Think about it. And grow a pair.
Now does that cover your questions Zon?
Recently, there was a separate thread where some objected to me stating that the "value of being a man" was higher in Latin American countries.
Anybody that would argue that point just isn't paying attention....it starts at birth in Colombia....just look at the way they treat their sons compared to their daughters.
If you don't like the way men are depicted in commercials here in the states.....I don't recommend that you watch this movie Hall Pass 2011
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480687/
Took a super hot calena half my age to see it and was never more embarrassed to be an american in my life. I hate movies that show the world just how bad we have it here. jejeje
Who ever wants to gloss over this as NORMAL, is greatly mistaken. I am NOT saying it is right, or wrong ... but, how could anybody say it is not real. You never saw this 20 years ago!
http://www.glennsacks.com/mysterious_decline_where.htm
http://www.cato-unbound.org/2011/08/16/kay-hymowitz/the-decline-of-men-is-a-womens-issue/
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/04/wolcott200804
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/07/the-end-of-men/8135/
Scholarly publications, Washington "think tanks", Right wing media, Left wing media ... it is everywhere. Only those men that LIKE IT, fail to SEE IT.
The big question here is not whether anyone fails to SEE IT but who gives a crap? Really, who gives a crap how men are portayed on television?
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I would not say that the typical Colobmian guy is so "manly" in many respects. Usually they are major mama's boys who cannot even function without a woman taking care of them, many are irresponsible and do not support their own children. And many of them are more fashion conscious and preoccupied with their skinny jeans and hair styles than many of the women I met there.
That being said, I see a bigger problem in States with other issues as mentioned by other posters.
But, who really cares what the reality of the situation in Colombia is.....because after you get her here in the states you'll go from "needy loser" to "freakin genius" overnight..... to your american friends that are getting sex once a month with a rather homely wife and getting disrespected daily by their step children. LOL!!!
But, who really cares what the reality of the situation in Colombia is.....because after you get her here in the states you'll go from "needy loser" to "freakin genius" overnight..... to your american friends that are getting sex once a month with a rather homely wife and getting disrespected daily by their step children. LOL!!!
The biggest reason I don't care is that I found a solution: Marrying a foreign woman! hahaha!Heard dat! (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-happy107.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
"I have no ideal how some of my friends can stand the people they are married to, they just don't know the options or are too frightened to actually consider foreign women."
I beleive there are still strong social pressures in all the Western world discouraging men from outsourcing their marital needs abroad. A guy from a closed small-town society might well fancy the idea but worry about feeling socially isolated once he brings his wife home - he could be labelled by idle talkers as a loser and abuser who cannot find (ergo, put up with) a local woman and consequently be outcast from social events etc. In the cities, thankfully this is less of a problem. Nonetheless, this entire undertaking is not one for those easily influenced by peer or media pressure.
Then, there is the sex for gain inside committed marriages/relationships. Has anyone experienced this; “you’ll get none tonight!” It’s all over the TV and is very inhumane. Emotional violence. But it’s mainstream now. It’s accepted that sex is a commodity to be traded inside committed relationships. Just like the woman kicking the man in the groin is accepted for a laugh.
What it really is is veiled prostitution.
I would have added "kicking and" before screaming in the above post but a fresh roll of duct tape would address both issues.
ZKG, you seem to be arguing that it's fine for a guy to toss his crying, screaming, objecting wife on the bed...
ZKG, you seem to be arguing that it's fine for a guy to toss his crying, screaming, objecting wife on the bed and stick it in her whenever he damn well pleases....I'm not sure how many guys would agree with that...
The first step is to be smart enough to notice. This is not just pop fad like disco.
It benefits a man to look at the depth and scope of the change in first world countries. If you read some of the articles I posted up thread, you see that there is an enrollment gender gap in universities - more women are getting higher education and performing better. You see that the preference / choice of a "girl" rather than a "boy" has flip flopped over the last decade. You see that women, all things being equal, perform better in a "management society". There is also social scientific evidence that even suggests that two women make superior parents as compared to the traditional view of a man and women. Then, there is legal issues favoring women. Taken together, this is not just stuff to be talked about over a beer. These are fundamental social changes occurring largely unnoticed.
To talk about sex's role in all this is only a sub-set.
I am not saying it is right, or wrong, (it is too late for debate) - IT JUST IS.
ZKG,
The statutes you mentioned previously (date rape and marital rape) are usually only dealing with the issue of consent.
If there is someone who is so dead-set against that as it appeared from your prior posts, one would think you would want the consent issue removed, especially in the marital context, thus making non-consensual sex perfectly legal in marriage.
I have a feeling you simply don't know what you're talking about though.
The first step is to be smart enough to notice. This is not just pop fad like disco.
It benefits a man to look at the depth and scope of the change in first world countries. If you read some of the articles I posted up thread, you see that there is an enrollment gender gap in universities - more women are getting higher education and performing better. You see that the preference / choice of a "girl" rather than a "boy" has flip flopped over the last decade. You see that women, all things being equal, perform better in a "management society". There is also social scientific evidence that even suggests that two women make superior parents as compared to the traditional view of a man and women. Then, there is legal issues favoring women. Taken together, this is not just stuff to be talked about over a beer. These are fundamental social changes occurring largely unnoticed.
To talk about sex's role in all this is only a sub-set.
I am not saying it is right, or wrong, (it is too late for debate) - IT JUST IS.
I agree with zon on the idea that these changes are not a fad. The rest of his post is nonsense or shall I say "zonsense"..
CTN wrote what I think may be the most important paragraph in this thread.
“And herein lies the rub. I believe that being a man is about much more than just owning a pair - it's about managing it too. This means standing up to women and telling them the truth when they least want to hear it. This means challenging, ignoring and chastising their infantile, vain, jealous, neurotic, irrational and emotional behaviour as necessary - even when this bestows upon us an air of misogyny. This means ignoring those in the media who belittle us. It means campaigning politically or taking direct action to bring about changes in the legal system to eliminate gender imbalances inspired by misandry. And it means reminding smug Western women who dare to criticise us that it is still our world, it is us who earn the bulk of the money, and it is us who post-1945 are at liberty to decide from where to outsource our emotional/sexual/marital needs without the need to explain it to anyone other than ourselves.”
Men continually cave to women. ... So men, assume your masculinity and do as CTN suggested. Be a manly man not a girly man. Your male and female children will thank you for it. Your woman will thank you. Don’t idly stand by and wait for the next guy to do it while you hold your woman’s hand and chuckle.
Spending the rest of your life challenging the infantile, neurotic, jealous, irrational, and emotional behavior of American women is a form of 'caving in' in itself. In my opinion, it is the worst form of 'caving in' because it means immersing yourself in a cesspool of negative behaviors on both your and the woman's parts!
I have a question for Aconcepts, Zon, Zulu, V_Man, and any other men who complain about American women's behavior toward American men and American society's current treatment of men. Have you thought about going ex-patriot?
Spending the rest of your life challenging the infantile, neurotic, jealous, irrational, and emotional behavior of American women is a form of 'caving in' in itself. In my opinion, it is the worst form of 'caving in' because it means immersing yourself in a cesspool of negative behaviors on both your and the woman's parts!
Why not move to a country or society which treats its men with more dignity and respect, (or at least with the degree of respect you need), and spend your life trying to achieve positive things? The term 'Vote with Your Feet!' was coined for a very good reason.
I agree that behaviour that is "infantile, neurotic, jealous, irrational, and emotional" should ideally be ignored; it may be challenged "economically" only where necessary. After all, we are not life coaches. Although such behaviour may be prevalent among the native Western populations, once the front door is closed it should no longer be an issue assuming a guy knows how to manage both himself and his relationship with his partner, overseas or not.
The issue of abandoning ship and moving overseas is of course a separate one. Some guys already choose to do i for love. But I'm pretty sure this century will also see successive waves of brain drains as the best from the West move to start new lives in various developing countries for reasons of economic prosperity and quality of life. The UK, currently plummeting back into the third world, could lead the way in this exodus; a few West European countries could well follow if the € tanks. The thought of a talent drain taking people away from the US to Latin America or Asia is a bewlidering one to me but, judging from some of the post i read here, perhaps not incredulous.
After all, when you turn up at a party only to find the best girls taken, the food & drink gone, the music rubbish, gatecrashers milling around and the guests becoming increasingly drunk, stoned or edgy... it's time to move on and find a party that's just starting :)
it's time to move on and find a party that's just starting
Hell yeah. I thought that a 6 months there, 6 months here strategy would work. It only wets my appetite. 2012 is going to be much more full time for me.
Hell yeah. I thought that a 6 months there, 6 months here strategy would work. It only wets my appetite. 2012 is going to be much more full time for me.
As long as we tolerate unfairness and allow Fems to dictate the social agenda then we will continue to slide down the slippery slope.
Its easy to make the necessary changes, but many men have "bought in" to the idea of "husband and wife" = "marriage partners" and now promote the core Feminist agenda of partnering.
We must educate and deprogram these guys, then actively start to remove the legal and social structures the Fems have put in place.
I can be done.
Nice!
I would blame the decline of manufacturing in the US on men (unions) making the US noncompetitive with the rest of the world.You are really painting with a very broad brush there. I would not say that is the ONLY reason, or even the MAIN reason. That would be the subject of a thread of it's own.
Chameleon, people in other developed countries travel much more than people from the USA.
Less than 5% of people in the USA even have a passport. Here it is sort of obligatory to travel to another country at some point in your life. I know a lot of people and I only know one guy that has not travelled to another country. As a result, we all think that he's nice but he can't be entirely right in the head. He is a guy that doesn't earn much. I've never even heard of a white collar guy who never travelled overseas. Some one like that would be a bit of a freak here. Here if you have never left the country then you are either under 25 or poor and uneducated or about as interesting as watching paint dry.
Marriage to a foreign woman is not insignificant in this part of the world. For example, more than half the married guys at my work are married to a foreign wife.
Obviously the percentage is much smaller in the general population but it is very common. Very common. Particularly in the major cities and particularly among the above average income guys.
At least the same percentage of guys have moved away.
So yeah the man drought is very real in this part of the world for any woman wanting to marry up.
Unfortunately (for them) most women are struggling to adjust to the new demographics.
However I agree with you in principle. It is going to take a long time and I'm not going to wait up.
I do tell other guys. This can only benefit us all. The more guys that listen up, the more women there will be completing for the pool and the weaker is the power base for the feminist ideology.
This maybe entertaining
Given the way many women are turning to pets for companionship, that day is a LONG way off!
I don't see the feminist movement as a bad thing but there have been some negative side effects that's for sure.
Marriage seems to have been a casualty and relationships as well.
I think any guy in the US should start with himself and define what it means to be a man, for himself. Forget what society tells him and understand that being alone is better than being anything other than himself. Once I realized and lived these things I was able to "chase" women from a position of strength. Knowing I didn't "need" a woman I was able to go after what I "wanted" in a relationship.
To me this is evolving. I didn't marry a foreign woman to go back in time. I simply looked at my options and went after what I wanted.
I may catch heat for this but I agree that the fem movement was not all bad, but it became an extremist movement with an emphasis on not only taking power from men in politics and family but also marginalizing and debasing "manhood" in general.
I agree Zulu. But then when a society deteriorates as such there have been courageous men who step forward and think outside the box to find a solution...just like the few, the brave, the Wifehunters!
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I agree Zulu. But then when a society deteriorates as such there have been courageous men who step forward and think outside the box to find a solution...just like the few, the brave, the Wifehunters!
Not to be argumentative, but a couple weeks ago, a member, Mari06, took strong opposition to me stating that the "social value of being a man" was less in the USA than in South America. This thread has hrashed out that the same issue in more comprehensively. I seemed to remember you being on the other side of the issue at that time, however. Or, was that just your natural tendency to oppose anything that I state ... perhaps you like to see yourself as the "anti-zon" :)
no, it's not the only reason, but it's a contributing factor and the point i'm making is not that unions single-handedly killed manufacturing, but that the women's movement isn't responsible for the decline of men in the workforce and woman's ascent. Men played a big part in their own decline.
FWIW though Right to work states are doing quite well in manufacturing (whereas Michigan is a wasteland), but then you have things like the NLRB forcing boeing's hand on the machinist's union thing so that they don't lose a billion dollar investment in SC. How will that affect other major employers' decisions? It's a big mess.
"Less than 5% of people in the USA even have a passport"
Actually the percentage is between 27 and 30 percent according to CNN and the state department.
Just my dos centavos worth
Dan LV
If you enter the USA by land or sea from Mexico, Canada, the Caribean or the Bahamas - all you need is a Passport Card (ID card). But if you travel by air then you need a Passport Book (what we call a regular passport).
The Unions? Nah, I don't buy it. I have seen this close up. Who the hell in the US can live on 50 cents an hour? That is what US labor is competing with.
Researcher
After their split, O'Connor took to her blog to vent her sexual frustrations and appeal for a new lover.
Recently a study was released that proved that since feminsm, women have become significantly more unhappy.
As long as we tolerate unfairness and allow Fems to dictate the social agenda then we will continue to slide down the slippery slope.
Its easy to make the necessary changes, but many men have "bought in" to the idea of "husband and wife" = "marriage partners" and now promote the core Feminist agenda of partnering.
We must educate and deprogram these guys, then actively start to remove the legal and social structures the Fems have put in place.
I can be done.
Nice!
Good luck training grown men who have been emasculated, new tricks. You're going to need lots of it.
Sinead O'Connor is musically talented & do make good music. But she is also a "troubled" woman.
She have walked off the during performances.
The year she won Best Alternative Music Performance - she boycotted the Grammy's.
She have refused to perform on stage if the national anthem of a "country which impose censorship on artist" is played before her scheduled performance. "Ole Blue Eyes" threatened to kicked her ass.
She received 4 Grammy nominations but removed her name from consideration.
She said that she have been diagnosed with bipolar disorder.
She have attempted suicide.
She says that she is a lesbian - actually according to her 3/4 heterosexual & 1/4 gay. She says that goes out with guys because she haven't necessarily been terribly comfortable about being a big lesbian mule.
She tore up a picture of Pope John Paul II during a SNL perrformance (she later apologize).
She is very outspoken about sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.
Earlier this year she wrote an article in a newspaper (in response to the sexual abuse scandal in Cloyne Diocese) and described the vatican as a nest of devils.
She said that if she was not a singer then she would have wished to be a catholic priest.
In 1999 she was ordained as a priest (Latin Tridentine church in Ireland) and afterwards said that she want to be known as Mother Bernadette Mary.
She needed it good and hard - probably never has.i think your on to something Zon.she has never had a real man who threw her over his shoulder took her into the bedroom & gave it to her good & propper?
i find it interesting that people actually give a flying rat's @ss what some singer or actor thinks.
i couldn't tell you who got voted off the stupid island or who the last winner of american idol was, why because i don't really care. most of those people are fake.
She needed it good and hard - probably never has.I'll bet she has, and not in a good way. Probably by someone who goes by the title of "father". But who's father may be in question. Just sayin', the patterns of behavior that are the consequences of such an episode are there. :-\
i love american pickers , those guys rock, irt deadliest roads is good most of the time, the discovery & military channel are IMHO the best. I havn't seen a sitcom in years & i don't think i am miss much ;D :o ;D
I also like American Pickers, Gold Rush, IRT Deadliest Roads, and of course just about everything on the The Military Channel. I can’t stand sit-coms, especially the ones with the phony laugh tracks.
Ray
Recently, there was a separate thread where some objected to me stating that the "value of being a man" was higher in Latin American countries. I am not, necessarily, talking from a deep psychological perspective. There are hundreds of examples that show this to be true. But some people here think such a claim is gibberish. Look at this little TV commercial (one of hundreds with the same characterization), and tell me if things have not changed a ton in the last 30 years, tell me if things are not different in Latin America - HAHAHA
1. Colombian males have somehow discovered how best to deal with women? Seriously you believe that CRAP!!!! Colombian males are defiantly not winning the gender wars, Colombian women will yell at, cheat on or cut the balls off of their male partners faster than you can blink an eye. WOW self-delusion is AWSOME! You really believe that crap! Let me ask a question, who hear would like to have a Colombian grown male as a son, or son-inlaw? Made my point. Thank you………………………………………….lets move on
But you have to ask yourself just how did these clueless Colombians ever get so on top of the situation when it comes to their women. And if I had to pick one reason...it would be that they don't marry other guys ex-wives especially if they have his kids and are over thirty.
Here in Latin America I love to watch the men out on Friday night and the women at home.
I love that the women will not talk to one another about what they saw their man doing because if they do the other woman says “Ha! Well I saw your man with so and so!”
Please pass the crack pipe Zon. What you are talking about is economics 101, males earn more money because they can physically work harder and are the main labors, so of course they have more value, Is a dog worth more then a milk cow? Is an egg worth more then a hen?
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But you have to ask yourself just how did these clueless Colombians ever get so on top of the situation when it comes to their women. And if I had to pick one reason...it would be that they don't marry other guys ex-wives especially if they have his kids and are over thirty.
1. Colombian males have somehow discovered how best to deal with women? Seriously you believe that CRAP!!!! Colombian males are defiantly not winning the gender wars, Colombian women will yell at, cheat on or cut the balls off of their male partners faster than you can blink an eye. WOW self-delusion is AWSOME! You really believe that crap! Let me ask a question, who hear would like to have a Colombian grown male as a son, or son-inlaw? Made my point. Thank you………………………………………….lets move on2. I have in my travels encountered those who revile in the [snip] that is Colombia………………………………….
QuoteHere in Latin America I love to watch the men out on Friday night and the women at home.
Hey buddy their NOT at home, they screwing their mosos!!!!!!!!!
QuoteI love that the women will not talk to one another about what they saw their man doing because if they do the other woman says “Ha! Well I saw your man with so and so!”
Wrong again, its more like ill tell your man I saw you with so and so!!!!! Chismoso!!!!!!
Honestly I do not think that’s what you meant, when you say “being a man has more value”, your still at the OMG these girls are ACTUALLY hanging out with us, stage. As I have left the building, and moved on. It’s not a pissing match because there is no match…"
Recently, on separate thread, I stated my true opinion on wife hunters vs. life hunters. I highlighted it in red. It is not an argument to be won. Surprisingly, it could be BS to you, yet accurate to another. Is there a personal, ethical, moral, or political issue being debated here?
(BTW, in that thread I did notice that you excused yourself, however, without any response to the fact that you came on awfully strong on the single issue that you simple can not know - age. At 31ish, you are 5 years removed from graduate school, or your first professional job. You probably have not been married, or divorced. You probably have not raised a child. NOTHING WRONG with any of that, of course. It just is what it is)
Funny stuff zonny. You mention Maritime's "qualifications" to comment on certain things and yet you seem to feel "qualified" to advise guys on finding a good woman to marry in Colombia. Hilarious. But I do see you covering yourself by stating "it is what it is" just in case someone catches your hypocrisy. hahaha!
It is a New Year. Let's start off fresh. It is obvious that you object to me in many ways, and you have stated your points endlessly. I ACCEPT THAT - you don't need to like me, nor I you. But, can we please move on? It has gotten past old.
I am not an expert on "How To Get Married To A Colombia" (and we ought add "Stay Happily Married For Greater Than 7 Years." ) Few men here are, in fact. But, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king - LOL
I am only pointing out things I see zon. No need to get upset. I will continue to do so.
You are not an expert that is for sure and who are you to decide who is king?
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But, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king - LOL
It is a New Year. Let's start off fresh. It is obvious that you object to me in many ways, and you have stated your points endlessly. I ACCEPT THAT - you don't need to like me, nor I you. But, can we please move on? It has gotten past old.
I am not an expert on "How To Get Married To A Colombiana" (and we ought add "Stay Happily Married For Greater Than 7 Years." ) Few men here are, in fact. But, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king - LOL
All of the above, man
Is there a personal, ethical, moral, or political issue being debated here?
unless you are trying to imply that because of my age I do not know what I am talking about.
WRONG AGAIN, do you enjoy being this wrong? Here’s what you actually said..
And, the ONLY reason we are talking about this is not because of me, but because of you ... when you strongly commented on how "stupid" it sounded for me to write that being in South America made me feel younger (or something to that extent). You simply do not possess the required experience to comment. That's how it is.
You also said this…
Reasons why I like LIVING in Colombia: Other BIG REASONS:
1. I think most any gringo gets 10 years subtracted from his age. If you take care of yourself and remain current, the difference could be greater. That does not suck!
So, is it possible to feel 10 years younger, honestly? Is is true that a 45 -60 year old man will be held in a much higher social regard in Colombia? HELL YES! Simply, look at Colombian men to answer this question ... I have a Colombian friend that is exactly my age. He was married in the USA many years ago, to a woman his own age. He returned to Colombia 15 years ago, and today, he is married to a woman of 25 years = most would consider her a knockout. Over the last few years, before they were married, they might get into a big argument. Within days, my friend would have another girl just as pretty and seemingly just as willling to be dedicated to him. Women, not whores, young an beautiful fight for his attention - and always have. He is not exceptionally handsome, or successful. This is the world in which he lives, no fooling himself. Who wants Kool-aide?
Are you kidding? I have more experience to comment on this then YOU; I speak the language, understand the culture, and have lived there long before you even decided to jump on a plane. I do not have to an older geezer to comment on why older guys “feel” younger because they come into an environment where younger women simply pay attention to them. That is the most STUPID thing I have heard.
You simply do not possess the required experience to comment. That's how it is.
Yes it’s hard, I do not think ANYONE here gives the impression it’s a cake walk, does not mean we should not try, does not mean there is no hope. I think it’s worth the effort, and socially it’s a good endeavor. Better than say traveling 1000 miles to pad your ego, and fulfill a desire for instance gratification. You say these guys are helpless emotional defunct losers, what’s more dysfunctional then a guy getting on a plane so he can FEEL more social value because everyone around him is poor. Who’s more messed up Zon, the guy who wants to rear a family, and find companionship? Or the guy who feels relationships with women are disposable easily replaced commodities? The man who gets social value from the women he surrounds himself with, or the guy who becomes a father to a child who never had one. The one thing I honestly agree 100% on with you is OUR VIEWS DO DIFFER…
Bottom line = It is harder for an American man to find a good, sincere Colombian woman than it seems at first glance - or 5 day trip. Perhaps your views differ?
I used to take a lot of pictures on my trips to Colombia (and post them here) thinking that it would help guys see the difference but it didn't work out that way a lot of times. People believe what they want to believe and see what they want to see.
No, dude. If you want to go on a witch hunt go ahead. But, I am not going to fuel your assumptions. I have been more respectful of you than you have of me. You seem to fancy yourself on some noble quest? Hmmm. I guess you are the FT, or Researcher of the day.
Lay off the testosterone long enough to realize a simple truth. Most guys here are on Plan B in life. That is how it is. Life looks different from 45 than it does at 30 - than it does at 60. Age matters. It is something that can not be read, or gained on the bench press.
Sincerely, I hope that this is your marriage lasts, and that you realize all your hope and dreams. I hold no ill will to you, or anyone else.
If, however, you find yourself in a place like this later in life ... after a failed marriage (no good guys, or bad guys, just an imperfect life). When your future children are grown. After a business, or two have succeeded, or failed. I guarantee you only one thing - Life will look different to you then than now.
And, the ONLY reason we are talking about this is not because of me, but because of you ... when you strongly commented on how "stupid" it sounded for me to write that being in South America made me feel younger (or something to that extent). You simply do not possess the required experience to comment. That's how it is.
When I was interested in travelling to Russia / Colombia to explore the possibilities for myself ... I was most interested in trying to view things from a locals perspective. Most of the harsh views I have shared on this board come from direct, personal conversations I have had with women, translators, and agency owners. The view I received - after considerable effort - was less than complimentary, generally speaking. Bottom line = It is harder for an American man to find a good, sincere Colombian woman than it seems at first glace - or 5 day trip. Perhaps your views differ?
No, dude. If you want to go on a witch hunt go ahead. But, I am not going to fuel your assumptions. I have been more respectful of you than you have of me. You seem to fancy yourself on some noble quest? Hmmm. I guess you are the FT, or Researcher of the day.
Lay off the testosterone long enough to realize a simple truth. Most guys here are on Plan B in life. That is how it is. Life looks different from 45 than it does at 30 - than it does at 60. Age matters. It is something that can not be read, or gained on the bench press.
If, however, you find yourself in a place like this later in life ... after a failed marriage (no good guys, or bad guys, just an imperfect life). When your future children are grown. After a business, or two have succeeded, or failed. I guarantee you only one thing - Life will look different to you then than now.
And, the ONLY reason we are talking about this is not because of me, but because of you ... when you strongly commented on how "stupid" it sounded for me to write that being in South America made me feel younger (or something to that extent). You simply do not possess the required experience to comment. That's how it is.
When I was interested in travelling to Russia / Colombia to explore the possibilities for myself ... I was most interested in trying to view things from a locals perspective. Most of the harsh views I have shared on this board come from direct, personal conversations I have had with women, translators, and agency owners. The view I received - after considerable effort - was less than complimentary, generally speaking. Bottom line = It is harder for an American man to find a good, sincere Colombian woman than it seems at first glace - or 5 day trip. Perhaps your views differ?
Man up, just like your little buddy says get some balls, you have referred to my age numerous times, when you thought I was not looking, now you want to back out. OK
Are you kidding? I have more experience to comment on this then YOU; I speak the language, understand the culture, and have lived there long before you even decided to jump on a plane. I do not have to an older geezer to comment on why older guys “feel” younger because they come into an environment where younger women simply pay attention to them. That is the most STUPID thing I have heard.
I can tell you from experience that most guys aren't going to listen to you. They will do what they will do. You expats obviously don't have any experience with advising anyone.
Sounds like others see through you as well.
You expats obviously don't have any experience with advising anyone.
It sounds just plain sad to me. Having to move to another country to feel younger seems quite deperate and only something a loser would do.
I am not arguing to persuade ANYBODY. You have always suggested that there exists background / surreptitious motivations in my posts, and frankly, I don't get it?!?
WHAT?!?! Honestly, I think you get so excited to rebut my every post that you do not think twice about what you say.
I was talking to a guy in Bogota that knows you a couple weeks ago - I was only half listening - but, I do not get the impression that you were unexcited to stay in your league when you were hunting for a wife. Hmmm
Regardless of your considerable experience and heritage, your cup is less than half full of the perspective only AGE can bring. (don't be pissed, be happy) When I was 31, I was an AA to congressman and thought I had the whole world by the short hairs. This entire site would have been utter and total nonsense to me at the time.
ON EVERY OTHER ISSUE, I do not question your qualifications - in fact, I would like to read more of what you would have to say.
Another good post. Very well put. I'd say that's pretty much it in a nut shell.
...there are many more examples of men, who are in fact living Plan B in Colombia; men between the ages of 40 and 65 that have remarried and are starting a family - or who are planning to - again usually with a woman that is 15 - 25 years their junior. These guys do not strike me as sex crazed pervs. They are not trying to game the system. They are not trying to "vote with their feet". They are simply trying to get the best selection and life choices for themselves ... and that took them to Colombia.
Well said.
A 31 year old man really can't give me one bit of advice about life or relationships unless he has been married for at least 15 years (been divorced and had to deal with an ex and his kids), raised 2 or more children worked on a 9 to 5 job for 20 years and both parents are passed away and he has had to lead his family through that transition and, last but not least, has had to deal with significant life issues and made good (and bad) decisions to work his way out of them.
My grandfather was an avid hunter.
We used to go out and hunt coons and squirrel every year. At the beginning of the season we would have our pouches full. By end of hunting season you would rarely get 1. I finally asked my grandpa why?
He said, "son at the beginning of the season you will bag all of the youg-uns, they are bold and brash and know everything, easy pickings. But at the end of the season, you will only be bagging the old and wise ones, if you're lucky enough!"
I NEVER bagged an old coon.
With that being said, I enjoy listening, debating, posting and engaging with the P-L faithful about all the issues, its fun.
I respect everyone's opinion because we all have our own points of view, right or wrong.
Zulu
I noticed you did not argue my point at all... What do you bring to the table? 1.I have lived in a latin country for more then 6 years2.visted more then a few latin countries3. dated and womenized my fare share of latin women4. applied for and entered my women with a K-1 visa This fourm currently exists to assist guys in finding and relocating their fiancee or wife to USA, It deals with agencys, travel issues, culture shock, ect.... HOW EXACTLY AM I NOT QUALIFIED? i think i can bring a feast to the table, where i guy like you is lucky to serve the water...