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Thoughts on Venezuela
« on: January 17, 2018, 02:33:01 AM »
I just wanted to get thoughts on Venezuela from some of you who are more knowledgeable about Latin America and have been watching it over a long period of time.


It's pretty obvious that visiting Venezuela is pretty much out of the question right now; how long has this been true? Are there any thoughts on when that situation might improve enough to make travel a possibility?


Also, would anyone try to communicate with a woman from Venezuela right now or is that just wasted time?




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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2018, 07:29:30 AM »
dangerous place to visit, and if your a gringo you, need a visa, which is impossible to get since Maduro and his govt does not want Americans in his country. will take years for that place to turn around and its very difficult for the locals to get a passport to leave venezuela.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2018, 01:42:15 PM »
I just wanted to get thoughts on Venezuela from some of you who are more knowledgeable about Latin America and have been watching it over a long period of time.


It's pretty obvious that visiting Venezuela is pretty much out of the question right now; how long has this been true? Are there any thoughts on when that situation might improve enough to make travel a possibility?


Also, would anyone try to communicate with a woman from Venezuela right now or is that just wasted time?

While there are some incredibly beautiful women there and parts had an almost European level of development and sophistication at one time, it's been such a mess for a while, that I'd pass it by. To some extent, although not quite as bad, so is Argentina, where USA citizens aren't too welcome either. Cities like Caracas and Buenos Aires in particular, used to be great, world class destinations.

It'll take years, if not decades, before that Venezuela turns around. The whole Socialistic--Communist govt. mindset and economy, was propped up by oil revenues and they didn't save money for the inevitable downturn, instead they over spent and corruption's been rampant. Dangerous place.

In the meantime, govt control over exodus or not, there's plenty of Venezuelans who nonetheless are leaving and living in adjacent nations, including the lovely, tourist friendly 'A, B, C islands', which are a quick and easy boat ride escape away. On a good, clear day, I've seen the coastline of Venezuela from Aruba. In fact, in the mornings, we'd buy veggies and fruit from Venezuelans who come there by boat every day, desperate for US dollars to provide a wedge against their money's horrific inflation.
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2018, 05:20:53 PM »
It really is such a waste. Two of my Skype Spanish tutors are women from Venezuela; both beautiful, educated, and incredibly sweet. One of them lives in San Cristobal, on the Colombian border. She says life there is not so bad due to their access to goods from Colombia. I don't know how she is getting paid for her tutoring, but I hope it's in dollars.


I was contacted by another woman from Venezuela on LACupid. She said her plan was to emigrate via land after she finished a nurse training program she is currently in. She said it was going to be with some friends (I assume it was a boyfriend) as it would not be safe to travel alone. In the meantime, she insisted she could leave Venezuela by air anytime she wants, but that seemed unlikely to me.


As I said, such a waste.





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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2018, 05:29:34 PM »
Things there have gone from bad to worse in Venezuela. I have been in daily contact since Nov2016 with a Venezuelana of 53 years who lives in Anzuategui province. Early last year she has had to put up with the 'colas' looking for food and personal sundries in the tiendas, pharmacies and supermarkets, but now every place to shop is closed due to riots and looting on a daily basis. Nobody ventures outside of the home alone. And the women try to have male family members accompany them whenever possible. 

One can still get to medical offices and dentists if they have not closed up and the professionals have not emigrated. But pharmaceuticals now are practically non-existent in many cities. Last summer it was not uncommon to travel to a dozen pharmacies to fine a particular prescription. Now, it is next to impossible to find a prescription, even the common ones.  And she lives in a major city, although not Caracas.

Her male family members have reinforced the windows, doors in the house where she had lives with her brother and daughter. They are now living in fear of home invasions by desperate citizens looking for food and medicine.

Power outages have not been uncommon during the spring summer and fall. However they are now in the 'dry' winter season along the Caribbean coast so power is almost constant, but that will change when the 'dry' season is over.

The near daily rioting and looting started up just after New Years. And it does not appear to be letting up soon.   

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 03:27:56 PM »
Going after the desperate lower estrato women in Colombia is bad enough. Why go through hassle and risk to go after the most desperate of the desperate.?


Enough Venezuelan Hoes showing up in most Colombian cities anyway. Especially Cucuta and Bucaramanga..

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2018, 04:04:54 PM »
Going after the desperate lower estrato women in Colombia is bad enough. Why go through hassle and risk to go after the most desperate of the desperate.?


Enough Venezuelan Hoes showing up in most Colombian cities anyway. Especially Cucuta and Bucaramanga..


And don't forget Cali.
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2018, 05:02:27 PM »
Going after the desperate lower estrato women in Colombia is bad enough. Why go through hassle and risk to go after the most desperate of the desperate.?


Enough Venezuelan Hoes showing up in most Colombian cities anyway. Especially Cucuta and Bucaramanga..
I read there is a growing number of colombianos leaving their wives for venezolanas...

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 07:15:02 PM »
Going after the desperate lower estrato women in Colombia is bad enough. Why go through hassle and risk to go after the most desperate of the desperate.?


Enough Venezuelan Hoes showing up in most Colombian cities anyway. Especially Cucuta and Bucaramanga..

Gringos getting more bang for the buck, that's why. Literally. Half a ham sandwich maybe, lol.
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2018, 03:20:52 AM »
Does anyone remember when men from the U.S. were traveling to Venezuela in numbers? Or has it been long enough that no one here can recall?

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 07:15:00 AM »
Does anyone remember when men from the U.S. were traveling to Venezuela in numbers? Or has it been long enough that no one here can recall?


never, because before venezuela was the rich country of latin america and the women there didnt want gringos.  but now since the govt screwed the country over, they are trying to leave to neighboring countries, ecuador, panama, colombia, brazil ect.


problem is, getting a passport is difficult and expensive.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 10:31:36 AM »
Does anyone remember when men from the U.S. were traveling to Venezuela in numbers? Or has it been long enough that no one here can recall?

A few of the regular members here have been to Venezuela...though I beleive it as a LONG time ago.

Kiltboy went there....and he thought most of the women in Venezuela were stuck up (if I recall his posts correctly).

Elex...was in the oil business and I think spent time there a long time ago. He can chime in and correct me.

Finally, there as a poster here going by the handle "Awesome" who went to Venezuela a year or two ago. You can find his trip reports. Most of the members here thought he was lying. I sort of believed him. But the guy got banned from P.L. earlier last year for other (legit) reasons.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2018, 08:42:41 PM »
Things there have gone from bad to worse in Venezuela. I have been in daily contact since Nov2016 with a Venezuelana of 53 years who lives in Anzuategui province. Early last year she has had to put up with the 'colas' looking for food and personal sundries in the tiendas, pharmacies and supermarkets, but now every place to shop is closed due to riots and looting on a daily basis. Nobody ventures outside of the home alone. And the women try to have male family members accompany them whenever possible. 

One can still get to medical offices and dentists if they have not closed up and the professionals have not emigrated. But pharmaceuticals now are practically non-existent in many cities. Last summer it was not uncommon to travel to a dozen pharmacies to fine a particular prescription. Now, it is next to impossible to find a prescription, even the common ones.  And she lives in a major city, although not Caracas.

Her male family members have reinforced the windows, doors in the house where she had lives with her brother and daughter. They are now living in fear of home invasions by desperate citizens looking for food and medicine.

Power outages have not been uncommon during the spring summer and fall. However they are now in the 'dry' winter season along the Caribbean coast so power is almost constant, but that will change when the 'dry' season is over.

The near daily rioting and looting started up just after New Years. And it does not appear to be letting up soon.

Sadly amazing, seems incredible but true and capable of getting worse.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2018, 02:22:36 AM »
A few of the regular members here have been to Venezuela...though I beleive it as a LONG time ago.

Kiltboy went there....and he thought most of the women in Venezuela were stuck up (if I recall his posts correctly).

Elex...was in the oil business and I think spent time there a long time ago. He can chime in and correct me.

Finally, there as a poster here going by the handle "Awesome" who went to Venezuela a year or two ago. You can find his trip reports. Most of the members here thought he was lying. I sort of believed him. But the guy got banned from P.L. earlier last year for other (legit) reasons.

Thanks for the info; maybe those guys will contribute later.

I did read the trip report and it wasn't clear to me how much of it was legit; 100% of it was entertaining, though.


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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2018, 06:35:26 AM »

never, because before venezuela was the rich country of latin america and the women there didnt want gringos.  but now since the govt screwed the country over, they are trying to leave to neighboring countries, ecuador, panama, colombia, brazil ect.


problem is, getting a passport is difficult and expensive.


You are not too far off Mudd.


When I was working for Chevron in Maracaibo in 2008, I was "friends" with a Beautiful Venezuelan woman my age. I could have been more than "friends" but I was under a brujeria  from an estrato2 Zunga from Cali 24 years younger.


Any way, this lady was real estate agent , had 2 cars, a beautiful house, and her kids were , doctors . lawyers and a vet. One of the girls was a former miss Universe (took after her mom) married to a handsome Cosmetic surgeon. My friends "ex" was also a very successful plastic surgeon. They all got along very well, including her and her ex. I went to the daughters wedding. They treated me like Royalty.


Definitely would be "estrato 7" in Colombia.


My friend told me that she raised her daughters not to be interested in older men. Go after men their own age. And no "gringo hunting"..these type of girls wouldnt be caught dead on the Cupid sites or looking for Gringos.


The lady is now living in Florida, and I am sure her kids and her ex have all left the country.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2018, 06:40:14 AM »
My crazy indigenous (Kogi) "friend" keeps telling me to  go to Cucuta because of all the "hot" Venezuelanas there.


Most likely ex Engineers and brain surgeons working as prepagos...

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2018, 12:31:40 PM »
When I was waiting in line to go through security in Houston recently, there was a mother and her daughter ahead of me. The mother was about my age and the daughter was about 30 and very attractive. They were chatting and the mother was clearly broken up about leaving.


After the daughter left the line, I asked the mother if she was Colombian because I noticed her boarding passes were a flight to Bogota and then another one to CĂșcuta. She said that no, she was Venezuelan and on her way home after a six month visit with her daughter.


I asked her if her daughter was a US citizen and she said yes, so I said that the daughter could easily apply for her to get a green card to live in the US. She said yes, she knew that was possible but she was attached to Venezuela and her life there.


It was a bit of a mystery to me but then my wife and kids go back to Colombia every year and even though the rest of us think it's a ****hole as our president would say, they still  love it.

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2018, 02:45:53 PM »
as with most people from a latin american country, when they go back to say colombia, brazil, peru ect, your on a different level than most locals because 1, you have a visa to go back to USA  and live in a much safer place, better options ect, and more than likely,2 you have some $$ to party with.


i know a family from  cali, most of the family lives in US, but they go back once a year for about 30 days and  party and have fun, but at the end, they would rather live in US.


you also see a lot of Latins that live in Miami go back two or thee times a year to live and have fun.


 but as for traveling to venezuela, bad idea, better off going to Brazil



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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2018, 07:16:04 PM »
Years back the TLC girl catalog outfit offered tours there. What I heard (strictly hearsay) was that at their last "event" a Venezuelan woman reporter attended their first party then went on tv to report that most of the attendees were putas which supposedly resulted in a very empty second party. And that was the end of TLC tours to Venezuela.


I didn't know Awesome was banned, I thought he just quit posting...but then that would have been out of character for him. He posted some seemingly real photos of Caracas but since you can get anything off the internet no way of knowing if he was there or not.
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2018, 01:26:05 PM »
While there are some incredibly beautiful women there and parts had an almost European level of development and sophistication at one time, it's been such a mess for a while, that I'd pass it by. To some extent, although not quite as bad, so is Argentina, where USA citizens aren't too welcome either. Cities like Caracas and Buenos Aires in particular, used to be great, world class destinations.

It'll take years, if not decades, before that Venezuela turns around. The whole Socialistic--Communist govt. mindset and economy, was propped up by oil revenues and they didn't save money for the inevitable downturn, instead they over spent and corruption's been rampant. Dangerous place.

In the meantime, govt control over exodus or not, there's plenty of Venezuelans who nonetheless are leaving and living in adjacent nations, including the lovely, tourist friendly 'A, B, C islands', which are a quick and easy boat ride escape away. On a good, clear day, I've seen the coastline of Venezuela from Aruba. In fact, in the mornings, we'd buy veggies and fruit from Venezuelans who come there by boat every day, desperate for US dollars to provide a wedge against their money's horrific inflation.


Why aren't gringos soo much welcome there? Its sad to hear as I'm going there at the end of February?

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2018, 07:39:07 PM »
Years back the TLC girl catalog outfit offered tours there. What I heard (strictly hearsay) was that at their last "event" a Venezuelan woman reporter attended their first party then went on tv to report that most of the attendees were putas which supposedly resulted in a very empty second party. And that was the end of TLC tours to Venezuela.


I didn't know Awesome was banned, I thought he just quit posting...but then that would have been out of character for him. He posted some seemingly real photos of Caracas but since you can get anything off the internet no way of knowing if he was there or not.

Most of the girls going to those TLC events
In Colombia (mostly Cali) are Putas of one sort or another as well. You dont need a reporter to tell you that.

Most of the gringos attending those events are too dumb to figure it out..some even end up marrying the hoes..

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2018, 08:22:56 PM »

Why aren't gringos soo much welcome there? Its sad to hear as I'm going there at the end of February?

Not having actually set foot in either country,  I'm not going to pretend I'm an expert. Both are considered 3rd world nations, despite Argentina having a per capita income in excess of $12,000 USD. Also, Argentina is generally, along with Uruguay, and with Brazil a somewhat distant 3rd, the most European like, influenced and also the most 'white' of S. & C.American nation/s.

We had pretty severe sanctions going back decades ago in Argentina, limiting their ability to arm themselves, but the game's changed there several times and their petroleum capacity has helped warm diplomatic ties.

While Venezuela is generally seen as one of the world's top ten nations in terms of oil reserves and number one in actual readily available oil reserves : 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

The US govt doesn't want the present govt there to control such a massive, long term strategically valuable asset.  As such, the US govt and other nations following our 'lead' have imposed sanctions, effectively kicking a dog that's down and near dead. Lord only knows what'd go down if Russia or China busted a move into rescuing Venezuela. ...

My theory, for the 2 cents it's worth, is that like the North Koreans are raised to feel that the USA is evil incarnate,  that Venezuelans are being told that the USA is no friend and that our govt. is making their situation worse than it has to be. In comparison, I think the Venezuelans have a stronger case for that mindset, than the N. Koreans. We are trying to force a regime change there and making the people so unhappy that they riot is a big part of v the strategy.

Back to Argentina, they have a long record of nationalistic fervor, an attitude there seen by many as if their 'sh!t' doesn't stink as bad as other nation's around them, really worldwide.  Not that the USA is some blooming fragrant rose by to the same yardstick, or that that neither do the Japanese, French or Germans cop a 'we're superior people' atitudes, to name but a few such nations.  But we're 1st world nations, so we think we're above the fray, so to speak....

My parents used to love visiting and staying with friends who were native Argentinians and Venezuelans in their home countries, but they were well respected artists, authors a few big business owners and such, my folks weren't really exposed to the real 'life on the streets' there. But they were always aware of how changeable the general climate is in those countries.

Right now, we're cozying up with Argentia more, as we want access to their considerable reources, especially in light of how we're sitting off Venezuela and Mexico, with all their petroleum, silver etc.,  isn't anywhere near to making Trump an honorary citizen,  LOL.

We are in a race in that part of the world against China to assert influence and loan money to create infrastructure improvements, so aside from some occasional  inflammatory USA political rhetoric, we are playing carefully, so as to preserve a long standing involvement (presence) there.

My parents raised us to believe that nations in Asia, Africa, the Middle East, South and Central America really didn't 'hate' US citizens as individuals,  that the people there had real issues with our govt and economic policies. That's what they experienced in their travels, and they were involved in both humanitarian and economic areas in all those areas.

But as I've 'grown up' I think that's changed and that people in those nations have come to dislike US citizens as a whole more and more, not separating the people as a whole from policies made by a few. They're dupes --'victims' of their propganda as much as we are to ours. People in Venezuela in particular need someone, something to hate and blame lately. Unlike the slow thawing of US-Cuba relations, US-Venezuela relations are cold, cold, cold....

My advice is to take a couple hours and research online yourself and to stay away from the first couple pages of Google hits and even launch your research via a VPN aiming for a more balanced view of the current realities for a US citizen visiting there. I think being a black man in Venezuela will look better on you than in Argentina unfortunately, but regardless of your skin tone, I wouldn't expect a Rd carpet greeting in either nation about now.

Again, I'd advise researching things before, but my 'horse sense' from what I've gathered about you, makes me think you'll be 'OK' ----that you won't be going thattaway, wearing a red white and blue ensemble,  complete with a 'Make America Great Again' baseball cap....
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2018, 07:47:40 AM »
RA yoju sure are verbose for a guy who admits he nevee has been to either place.

I am sure KAI can do his own internet search.

You dont see.me doing multipage diatribes on the Philipines, place I have never.been, now do you?
You should look up the definition of "third world"
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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2018, 09:00:34 AM »
Most of the girls going to those TLC events
In Colombia (mostly Cali) are Putas of one sort or another as well. You dont need a reporter to tell you that.

Most of the gringos attending those events are too dumb to figure it out..some even end up marrying the hoes..


You and Mudd always talking about putas like they were some kind of low life vermin. I worked for various corporations over the course of my working life and I don't consider my working career to have been much different than someone working flat on their back. In fact there are many times I would have preferred being paid to screw instead of what I was being paid for!

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Re: Thoughts on Venezuela
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2018, 09:43:33 AM »

You and Mudd always talking about putas like they were some kind of low life vermin. I worked for various corporations over the course of my working life and I don't consider my working career to have been much different than someone working flat on their back. In fact there are many times I would have preferred being paid to screw instead of what I was being paid for!




lol, nothing wrong  if a girl chooses sex for $ for her profession, its her body and reputation, but i find it laughable that guys  think all girls in medellin are angels and think all " putas"  as you  say...are good girlfriend or wife material. better a guy knows and understands the culture and thinking here than being blind and listening to guys " ohhh paisas make great wife's and are perfect employees"   what city in colomba (  other than cartagena which already has a lot of "paisa putas" already) has the reputation of prepagos?    medellin maybe?  :o


i would pick a rolla over a paisa any day, but thats just my opinion.
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