Trip report with comments

[fathertime]

Trip report.

I hate to write anything negative about good people and burn bridges but I am going to be truthful in my report despite whose feelings are hurt.  

Arrived at Cali on January 19th and intended to stay until the 26th.  I paid Latin Encounters for my stay.  My intention going into the trip was to see a woman I met from a previous trip and use Latin Encounters as my backup plan.  As it turned out I quickly discovered Latin Encounters was the new plan A.  The woman I intended to see, lets call her “Brick [snip]house” was unavailable for 3 days according to her sister.  Ok no problem I began selecting some girls I would like to meet at LE.  Of course several of my choices were “Unavailable” “Unreachable” or some other excuse, again no problem that was expected.  The fact was that there were several that were available and I went out with 2 in particular that were worthwhile.  Had a great time with “The Supermodel” and “Serious sexy girl”.

Here is the long and short of it.  â€œThe Supermodel” wants to come back with me.  She looks incredible 19yrs 6 feet tall a lot of fun.  The big problem is it felt too much like a stripper experience.  Not real.  I could do no wrong with her.    I am convinced I am being played for a fool and besides she wants to model I want a stay at home mom first and at most a part-time working wife.   The “Serious Sexy Girl” I should have seen more but due to scheduling issues she ended up on the short end of the stick, so to speak.  Jury is still out on her. I will try email with her.  
Eventually went out with the “Brick [snip]house” had a very good time but she irritated me by standing me up the following day.  She had a good reason but I really did not get a chance get to know her any better on this trip.  She was my number 1 option pre trip but now I consider her a long shot.  

As for me I was happy that I was able to go out with the girls and communicate very basically in Spanish.  That was a huge.  I am going to continue working hard on becoming more and more fluent.  My next trip I intend to see a few more girls then I usually see.  One thing I want to nip in the bud is looking the always looking for a little more.  None of these women are perfect but I have had some good ones that I have let go before giving them a real chance.  I believe I am closer now to finding what I want but as of now I have little tangible to show for it.

I was very happy with All Colombian Girls (ACG).  I utilized them on my last night for a room and it was 50 bones and real nice. Very close to Chipe Chape.  ACG had four secretaries in that office that worked there asses off for me and I did not even have to pay them for the service. Next trip for me will be in 3 months or so.  I will probably utilize ACG.

Analysis of LE.  
LE charges about the same as other agencies. They are located very close to Chipe Chape.  The room was nice enough although the shower was cold.  The swimming pool was clean and perfect, breakfast was tasty and filling in the morning.  Margeth attempted to make us comfortable.  Here are the problems with LE the way I see it.
 
#1 The secretary needed to be on the ball more.  As a customer who was present in Cali I would expect to be the number 1 priority, time was short for me.  A secretary playing solitaire on the computer, answering emails, responding to criticism on Gringos.Com. before taking care of me is a problem.   I often felt like I was last on the list of importance.  This was the biggest problem for me.  

#2  Phone system was very poor at the house.  One phone and no ability to call cell phones when Margeth was not present which was a lot of the time.  This cost me a lot of time and missed connections.  You would think that an agency would have this covered.  I could not have been the first customer with this problem.  I would have been willing to pay for minutes or do whatever it took to make the calls.  Later in the trip I bought my own cell phone to correct this issue.  

#3  LE seemed more interested in advancing their agenda at times than they did mine.  For example:  I am talking to a woman who I am very interested in on the balcony.  I am bothered, (Scorned) rather rudely 2 times for not going in and meeting all the girls at the party.  I am not interested in meeting all the girls at the party and I am not interested in speaking publicly.  I was amazed at the nerve and manner in which I was approached about this.  I did not go in and was unhappy with the whole episode.   :evil:

#4 LE has a rule about no girls in the guys room.  I did not know this but found out later in quite a scene. I will not go into that but I will say that I do not like that rule.  In band camp it is a good rule but not in this venue.  Whatever I respected the rule after I found out the hard way.

#5 Some further deception was pulled but I will keep that to myself for now.    :arrow:  

Overall LE did have some very attractive girls and seemed to care a bit more about the integrity of the girls than other agencies.  Perhaps you are less likely to have low class girls and/or prostitutes.  Margeth had some excellent advice which was helpful but LE is just not quite what I need in an agency.  There was one last girl I wanted to see from the agency next trip and we will see if this report negatively impacts my ability to obtain an outing with her.   :x

That’s the way I saw it guys.  This is a process and I am enjoying it, perhaps next trip will bring me something to wrap myself around. :lol:

Fathertime

[ColombiaExpert]

Excellent trip report, FatherTime.  What are you doing between trips to improve your Spanish?

I laughed (with you, not at you) about the LE secretary.  Most agency secretaries fit your description - immature, irresponsible, etc.  I think that there's a secret laboratory somewhere in rural Colombia where they clone agency secretaries that fit your description of the LE secretary.

Could you expand on this?

Some further deception was pulled but I will keep that to myself for now.

Not surprising.  Margareth has a well-established reputation as one of the dishonest agency owners.  LE is one of the oldest agencies in Colombia, and many American men have been duped by Margareth.

I'm glad you had fun.  Try to extend your next stay in Colombia.

[fathertime]

CE.  
 To improve my spanish I have been working with a private tutor that was a teacher at Berlitz school.  I am going to continue with that and hopefully enroll in the community college Spanish 2 (Super condensed version, done in 6 weeks) starting Feb 24.  Lots of work but worth it I believe.  After my second trip I started to believe this trip should not be done without knowing  a lot of spanish.  Now I believe I will have to be fluent for me to make this work.  

Yeah that secretary was young and maybe just does not realize how insulting her behavior was.  When I  feel uncomfortable  asking for a phone call than there is a problem.  I had little time and spent $ to have things coordinated for me.  I came very close to losing my cool and does not happen very often for me.  Instead I dove into the pool for a morning swim.  In regards to Margareth, she actually is a very nice, and respectable person from what I gathered BUT she is in charge of a  business and wants us guys to come over and I believe they do what they have to do get us.  In my case I really did know what to expect but the Newbies on this trip were surprised.  

Still won't comment on that one item but somewhere down the road I am sure I will.  It is not that big a deal anyway.

Fathertime

[utopiacowboy]

"Now I believe I will have to be fluent for me to make this work." That's a tall order. I still don't consider myself fluent since I only have command of about 1200 verbs and some experts consider 2000 to be fluency. My wife and I have only communicated in Spanish for the past 3 years.

[Red Clay]

I have never counted the verbs in my vocabulary, but I bet it's nowhere near 1200. I consider my Spanish "functional/conversational", I doubt that I will ever be gramatically perfect.

Nice report, fathertime. Working hard on your Spanish is the right thing to do.

[Beattledog]

I hope that everything works out better for you on your next trip

Beattledog

[fathertime]

Thanks UC and others, I guess by fluent I mean able to carry on a complete conversation.  1200 Verbs would be more than enough to do that. I have a much harder time understanding than I do speaking but that is expected I guess.  I find learning nouns simple so that aspect of learning is going well.  
Fathertime

[Kiltboy1]

Let me ask you a SERIOUS QUESTION

I am going to assume you are above the age of 40 as i pose this question

WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK YOU COULD POSSIBLE HAVE IN COMMON WITH A 19 YEAR OLD WOMAN

I mean come on here. You are just asking for trouble and all of the girls seem to fit the 'MODEL OR HOTTIE"  type. You better have
A) A LOT OF GAME
        and
B) A LOT OF MONEY , to be able to keep a woman like that happy  and with the age difference that much, good luck if you make it past 2 years.

You should be looking at the 28-38 age range. I am not trying to be a DOWNER for you, only trying to make you see that you are going the get BURNED  in the end if these are the woman you go after

KB

[fathertime]

Hello Kiltboy,
Actually I am 37.  Generally speaking 19 is too young for me and I will not be pursuing this woman for other reasons which are probably related to being only 19.  I do believe a younger woman with a child COULD be able to relate enough with me but generally speaking I like the age of 21-29 better, give or take.  
Insofar as game and money.  I believe I have enough of both to make them non issues but if I have to use too much of either than forget it.  I don't need that kind of hassle.
I do appreaciate your comments and always can use a reminder in that respect.
Fathertime

[ColombiaExpert]

Let me ask you a SERIOUS QUESTION

I am going to assume you are above the age of 40 as i pose this question

WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU THINK YOU COULD POSSIBLE HAVE IN COMMON WITH A 19 YEAR OLD WOMAN

I mean come on here. You are just asking for trouble and all of the girls seem to fit the 'MODEL OR HOTTIE"  type. You better have
A) A LOT OF GAME
        and
B) A LOT OF MONEY , to be able to keep a woman like that happy  and with the age difference that much, good luck if you make it past 2 years.

You should be looking at the 28-38 age range. I am not trying to be a DOWNER for you, only trying to make you see that you are going the get BURNED  in the end if these are the woman you go after

KB

This is the thinking of a typical emasculated American male.

FatherTime is 37.  Depending on his looks and personality, he can successfully date - and marry - 18 year old Colombian models.  And he does not need an agency to do it.  In fact, he would do better without an agency.

Colombian men that are 37 marry women that are 18 years old all the time.  Colombian men are the bottom of the barrel.  American men are the top of the food chain.

It is pathetic to see American men like KiltBoy spewing exactly what American feminists have trained them to think.

[ColombiaExpert]

FatherTime

You are on the right track because you recognize how important Spanish ability is.  It's easy to get laid without Spanish, but marriage would be difficult without it.

Your Spanish ability will explode as soon as you master all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.  Verb acquisition is as easy as noun acquisition if you have mastered all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.

And do not lower your expectations.  You are the top of the food chain.

[Kiltboy1]

Clombian expert my assss

you are the [snip]. While the age difference is very workable in colombia , it is much more difficult here and that was my point. Get you MOF head out of you ass, You do not know what you are taliing about and an expert you most certainly ase not !
If i lived in colombia, i could have any woman i wanted, but here in america there are a lot of oportunities that a young, inmature woman will take advantage of and that is where the age difference will matter. YOU ARE A FRIGEN IDIOT DUDE

[fathertime]

CE
Thanks for the input on the verbs.  I may change my approach to learning them and just take a look at all tenses up front just so I recognize what tense is being spoken.  Of course for now I usually speak in present tense only while I am at this level.  
Thanks
Fathertime

[ColombiaExpert]

Clombian expert my assss

you are the [snip]. While the age difference is very workable in colombia , it is much more difficult here and that was my point. Get you MOF head out of you ass, You do not know what you are taliing about and an expert you most certainly ase not !
If i lived in colombia, i could have any woman i wanted, but here in america there are a lot of oportunities that a young, inmature woman will take advantage of and that is where the age difference will matter. YOU ARE A FRIGEN IDIOT DUDE

I'm not familiar with the following words in the above post:

Clombian
taliing
ase
oportunities
inmature

Does somebody know what language this guy is speaking?  It's not English or Spanish....

[Malandro]

FatherTime

You are on the right track because you recognize how important Spanish ability is.  It's easy to get laid without Spanish, but marriage would be difficult without it.

Your Spanish ability will explode as soon as you master all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.  Verb acquisition is as easy as noun acquisition if you have mastered all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.

And do not lower your expectations.  You are the top of the food chain.

translate this for us.  Yo soy un negro bruto.

[jediknight]

"Colombian men that are 37 marry women that are 18 years old all the time. Colombian men are the bottom of the barrel. American men are the top of the food chain.

It is pathetic to see American men like KiltBoy spewing exactly what American feminists have trained them to think."

While it is very true that a 37 year old American in great shape with a stellar personality can easily get and marry an 18 year  model, this DOES NOT make it a wise move. most, if not all 18 year olds have no idea what they want or would make good candidates for long term relationships. a woman this young will more likely leave you once she gets here, learns more about her options and sees that she has more choices. a woman that is mature...say 25, 26  and above will have a better sense of what she wants and i feel will be more committed to a long term relationship. i would suggest going for the late 20 year olds and keeping the age difference between 10-15 years. they are still very hot and you'll have a better chance of finding someone who'll stay with you for the long haul. the goal is not to marry the hottest or youngest woman, it should be to marry the one who will stay with you when the going gets tough, when you put on a few pounds, when you start losing your hair and begin growing it on your ass and out of your ears.
JK

[ColombiaExpert]

FatherTime

You are on the right track because you recognize how important Spanish ability is.  It's easy to get laid without Spanish, but marriage would be difficult without it.

Your Spanish ability will explode as soon as you master all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.  Verb acquisition is as easy as noun acquisition if you have mastered all of the ways in which verbs are conjugated in Spanish.

And do not lower your expectations.  You are the top of the food chain.

translate this for us.  Yo soy un negro bruto.

Hhmmmm...that's a real tough one, but I'll try:

Dennis is a stupid [snip].

Am I right, Malandro?  I need your help on this one.

[Malandro]

no, I don't think so.

Negro doesn't mean [snip].

try translating your post in the quote.

do you know what a "girafa" is??

[fathertime]

Jedi,  generally speaking I agree with ya about the age difference.  I generally try to look at 22 and up but on occasion a 19 year old slips in.  In this case I guess the lack of maturity showed and although a great time was had by all it does not mean I would marry her.  My favorite age right now is 23.  For some reason it seems all my best candidates are 23.   I had a long marriage to an 18 year old here in the states and although it ended it was not due to a lack of maturity on her part so if you pick the right one that is the most important thing.  
Thanks for imput
Fathertime

[Montrealer]

I don't know about the age gap.  I am only 28 and I felt a little iffy about my now fiancee who is only 22.  I think once you are over 30, the women you date should be over 25, and at 40 it should be about 30.  Although there are circumstances where a large age gap doesn't matter, I think the common intrests would be a little too scattered.  Such as:

Music - you like Rolling Stones, she likes Brittney Spears

Saturday Night - you like to go out to certain clubs, she likes to go to the clubs where they don't allow older guys into

Communication - You talk about politics, she asks "what's a politic?"

And so on.

But if you can both see past these types of issues, then go for it.  But you can never say to her that she is inmature, because you knew of the risks beforehand.  Also, don't try to make her mature faster or take intrest in things she doesn't like, because that may ruin some of the best years of her life.

But, if it feels right, then go for it.  I certainly wish you and her or any other in your life all the best.

[fathertime]

Oh Sweet Jesus man, I don’t know where you came up with those age differences. I will must likely will go for someone in their 20’s with a child but I think your perspective about ages needs some more seasoning.  I want a woman who motivates me to be the best man I can be. Whatever age she happens to be I will figure out who she is and she will stay with me because if I am the best man I can be she won’t want to go elsewhere.  My point is if a woman leaves me it is because I let it happen.  At my age and after 3 visits to Colombia I think I have a good handle on what age will work for me.  Also remember this old boy: Age is a state of mind.
See ya Polar Bear
Fathertime

[Montrealer]

I want a woman who motivates me to be the best man I can be. Whatever age she happens to be I will figure out who she is and she will stay with me because if I am the best man I can be she won’t want to go elsewhere. My point is if a woman leaves me it is because I let it happen.

I couldn't agree more.  The issue of getting a wife and keeping a wife are two different things.  Keeping is always the harder of the two.  And it is yours and her job to make it happen.  If you and her put in the effort, then you should have very minimal issues with the age gap.  I was speaking of a more general concept and the troubles that could be in front of you.

At my age and after 3 visits to Colombia I think I have a good handle on what age will work for me. Also remember this old boy: Age is a state of mind.

If you feel confident of what age is right for you, then go for it.  Age is definately a state of mind.  Because of the way I look, people often think I am older than 28, but once they get to know me, they realize my true age.  BTW, I'm not an old boy, lol.

Again, I was only speaking about general issues that may come up.  It wasn't an attack.  Just legitimate concerns.

Just a question, why do you think you will go for someone in there 20's with a child?  Why wouldn't you prefer a woman without children and have some of your own?  I hope that's not too personal, if it is, then ignore.

[ColombiaExpert]

See ya Polar Bear

Malandro

I found the humor that you've been looking for.

[Malandro]

"Polar bear" means [snip] in Eskimo-Aleut.

[fathertime]

Yo Polar bear,
Girls in the early 20’s I find most attractive generally.  Many of them have a child and I am ok with that.  I hope it will add maturity and balance since I have children of my own.  Insofar as having further children with my Latina woman, of course I would have some more with her if it is right.  
I was not offended by your comments. I just felt like giving you some crap man.  I like your story and am curious to see how it ends up.  I voted on the poll that it would fail just to be a dick but frankly I am hoping you pull it out.  
See ya young man
Old Fathertime