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Those were brave guys. What a terrible tragedy.

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Be it in the name of patriotism or not, I can't see the sense in risking human lives to "show the colors--flag."  Not a lot of info on this as of the last day or so, but there have to be other ways--cables, counterweights
& mechanisms to do this.

I've seen our USA Military display fighter jets flying at super high speeds inches apart and a couple feet above the ground, I've seen soldiers jump from thousands of feet high and only open their parachutes milliseconds before they'd otherwise die (makes it harder for the enemy to detect/shoot them) and other wild stuff, but I can't help but think some senior officers probably made very bad decisions that resulted in these two soldiers deaths.
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Hanging guys from a helicopter with a rope isnt rocket science. I have been rescued off a mountain and had the same type of ride. This is a routine procedure. There should be virtually no risk involved.


Either sabatoge or someone Foched up big time-

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Hanging guys from a helicopter with a rope isnt rocket science. I have been rescued off a mountain and had the same type of ride. This is a routine procedure. There should be virtually no risk involved.


Either sabatoge or someone Foched up big time-

I’m thinking the latter. Routine is the mother of all accidents. I’ve worked in Colombia. That laid back, live for the moment Siestaville approach to life is great for stress management, but they’re notoriously nonchalant in dangerous situations when they’ve become accustomed to them. Safety Managers on rigs in the U.S. are often disliked by ruff necks because they’re such sticklers for rules that don’t always appear to be important on the surface. It was always different in Latin America from my experience. They were just one of the guys. I have never seen or heard of as many accidents as I did while working there though. Some deadly. A guy losing a finger or shattering his fibula on a rig doesn’t even make the company newsletter down there.
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Exp did you reimburse the rescue entity for the cost of your retieval?

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I’m thinking the latter. Routine is the mother of all accidents. I’ve worked in Colombia. That laid back, live for the moment Siestaville approach to life is great for stress management, but they’re notoriously nonchalant in dangerous situations when they’ve become accustomed to them. Safety Managers on rigs in the U.S. are often disliked by ruff necks because they’re such sticklers for rules that don’t always appear to be important on the surface. It was always different in Latin America from my experience. They were just one of the guys. I have never seen or heard of as many accidents as I did while working there though. Some deadly. A guy losing a finger or shattering his fibula on a rig doesn’t even make the company newsletter down there.

I dont know..the rock climbing guides I have been with are mostly very competent and safety conscience. Of course I know how to separate the wheat from the chaffe and know enough myself to know what is dangerous and what isnt.
The  second quide I had recently in Spain was more risk averse and a bit crazy..he was UIAGM internationally qualified. I liked him a lot.
I would NEVER go tandem paragliding in Colombia though

Same with many of the doctors and surgeons..though most of ones I have used were trained internationally.

I agree with you on the HSE requirements of the multinationals in the oil industry though  having worked for Exxon  BG and Shell all over the world vs Micky Mouse independents.

In this case I heard the cord was cut  indicating sabatoge..and not someone forgetting to lock or cross_loading a carabiner

But the cutting and sabatoge scenario came up on Minutos30 website, which is not that reputable, and has not been confirmed
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Exp did you reimburse the rescue entity for the cost of your retieval?

Nope..why would I? It was in a BC Provincial Park and rescues are not chargeable.

Besides that my guide and I both had emergency evacuation and medical insurance so we were covered in any event. But they never asked   as it is a free emergency service in parts of BC and  all the Rocky Mountain part of Alberta, just like STAR ambulance helicopter rescue on remote highwayz for car crashes is covered.

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Nope..why would I? It was in a BC Provincial Park and rescues are not chargeable.

Besides that my guide and I both had emergency evacuation and medical insurance so we were covered in any event. But they never asked   as it is a free emergency service in parts of BC and  all the Rocky Mountain part of Alberta, just like STAR ambulance helicopter rescue on remote highways for car crashes is covered.

But like I said..I always get emergency medical and evacuation insurance for all my activities no matter where I go.


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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2019, 08:26:08 AM »
Haven't seen anything about an investigation into these two soldier's plumetting from a helicopter deaths, but recently 4 more soldier's died at the hands of a drug cartel.


For over 4 years, the Colombians supposedly have had well over twice as many soldiers going after the ring leader than they did going after Escobar. I'd guess he's paying off even more people


Elements of this look so familiar....


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-49577670


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-32014665



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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2019, 03:44:31 PM »
Why is this site so damn dead?
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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2019, 06:13:55 PM »
Probably because Awesome left and Hector is the only one actively seeking. Ricardo is still active in Cali and gets some pretty good looking girls on his allcolombian girls website.

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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2019, 07:13:22 PM »
Why is this site so damn dead?
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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2019, 08:49:21 PM »
Fellas, my posts are obviously all over the place. I don't do face book, as I'd get too annoyed by all the BS--no use me going there and getting pissed off.

Not giving up on PL yet, but do you guys know any other websites, blogs, 'vehicles' where posts about travel, women and just about life in general might generate some interest?

Thanks in advance....
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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2019, 06:19:10 PM »
Problem is Facebook has taken over the world and most of what you're looking for (and the rest of us too) can now pretty much only be found there. It's a real bummer. I hope this site stays up despite low traffic, what is it , about twenty years old now?

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Re: two soldiers die from helicopter at end of the Medellin flower festival, sad.
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2019, 09:33:29 PM »
Problem is Facebook has taken over the world and most of what you're looking for (and the rest of us too) can now pretty much only be found there. It's a real bummer. I hope this site stays up despite low traffic, what is it , about twenty years old now?

Amen. I am resistant, even antagonistic with just about every place I go online, annoyed with  them 'front loading' what THEY think I should see, wanting to link me or refuse access if I don't use fb, twitter or gmail as the portal to get in.

Hate having my phone's location on and some site/s wanting to know how I enjoyed Aldo's Pizzeria or some such thing/place.

Annoyed I have never done fb, but if I want to buy something for myself, or a gift for her, products I looked at show up on her fb page--we use the same router.

Even google ' incognito' browser page is NOT nearly as incognito as people think. Read the small print...

I mean, leave my daily life, preferences, habits and privacy alone, but continue to let me and other citizens to have venues to speak, research and share, without mandatory membership restrictions otherwise blocking me.

Guess I'm kinda what like Groucho Marx said:

"I don’t care to belong to any club that will have me as a member."

Change 'have me' to  basically 'forcing my hand' to join or risk being somewhat  a hermit or dinosaur..

That's not to say young people are as enamored of fb as before or that it's forever.

One of my sons is as active and normal a college (UGA!) Senior as you're likely to meet. He graduates this December, has an interview with google for his 1st post college job and he almost never messes with fb, and  just occasionally uses Instagram.

Beyond professional usage, he sees it as a shallow, vain ocean of poser wannabees.

He knows I find the google experience to be bad and getting worse month by month, but when I asked him "Who scares you the most, Google (Alphabet) or Microsoft?"

He replied "No Dad--It's Jeff Bezos, Amazon--they control the CLOUD"

They control more of the cloud than everyone else put together. Once they have their 3426 satellites orbiting planet earth via their Blue Origin space program (Elon Musk's SpaceX  also plans on launching 3426) there won't be a place on earth they can't reach, dictating access, content and price to commerce/political/media content.

Think about it.

Just as for centuries military history has taught repeatedly: He who holds the high ground wins the day" --I predict orbital space dominance will do the same for corporations.

And Govts like the USA, Russia and China CAN'T compete, can't afford such plans. SpaceX and Blue Origin launch most of THEIR satellites already.

And Amazon controls most of the US Govts cloud storage/access.

Bad enough companies like fb/google run rampant over consumer and internet access, but they buy out new companies, and not just big outfits like whatsapp, Instagram etc. Google does it. Verizon is running a similar game.

As the malls killed main street mom and pop owned shopping experiences, Amazon is killing the malls. Wait and see, or just ask Sears.

I'm not begging govt 'big brother' not pushing for making internet access, say to people at work, illegal, but do you ever wonder:

How much work productivity is lost to people twittering (on their own private phones) their work days away on social, entertainment and porn apps?

Sure 48 states are pressing for govt action stopping monopolization like corporate behavior by fb and google but the smartest minds say at best they might be 'dialed back' a bit --that they----like those criminals at Bank of America, who were criminally lending sub prime  money, then foreclosing on the victims when the bubble they so much helped create collapsed,  they're now like the US Govt called Bank of America:

--> """Too big to fail."

Fine them, chastise them, but kill them? They dare not!

I want some site that along with  PL, while mainly male focused, isn't stone age, bonehead male focused--not mamby pamby, but not flying off the handle to the left or right of anything, but a venue for "spirited discourse" or questions and commentary. NOT a bunch of sheep.

Don't know much about 'blogging' and while I'm green on knowing about that venue, my wife seems to think that might be a good outlet for my ramblings.

But again, I don't like joining up with stuff and what little I've seen of blogging doesn't seem to have action, reaction--the 'give and take' that PL has..

Suggestions????
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