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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2018, 01:59:24 PM »

Amazing. When I read that Brazil had sent the army to the border, I thought they were trying to halt the influx of impoverished immigrants. Afterall, Brazil is going thru some rough economic times in its own right.

Instead, they're supposedly giving them warm meals, shelter, mattresses, work permits and flying them via jet daily to assimilate them across Brazil.

Doesn't quite sound like the USA-- Mexico situation, or Colombia --Venezuela....



"""This is a summary of what was said by UNHCR spokesperson William Spindler – to whom quoted text may be attributed – at today's press briefing at the Palais des Nations in Geneva.

UNHCR, the UN Refugee Agency, working with the Brazilian Government and partners is ramping up the humanitarian response for the growing number of Venezuelans arriving in the north of the country with increasing needs.

According to the Government’s latest estimates, more than 800 Venezuelans are entering Brazil each day. As the complex political and socio-economic situation in their country continues to worsen, arriving Venezuelans are in more desperate need of food, shelter and health care. Many also need international protection.

More than 52,000 Venezuelans [1] have arrived in Brazil since the beginning of 2017. An estimated 40,000 have entered through the isolated northern state of Roraima and are living in Boa Vista, the state capital.

With numbers growing, public services such as health care and sanitation are becoming stretched. Authorities recently declared a state of emergency and have allocated BRL 190 million (approximately US$ 58 million) for emergency humanitarian assistance for people coming from Venezuela.

UNHCR has been working closely with the Brazilian Federal Government to register Venezuelans and ensure all arrivals have proper documentation. Once documented, Venezuelan asylum-seekers, as well as those with special stay permits, have the right to work, and access health, education and other basic services.

Brazil’s Federal Government Committee on the Emergency Response to the Venezuelan influx, which is coordinating the humanitarian response in Roraima, is working with UNHCR to ensure Venezuelans have access to health care and proper shelter, and that they are being provided with basic aid items such as personal hygiene kits and mattresses.

UNHCR and the Brazilian Authorities are increasingly concerned by the growing risks faced by those Venezuelans who are living on the streets, including sexual exploitation and violence. To meet shelter needs and mitigate these risks two new shelters in Boa Vista have been opened in the last two weeks. The new shelters can house 500 people each, and are nearly at capacity. Priority is given to families with children, pregnant women, elderly people and others with specific needs.

UNHCR is managing the new shelters, and our staff are doing biometric registration and issuing identification cards for food and aid distributions there. At the same time, the Federal authorities through the Brazilian army are providing three warm meals a day as well as physical security. The municipal government is conducting vaccinations on site

Meanwhile, we are working with the authorities to identify Venezuelans willing to relocate voluntarilly from Roraima to other parts of Brazil. Relocation will provide longer-term solutions for people in need and ease the strain on local communities and services in Roraima state. Two flights, operated by the Brazilian Air Force are leaving Boa Vista this week. One left yesterday, flying 104 Venezuelans to Sao Paulo. The second is expected today to Sao Pablo and Cuiabá, the capital of the Mato Grosso state located in the centre of the country. This is expected to carry a further 277 Venezuelans.

So far, some 600 Venezuelans have been relocated to other cities, where local authorities and civil society groups are helping them integrate and become self-reliant. A UNHCR survey conducted by the Federal University of Roraima revealed that 77 per cent of Venezuelans currently living in Roraima hope to relocate to other parts of Brazil.

UNHCR is grateful to the actions of the Brazilian Government, including in keeping its borders open to Venezuelans and ensuring that all refugees and asylum-seekers in Brazil have access to basic rights and services.

UNHCR has recently requested from donors an initial US$ 46 million to implement its regional response plan for Venezuelans in the main host countries, Brazil included. So far, this plan is only 4 per cent funded. We’re calling on the international community for greater support to Brazil which has been generous in its response and needs further support to enhance reception capacities, prevent discrimination against Venezuelans, and ensure peaceful coexistence.

[1]Of the 52,000 Venezuelans living in Brazil, 25,000 are asylum seekers, 10,000 hold temporary resident visas, while the rest are working to regularizing their status.

For more information on this topic, please contact:

In Brazil, Luiz Fernando GODINHO, godinho@unhcr.org, +55 61 818 709 78
In New York, Kathryn MAHONEY, mahoney@unhcr.org, +1 347 443 7646
In Geneva, William SPINDLER, spindler@unhcr.org, +41 79 217 30 11

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #26 on: September 04, 2018, 04:57:49 PM »
Some interesting salario miimo figures for different Latin American countries here. For some reason Ecuador was not included but comparison with the US and England was. Many of the Venezuelan refugees are trying to make their way to Peru believing the economy is better there than in Colombia...which it is slightly.


http://www.newperuvian.com/current-minimum-wage-in-peru-in-us-dollars-and-soles/

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #27 on: September 04, 2018, 05:52:18 PM »
actually, i saw some videos of brazilanz fighting and  trying to kick out the Venezuelans from a border town. not welcoming them.

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2018, 09:11:07 PM »
Below is from over 3 weeks ago, but apparently a lot of Venezuelans are 'passing through' Colombia to get to what they see as a better situation in Ecuador. I have a feeling that the actual number of refugees cited are in fact larger.

"" 10 August 2018
Migrants and Refugees
One of the largest population movements in Latin American history is under way from Venezuela, according to the UN Refugee Agency, UNHCR, which on Friday confirmed that it is increasing assistance to neighbouring Ecuador, where more and more Venezuelans are arriving each week.

Amid ongoing social and political upheaval in the South American country, more than half a million people have arrived in Ecuador since the beginning of the year, UNHCR’s William Spindler said.

“The exodus of Venezuelans from the country is one of Latin America’s largest mass-population movements in history,” he added. “Since the beginning of the year, some 547,000 Venezuelans have entered Ecuador through the Colombian border at a daily average of between 2,700 and 3,000 men women and children. However, the influx is now accelerating, and in the first week of August, some 30,000 Venezuelans entered the country. That’s more than 4,000 a day.”

In response to the situation, Ecuador has declared a state of emergency in the northern provinces of Carchi, Pichincha and el Oro.

The development means that Ecuador can assign additional resources to Venezuelans, many of whom have endured weeks of hardship on their journey to the border, UNHCR spokesperson William Spindler said.

“Many of the Venezuelans are moving on foot, in an odyssey of days and even weeks in precarious conditions,” he said. “Many run out of resources to continue their journey, and left destitute are forced to live rough in public parks and resort to begging and other negative coping mechanism in order to meet their daily needs.”

The UNHCR spokesperson noted that Ecuador also had a “long tradition of welcoming refugees” in a region where the movement of people across borders was commonplace.

Nonetheless, the rising number of arrivals have led to “pressure” on asylum registrations.

“Xenophobic reactions to the exodus have been noted in some quarters,” Spindler said. “The majority of the Venezuelans entering Ecuador continue onwards to Peru and Chile. Up to 20 per cent, however, remain in the country, some 7,000 of whom have sought asylum since 2016. The government-run asylum system is feeling this pressure.”

According to UN Migration Agency, IOM, there has been a 900 per cent increase in Venezuelan nationals living abroad on the subcontinent from 2015 to 2017 – up from 89,000 to 900,000.

Worldwide, the number has risen from 700,000 to more than 1.6 million in the same period.

A lack of visa requirements and other bilateral agreements make it relatively straightforward for Venezuelans to move through Latin America.

Speaking to journalists in Geneva, IOM spokesperson Joel Millman said that Latin American press reports refer to people’s pursuit of a “Chilean dream”, a reference to the American dream that many migrants are said to pursue when migrating north.""
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2018, 06:09:26 AM »
Amazing. When I read that Brazil had sent the army to the border, I thought they were trying to halt the influx of impoverished immigrants. Afterall, Brazil is going thru some rough economic times in its own right.

Instead, they're supposedly giving them warm meals, shelter, mattresses, work permits and flying them via jet daily to assimilate them across Brazil.

Doesn't quite sound like the USA-- Mexico situation, or Colombia --Venezuela....


LMAOF Sounds more Like what Canadá is doing with illegal border hoppers ..allthough in Brazil's case it is probably all fake news..in Canada's case it is 100% true..I have seen it with my own eyes..

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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2018, 06:42:02 AM »
And speaking of "Fake News" did you know "socialism" did not cause the mess in Venezuela?

Canadas state run socialist news service and their most opinionated , progressive and "virtue signalling" journalist has declared that " Populism and not socialism " destroyed Venezuela.

And by inference, the same thing will happens with the US under the Trump regime.

Neil Mcdonald is a left wing journalist employed his whole life by the CBC, always opinionating absolute garbage and lies about subjects he has no clue about, and projecting himself as some kind of "expert" on the subject.


I was particularily disgusted by this article the idiot published.

And to think my tax money pays for this tripe.




www.cbc.ca/news/business/venezuela-populism-collapse-1.4804985


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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2018, 07:01:21 AM »
And speaking of "Fake News" did you know "socialism" did not cause the mess in Venezuela?

Canadas state run socialist news service and their most opinionated , progressive and "virtue signalling" journalist has declared that " Populism and not socialism " destroyed Venezuela.

And by inference, the same thing will happens with the US under the Trump regime.

Neil Mcdonald is a left wing journalist employed his whole life by the CBC, always opinionating absolute garbage and lies about subjects he has no clue about, and projecting himself as some kind of "expert" on the subject.


I was particularily disgusted by this article the idiot published.

And to think my tax money pays for this tripe.




www.cbc.ca/news/business/venezuela-populism-collapse-1.4804985


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And speaking of "Fake News" did you know "socialism" did not cause the mess in Venezuela?

Canadas state run socialist news service and their most opinionated , progressive and "virtue signalling" journalist has declared that " Populism and not socialism " destroyed Venezuela.

And by inference, the same thing will happens with the US under the Trump regime.

Neil Mcdonald is a left wing journalist employed his whole life by the CBC, always opinionating absolute garbage and lies about subjects he has no clue about, and projecting himself as some kind of "expert" on the subject.


I was particularily disgusted by this article the idiot published.

And to think my tax money pays for this tripe.




www.cbc.ca/news/business/venezuela-populism-collapse-1.4804985

Just look at some of the coments from CBC supporters.

"Its not socislism that causes the problem.. its the CIA"

"Its the US Sancions"

"its the capiitalists"

These apologists are mostly public sector employees, social science or fine arts majors who live in their mom's basement

Its kinda like the Monty Python skit.."The dead parrot"...the Pet  shop keeper part being played by the champagne socialist  apologists..

"Its not dead ..its only stunned"  "It wasnt the fault of Socialism, it was..."

Sorry.. the fochin parrot is DEAD and it  was SOCIALISM that killed it you  disgusting sheep losers ...


https://youtu.be/4vuW6tQ0218


This is a prime example of why I could never return to Canadá to.live..

Propaganda machine from the press to the government , the Universities and the courts all shoving their  PC "Progressive"  garbage down people throats..and the native population.. especially the youngsters.. just lapping it up.
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2018, 08:31:44 AM »
Everyone always likes to have Venezuela as their socialist boogeyman but how come they never bring up Denmark or Sweden or the Netherlands? It's like all the old fat Americans ranting and raving about socialized medicine but they are the only ones in the country who actually have socialized medicine.

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« Reply #33 on: September 05, 2018, 09:14:50 AM »
There's no 'real' news. It's all basically the same stories, with the pictures, numbers and names switched around....
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« Reply #34 on: September 05, 2018, 11:42:15 AM »
Everyone always likes to have Venezuela as their socialist boogeyman but how come they never bring up Denmark or Sweden or the Netherlands? It's like all the old fat Americans ranting and raving about socialized medicine but they are the only ones in the country who actually have socialized medicine.


I never understood why the Democrats even came up with the idea of the  Affordable Care Act.


It would have been a much easier sell just to tell people we are lowering the age to qualify for Medicare from 65 to 25 years old.








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« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2018, 02:43:23 PM »
Everyone always likes to have Venezuela as their socialist boogeyman but how come they never bring up Denmark or Sweden or the Netherlands? It's like all the old fat Americans ranting and raving about socialized medicine but they are the only ones in the country who actually have socialized medicine.

SWEDEN is foched...8 million people and they let in.1 million Muslims.

And dont get me goin about Norway ..only 5 million people, high taxes and massive oil and gas reserves
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« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2018, 09:00:51 PM »
SWEDEN is foched...8 million people and they let in.1 million Muslims.

And dont get me goin about Norway ..only 5 million people, high taxes and massive oil and gas reserves

Are you "foching" kidding us or something?

Sweden and Norway are great countries...with a high quality of life, etc. That is why so many people want to move there.

Same can be said for many of the other OECD countries with high levels of GDP per capita: Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, Germany, Australia, the USA, etc.

All are REGULATED market economies with representative governments of one kind or another. Granted some are more regulated with a greater provision of public goods than others. But anyone born in any of the above countries won the damn lottery....relatively speaking from a global perspective. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_GDP_per_capita

Within Latin America the two highest in GDP per capita and human development are Uruguay (center left) and Chile (center right).

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2018, 09:30:26 AM »
I think Elex's ideal country is probably something along the lines of Putin's Russia or Pinochet's Chile. The opinion of Canada in the world and among it's own citizens has been steadily rising yet he hates what it's become. Me, I love it now so much better than when I left in the late '70s. If the climate were better I would go back there but as it is, I may spend four or five months a year there.

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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2018, 06:13:46 PM »
Strictly an anecdotal observation: I am of Nordic heritage and I had a Norwegian cousin and his wife (same age, both early sixties but she looks like his older sister) visit me here in Colombia a few years ago. I took them all over Cali and up to a coffee growing village a couple of hours away. Because I wanted to enjoy the outings too I brought along my young girlfriend. At one point while we were walking around in El Centro she asked him if it was possible for a Colombian to get a tourist visa to visit Norway. He told her no, quite impossible. Later I asked him if that was true and he said no it would be easy but "you don't want to come to Norway and meet your relatives with a little Colombian whore". What an [snip]. The reality is Norwegians are extremely racist. They have a history of treating their indigenous population, the Sami as badly or worse as the Europeans treated the Indians in the US. My guests were a total pain in the ass. They bought the cheapest boxed wine to bring to my finca and the (old) woman prepared little evening meals for the two of them without even asking if I'd like some...in my house! We never even discussed why they "needed" to kill whales in modern times. Anyway you can keep your fochin' Norwegians.




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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2018, 06:06:30 PM »
Strictly an anecdotal observation: I am of Nordic heritage and I had a Norwegian cousin and his wife (same age, both early sixties but she looks like his older sister) visit me here in Colombia a few years ago. I took them all over Cali and up to a coffee growing village a couple of hours away. Because I wanted to enjoy the outings too I brought along my young girlfriend. At one point while we were walking around in El Centro she asked him if it was possible for a Colombian to get a tourist visa to visit Norway. He told her no, quite impossible. Later I asked him if that was true and he said no it would be easy but "you don't want to come to Norway and meet your relatives with a little Colombian whore". What an [snip]. The reality is Norwegians are extremely racist. They have a history of treating their indigenous population, the Sami as badly or worse as the Europeans treated the Indians in the US. My guests were a total pain in the ass. They bought the cheapest boxed wine to bring to my finca and the (old) woman prepared little evening meals for the two of them without even asking if I'd like some...in my house! We never even discussed why they "needed" to kill whales in modern times. Anyway you can keep your fochin' Norwegians.


Wow, what a freaking azz-hole! I am surprised you didn't kick him and his lady out of your house. Should have driven them to the worst barrio in Cali and let them fend for themselves.

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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2018, 07:13:01 PM »
Seems among nation's worldwide, there's always a need to look down, to piss on, even persecute others. The way we, the Spaniards and other Europeans treated the original inhabitants of North, Central and South America, largely fits the definition of genocide:

"The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation."

In the USA, we couldn't do it with giving them death from the common (to us anyway) cold, but we gave them blankets from our small pox victims as a follow up. We took the good land from them, gave them the crappiest land, sending them on death marches to it. Then when it was discovered there was some value to that land, or in and under it--precious minerals, oil etc, or new hardier crops that could grow on it, we sent them to crappier land.

The school's on the Indian 'reservations' are the worst of the worst, even today.

Booze and drugs--things that were instantly addictive to them, still couldn't kill them, soooo--we give then gambling licenses to set up casinos. Yet another vice, so they fight among each other over the profits, claiming the purer the Indian blood, the higher percentage of profit each should recieve. Divide and conquer, as the British did in Northern Ireland.

So such behavior, 'mindsets' isn't isolated  to the Americas. Even in western Europe, the seemingly most 'civilized' and 'refined' nations have many so called 'elite' people who control most of the industry and wealth, who are thinly disguised facist nationalists.

I see African Americans who verbally put down other African Americans, because they have skin that's a shade darker. Or because they are perceived as acting 'too white'. --->"Oreos"

The movie "Crazy Rich Asians" is a LOT of fun for pretty much anyone who enjoys comedy, a bit of romance and spectacular scenery, but it cracked me up to hear Asians in it referring to fellow Asians who embraced white, American values --calling them -->"Bananas", LOL...

It just never frickin ends....

In Asia, Pol Pot, who killed millions in our lifetime, especially those who could read, who banned money and turned the calendar back to zero, was just another variation of Genghis Khan, from 1200 years earlier->

https://listverse.com/2016/08/27/10-brutal-moments-in-the-conquests-of-genghis-khan/

https://m.ranker.com/list/horrible-pol-pot-crimes/philgibbons

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2018, 09:28:45 AM »
Strictly an anecdotal observation: I am of Nordic heritage and I had a Norwegian cousin and his wife (same age, both early sixties but she looks like his older sister) visit me here in Colombia a few years ago. I took them all over Cali and up to a coffee growing village a couple of hours away. Because I wanted to enjoy the outings too I brought along my young girlfriend. At one point while we were walking around in El Centro she asked him if it was possible for a Colombian to get a tourist visa to visit Norway. He told her no, quite impossible. Later I asked him if that was true and he said no it would be easy but "you don't want to come to Norway and meet your relatives with a little Colombian whore". What an [snip]. The reality is Norwegians are extremely racist. They have a history of treating their indigenous population, the Sami as badly or worse as the Europeans treated the Indians in the US. My guests were a total pain in the ass. They bought the cheapest boxed wine to bring to my finca and the (old) woman prepared little evening meals for the two of them without even asking if I'd like some...in my house! We never even discussed why they "needed" to kill whales in modern times. Anyway you can keep your fochin' Norwegians.


And don't forget those Norwegians can hold a grudge. jajaja

I forget what Pete E. did that you considered a slight.... But after that you disliked the guy until the day he died.

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« Reply #42 on: September 09, 2018, 03:13:01 PM »
I think Elex's ideal country is probably something along the lines of Putin's Russia or Pinochet's Chile. The opinion of Canada in the world and among it's own citizens has been steadily rising yet he hates what it's become. Me, I love it now so much better than when I left in the late '70s. If the climate were better I would go back there but as it is, I may spend four or five months a year there.



BS.. there are only 3 reasons the "enlightened" people voted for the useless drama teacher:

1, He is cute (all the women and gays)
2.He is gonna legalize marihuana
3. He is not Harper (The Last Prime Minister)

He has absolutly no capability to handle the positión.A trust fund child ex drama school teacher and snow board instructor who flunked out of first year engineering.
He spends all this time concentrating on "Virtue Signalling" and trying to get Canadá  a seat on the UN security council (what a useless piece of crap organization that is) .

Meanwhile, his policies and gaffs  are driving private investment out of the country.

If I was working, and  had a choice, I would rather be in the US under Obama or Clinton or Trump than in Canadá with the drama teacheras PM. But I am retired in Colombia, so it doest matter, other than my investments are in Canadá and I pay taxes there.

This guy , puts it more eloquently. He is Up to date with what is happening in Canadá now:

https://youtu.be/tYPAdB-KzbM

https://youtu.be/CGvlg0-RM5A

https://youtu.be/K4811viyarc

https://youtu.be/byrNW6eokWM

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« Reply #43 on: September 09, 2018, 03:19:07 PM »

And don't forget those Norwegians can hold a grudge. jajaja

I forget what Pete E. did that you considered a slight.... But after that you disliked the guy until the day he died.

I'd like to go in for some 'close quarter combat' with these Norwegians, grudge or no grudge.....

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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #44 on: September 09, 2018, 04:27:38 PM »
CP the first day PeteE arrived in Cali I invited him to my house in La Flora for an elegant lunch prepared by my then compañera  then took him around Cali to places like La 14 Calima to show him where he could buy things. He never thanked me and I didn't hear from him again. So yes I figured he was kind of an azzhole gringo.
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #45 on: September 09, 2018, 05:09:34 PM »


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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #46 on: September 09, 2018, 05:18:46 PM »
Are you "foching" kidding us or something?

Sweden and Norway are great countries...with a high quality of life, etc. That is why so many people want to move there.

Same can be said for many of the other OECD countries with high levels of GDP per capita: Switzerland, Netherlands, Austria, Denmark, Germany, Australia, the USA, etc.

All are REGULATED market economies with representative governments of one kind or another. Granted some are more regulated with a greater provision of public goods than others. But anyone born in any of the above countries won the damn lottery....relatively speaking from a global perspective. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_GDP_per_capita

Within Latin America the two highest in GDP per capita and human development are Uruguay (center left) and Chile (center right).

Well in one generation it will all change.. everything will be under Sharia law..

You are right ..everyone wants to go there because of the social programs.

Welfare state plus open borders equals DISASTER.
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #47 on: September 09, 2018, 05:31:17 PM »
Strictly an anecdotal observation: I am of Nordic heritage and I had a Norwegian cousin and his wife (same age, both early sixties but she looks like his older sister) visit me here in Colombia a few years ago. I took them all over Cali and up to a coffee growing village a couple of hours away. Because I wanted to enjoy the outings too I brought along my young girlfriend. At one point while we were walking around in El Centro she asked him if it was possible for a Colombian to get a tourist visa to visit Norway. He told her no, quite impossible. Later I asked him if that was true and he said no it would be easy but "you don't want to come to Norway and meet your relatives with a little Colombian whore". What an [snip]. The reality is Norwegians are extremely racist. They have a history of treating their indigenous population, the Sami as badly or worse as the Europeans treated the Indians in the US. My guests were a total pain in the ass. They bought the cheapest boxed wine to bring to my finca and the (old) woman prepared little evening meals for the two of them without even asking if I'd like some...in my house! We never even discussed why they "needed" to kill whales in modern times. Anyway you can keep your fochin' Norwegians.

What  a jerk. I would have punched this lights out right there.

My Dutch relatives would never say anything like that, no.matter what they though personally thought about the age difference.

Sounds like he was a hater who was jeaulous cuz he was stuck with the old hag.

This is probably more because of the type of individual he was, rather than his nationality.


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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #48 on: September 09, 2018, 06:43:57 PM »
Strictly an anecdotal observation: I am of Nordic heritage and I had a Norwegian cousin and his wife (same age, both early sixties but she looks like his older sister) visit me here in Colombia a few years ago. I took them all over Cali and up to a coffee growing village a couple of hours away. Because I wanted to enjoy the outings too I brought along my young girlfriend. At one point while we were walking around in El Centro she asked him if it was possible for a Colombian to get a tourist visa to visit Norway. He told her no, quite impossible. Later I asked him if that was true and he said no it would be easy but "you don't want to come to Norway and meet your relatives with a little Colombian whore". What an [snip]. The reality is Norwegians are extremely racist. They have a history of treating their indigenous population, the Sami as badly or worse as the Europeans treated the Indians in the US. My guests were a total pain in the ass. They bought the cheapest boxed wine to bring to my finca and the (old) woman prepared little evening meals for the two of them without even asking if I'd like some...in my house! We never even discussed why they "needed" to kill whales in modern times. Anyway you can keep your fochin' Norwegians.


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When the Venezuelan War of Independence started, the Spanish enlisted the Llaneros, playing on their dislike of the criollos of the independence movement. José Tomás Boves led an army of llaneros which routinely killed white Venezuelans. After several more years of war, which killed half of Venezuela's white population, the country achieved independence from Spain in 1821.[11][12]

In Venezuela, like other South American countries, economic inequality often breaks along ethnic and racial lines.[13] A 2013 Swedish academic study stated that Venezuela was the most racist country in the Americas,[13] followed by the Dominican Republic.[13]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_South_America

I've heard it's really bad in Brazil too but that in Argentina, it's beyond 'racism'--that they hate people who aren't 'pure' Argentinian blood, regardless of their skin color, religion etc. Hard nuts to crack....
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Re: Venezuela, what a mess, and spilling over at that....
« Reply #49 on: September 09, 2018, 06:51:51 PM »
Well in one generation it will all change.. everything will be under Sharia law..

You are right ..everyone wants to go there because of the social programs.

Welfare state plus open borders equals DISASTER.


What difference does it make? We have the US which is governed under strict Biblical law (watch Judge Kavanaugh and his cronies overrule Roe v Wade) or we have a country governed under Sharia law? Both groups are fanatics who hate homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, racial miscegenation etc Really the Baptists in rural Texas would be completely at home among ISIS or the Taliban. They would have beheadings in every town square if they could manage it!

 

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