Syria....here we go again...

[Researcher]

If you listen to The Dark Secret Place (podcasts), you would have seen this coming weeks ago.  No surprise.

Thanks for the link. It is interesting. I really haven't been keeping up with the situation until now.

[V_Man]

Ray, just out of curiousity, in your opinion:
1. What was the goal of the war in Iraq?
2. Was this goal achieved?

I just want to understand your rationale better.

[Ray]

Ray, just out of curiousity, in your opinion:
1. What was the goal of the war in Iraq?
2. Was this goal achieved?

I just want to understand your rationale better.

Why do you libs always try to change the subject?
 
Start a new thread...this one is about Syria.
 
 

[V_Man]

What's a lib?
Is lib = Liberal?

Why does Ray seem equate "Liberal" with "Left"? Is that generally accepted terminology in the USA? Liberal is Left? Really? 

Another question.
If, as Ray implies,  I'm on the Left, where does that place all the real Left of center types? Does that make the left of center extremists?

If the left of centre are extremists, where does that put the feminists, greenies and socialists? Are they another species? You know, I always suspected they were genetically deficient.

If they are another species, then does that make the average communist an alien invader?

If communists are alien invaders, then are Maoists, the Khmer Rouge and the Shinning path, alien special forces? It would explain a lot.

Only thing is, if the left extremists are really alien special forces, then how come they have crap technology? How did they get to earth with crap technology? 

[Ray]

 
Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist

Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
 
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
 
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
 
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
 
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
 
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
 
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
 
* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
* satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
* augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
* rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
 
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

[V_Man]

OK so serious question:
In the USA  "Liberal" = left of center in politics?

Why do you call them "Liberal"? What's liberal about the Left?

Surely an oxymoron, no?

“Like spoiled, angry children, [liberals] rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

It's right there in that sentance. They are refered to as liberal yet defined as the exact opposite.

Why do you call them Liberals? 

Is this some sort of cunning plan to attack the left with a dose of it's own double speak?

[Researcher]

OK so serious question:
In the USA  "Liberal" = left of center in politics?

Why do you call them "Liberal"? What's liberal about the Left?

Surely an oxymoron, no?

“Like spoiled, angry children, [liberals] rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

It's right there in that sentance. They are refered to as liberal yet defined as the exact opposite.

Why do you call them Liberals? 

Is this some sort of cunning plan to attack the left with a dose of it's own double speak?

Liberals were "liberal" years ago but now they have gone full retard and it just isn't working. During the 60's liberal movement at least there was sex, drugs and good music. Today the Progressive Liberal movement is just lame. They just sound like a bunch of screechy monkeys.

[V_Man]

Yeah I am familiar with that oxymoron: the left referring to themselves as Progressive - as in socially progressive - when the reality is the exact opposite.

Here Liberals are on the right where they belong but thanks for the explanation of USA usage.

[Ray]

 
Now, instead of a Republican response to Obama's policy speaches, we have the Russian pig Putin publishing his response in the NY Times?
 
This little incompetent A-hole Obama is making us the laughing stock of the world. But then maybe that is Obama's intention all along? 
 
I predict that the Obama/Kerry/Hillary team will go down in history as the most incompetent bunch of foreign policy idiots ever. They lie, they vacilate, they bumble, they cowar in fear, they can't even get their shyt straight between themselves...
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Researcher]

Now, instead of a Republican response to Obama's policy speaches, we have the Russian pig Putin publishing his response in the NY Times?
 
This little incompetent A-hole Obama is making us the laughing stock of the world. But then maybe that is Obama's intention all along? 
 
I predict that the Obama/Kerry/Hillary team will go down in history as the most incompetent bunch of foreign policy idiots ever. They lie, they vacilate, they bumble, they cowar in fear, they can't even get their shyt straight between themselves...
 
 
Ray

I'm loving it. I believe that Obama and the Prog's are paving the way for the next Conservative Republican president to easily get elected. I don't think the majority of the American people are buying the liberal garbage and are getting tired of it. It is history repeating. I think there will be a strong Conservative leader step up and easily get elected.

[Researcher]

hehehe! no one saw Ronald Reagan coming either....history repeating, history repeating.

[robert angel]

Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist

Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
 
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
 
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
 
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
 
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
 
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
 
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
 
* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
* satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
* augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
* rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
 
“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”

This guy would've fit right in during the mid 1930's in Germany!

[Calipro]

No you fu#king parasite with a big mouth, I am exactly what is right with the country.  I start businesses, and employ people that pay the taxes that pay your measly enlisted retirement while you sit around on your azz and insult people, and collect your check every month.  I've risked millions of dollars to go into business over the years.  What did you do.....go and just sign up??   Without us, you wouldn't have your check every month.... Hey dumbsh#t you have to get along with all types of people to stay in business, and keep employing people.  It's called serving the customer, and you get paid for it.  You can disagree with people without making yourself look like a complete ass, and turning them off to new ideas.  Hating on the gays, lesbians, and all the others on your list is sick and disgusting.  When I lived in Costa Rica, there were alot of hateful dirt bags just like you down there that had given up on the US.  I think you should go down there because you would fit right in. 
 
You are an embarrassment to military veterans with your cowardly insults behind the keyboard.  Now I don't even believe that you were in the military anymore.   You're just an internet name in cyberspace.  I have had, and have good friends in the military over the years...navy seals, a navy Admiral that I flew with, a submarine commander, and others, and I've never seen a creep like you in the military.   But those guys were officers and I suspect none would give you the time of day.  None of those honorable guys blabbed about "risking their lives every day for 20 years" Love to hear you say that to one of my Navy Seal friends.  I think they would laugh their ass off to hear you bragging about "risking your life". You should stop telling people that you were in the military because you're embarrassing yourself and the others.
 
You say you stand up for something?  Sorry but you are just like a mangy old dog out in the front yard barking at cars going by.  Thanks to dick he#ds like you, over half the country will be again voting democrat.
 
Now what are you doing today to contribute?  Eating, [snip]t#ng, and sitting around bitter?  I'm going to go to work, make some money, and pay some taxes, so that the country can make an installment payment on the Iraq war, and all the ludicrous "nation building" that Bush wasted trillions on.  Now I'll even have to start paying taxes on Obamacare because the Republicans put this guy in office.

Chris Christie for president !


But first he'll have to get past the hate filled Republicans in the primary that won't be able to vote for him after they see the ads of him walking hand in hand with Obama on the Jersey shoreline assessing the hurricane damage. LMAO !

In the past six elections (1992-2012) Democrats won the popular vote 5 times and Republicans only once.And they still aren't even close to wising up. Republicans = Whigs

[Ray]

Chris Christie?
 
Hell yes, I'll vote for him!
 
At least he has the guts to stand up for what he believes in, and he knows when to tell a liberal to go to hell, unlike some of the other pandering cowards around here...   
 
 
Ray
 
 

[Calipro]

Chris Christie?
 
Hell yes, I'll vote for him!
 
At least he has the guts to stand up for what he believes in, and he knows when to tell a liberal to go to hell, unlike some of the other pandering cowards around here...  
 
 
Ray

Just the kind of rhetoric from Christie supporters that will cost him the general election if by some miracle he was actually nominated. jajaja


If the  Republican party let Christie define the issues and speak his own mind he would give Hillary a serious challenge....he has a 63 percent approval rating in one of the bluest states on the map because he rejects "hate speak".

[Bob_S]

The fight between Ray and JWR and assiciated comments have been split from this topic and moved to the Asian Flame room.  I left the comments about Chris Christie even though they are somewhat tangential to the original topic but still mostly civil.


~Mod Bob

[Researcher]

The situation with Syria confirms my beliefs about Obama. I am an Independent voter and look at the candidate, not the party. I never considered voting for Obama because of one main reason: He has no experience as a leader. It really shows with the crisis in Syria and how he has bungled it. Even the liberal media, who has been his propaganda machine, can't even spin this positive. I'm sure they will try though. I look forward to the 2016 elections just because we will be getting rid of this useless president.

[bcc_1_2]

The situation with Syria confirms my beliefs about Obama. I am an Independent voter and look at the candidate, not the party. I never considered voting for Obama because of one main reason: He has no experience as a leader. It really shows with the crisis in Syria and how he has bungled it. Even the liberal media, who has been his propaganda machine, can't even spin this positive. I'm sure they will try though. I look forward to the 2016 elections just because we will be getting rid of this useless president.

Neither Obama nor Romney where going to really slice into wasteful spending nor lower my taxes so voting didn't get me excited either way. Farm subsidies weren't going anywhere... wasteful defense spending not going anywhere... giving money to countries that hate us... not going anywhere. But on foreign policy Obama has earned his stripes. His leadership got the perpetrator of 911 shot in the face repeatedly. If he pulls a bunch of weapons from Syria that will be another foreign policy victory. George Bush's ego was huge which is a pretty big problem when you are wrong so often on international affairs. I'm impressed that Obama's ego isn't involved in this. So what if Putin got something published in the paper... who really cares.
The reality is Obama got Russia and Syria to admit something they were not admitting... Syria has weapons of mass destruction. That was something Saddam never admitted to... because granted he didn't have any... but if Obama wants to start firing he has Syria and Russia on the record.

[Ray]

Neither Obama nor Romney where going to really slice into wasteful spending nor lower my taxes so voting didn't get me excited either way. Farm subsidies weren't going anywhere... wasteful defense spending not going anywhere... giving money to countries that hate us... not going anywhere. But on foreign policy Obama has earned his stripes. His leadership got the perpetrator of 911 shot in the face repeatedly. If he pulls a bunch of weapons from Syria that will be another foreign policy victory. George Bush's ego was huge which is a pretty big problem when you are wrong so often on international affairs. I'm impressed that Obama's ego isn't involved in this. So what if Putin got something published in the paper... who really cares.
The reality is Obama got Russia and Syria to admit something they were not admitting... Syria has weapons of mass destruction. That was something Saddam never admitted to... because granted he didn't have any... but if Obama wants to start firing he has Syria and Russia on the record.

Haven't you been watching your favorite cable channel, MSNBC, lately? Even the butt-lickers over there are mocking Obama's leadership skills, or the lack thereof, on Syria.
 
Don't worry though...Obama won't start firing at Syria because he doesn't have the balls.
 
And who cares if Putin bitch-slapped Obama in front of the world? Putin does, of course.
 
Now Putin is making his play for the dominant player in the middle east, along with his butt-buddy, Iran.
 
Soon, Russia will be in a perfect position to control the oil flow from the Gulf, which is exactly what Putin wants. And Obama is facilitating that goals. If you don't care, that's fine, but some day soon you probably will. 
 
 
That's my opinion...
 
 
Ray
 

[Researcher]

Neither Obama nor Romney where going to really slice into wasteful spending nor lower my taxes so voting didn't get me excited either way. Farm subsidies weren't going anywhere... wasteful defense spending not going anywhere... giving money to countries that hate us... not going anywhere. But on foreign policy Obama has earned his stripes. His leadership got the perpetrator of 911 shot in the face repeatedly. If he pulls a bunch of weapons from Syria that will be another foreign policy victory. George Bush's ego was huge which is a pretty big problem when you are wrong so often on international affairs. I'm impressed that Obama's ego isn't involved in this. So what if Putin got something published in the paper... who really cares.
The reality is Obama got Russia and Syria to admit something they were not admitting... Syria has weapons of mass destruction. That was something Saddam never admitted to... because granted he didn't have any... but if Obama wants to start firing he has Syria and Russia on the record.

Nah, Obama is a complete foreign policy failure. Getting OBL was a no brainer, any president would have done that. obama's "red line " nonsense is an embarrassment and now he has gone crawling to Putin to bail him out. Bengazi was a complete disaster that he tried to cover up. He is in over his head with foreign policy and he has zero plan to try and improve the economy. It seems to me he doesn't want the job. He enjoys the prestige and wants to leave a legacy as the first black president but as far as actually leading the country he doesn't seem to want the job. The US will be better off once it is over the notion of having the first black president and can elect someone who can actually lead.

[fathertime]

Our brave young military men shed blood and risk life long injuries/death, for what I see as a treasonous government...that goes against the will of the people and uses our tax money to do things like fight foreign wars and misuse technology to spy on friendly nations, instead of securing the border, putting more into education, taking care of the injured, and paying down our debt....it is all disgusting...our list of enemies is getting longer not shorter and they will nip at our heals any way they can going forward.


Fathertime! 

[JWR]

Exactly......and it's been that way for a long, long time.  There are alot of really smart people in this country on both sides.  It would be great to have someone completely new .  The astronomical costs of the elections keep the choices limited, and promote so much corruption in the system.  Without campaign reform things won't change.


God have we had enough Clinton's and Bushes already??  The President ought to be drafted.  We pick someone really smart, and they get a letter to report to duty.  Of course I'm not serious but there just has to be a better way to get someone brighter in office.  Obama was a dope smoker and drug user, and Bush was a drunk.  That's pretty low standards for the highest office.

Our brave young military men shed blood and risk life long injuries/death, for what I see as a treasonous government...that goes against the will of the people and uses our tax money to do things like fight foreign wars and misuse technology to spy on friendly nations, instead of securing the border, putting more into education, taking care of the injured, and paying down our debt....it is all disgusting...our list of enemies is getting longer not shorter and they will nip at our heals any way they can going forward.


Fathertime!

[Bob_S]

Now, this is just my little ol' humble opinion, but I think one of the reasons we choose foreign brides is because on some level, consciously or unconsciously, we realize there is something wrong with what our country has become and are seeking to link ourselves to something different, maybe better in some ways.  I would have no problem spending my retirement years in my wife's country, even her tiny backwater hometown (like many here have done).  And if I had the career skills to make as much there as I can here, I would have us pack up and move tomorrow (as so many here have done as well, for which I envy you).

[bcc_1_2]

Nah, Obama is a complete foreign policy failure. Getting OBL was a no brainer,

In the interest of fairness that is not true. This was very much debated, In the primary Obama was lectured on it even by Joe Biden. Biden was against going in. John McCain was firmly against as well. He said it multiple times on national tv. So had the election gone to another democrat or republican we can't say it was a no brainer because they would have been against doing what Obama did. This is an example of giving credit where it is due.

As a believer in individual liberty and freedom I find my social policies lining up with Obama... fiscally is where the issues come in. Syria is a mess and Obama is doing fine. Assad is a bastard and some of the rebels are extremists. As long as we don't invade I say let Obama play it how he likes.

[Researcher]

In the interest of fairness that is not true. This was very much debated, In the primary Obama was lectured on it even by Joe Biden. Biden was against going in. John McCain was firmly against as well. He said it multiple times on national tv. So had the election gone to another democrat or republican we can't say it was a no brainer because they would have been against doing what Obama did. This is an example of giving credit where it is due.

As a believer in individual liberty and freedom I find my social policies lining up with Obama... fiscally is where the issues come in. Syria is a mess and Obama is doing fine. Assad is a bastard and some of the rebels are extremists. As long as we don't invade I say let Obama play it how he likes.

Believe what you want this decision was a no brainer. There was tons of intelligence gathered on bin laden long before Obama took office. This was an on going hunt that would have eventually turned him up. Of course Obama wants credit for it because it wasn't a disaster. If the mission had been a complete failure Obama would have played the blame game or dummied up like he did with Benghazi.

Obama is going to have a tough time getting away from drawing the "red line". He had to eat those words and now is suffering the embarrassment. He tried to deny he ever drew his red line but people know better and it is so ridiculous to deny that even his media lap dogs have jumped ship. Obama isn't a leader. The sooner he is out of office the better.