thinking" about going to Boracay Island while I visit.  I told her we are just friends and I will think about it.  We have only known each other for two weeks.  Is this a con.  Should I get my hopes up. 
Thanks in advance.

   
If you want to see a lot of older European, Australian, Korean, and N. American guys, along with their much younger 'dates'--quite often much younger Filipina hotties in eeenie weenie string bikinis, Boracay's the perfect place. Most young Filipinas want to go there, just to say "been there" and have a good time. They say the beaches are beautiful, if crowded, that the night life really rocks and that by Philippine standards, it's expensive.

With 7000+ islands, with countless other beaches and many, many resorts, no one in my family, here nor there, has much interest in going to Boracay. 

 
Weather wise, Boracay in June is 'probably' OK, but July to October is the southwest monsoon season, known as "Habagat", the wettest season and can get very sultry and humid, especially in August. No guarantee they'll have even a single monsoon and if they did, you'd know ahead of time, but FYI.

The places I suggest, while not totally immune to wind and monsoons, are further south and typically don't get nearly the amount of wind or rain that Boracay gets for most of the summer.

I am sure Fil. Cupid and Blossoms are chock full of ladies who'd love for some guy to pay their way to Boracay, like US college students on Spring Break want to go to Baja, Cancun, San Padre Island, Panama Beach, etc. But there's also a lot of Filipinas who wouldn't dream of asking some guy to spend that kind of money, feeling it more proper instead to ask 'the guy' to come visit them in their hometown, visit the nearby beaches there and perhaps meet their family.(if they REALLY like you)

I'd look closer at Panglao, Bohol, Dumaguete, as well as Island Garden of Samal (10 minutes from Davao City). They're not too far or expensive to travel to from Cebu City would cost you a lot less money, have beautiful beaches, nice amenities including lodging, meals and a much more authentic 'Filipino experience.'

It seems a little daunting to travel about when you've never been there before, but it's quite easy, inexpensive and usually a lot of fun, with lots of friendly people all along the way. At any of these places, including the trip there, you won't be the only foreigner, but you'll also experience a more typical Filipino environment than you would on Boracay Island. You might want to also check:


https://www.google.com/search?q=Panglao,+Bohol&biw=1120&bih=597&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Qac-VeKQLoSLsAXyzoCwDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&dpr=1.5

https://www.google.com/search?q=Panglao,+Bohol&biw=1120&bih=597&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=Qac-VeKQLoSLsAXyzoCwDg&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ&dpr=1.5#tbm=isch&q=Island+garden+of+Samal+beaches


https://www.google.com/search?q=beaches+of+island+garden+city+of+samal&biw=1079&bih=582&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=WKY-Ve6HHaGSsQSiqYCQCA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ#tbm=isch&q=dumaguete+beaches

[william15011]

Thanks alot for your advice Robert.  My friend told me that her mother did not want her going to Barclay unless she had an escort.  I told her that it would be to expensive and we would do something else.  I am taking your advice and will have the attitude that I am on a vacation.  I even telling women that type of information when I speak with them on filipinocupid. 


Thanks for getting rid of Ray.  I really enjoy the advice I am getting from you guys and would like to continue receiving the information.   I plan to tell you guys my entire adventure in "real time". 

[Ray]

I don't think I would engage Ray if I were Robert either. The outbursts that I have seen are irrational and illogical of the type one would clinically see with someone with either a chemical/alcohol problem or psychological dysfunction. Either way potentially dangerous to himself and others around him. Ray I understand you may be a fellow veteran brother, but you got some personal demons you have to work out. No one here wishes ill on you.

Hey Fozzie,

Why have you been stalking me on this forum? That's at least the third time you have tried to start a flame war with me by posting dumb, unsolicited personal attacks.

I don't know what your personal problems are, but I really think that you should discuss these strange behaviors with your psychiatrist... ASAP!

Now go stick your thumb in your ear and go bowling...

 

[Ray]

Thanks alot for your advice Robert.  My friend told me that her mother did not want her going to Barclay unless she had an escort.  I told her that it would be to expensive and we would do something else.  I am taking your advice and will have the attitude that I am on a vacation.  I even telling women that type of information when I speak with them on filipinocupid. 


Thanks for getting rid of Ray.  I really enjoy the advice I am getting from you guys and would like to continue receiving the information.   I plan to tell you guys my entire adventure in "real time".

William, I realize that you are new and unexperienced on this forum, but I have been here for over 17 years and little wimpy trolls like Bobby Angel don't scare me off.

Rest assured that I'll be here long after he is gone.   

Ray

[Ray]

As it's Willam's thread that's been effected and him not being a full member, I'll post this in the main and copy it into the Flame Room as well, to hopefully allow this thread to run it's more useful course and commentary regarding this unfortunate nastiness to continue in the Flame Room.                           .

Regarding Ray, while racist, (I'm surprised there are any Mexicans left in the USA, given his vitriol) given his homophobic name calling, the consistent, unwarranted aggression across so many subjects across both Asian and Latin lines, for all the never ending, nasty name calling, the incessant belittling of other members, and the posting of the same old pictures --pictures along the lines of telling people he that knows what a person is--then often showing a graphic with a person's head up their ass countless times (to name but one of many derogatory images he loves to post on P-L)----while all this and much more ugliness have been Ray's mainstay for years, he's nonetheless been allowed to continue in the same vein.

Apologies are obviously not part of his repertoire.

Countless members here have grown tired of his unabated nastiness, of him repeatedly being warned, placed on watch and otherwise reprimanded and yet nothing really ever happens.

Many of those members grew tired of him bullying people around imperviously and simply left. He's like an adolescent school yard bully, with Teachers who don't want the trouble of writing him up or staying with him for detention.

Members here can be afraid, ignore it, act amused and/or otherwise wait for their turn to be his target here.

If history has taught us anything, it's that unless confronted and addressed, bullies don't go away. Their aggression, hostilities--their diatribes go on and on. This is WAY beyond the realm of 'spirited discourse' way beyond one individual against a few other selected individuals. It's a chronic, un addressed problem here.

Besides those he ran off here, there are surely others who looked into P-L, interested and thought of joining this otherwise by and large civilized community, but who never signed up because of his bullying, caustic nature.

Even now, when he's again on 'watch' status here, he continues unabated, his malignant manners as always, ongoing and not even really 'checked'.

He's allowed to maintain P-L as his personal, ongoing bully pulpit, 'watched status' or not--it's makes no difference--he never even tones it down.

It was said that he on occasion offers some useful visa and immigration advice, as if that alone gave him sufficient value to warrant allowing his ongoing misbehavior, but again this week, he was dispensing erroneous information in that area. He's outlived his utility. To call him a 'dime store lawyer' would constitute over valuation and misrepresentation.

For him to accuse others of name calling and starting trouble that moves threads to the flame room, telling others they should start any thread that criticizes him to the flame room, is about as ironic as irony could be. I guess he feels can give advice, but doesn't take his own--that he sure can dish it out, but doesn't handle the same very well.

Sure there are occasional arguments between members here, but is there anybody who's caused more arguments or caused more threads to end up in the 'Flame Room' than him?

What does he add in terms of discussion on developing and maintaining relationships with foreign women? Isn't that a large part of what P-L is about? Is him rolling out his picture of dump trucks and red flags for the 1000th time really constructive?

Some may question if indeed is he's even really married, so miserable is his P-L personality and so little useful insights he brings. Who could, would or should have to suffer a life alongside the 'Fifty Shades of Ray?

What may have once been seen here as a mild annoyance, has become a pervasive irritant.

This thread is certainly not the first time people have questioned the guy's mental health, suggesting to no avail, that he seek help. The real questions are: Is he going to be able to continue running roughshod over new and old members alike on P-L? To continue to run people off? When is enough enough?

Oh Bobby, you're such a hateful little devil. You must have had a rough childhood and you never did grow out of it.

May I suggest that you up your blood pressure meds before you pop a gasket?

[fathertime]

I was curious what the big hub bub was here, so I reviewed the thread.   RobertA, YOU sarcastically personalized a reply to Ray on reply number 13.  Prior to that, Ray was merely offering valid advice regarding sending flowers of all things.  Take a look for yourself.   


 There is no need to try to create a lynch mob now.  Offer thoughts and leave it at that. 


Fathertime!

[Ray]

I was curious what the big hub bub was here, so I reviewed the thread.   RobertA, YOU sarcastically personalized a reply to Ray on reply number 13.  Prior to that, Ray was merely offering valid advice regarding sending flowers of all things.  Take a look for yourself.   


 There is no need to try to create a lynch mob now.  Offer thoughts and leave it at that. 


Fathertime!

Hi bozo,

Yes, RA knows he started the fight AGAIN, and anyone who isn't blind knows he started it. That's his style... start a flame war and then cry that he is a victim. And it seems that a few newbies here are buying into his BS.

I recently corrected some erroneous statements RA made about Filipino divorce laws, and since then he has gone berserk, thinking he can get me banned from the forum. How dare I correct anything erroneous that Robert has posted! Now he sees me as a threat to his little game of pretending to be all-knowing in every topic started here or on the Latin forum.

No matter what the subject, he goes running to google and Wikipedia, copying and pasting "facts" in an attempt to make himself look good.

Then when I get warned because of a little dig at Bernard the troll, he sees his big opportunity to draw me into a stupid flame war. Of course then he tries to influence the moderators to take more action by REPEATEDLY pointing out the fact that I am in Watched status. See how many times he specifically mentioned that in his little rant?

Of course he thinks he is so smart and everyone else and the moderators are stupid enough to fall for his little game.

Now Robert has even resorted to calling me a racist (LOL), showing all that he so desperate to get me banned that he will stoop to any depths.

I really don't care if Robert's little feelings were hurt because someone dared to correct him. He simply needs to grow up and face the realities of life...you can't always be right about everything.

You have been here long enough also to know that hundreds of trolls have come and gone over the years, and Robert is now becoming one of them.

Ray

[Ray]

$60 per box - large ones.

LBC had a promotion when we sent ours - send 3 large boxes and get a small box sent for free.

The rates were the same during the holidays - they just add a promotion like the one above. This time we skipped sending during this holiday season - instead we sent them last month.

Their current promotion is (they call it VIP - Very Important Padala):
Send 1 regular box & a small one fee would be $25.
Send 2 regular  boxes & the small one fee is $20.
Send 3 regular  boxes & the small one fee is $20.

LBC is expanding in the NYC area - they opened a 3rd office last November.

Those sound like really good rates kfc.

We have 2 big boxes going out this week via LBC. $70 per box from San Diego to Mindanao and Cebu. The lowest rates are always to Metro Manila. I guess they can practically unload the container on the pier and load them into the delivery truck.

Have you had any trouble with customs on those electronic items you ship? I know LBC includes electronics stuff on the "banned" list. Probably due to Filipino customs restrictions, but more likely to give them a reason to avoid responsibility if they get "lost" in transit. Also, I believe that used electronic items are treated much differently for customs duty purposes. How do you declare them on the shipping docs?

I heard that Philippine customs only spot checks a few Balikbayan boxes, so the chance of getting busted/charged customs duties is slight.

P.S. How is your kalamansi tree doing? Are you betting on Saturday's fight?


Ray

[Fosgate5]

Hey Fozzie,

Why have you been stalking me on this forum? That's at least the third time you have tried to start a flame war with me by posting dumb, unsolicited personal attacks.

I don't know what your personal problems are, but I really think that you should discuss these strange behaviors with your psychiatrist... ASAP!

Now go stick your thumb in your ear and go bowling...

 

Goto the flame room for response

[Ray]

Goto the flame room for response

I'll tell you what fozzie,

I really don't care about your response, so why don't you and your buddies go play with yourselves in the Flame Room. Have a ball making ignorant personal attacks against anyone you like if it makes you feel like a big strong man.

I have better things to do with my life than play with you children...

Bye...

[bcc_1_2]

 he started it.

Again if we are going to be fair.. It goes both ways. As a parent (and some of us are grandparents on here)... What you wrote is the most childish thing our kids say.


You also mentioned that you have to correct Robert. Just a couple days ago you were corrected for being out of date on something. It clearly goes both ways. You can't in one post have an image of bart pulling his pants down... and then complain about someone being childish while using colorful language to suggest straight adult males masturbate each other.


Glass house...

[thekfc]

Those sound like really good rates kfc.

We have 2 big boxes going out this week via LBC. $70 per box from San Diego to Mindanao and Cebu. The lowest rates are always to Metro Manila. I guess they can practically unload the container on the pier and load them into the delivery truck.

Stuff we send usually get delivered very quickly, usually within a day or two after they reach Manila port.

Have you had any trouble with customs on those electronic items you ship? I know LBC includes electronics stuff on the "banned" list. Probably due to Filipino customs restrictions, but more likely to give them a reason to avoid responsibility if they get "lost" in transit. Also, I believe that used electronic items are treated much differently for customs duty purposes. How do you declare them on the shipping docs?

The last few electronic stuff we sent were all sent via air cargo.  We drop the box off in person, the contents are verified in our presence and then the carton is sealed. We insured each & also pay the custom fee(s) upfront.

 We sent stuff like XBox One, PS4, Cell phones, tables, monitors and the likes & had no problems. 

I heard that Philippine customs only spot checks a few Balikbayan boxes, so the chance of getting busted/charged customs duties is slight.

We the electronic stuff we don't want to take any chances so we list them or send them separately via air cargo. If you are one of the unlucky ones who gets his/her BB checked and they notice things that you should have listed/pay duties on but didn't - they can confiscate the entire carton. And if they want to make you pay the fees instead, then they can charge you whatever they want (adding extra $$$ as a penalty), you are at their mercy - either pay up or lose the entire box.

There is also the issue of commercial quantities - any 12 items of the same thing is considered commercial quantities and are forbidden/taxed high. We counter that by separating the items in quantity of 11 or less in each box and addressing the boxes to different recipient.

Also if they open the box and what is inside & what is on the form is different then they consider that smuggling.

So people take note and declare your stuff and if you decide not to declare then prepare to lose the entire content if found.

P.S. How is your kalamansi tree doing? Are you betting on Saturday's fight?


Ray

The first one died - we have a replacement which is doing great.

[Ray]

Again if we are going to be fair.. It goes both ways. As a parent (and some of us are grandparents on here)... What you wrote is the most childish thing our kids say.


You also mentioned that you have to correct Robert. Just a couple days ago you were corrected for being out of date on something. It clearly goes both ways. You can't in one post have an image of bart pulling his pants down... and then complain about someone being childish while using colorful language to suggest straight adult males masturbate each other.


Glass house...

What have you been smoking bcc?  Don't try to put words in my mouth, OK?

Masturbating adult males? Where the hell did that come from?? I think you better stay away from those gay porn sites. LOL!

Correction: I never said I "have to correct Robert", only that I did so. Yes, another well-informed member corrected something about Philippine visas that I had posted? So what's the big deal that you and Robert are trying to make of it? I think it is important to correct erroneous info that may be posted here, and I welcomed the correction and thanked him. Did I fly into a rage and try to have him banned for that, and post a hateful personal attack against him the like Robert has done? I'll let you answer that, oh all-knowing one... 

And I notice that you weren't a bit concerned about him calling me a "racist". Are you just using this little spat started by Robert to play the role of the opportunistic troll? Sure looks that way from here.

Now bcc, are you really offended by a cartoon of Bart dropping trow? Are you going to report me to the authorities for child porn or something? Jeez man, grow up already!

[robert angel]

Again if we are going to be fair.. It goes both ways. As a parent (and some of us are grandparents on here)... What you wrote is the most childish thing our kids say.


You also mentioned that you have to correct Robert. Just a couple days ago you were corrected for being out of date on something. It clearly goes both ways. You can't in one post have an image of bart pulling his pants down... and then complain about someone being childish while using colorful language to suggest straight adult males masturbate each other.


Glass house...

I'll tell you what fozzie,

I really don't care about your response, so why don't you and your buddies go play with yourselves in the Flame Room. Have a ball making ignorant personal attacks against anyone you like if it makes you feel like a big strong man.

I have better things to do with my life than play with you children...

Bye...

Hi bozo,

Yes, RA knows he started the fight AGAIN, and anyone who isn't blind knows he started it. That's his style... start a flame war and then cry that he is a victim. And it seems that a few newbies here are buying into his BS.

I recently corrected some erroneous statements RA made about Filipino divorce laws, and since then he has gone berserk, thinking he can get me banned from the forum. How dare I correct anything erroneous that Robert has posted! Now he sees me as a threat to his little game of pretending to be all-knowing in every topic started here or on the Latin forum.

No matter what the subject, he goes running to google and Wikipedia, copying and pasting "facts" in an attempt to make himself look good.

Then when I get warned because of a little dig at Bernard the troll, he sees his big opportunity to draw me into a stupid flame war. Of course then he tries to influence the moderators to take more action by REPEATEDLY pointing out the fact that I am in Watched status. See how many times he specifically mentioned that in his little rant?

Of course he thinks he is so smart and everyone else and the moderators are stupid enough to fall for his little game.

Now Robert has even resorted to calling me a racist (LOL), showing all that he so desperate to get me banned that he will stoop to any depths.

I really don't care if Robert's little feelings were hurt because someone dared to correct him. He simply needs to grow up and face the realities of life...you can't always be right about everything.

You have been here long enough also to know that hundreds of trolls have come and gone over the years, and Robert is now becoming one of them.

Ray

I was curious what the big hub bub was here, so I reviewed the thread.   RobertA, YOU sarcastically personalized a reply to Ray on reply number 13.  Prior to that, Ray was merely offering valid advice regarding sending flowers of all things.  Take a look for yourself.   


 There is no need to try to create a lynch mob now.  Offer thoughts and leave it at that. 


Fathertime!

Oh Bobby, you're such a hateful little devil. You must have had a rough childhood and you never did grow out of it.

May I suggest that you up your blood pressure meds before you pop a gasket?

I didn't know Ray was such a sweet, generous guy, but personally, I think that sending flowers or other gifts overseas to someone you've only known about a week and have never met personally, is a bit premature.

Look--You can say my above statement justifies what followed, you can say I'm trying to ""Create a lynch mob now""but the fact is that Ray himself said this veering off thread better belongs in the flame room, which I created, but obviously he doesn't want to follow his own advice. So here we are.

Father Time, who's been pretty sage and level headed in recent years, suggested: "Offer thoughts and leave it at that".

I tried that, letting a few of his broadsides blow by. Yes, it'd be great advice if it was mutually agreed upon, (and it would seem to be in someone's best interests to do so) but I'm not going to sit idly by and let Ray continue with his offensive broadsides and insinuate that people like Braziliangirl and others--even the newer people, are inconsequential.

Lord only knows the people who left long ago--what an impression he left on them. Or the 'lurkers' who took a few looks in here and probably thought: "What a bunch of nasty nuts--not for me." I don't think we'll be hearing from them. We haven't seen Innocent Vixen since 2014 in here and I don't think Ray got a Christmas card from her either.

Was what happened with Bernard the first time Ray has been placed on 'watch' status?

Did differences in posts on divorce laws really cause me to go "berserk"? Think of the term and definition of "beserk" and tell me what member here do you think would come to most member's minds? Who best fits that description?

So if Ray wants to bring this on--so be it. I tried, backing off a bit and was willing to 'let water find it's own level.' But obviously the higher road's not the one being most traveled here.

The fact is that even with those people who despised him long gone, far more that are still around have come out, basically saying he needs to go, far more than have come to his defense.

I haven't been soliciting people to take sides--this is--has been all very transparent, but obviously Ray doesn't want this to gently fade into the night. He's taking shots at not just me, but bringing other members--adding them into the aim of his childish wrath. So OK--have it his way--this time. Let him reap what he sows.

Again--this could've been wrapped up rather than it just beginning, if Ray could have just backed off a bit, instead of him ramping it up, bring a great deal more attention than it initially had. Without him insisting on carrying on with his adolescent level tantrum, his typical spittle, etc.--this might have been history--a foot note already.

Could've been a couple broadsides exchanged and done with, but some guys just don't want to let go of the stone, no matter how hot it may get. Pity.

[Ray]

Could've been a couple broadsides exchanged and done with, but some guys just don't want to let go of the stone, no matter how hot it may get. Pity.

Well bobby, I see that YOU haven't let go of it yet, have you?

You're just another phony hypocrite...

[Fosgate5]

Alright, I was man enough to call the guy out and I'm man enough to admit to my mistake. I went off of Ray thinking he was "Awesome" as a couple of actions reminded me of him. I'm still getting acquainted with who is who and I certainly would have either rephrased my words differently, if I would have commented at all. For this I am sorry

[Ray]

Apology accepted... thanks!   

[robert angel]

Well bobby, I see that YOU haven't let go of it yet, have you?

You're just another phony hypocrite...

Once again, the irony is incredible. Look real hard in the mirror Ray, and you'll see someone who nine out of ten times personifies all the bad things he falsely accuses other people of being. Every time you point the finger, you've got three more pointing back at you.

For every post I've made in this thread, you've made three or four--same thread. You're still calling people names, same ole modus operandi Ray. But you do the Math---add up the posts here and ask yourself if: Robert's REALLY the one who "can't let go of it"?.[/b So I'm "ANOTHER" one? My God--it must be a conspiracy!] Come on now--who's putting most of this stuff out here? Can you read? Count? Can you smell the smoke? You on fire or what? How many rounds do YOU want to continue keeping on escalating this to? You're the one.

Fosgate5 offered you an olive branch so to speak, an apology. Like a man. You've certainly not been nice to him, ironically accusing him (as you do to anybody who makes you feel threatened) more than once of trying to start a flame war here, among other things--attacking him with the "use your head as bowling ball' reference, etc., etc.

Once again--your usual, antagonistic style. Of course any normal person would see it's just you acting as typical, inciting a flame war, while accusing others as being the culprits. So quit the subterfuge, OK? If you want to believe yourself--if you want to have your own little pity party, keep it to yourself, but quit slagging members here OK?

17 days or 17 years here, it doesn't matter--you're off the chain and it's just getting worse. Wrong is wrong, no matter how you paint it. I'm not saying I'm any saint, far from it--never claimed otherwise. But I'm not consistently nasty and argumentative either.

I don't think the word 'apology' is in your play book. But try to be a bigger man and maybe people won't come forward here as they're doing and/or talk behind the scenes with such disdain about you.---> Wears Raybans--->

[Ray]

Once again, the irony is incredible. Look real hard in the mirror Ray, and you'll see someone who nine out of ten times personifies all the bad things he falsely accuses other people of being. Every time you point the finger, you've got three more pointing back at you.

For every post I've made in this thread, you've made three or four--same thread. You're still calling people names, same ole modus operandi Ray. But you do the Math---add up the posts here and ask yourself if: Robert's REALLY the one who "can't let go of it"?.[/b So I'm "ANOTHER" one? My God--it must be a conspiracy!] Come on now--who's putting most of this stuff out here? Can you read? Count? Can you smell the smoke? You on fire or what? How many rounds do YOU want to continue keeping on escalating this to? You're the one.

Fosgate5 offered you an olive branch so to speak, an apology. Like a man. You've certainly not been nice to him, ironically accusing him (as you do to anybody who makes you feel threatened) more than once of trying to start a flame war here, among other things--attacking him with the "use your head as bowling ball' reference, etc., etc.

Once again--your usual, antagonistic style. Of course any normal person would see it's just you acting as typical, inciting a flame war, while accusing others as being the culprits. So quit the subterfuge, OK? If you want to believe yourself--if you want to have your own little pity party, keep it to yourself, but quit slagging members here OK?

17 days or 17 years here, it doesn't matter--you're off the chain and it's just getting worse. Wrong is wrong, no matter how you paint it. I'm not saying I'm any saint, far from it--never claimed otherwise. But I'm not consistently nasty and argumentative either.

I don't think the word 'apology' is in your play book. But try to be a bigger man and maybe people won't come forward here as they're doing and/or talk behind the scenes with such disdain about you.---> Wears Raybans--->

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!



Bobby, you're such a whiny little cry baby!

Yes, Fos was man enough to admit his mistake and publicly apologize. But you will never be 1/10 the man he is. You'll just always be the same little whiny brat trying to play the victim game.

You know what bobby, if you don't like me being on the same forum with you, then there is a simple solution...

BYE BYE BOZO!   

[thekfc]

I want to stay out of this friendly discussion but why is the same thing being posted in both this thread & the flame thread?  It should be one or the other.

Guys there is a flame thread so take your beer drinking, belly bumping, huggling & barbershop quartet singing there before another thread is ruined.

Oh wait, this thread is already......

Ahhhhh what the hell, you guys continue.

[robert angel]

I want to stay out of this friendly discussion but why is the same thing being posted in both this thread & the flame thread?  It should be one or the other.

Guys there is a flame thread so take your beer drinking, belly bumping, huggling & barbershop quartet singing there before another thread is ruined.

Oh wait, this thread is already......

Ahhhhh what the hell, you guys continue.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!



Bobby, you're such a whiny little cry baby!

Yes, Fos was man enough to admit his mistake and publicly apologize. But you will never be 1/10 the man he is. You'll just always be the same little whiny brat trying to play the victim game.

You know what bobby, if you don't like me being on the same forum with you, then there is a simple solution...

BYE BYE BOZO!   

Yea, KFC--read back a bit and see where Ray was all about having this put in 'The Flame Room'---then when his expressed wish was granted, noooo---he didn't want to go that route. THAT's why it's here. Thank Ray. He accuses me of making this an ongoing thing and he's sending out three+ posts to every one I make, whining all the way. He's stoking the fire--hosting his own roasting.

He's confused, conflicted---it defies description and classification. One of my university  degrees is in Psychology, but there's nothing in our DSM book on diagnostic and statistical classification of mental disorders that begins to address the variety and depths of the disturbing, delusional symptoms he exhibits. He's all over the charts.

His blathering psycho babble, his rants, raves, role reversals, the twists and turns accusing others of behaviors he himself personifies, it really does--I'll admit it all this belongs there--that's why we TRIED to put it there---in the flame room. When Ray's ready to come out of his room, the proper one (not just  the padded one) is waiting. Meanwhile--he's got more 'whine' than Vichy, France!

Some people can't even take their OWN advice, never mind man up and apologize to anyone, not even after one is tendered to him after he's been at least as offensive, as usual.

He's lost in his own woods and meanwhile can't see the forest for the trees, I'm afraid. Pity.