What does this site need for a jump start?

[robert angel]

You would think that with all the buzz around fiancee visas with reality TV and in political news recently, that there'd be more traffic here.


After all, before someone gets on the plane, they inevitably need to go on line.


I see they have new advertisements here (for other services--not elsewhere--not to get people to check out PL)--some only are triggered on my android phone--the site IS set up oddly--perhaps to maximize 'clicks' that count as 'hits'. I think that this none httpS [non secure) nature of this site's set up doesn't help bring newbies in.


But again with the increase in media--general interest, I'm wondering how to bring some of that new life here?

I guess back in the days of yore, the arguments and ongoing relationship trainwrecks brought gawkers in, if just for a bit. 

Ideas--comments?

[Kiltboy1]

What up Peeps.
I look at the forum some but I think you have either guys that are happily married ( 16 years now for me ). The train-wrecks don't post anymore and other social media like FB , ect makes forums like this obsolete. Also, not as many guys going to Colombia to get hitched. Most go for other activities if you know what I mean. But my wife and I do love a good train-wreck like 90 Day Fiance . 
God where do they come up with some of these people
KB

[mambocowboy]

Only posts are from a handful of us who chime in. Other than that, nada. Been that way for years now, it seems...

[Elexpatriado]

Invite Bernardo and Awesome back so they can have "I am king of the Alphas`s, no your not I am..your a Fa66ot" type arguments with Calipro...




That should keep filling the pages up for at least a week.

[robert angel]

Invite Bernardo and Awesome back so they can have "I am king of the Alphas`s, no your not I am..your a Fa66ot" type arguments with Calipro...




That should keep filling the pages up for at least a week.

That'd bring em in, but I can't help think there are 'rubes' green and wet behind the ears guys, fellas who'd just justify thinking about latina and asian hotties by coming here and asking their green horn questions.

We'd be running the red flags up high, lol.

Same guys who bought the paper 'mail order bride's' paper newspapers and sent snail mail to female pen pals, while the dial up modem and internet cafes warmed up 20 some years ago, then the blossoms, cupid sites.....

Yahoo!

I think with a bit of marketing, every 3 or 4 dollars in advertising costs for promoting P.L. would return at least $5 in 2ndary advertisers here to target this niche audience.

I bet 99% of the people who watch "90 Day Financee" have NO IDEA P.L. even exists.

But yeah, I hate to concede defeat, but FB and other social media seem to have superseded PL. I even let my wife sat up an Instagram acct for me. But t I haven't added a thing since she set up a few pics for me.

Even she's annoyed at how FB and want for FB likes create issues/barriers w commerce. But as FB loses any coolness or relevancy, something new or similar will surely come along.

It sucks when where U live nobody wants to recommend any repair people lest they don't show, and the 1st party's 'google rating' suffers as a result.

[robert angel]

What up Peeps.
I look at the forum some but I think you have either guys that are happily married ( 16 years now for me ). The train-wrecks don't post anymore and other social media like FB , ect makes forums like this obsolete. Also, not as many guys going to Colombia to get hitched. Most go for other activities if you know what I mean. But my wife and I do love a good train-wreck like 90 Day Fiance . 
God where do they come up with some of these people
KB

You guys are lookin good--sounding good. 15's the next milestone for us. Seems like a wayyy big number--I just wish I'd met her instead of the 1st wife initially.

Then again, I was such a party animal and wild man back then, I'd probably have messed up. There's a reason for everything maybe...

[Elexpatriado]

That'd bring em in, but I can't help think there are 'rubes' green and wet behind the ears guys, fellas who'd just justify thinking about latina and asian hotties by coming here and asking their green horn questions.

We'd be running the red flags up high, lol.

Same guys who bought the paper 'mail order bride's' paper newspapers and sent snail mail to female pen pals, while the dial up modem and internet cafes warmed up 20 some years ago, then the blossoms, cupid sites.....

Yahoo!

I think with a bit of marketing, every 3 or 4 dollars in advertising costs for promoting P.L. would return at least $5 in 2ndary advertisers here to target this niche audience.

I bet 99% of the people who watch "90 Day Financee" have NO IDEA P.L. even exists.

But yeah, I hate to concede defeat, but FB and other social media seem to have superseded PL. I even let my wife sat up an Instagram acct for me. But t I haven't added a thing since she set up a few pics for me.

Even she's annoyed at how FB and want for FB likes create issues/barriers w commerce. But as FB loses any coolness or relevancy, something new or similar will surely come along.

It sucks when where U live nobody wants to recommend any repair people lest they don't show, and the 1st party's 'google rating' suffers as a result.

Lot of people make enemies postong and reposting political crap on Facebook.

Should be for posting.travel, sports and family and the like.

People are free to do what you.want but if you want to turn friends into enemies..post.race, religion and politics on facebook

[robert angel]

Lot of people make enemies postong and reposting political crap on Facebook.

Should be for posting.travel, sports and family and the like.

People are free to do what you.want but if you want to turn friends into enemies..post.race, religion and politics on facebook

Same subjects were (are) also the worst poison here. When topics went thataway, the infantile level name calling and ridiculi cartoon posting that ensued made the whole place look like a 3rd rate circus joke.

It's ridiculous how much venom can be stirred up.

I stay away from FB because I know guys who are married to friends of my wife's--guys who post crap--total pap.

They claim, actually seem to 'think' that they can 'channel' God's will, spouting off on how they know how God wants Democrats, Republicans, various races and religious groups dealt with.

Then there's those that have to show pictures of any new materialistic thing they get, even down to clothes and restaurant meals.

I'm cool with things like family pics, shots of b day parties, graduations, retirements, weddings etc, but some people just crave overly illustrating a wanna be 'lifestyle of the rich and blameless ' life styles they don't really live, along with their 'holier than thou' judgement of others.

[Calipro]

You would think that with all the buzz around fiancee visas with reality TV and in political news recently, that there'd be more traffic here.


After all, before someone gets on the plane, they inevitably need to go on line.


I see they have new advertisements here (for other services--not elsewhere--not to get people to check out PL)--some only are triggered on my android phone--the site IS set up oddly--perhaps to maximize 'clicks' that count as 'hits'. I think that this none httpS [non secure) nature of this site's set up doesn't help bring newbies in.


But again with the increase in media--general interest, I'm wondering how to bring some of that new life here?

I guess back in the days of yore, the arguments and ongoing relationship trainwrecks brought gawkers in, if just for a bit. 

Ideas--comments?

There are plenty of guys coming to Colombia ...but I  know of no guys coming to Colombia for the exclusive purpose of finding a wife....zip zero zilch.

I don't know of any marriage agencies that actually have more than a few customers a year

Guys are meeting women on line in a more natural way without the pretext of meeting for marriage.

[robert angel]

There are plenty of guys coming to Colombia ...but I  know of no guys coming to Colombia for the exclusive purpose of finding a wife....zip zero zilch.

I don't know of any marriage agencies that actually have more than a few customers a year

Guys are meeting women on line in a more natural way without the pretext of meeting for marriage.

So are ya sayin that almost 100% of gringos flying in are just going for some 'nookie' --w different dolls and not really looking for long term?

I didn't think the pickins had gotten that much better stateside for guys looking for more than 'short time'--- that the caliber of women readily available (really for long or short) hereabouts isn't improving...

[Calipro]

So are ya sayin that almost 100% of gringos flying in are just going for some 'nookie' --w different dolls and not really looking for long term?

I didn't think the pickins had gotten that much better stateside for guys looking for more than 'short time'--- that the caliber of women readily available (really for long or short) hereabouts isn't improving...

What I'm saying is damn near 100 percent of guys coming here aren't wife hunting but some do meet women and eventually marry  Hell I would say there are just as many guys that decide to live here as get married.

Marriage is taking a back seat to other lifestyle choices as far as I can see when it comes to guys that actually have choice$.


There are a lot of younger guys here in Medellin that work online and are location independent.


If you pay a fee on Tinder you can change your location from the USA to Colombia and the difference in what is a available to you is stark. Much better looking women in the 20 to 30 year old category.


Guys like Elexpat will tell you they are all hoes on Tinder because well that is all they are for him. Normal young guys aren't paying for it here. Hell I have had young American guys complain that they have to pay for everything when they take a chick out. Some refuse to pay a girls cab fare even if it means possibly not getting laid. jajaja


I have to tell you that when I first came to Colombia that I would laugh at older guys that would tell me all the women are hoes. jajaja  But I'm not laughing so much anymore. A lot of the younger hotter women will ignore you when you get up there in years and the hotter ones that are open to it will bring up money. Once you hit a certain age or looks hot women don't see you as relationship material and less of them see you as someone they are dying to sleep with. So if you are dead set on sleeping with very hot women you will have to pony up on some score or just walk around saying you are looking for a wife and bring her to the states to get any action. LOL.

[robert angel]

What I'm saying is damn near 100 percent of guys coming here aren't wife hunting but some do meet women and eventually marry  Hell I would say there are just as many guys that decide to live here as get married.

Marriage is taking a back seat to other lifestyle choices as far as I can see when it comes to guys that actually have choice$.


There are a lot of younger guys here in Medellin that work online and are location independent.


If you pay a fee on Tinder you can change your location from the USA to Colombia and the difference in what is a available to you is stark. Much better looking women in the 20 to 30 year old category.


Guys like Elexpat will tell you they are all hoes on Tinder because well that is all they are for him. Normal young guys aren't paying for it here. Hell I have had young American guys complain that they have to pay for everything when they take a chick out. Some refuse to pay a girls cab fare even if it means possibly not getting laid. jajaja


I have to tell you that when I first came to Colombia that I would laugh at older guys that would tell me all the women are hoes. jajaja  But I'm not laughing so much anymore. A lot of the younger hotter women will ignore you when you get up there in years and the hotter ones that are open to it will bring up money. Once you hit a certain age or looks hot women don't see you as relationship material and less of them see you as someone they are dying to sleep with. So if you are dead set on sleeping with very hot women you will have to pony up on some score or just walk around saying you are looking for a wife and bring her to the states to get any action. LOL.

Overall worldwide,  marriage is a dying entity-- like paper money and newspapers.

in the USA, the average age for those who do marry, is closer to 30. In the 1950s, it was 20 y/o!!

Overseas especially, having babies out of wedlock has a lot less stigma today.

My getting married (remarried actually) in my mid 40s to a beautiful, well educated woman half my age was opportune 14 years ago, but no way on God's green earth could I pull that off that age spread again anywhere now, not near age 60.

My 'market appeal' has simply  gone down so much that rather than a 23 year age difference, I'd almost certainly have to 'settle ' on a less desirable babe more along 15 years or less younger. 

Then, assuming me at age 60 and her '40 something' --any babe like that would likely just want to stay home, retired w/ me--living at a higher standard than I presently can afford.

You get older, your physical appeal lessens and you better have more money and be OK on being expected to spend it on her AND quite possibly on her child/family.

Or have kids w/ her late in life--kinda like insurance.  (If you're lucky)

And that alone (the money angle)  creates a more dangerous dynamic, more risk, w/ different motivations.

My wife knew as a child that she wanted  to marry a white guy and the idea of living in the USA always had some appeal to her--but 1st, she wanted a man she truly loved AND - 'all that' mushy romantic stuff.

We ALL want something better out of the relationship deal, but as a guy ages, things get skewed a bit and he'd better increasingly have something beyond his diminished physical faculties--the proverbial 'ace in the hole.'

But even if I could.beat the odds of a dozen lottos and meet her doppelganger, 23 years younger than me today, no way it'd fly--I'd need to be bringing $omething more to the union than my old bones.

Getting old sucks and just like a car depreciates, so do dudes.

Yeah, you get past your mid 50's into your 60s and onwards and all of a sudden, 'renting' that 'girlfriend/wife/'playing house' experience starts to make a lot more sense, especially IF you want to have a much younger, hotter babe looking after your every want and need.

Glad I got in when I did, because for Me,  it's pretty much a 'Your wish is my command' experience and I AM enjoying the ride!!

Even if she is nagging me a bit right now to just hit 'post' here on silly P.L., so that she can jump my bones and give me a full body massage. Thats after we sweated through an hour of hot, power yoga earlier this evening.

I guess I oughta give her some 'attention' and let her squeeze the tension out of my every last muscle!

[Calipro]

Overall worldwide,  marriage is a dying entity-- like paper money and newspapers.

in the USA, the average age for those who do marry, is closer to 30. In the 1950s, it was 20 y/o!!

Overseas especially, having babies out of wedlock has a lot less stigma today.

My getting married (remarried actually) in my mid 40s to a beautiful, well educated woman half my age was opportune 14 years ago, but no way on God's green earth could I pull that off that age spread again anywhere now, not near age 60.

My 'market appeal' has simply  gone down so much that rather than a 23 year age difference, I'd almost certainly have to 'settle ' on a less desirable babe more along 15 years or less younger. 

Then, assuming me at age 60 and her '40 something' --any babe like that would likely just want to stay home, retired w/ me--living at a higher standard than I presently can afford.

You get older, your physical appeal lessens and you better have more money and be OK on being expected to spend it on her AND quite possibly on her child/family.

Or have kids w/ her late in life--kinda like insurance.  (If you're lucky)

And that alone (the money angle)  creates a more dangerous dynamic, more risk, w/ different motivations.

My wife knew as a child that she wanted  to marry a white guy and the idea of living in the USA always had some appeal to her--but 1st, she wanted a man she truly loved AND - 'all that' mushy romantic stuff.

We ALL want something better out of the relationship deal, but as a guy ages, things get skewed a bit and he'd better increasingly have something beyond his diminished physical faculties--the proverbial 'ace in the hole.'

But even if I could.beat the odds of a dozen lottos and meet her doppelganger, 23 years younger than me today, no way it'd fly--I'd need to be bringing $omething more to the union than my old bones.

Getting old sucks and just like a car depreciates, so do dudes.

Yeah, you get past your mid 50's into your 60s and onwards and all of a sudden, 'renting' that 'girlfriend/wife/'playing house' experience starts to make a lot more sense, especially IF you want to have a much younger, hotter babe looking after your every want and need.

Glad I got in when I did, because for Me,  it's pretty much a 'Your wish is my command' experience and I AM enjoying the ride!!

Even if she is nagging me a bit right now to just hit 'post' here on silly P.L., so that she can jump my bones and give me a full body massage. Thats after we sweated through an hour of hot, power yoga earlier this evening.

I guess I oughta give her some 'attention' and let her squeeze the tension out of my every last muscle!

Power yoga Ey

There is a 26 year age difference between me and my wife.

There is no way I would have even considered getting married again if it wasn't for my daughter.

Anyone that speaks Spanish and lives here can easily pull off a 20 year age difference and guys in there 70's can easily pull off a 30 or more age difference if they are into women in their 40s.

My wife is 31 and when she turns 32 she will be the oldest woman I have ever slept with.

Plenty of guys here are living with women half their age but nobody is getting married.


If there were American guys that still wanted a mail order bride ....there are still poor women here that would undoubtedly be interested in leaving their family and everything they have ever know while marrying a guy that they don't know well for a shot at a better life.

Even an ugly gringo could get a pretty hot wife if he wanted to man up and take a woman with another guys kids.

[robert angel]

Calipro-- actually anybody here--- have you seen or heard what Zon's up to these days?

It's been 6 years since he up and quit coming here. Like him or not, he was an interesting, polarizing guy.

I hope that him - - 'settling down' with one woman is working out. I liked Zon, but he certainly didn't seem like the kind of fellow to settle down with one woman.

Whole different kind of cat, but I wonder if Utopia Cowboy, so disgruntled with life in the USA, did move to Canada?

[mambocowboy]

Power yoga Ey

There is a 26 year age difference between me and my wife.

There is no way I would have even considered getting married again if it wasn't for my daughter.

Anyone that speaks Spanish and lives here can easily pull off a 20 year age difference and guys in there 70's can easily pull off a 30 or more age difference if they are into women in their 40s.

My wife is 31 and when she turns 32 she will be the oldest woman I have ever slept with.

Plenty of guys here are living with women half their age but nobody is getting married.


If there were American guys that still wanted a mail order bride ....there are still poor women here that would undoubtedly be interested in leaving their family and everything they have ever know while marrying a guy that they don't know well for a shot at a better life.

Even an ugly gringo could get a pretty hot wife if he wanted to man up and take a woman with another guys kids.

Ah, if only I hadn't switched jobs recently I'd be visiting Colombia, soaking in that culture.  Gotta  make it back there soon.

[Calipro]

Calipro-- actually anybody here--- have you seen or heard what Zon's up to these days?

It's been 6 years since he up and quit coming here. Like him or not, he was an interesting, polarizing guy.

I hope that him - - 'settling down' with one woman is working out. I liked Zon, but he certainly didn't seem like the kind of fellow to settle down with one woman.

Whole different kind of cat, but I wonder if Utopia Cowboy, so disgruntled with life in the USA, did move to Canada?

I haven't talked to Zon in years but recently he friended me on LinkedIn

 I think Zon was always secretly looking for the one.  Players don't complain about the lack of stimulating intelectual conversation with young hot Colombianas unless they are looking for a damn serious relationship. Jajaja

[benjio]

Been keeping my eye on this exchange for a while and I have to say CaliPro is dropping some real life knowledge here. So for anyone lurking please don’t ignore it. I’ve been visiting Colombia quite a bit lately and I have to say, my focus has switched completely!!! I’ve actually become one of the once in a while financial support guys to a woman that has proven she isn’t completely full of $#it!!! It’s easier and the risk factor is way less. I’m never bringing a girl back to the states. I’d rather bet on the Browns winning the Superbowl!! What I have is awesome companionship and a great time when I’m in country. I don’t date women without good jobs anymore. There are tons of red flags I can’t tolerate. The lack of intelligence. The entitlement. Maybe I’ll get married someday as a much older man. But the alternative...dealing with good looking American Women? Honestly I’d much rather go the MGTOW route and just deal with prostitutes here. Not my thing though...and never has been. There are beautiful women in Colombia that work hard and know their value. And then there are those with dwindling value that don’t realize it won’t last forever.

Let’s be honest here. Most of these women’s mental states do not equal wife material. Actually quite the opposite. I’d never do the full support thing. Too much stress. A girl sitting at home waiting for her lottery winnings via Western Union every week or month? Been there a few years back and I advise every man I meet against it. But there is the exception!! And plenty of them!! What guys really want is a hot piece of a$$ to lay next to every night. And usually, unless you’re extremely lucky, you’d like that to be a different girl every 3 or 4 times. It’s a cold game out here. But until I find something warmer I’m good as is.

The amazing thing is how many women in Brazil ready and willing to make all your sexual dreams come true for free!!! Like literaly on some “I love Americans” $hit But you have to live there to find them!!!

[Elexpatriado]

What I'm saying is damn near 100 percent of guys coming here aren't wife hunting but some do meet women and eventually marry  Hell I would say there are just as many guys that decide to live here as get married.

Marriage is taking a back seat to other lifestyle choices as far as I can see when it comes to guys that actually have choice$.


There are a lot of younger guys here in Medellin that work online and are location independent.


If you pay a fee on Tinder you can change your location from the USA to Colombia and the difference in what is a available to you is stark. Much better looking women in the 20 to 30 year old category.


Guys like Elexpat will tell you they are all hoes on Tinder because well that is all they are for him. Normal young guys aren't paying for it here. Hell I have had young American guys complain that they have to pay for everything when they take a chick out. Some refuse to pay a girls cab fare even if it means possibly not getting laid. jajaja


I have to tell you that when I first came to Colombia that I would laugh at older guys that would tell me all the women are hoes. jajaja  But I'm not laughing so much anymore. A lot of the younger hotter women will ignore you when you get up there in years and the hotter ones that are open to it will bring up money. Once you hit a certain age or looks hot women don't see you as relationship material and less of them see you as someone they are dying to sleep with. So if you are dead set on sleeping with very hot women you will have to pony up on some score or just walk around saying you are looking for a wife and bring her to the states to get any action. LOL.

Mis quoting me and making stuff up again. When did I ever say all the women on tinder are hoes?


Ohh who cares.??


Yes I agree why marry someone unles you are having kids or have lived together for 10 years? Colombians dont do it.


A lot of oldeer retired gringos do, often times just  to get a visa.

[robert angel]

Mis quoting me and making stuff up again. When did I ever say all the women on tinder are hoes?


Ohh who cares.??


Yes I agree why marry someone unles you are having kids or have lived together for 10 years? Colombians dont do it.


A lot of oldeer retired gringos do, often times just  to get a visa.

In my wife's country, it is very hard to buy a house or land unless you're native born. You can do so if you're married to a native.

Visas beyond 30 days w/o fees and hassles are  a PIA unless you marry a native.

It's a dfferent yet similar mindset there that keeps huge corporations from risking setting up long term corporate operations-- they don't have concrete ownership rights.

Shamey, as it's the 3rd largest English speaking nation on earth, with a very high literacy rate--a nation that otherwise would attract more development

Foriegn guys marry native women especially to get rights to the primest commercial/water front resort land. Unlike in the USA, they can buy the land down to the waterline and create private beach developments. That's too bad--ocean access should be free for all.

It took me, like 12 years, before I commingled my money with hers. No joint savings, checking accts or credit cards. Insane I know, given her loyalty, integrity and consistency.

One of these days, I need to put the house we're in stateside, which I bought before we wed, in both our names. Heck, if she left, she'd get at least half of any appreciation accrued since we wed.

But having been thru a divorce once before, I was very gun shy.

Meanwhile, she saved from her job for years and in fulfillment of her dream to always have a home of her own to go back to when she's old, she bought a home.

It's in the city, quiet, but a stroll from stores, then just a short ride to beach resorts, a new mall, etc.

That's a LOT more my style than her family's country farm house, where I'd have to deal with a small village, one where life centers around relaxing, at least when the coconuts, corn and rice fields don't require cropping. I'd go clucking frazy there!

But the the first thing she did when she bought the city home was to make sure that the deed and rights of the home's ownership are in both our names. I'd never have known if hadn't.

Whatta gal!

Given the laws, if we hadn't married, it couldn't have worked out that way --at least not legally.

[Calipro]

In my wife's country, it is very hard to buy a house or land unless you're native born. You can do so if you're married to a native.

Visas beyond 30 days w/o fees and hassles are  a PIA unless you marry a native.

It's a dfferent yet similar mindset there that keeps huge corporations from risking setting up long term corporate operations-- they don't have concrete ownership rights.

Shamey, as it's the 3rd largest English speaking nation on earth, with a very high literacy rate--a nation that otherwise would attract more development

Foriegn guys marry native women especially to get rights to the primest commercial/water front resort land. Unlike in the USA, they can buy the land down to the waterline and create private beach developments. That's too bad--ocean access should be free for all.

It took me, like 12 years, before I commingled my money with hers. No joint savings, checking accts or credit cards. Insane I know, given her loyalty, integrity and consistency.

One of these days, I need to put the house we're in stateside, which I bought before we wed, in both our names. Heck, if she left, she'd get at least half of any appreciation accrued since we wed.

But having been thru a divorce once before, I was very gun shy.

Meanwhile, she saved from her job for years and in fulfillment of her dream to always have a home of her own to go back to when she's old, she bought a home.

It's in the city, quiet, but a stroll from stores, then just a short ride to beach resorts, a new mall, etc.

That's a LOT more my style than her family's country farm house, where I'd have to deal with a small village, one where life centers around relaxing, at least when the coconuts, corn and rice fields don't require cropping. I'd go clucking frazy there!

But the the first thing she did when she bought the city home was to make sure that the deed and rights of the home's ownership are in both our names. I'd never have known if hadn't.

Whatta gal!

Given the laws, if we hadn't married, it couldn't have worked out that way --at least not legally.

If I were you I would leave everything I could to my children.
Trust me.... if you drop dead tomorrow you will be replaced....husbands are expendable and replaceable. Fathers aren't.

[Calipro]

Mis quoting me and making stuff up again. When did I ever say all the women on tinder are hoes?


Ohh who cares.??


Yes I agree why marry someone unles you are having kids or have lived together for 10 years? Colombians dont do it.


A lot of oldeer retired gringos do, often times just  to get a visa.

Does the frase "cara de puta" ring a bell. Oh, wait....I think that comment was directed at the picture of a facebook chick I posted. But who are we kidding here. We all know what you think of women...by now.

[Elexpatriado]

Does the frase "cara de puta" ring a bell. Oh, wait....I think that comment was directed at the picture of a facebook chick I posted. But who are we kidding here. We all know what you think of women...by now.

One bad post,I admit the girl was not that "type"  .. (OK maybe a couple bad posts ja ja) and I am a women hater ..NOT


Reminds me of the old joke..


You can build a thousand bridges , but if you suck one cock, they don't call you abridge builder but a ]cocksucker

[robert angel]

I haven't talked to Zon in years but recently he friended me on LinkedIn

 I think Zon was always secretly looking for the one.  Players don't complain about the lack of stimulating intelectual conversation with young hot Colombianas unless they are looking for a damn serious relationship. Jajaja

Well, I'm glad Zon sounds OK. I liked him. Zon had no puritanical pretense about him--zero.

Dennis Levy was swell too--we talked about catching a NY Yankees game at times, lol. He was a philosopher in a way. Some lives are lived more memorably than others...

I gotta call Whitey and Nazley one of these days--they're probably the closest Colombian -Canadian equivalent to our Asian -USA marriage scenario. (Although Whitey was actually born in USA) She's one sweet looking, gracious lady--Whitey almost hit it outta the park farther with his wife than I did. When we stepped out, there was no doubt who the two most beautiful women  in the roo were. (Are)

Pun intended--Whitey and I hit epic 'home' runs. I hope Zon did too. I am envious of Calipro--I'd love to hear the giggles of my own little kid again (never had a girl) and at that,  living where he wants, with his lovely wife, is about 'as good as it gets' for some lucky guys anyways.

[robert angel]

If I were you I would leave everything I could to my children.
Trust me.... if you drop dead tomorrow you will be replaced....husbands are expendable and replaceable. Fathers aren't.

I need to write a will and revocable trust. My kids make pretty good livings already, as does my wife.

She wants me to make sure that I at least treat them equally. She just 'doesn't want any bad blood"--- she's nice to a fault.

She wants me to make a will, BECAUSE she assumes if I don't, the BOYS won't get anything.

I guess she'll get 50% of liquid assets, the house, half my pension and some loose change. Won't be a ton of money, but except for a one, one time, splurge' the boys will have to wait until age 50 to collect the (invested) rest.

Oh, a while back my older son asked me:

"Dad, when you die, can I have the Rolex?"

I quickly replied: "Sure, would you like me to hurry up on that?"

[robert angel]

I need to write a will and revocable trust. My kids make pretty good livings already, as does my wife.

She wants me to make sure that I at least treat them equally. She just 'doesn't want any bad blood"--- she's nice to a fault.

She wants me to make a will, BECAUSE she assumes if I don't, the BOYS won't get anything.

I guess she'll get 50% of liquid assets, the house, half my pension and some loose change. Won't be a ton of money, but except for a one, one time, splurge' the boys will have to wait until age 50 to collect the (invested) rest.

Oh, a while back my older son asked me:

"Dad, when you die, can I have the Rolex?"

I quickly replied: "Sure, would you like me to hurry up on that?"

You guys seen the new mid engine C8 Chevy Corvette? Everyday driving comfort for two, room for 2 golf bags and several cases of beer,  that goes from zero to 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds, runs the quarter mile in 11.1.

My wife is totally OK with me dropping 75K cash on one right now-- how cool is that?

Must resist, must resist..

[robert angel]

You guys seen the new mid engine C8 Chevy Corvette? Everyday driving comfort for two, room for 2 golf bags and several cases of beer,  that goes from zero to 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds, runs the quarter mile in 11.1.

My wife is totally OK with me dropping 75K cash on one right now-- how cool is that?

Must resist, must resist..

Oh come'on boys, have a lookie--I figure if ya got enough balls, hormones and all to travel long distances to chase after red hot women, a red  hot sports car elicits a little more pulse in you than it does in the 'average joe' who never leaves Nebraska...

So do you think the car's a winner or not???

Introducing the 2020 Corvette | Mid-Engine Sports Car
https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/corvette

[mambocowboy]

Oh come'on boys, have a lookie--I figure if ya got enough balls, hormones and all to travel long distances to chase after red hot women, a red  hot sports car elicits a little more pulse in you than it does in the 'average joe' who never leaves Nebraska...

So do you think the car's a winner or not???

Introducing the 2020 Corvette | Mid-Engine Sports Car
https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/corvette

Chick magnet alert! Your wife is encouraging this?lmao

[robert angel]

Chick magnet alert! Your wife is encouraging this?lmao

Funny -- it's so ez to prebuild one any which way you want 'virtually ' at Chevy.com --we were just looking at builds...I thought the $1000 optional metallic burgundy looks smashing, if a bit too 'classy mature'.

The head of the C8 project said:

"Design it to appeal to ten year old boys"

Average owner of a new Vette had crept north of 60...

The stock white is surprisingly sharp to me and body shop guys always buy white--user friendly to dirt, scratches..

But my WIFE says go for the full blood "lambo blood' - the  'fire engine, 'come F me', red body color, along w the red Brembo calipers, on the black wheels, lol.

Of course I want a happy wife!!!

I've done more than enough stupid things with money, I figure it won't kill me to wait a year or two. Hopefully by then. the up market hybrid, the Z06 and the 'King' ZR1s Vettes will be out and market forces will save me 15-20K on a well dressed 2020. Ya never know.

Then I'll look for some old Jewish guy in S. Florida, looking to sell a low mile cherry one at a good price.

But it's nice to have a wife who if she wasn't encouraging enough already, actually became more delighted tonight, when I showed her actual pics I got with the car top off,  in person last August 14th. It was one of ten prototypes at the time.

I showed her how even with the unorthodox jet cockpit layout of the 2 seater, we could still keep our hands on ea other, lol...

https://youtu.be/cJL4qYgNr2k

[Cyprus]

You guys are lookin good--sounding good. 15's the next milestone for us. Seems like a wayyy big number--I just wish I'd met her instead of the 1st wife initially.

Then again, I was such a party animal and wild man back then, I'd probably have messed up. There's a reason for everything maybe...

Much of the info on here is outdated. And this forum software is really low tech and inexpensive. Not knocking on the site at all but there are much better options for forum software such as vBulletin or Invision. I have thought many times about starting one but never found anyone with interest. I wasnt going to spend the money and the time to build something that no one would use.

[robert angel]

Much of the info on here is outdated. And this forum software is really low tech and inexpensive. Not knocking on the site at all but there are much better options for forum software such as vBulletin or Invision. I have thought many times about starting one but never found anyone with interest. I wasnt going to spend the money and the time to build something that no one would use.

Low tech or not, this site 'potentially' offers a lot of resources for people who want to travel and do so to 'get lucky'--maybe find a wife, have a great time, yada, yada...I never watched that 90 day show, but apparently there's an audience beyond the apathetic one that exists here now. Meanwhile I'm ready to pull the trigger and have 4 nations lined up for safe travel. I don't know if people are too busy, bummed out or what, but I wish good things to all. Come'on--"Get on the plane!" (Or P.L.!!)

[mambocowboy]

Low tech or not, this site 'potentially' offers a lot of resources for people who want to travel and do so to 'get lucky'--maybe find a wife, have a great time, yada, yada...I never watched that 90 day show, but apparently there's an audience beyond the apathetic one that exists here now. Meanwhile I'm ready to pull the trigger and have 4 nations lined up for safe travel. I don't know if people are too busy, bummed out or what, but I wish good things to all. Come'on--"Get on the plane!" (Or P.L.!!)

This site was very helpful to me learning from trip reports etc. All that info is still there to be used...

[JWR]

Power yoga Ey

There is a 26 year age difference between me and my wife.

There is no way I would have even considered getting married again if it wasn't for my daughter.

Anyone that speaks Spanish and lives here can easily pull off a 20 year age difference and guys in there 70's can easily pull off a 30 or more age difference if they are into women in their 40s.

My wife is 31 and when she turns 32 she will be the oldest woman I have ever slept with.

Plenty of guys here are living with women half their age but nobody is getting married.


If there were American guys that still wanted a mail order bride ....there are still poor women here that would undoubtedly be interested in leaving their family and everything they have ever know while marrying a guy that they don't know well for a shot at a better life.

Even an ugly gringo could get a pretty hot wife if he wanted to man up and take a woman with another guys kids.

That pretty much describes my situation.  Never slept with a women over 32 years old and my tastes are not changing. 

Curious why you say you would never get married again if it wasn't for your daughter?  Marriage life is not as satisfying as you would like??

Curious also about your comment about the guys living with much younger girls but not getting married.  How much monthly "sponsorship and support" do you think that is costing those guys.  Can you guess the figure?
Before covid, I was making exit plans to go live in Colombia, and holding out hope for maybe something real to happen...   I'm 58 now, and accepting the fact that there's going to need to be some "sponsorship" to keep sleeping with the age and beauty of the girls I've become accustomed to.
For the last several years, I've been doing the Tijuana sugar daddy thing. (35 minutes door to door) Many beautiful girls in TJ that are happy to have an older guy on the side to help them with their college tuition or expenses.  Gorgeous gorgeous girls near model material that treat me really well.  A few of them I've seen for over 2 years.  Simple relationships without any strings attached or expectations.  I figure it's cost me $1200-$1500 per month.  For me that's not alot of money, and compared to the costs of some of my real relationships including my Colombian wife of 12 years, not a bad deal. 

Now that covid is winding down, and restrictions are lifting, I'm again considering exiting the US.  Love to rent a place on Lago Calima to enjoy the lake, and close enough to Cali for city trips. I've wondered about finding some more steady pretty companionship to possibly live with, or develop something more long term.  I figure long term as a couple years before they move on to the next stage of their life.

[robert angel]

This site was very helpful to me learning from trip reports etc. All that info is still there to be used...

Epic letters above!  Guys, you have ALL kinds of options! I'm/we're till holding happy. Getting old really does suck and a 24 year age difference never goes away. The reality of it all is there, but here and now I can't complain. I can't see myself doing any better at this point--throwing away a pearl. Yes, she's 40, but she's mighty fine for 40. And still has her head on right, like she did when I met her 20 years ago. She jokes: "Any bad habits I have--I learned from you." Having spent the last 26 months together 24X7, with her moving to working at home, me retiring and us moving have all been elements.  Pics from us fooling today around while she prepped dinner and then us fixing to tend bar for a good charity last week!
You never know, unless you take a leap of faith!!

[mambocowboy]

Epic letters above!  Guys, you have ALL kinds of options! I'm/we're till holding happy. Getting old really does suck and a 24 year age difference never goes away. The reality of it all is there, but here and now I can't complain. I can't see myself doing any better at this point--throwing away a pearl. Yes, she's 40, but she's mighty fine for 40. And still has her head on right, like she did when I met her 20 years ago. She jokes: "Any bad habits I have--I learned from you." Having spent the last 26 months together 24X7, with her moving to working at home, me retiring and us moving have all been elements.  Pics from us fooling today around while she prepped dinner and then us fixing to tend bar for a good charity last week!
You never know, unless you take a leap of faith!!

You both look great! Nothing ventured nothing gained my friends.

[Calipro]

That pretty much describes my situation.  Never slept with a women over 32 years old and my tastes are not changing. 

Curious why you say you would never get married again if it wasn't for your daughter?  Marriage life is not as satisfying as you would like??

Curious also about your comment about the guys living with much younger girls but not getting married.  How much monthly "sponsorship and support" do you think that is costing those guys.  Can you guess the figure?
Before covid, I was making exit plans to go live in Colombia, and holding out hope for maybe something real to happen...   I'm 58 now, and accepting the fact that there's going to need to be some "sponsorship" to keep sleeping with the age and beauty of the girls I've become accustomed to.
For the last several years, I've been doing the Tijuana sugar daddy thing. (35 minutes door to door) Many beautiful girls in TJ that are happy to have an older guy on the side to help them with their college tuition or expenses.  Gorgeous gorgeous girls near model material that treat me really well.  A few of them I've seen for over 2 years.  Simple relationships without any strings attached or expectations.  I figure it's cost me $1200-$1500 per month.  For me that's not alot of money, and compared to the costs of some of my real relationships including my Colombian wife of 12 years, not a bad deal. 

Now that covid is winding down, and restrictions are lifting, I'm again considering exiting the US.  Love to rent a place on Lago Calima to enjoy the lake, and close enough to Cali for city trips. I've wondered about finding some more steady pretty companionship to possibly live with, or develop something more long term.  I figure long term as a couple years before they move on to the next stage of their life.

The only reason I got married and am still married is because I like living with my kid.....so it is a fair trade off....but for me to be married just to grow old with someone  well that is very over rated IMHO.

How much it cost guys to have the wife experience in Colombia varies widely.....but to live full time with an 8 probably costs 1000 to 1500 hundred a month and  that doesn't include having to.pay for her dinner out or airplane tickets to where ever you go.

For a 1000 bucks spending cash you can have something pretty darn nice and they do clean the house as well....pretry much what a live in girlfriend or wife would do...except they never get headaches
 You both know whet the deal is.

There are a few guys that get it much cheaper because they put out hope that they will marry them one day.....but not worth it in the end as it just leads to bitterness when she finally realizes what the score is.

[robert angel]

The only reason I got married and am still married is because I like living with my kid.....so it is a fair trade off....but for me to be married just to grow old with someone  well that is very over rated IMHO.

How much it cost guys to have the wife experience in Colombia varies widely.....but to live full time with an 8 probably costs 1000 to 1500 hundred a month and  that doesn't include having to.pay for her dinner out or airplane tickets to where ever you go.

For a 1000 bucks spending cash you can have something pretty darn nice and they do clean the house as well....pretry much what a live in girlfriend or wife would do...except they never get headaches
 You both know whet the deal is.

There are a few guys that get it much cheaper because they put out hope that they will marry them one day.....but not worth it in the end as it just leads to bitterness when she finally realizes what the score is.

Everyone should experience children growing up. The laughter, the tears--everything and it's more than imagined. My wife remembers our youngest crawling in bed w/ us during fierce thunderstorms. Now he's wowing them at Microsoft's new Atlanta HQ Azure cloud AI team--after they wooed him. She once helped him w/ math. It doesn't mean much to the boys now and if they're out of touch w/ their parents--so was I at their age. But seeing them grow and launch, helping them mentally and financially, is very important. And at any age, travel IS "Continuing education"


But marriage, and more recently, moving into the expensive house, has it's legal obligations in the USA, children or not. Fact is, she's helped us achieve dreams beyond what I imagined. Permanent retirement in an idyllic vacation place and another home in our names there. This summer we'll have 21 people sleeping there, LOL. My pension only goes up if I go single, otherwise she gets half of that if I die and then this summer, whatever SS might entail. Hell as soon as my body's cold--she'll be back home--- the ultimate lola to nieces, nephews etc.  We pay someone a hundred bucks a month to look after her mom--how easy is that. Sometimes I think about living over there--we'll see, ha. It's perhaps inevitable that one day I'll have to manage "high six to 7ish" figures" and hell, if it was all about money, I'd be all out, I suppose. But I'm not wired like that. Big money, big problems. Get a manager--look before you leap was my high school quote. Then I lead and still have, a rather extraordinary, circumstances driven life. Like many guys here--past or whatever, life's really been an adventure thus far. And we're still rockin it!

[Calipro]

But marriage, and more recently, moving into the expensive house, has it's legal obligations in the USA, children or not.
 

I think it is important for guys to know that you can minimize the legal obligations to a wife in the USA with proper planning because I see I lot of guys that never plan on marrying or even having children for that very reason.


If I divorce my wife gets no more than she has now and even less if we divorce in the next 10 years because she won't qualify for child in care benefits nor my social security pension after I die....unless of course I happen to die before we are divorced. Hope that doesn't happen. jajaja


All my real property is in an irrevocable trust for my daughter and all of my life insurance pays out to that trust as well....except for a policy that I have though my retirement plan for 125K that will go to my wife.


It isn't that I don't love my wife.....but rather I love my children a lot more. The wife will have to be very nice to my daughter if she is to get any real money down the line.

[ignorante]

I think it is important for guys to know that you can minimize the legal obligations to a wife in the USA with proper planning because I see I lot of guys that never plan on marrying or even having children for that very reason.


If I divorce my wife gets no more than she has now and even less if we divorce in the next 10 years because she won't qualify for child in care benefits nor my social security pension after I die....unless of course I happen to die before we are divorced. Hope that doesn't happen. jajaja


All my real property is in an irrevocable trust for my daughter and all of my life insurance pays out to that trust as well....except for a policy that I have though my retirement plan for 125K that will go to my wife.


It isn't that I don't love my wife.....but rather I love my children a lot more. The wife will have to be very nice to my daughter if she is to get any real money down the line.

How will she survive until then should you die still happily married?

[Calipro]

She will some how have to manage on social security survivor benefits of about  4500 between her and my daughter....both houses are paid for  even though they are still in a trust ...she can live in or rent them out ....at 18 may daughter could move the property out of the trust and  sell them or  just kick my wife out if she wants.

She can work also



How will she survive until then should you die still happily married?

[robert angel]

I think it is important for guys to know that you can minimize the legal obligations to a wife in the USA with proper planning because I see I lot of guys that never plan on marrying or even having children for that very reason.


If I divorce my wife gets no more than she has now and even less if we divorce in the next 10 years because she won't qualify for child in care benefits nor my social security pension after I die....unless of course I happen to die before we are divorced. Hope that doesn't happen. jajaja


All my real property is in an irrevocable trust for my daughter and all of my life insurance pays out to that trust as well....except for a policy that I have though my retirement plan for 125K that will go to my wife.


It isn't that I don't love my wife.....but rather I love my children a lot more. The wife will have to be very nice to my daughter if she is to get any real money down the line.

As I recall, you once said you don't plan on sticking around past age 80, so maybe thats part of your mindset. I've been with the same woman almost 20 years and it's been very, very good. I am grateful--if I get another 20, it's all upside. Grateful isn't to be confused with being soft or stupid. I'm glad my pension's more than protected--it can only go up. My SS is mine, as long as I live. I increasingly prefer fixed assets-- futures, more than immediately liquefiable ones. I've had my clock cleaned financially in an economic crash, as well as in a  divorce before--so it's not like I'm naive.


But I'm going be totally objective, my wife has done a helluva a lot for me, in every dept.--more than my sons have or ever will do. As I get older and see where real loyalty and devotion has come from, my inclination is to leave my wife more, and my children less. Just rewards/desserts. She cares and adds value--my sons--who she helped raise, are successful, but they really don't give a sh!t about me, or their mom & stepmom, although we've given them the world. And as smart as they are--they don't realize how if they played their game different, they could probably eventually retire by age 40. Oh well, one day they'll learn.


I'm up from Georgia and in Michigan for 10 days to give my sisters a break, as they care for my ailing father--handling a multitude of difficult situations every week, bringing in excellent caretakers to help---they do sooo much. Then I'll spend a month in Asia--then back to Michigan to help, mix duty and please--enjoy "The Detroit Dream Cruise Week" and visit family. Honestly, I probably don't 'have to' to secure an inheritance, as I am already aware of the structure--but it's the 'right' thing to do. Someday, a lot of money will come our way--after he passes--may it be a long time from now.  And if it somehow didn't materialize?--I'd still be OK.


I'm careful with protecting my overall financial situation, but there ought to be enough for all of us--if my wife left, I'd hate it--but I'd still keep the home--I'd have to arrange an excellent cook/house keeper etc. If I wanted another boat, sportscar--a club membership, no problem. But I'd sure as hell miss her!!


I suppose it's easier to make plans [just in case]--when you feel that women as partners are readily replaceable--until you meet one you really feel can't be replaced--when she's THAT good.



Your approach sounds rather Machiavellian to me. I imagine she doesn't read this (like who does anymore?) but I wouldn't want my wife to know I was 'front loading' a future that could quite possibly turn quite negative. My wife knows my pension and future SS are shielded. She knows the equity in our home was largely established with funds I had before we wed. Not 'common' property.  So it is what it is--no pulled punches or potential time bombs--yet our happiness--our futures, are intrinsically intertwined.


In my experience, you mix blood and money and things often turn out different than 'planned.' Perhaps such 'planning' works in Colombian mindsets--but it sounds to me as if you might be more valuable dead than alive, especially before that child reaches adulthood. You seem to be confident--sounds like using you're using your child to 'hedge your bet', but there or here, I'd watch my back if I were you.  I hope that little girl grows up with values that unfortunately seem increasingly uncommon today. As one Scotsman, Robert Burns said:


[size=78%][/size]Robert Burns: [/color]“The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men. Gang aft a-gley”. Or to translate, the best laid plans of mice and men can still go wrong.

[Calipro]

As I recall, you once said you don't plan on sticking around past age 80, so maybe thats part of your mindset. I've been with the same woman almost 20 years and it's been very, very good. I am grateful--if I get another 20, it's all upside. Grateful isn't to be confused with being soft or stupid. I'm glad my pension's more than protected--it can only go up. My SS is mine, as long as I live. I increasingly prefer fixed assets-- futures, more than immediately liquefiable ones. I've had my clock cleaned financially in an economic crash, as well as in a  divorce before--so it's not like I'm naive.


But I'm going be totally objective, my wife has done a helluva a lot for me, in every dept.--more than my sons have or ever will do. As I get older and see where real loyalty and devotion has come from, my inclination is to leave my wife more, and my children less. Just rewards/desserts. She cares and adds value--my sons--who she helped raise, are successful, but they really don't give a sh!t about me, or their mom & stepmom, although we've given them the world. And as smart as they are--they don't realize how if they played their game different, they could probably eventually retire by age 40. Oh well, one day they'll learn.


I'm up from Georgia and in Michigan for 10 days to give my sisters a break, as they care for my ailing father--handling a multitude of difficult situations every week, bringing in excellent caretakers to help---they do sooo much. Then I'll spend a month in Asia--then back to Michigan to help, mix duty and please--enjoy "The Detroit Dream Cruise Week" and visit family. Honestly, I probably don't 'have to' to secure an inheritance, as I am already aware of the structure--but it's the 'right' thing to do. Someday, a lot of money will come our way--after he passes--may it be a long time from now.  And if it somehow didn't materialize?--I'd still be OK.


I'm careful with protecting my overall financial situation, but there ought to be enough for all of us--if my wife left, I'd hate it--but I'd still keep the home--I'd have to arrange an excellent cook/house keeper etc. If I wanted another boat, sportscar--a club membership, no problem. But I'd sure as hell miss her!!


I suppose it's easier to make plans [just in case]--when you feel that women as partners are readily replaceable--until you meet one you really feel can't be replaced--when she's THAT good.



Your approach sounds rather Machiavellian to me. I imagine she doesn't read this (like who does anymore?) but I wouldn't want my wife to know I was 'front loading' a future that could quite possibly turn quite negative. My wife knows my pension and future SS are shielded. She knows the equity in our home was largely established with funds I had before we wed. Not 'common' property.  So it is what it is--no pulled punches or potential time bombs--yet our happiness--our futures, are intrinsically intertwined.


In my experience, you mix blood and money and things often turn out different than 'planned.' Perhaps such 'planning' works in Colombian mindsets--but it sounds to me as if you might be more valuable dead than alive, especially before that child reaches adulthood. You seem to be confident--sounds like using you're using your child to 'hedge your bet', but there or here, I'd watch my back if I were you.  I hope that little girl grows up with values that unfortunately seem increasingly uncommon today. As one Scotsman, Robert Burns said:


Robert Burns: “The best laid schemes o’ mice an’ men. Gang aft a-gley”. Or to translate, the best laid plans of mice and men can still go wrong.

Well so far things are going as planned....but it hasn't been easy. My wife prefers life in Colombia... as do I. But this isn't about just me anymore....it's about my daughter. And I have to remind my wife of that repeatedly...unfortunately. But it does seem to be sinking in a bit. in a few days my wife and daughter will be going back to Colombia to visit her mom.

She can stay until the first week of Aug. because that's when my daughter goes back to school. It will be interesting to see if she stays right to the end or comes back a little early....it is possible that she won't come back at all but she says that won't happen.

Unfortunately there are other women that I actually like better than my wife......but my wife gave me my child so she is here and they are not. Like I said before..... if my wife didn't have my child I wouldn't be married.....it's just the reality of the situation. But obviously I'm happier to be living with my wife and child than I would be living with any other woman I can think of and that is simply because I love my child more than anything else on the planet.

But yeah.... my wife would be easily replaceable if she wasn't the mother of my daughter.

The funny thing is you really can't disinherit your children in Colombia.....by law all of your property goes to your children equally at death. If you have a will you can by law only give 20 percent of your property to someone other than your children.

My mother and father where both married five times and I always knew I was more important to them than any of their spouses including when they were married to each other. I can't say that I have had any real first hand experiences with relationships..... where the wife or husband was more important than the children....but I understand that does happen. I just can't see myself ever loving a wife (or any woman) more than my child....even if the child disowned me. My child loving me isn't a requirement. Only that I love them.

Most guys find out too late in life that the only woman that has ever truly loved them unconditionally was their mother and if they are lucky their children as well.

[robert angel]

I totally respect that.