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[akobuang]

Hello everyone. I have a friend who has been married to a pinay now for 3 months she came here on a k1 fiancee visa. Anyway since shes been here they havent gotten along and i believe she never even liked my friend as she is just 20 years old and a brat and he is 46 and they have nothing in common. Long story short she met another guy on the internet and left my friend and took off with this other guy from another state. She doesnt have her passport or any kind of indentification and told him that shes never coming back. So shes here and her paperwork hasnt been done and has no form of id and no family here, just a friend whos also married to an american. What is she thinking? Can she survive in here like that? Will she eventually get deported? My friend is really upset and would like to have her deported, what can he do? What can she do?

[robert angel]

Ray, William 3rd?

The better question is: "What can he do?" And my guess is 'not much' depending on how she plays it, but I'm far from being an expert on this subject, but Ray and William 3rd have probably forgotten more about such a subject than I'll ever know. Hopefully, they can lend their experience and expertise here

But anyway, I'd be inclined to bet that one way or another, she gets to stay here, unless she does something very, very illegal that would a get an American citizen--your average Jane or John Doe arrested, such as robbing a bank...

I've heard of cases like this, reported to a USCIS agent, who basically said "Sorry, Charlie, that's really sad---but we have bigger fish to catch and fry--has she done anything REALLY bad?"

The way things are going these days, I wouldn't be surprised to see her out on a date with Roman Polanski at Disney World....

[Jeff S]

There are about 12 million illegal aliens the the US. Now there's 12 million and 1

[Ray]

Hello everyone. I have a friend who has been married to a pinay now for 3 months she came here on a k1 fiancee visa. Anyway since shes been here they havent gotten along and i believe she never even liked my friend as she is just 20 years old and a brat and he is 46 and they have nothing in common. Long story short she met another guy on the internet and left my friend and took off with this other guy from another state. She doesnt have her passport or any kind of indentification and told him that shes never coming back. So shes here and her paperwork hasnt been done and has no form of id and no family here, just a friend whos also married to an american. What is she thinking? Can she survive in here like that? Will she eventually get deported? My friend is really upset and would like to have her deported, what can he do? What can she do?

He can’t have her deported. With the current administration, she will not be deported anyway.

Your friend should consult with a family law attorney and see about getting an annulment.

If she has a key, he should change the locks on his home.

What is her status? Has the Adjustment of Status paperwork been filed?

Ray

[Dave H]

The way things are going these days, I wouldn't be surprised to see her out on a date with Roman Polanski at Disney World....

Hey Rob,

I doubt that Roman would be interested...unless she could convince him that she is only 13! 

Dave

[Bob_S]

As Ray said, change all the locks.  She may have a key, she may not.  But on the off chance that she does, he doesn't want to come home to find everything cleaned out.  She may say she's in another state, but unless you got a GPS ankle bracelet on her, you really don't know.  She could be just a few blocks over for all you really know.

If he put her on any credit cards or bank accounts, close them immediately.

Contact one of the credit card reporting services and put a watch on his credit lest she should have his personal info and try to open some credit cards using his information.

CYA! 
He should contact the BCIS with a letter noting in cold factual language that she has run off and he will be filing for divorce.  Include her alien A-number on the document.  He doesn't want to get cited in any visa scam work she may try to wrangle after she realizes how she really screwed herself by not being patient for 2 years.

He can try for an annulment, but a quickie divorce based on abandonment might be cheaper and faster.  Talk to a lawyer about that one.  Get the paperwork going ASAP.

Change his e-mail and phone number.  Not that he is in danger or anything.  But when she realizes how she screwed herself, she may try to contact him to come crawling back, and he needs to be strong and not yield to the temptation of a hot young body with romantic whispers.  The less chance of her being able to contact him, the better chance of him staying the course of doing what needs to be done.

After he's filed the paperwork, spend a month drowning his sorrows in booze and strippers, and kicking himself for blowing past all the red flags I'm sure were waving in his face the whole time but he ignored.

After the divorce is finalized, spend a month celebrating with booze and strippers, thanking his lucky stars it could have gone far worse, if instead of choosing a too young (and therefore very stupid and overly romantic) Pinay he had chosen a RW which are more intelligent, more cunning, and therefore far more lethal when they go bad.

Don't expect for a moment that she'll ever get deported.  Illegal murderous gang bangers get sanctuary here, so as long as she keeps her head down, she'll easily stay under the radar.  His only satisfaction would be that she'll probably never see her family again.  She'll have to fly home to do it, but then she'll not get back into the country.  That is, as long as The One The Messiah Obama (Praise be unto his holy name OOOOHHHHHH) doesn't grant blanket amnesty prior to the November elections.

[piglett]

After he's filed the paperwork, spend a month drowning his sorrows in booze and strippers, and kicking himself for blowing past all the red flags I'm sure were waving in his face the whole time but he ignored.

After the divorce is finalized, spend a month celebrating with booze and strippers, thanking his lucky stars it could have gone far worse

so let me make sure i have this straight
strippers & booze now
strippers & booze later
do you think that strippers & booze in between the strippers & booze & the strippers & booze would be a little too much or rite on the mark.

i myself would suggest mostly domestic booze & foreign strippers, but i guess that could go the other way too & still mite work out OK.

good luck
piglett

[Henry]

Wow. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that Russkie women are ruthless. No wonder the Russian forum was spun off!

As for the OP, all of the above, plus I would
1. move/change address
2. document my location, date + time with witnesses in case of false domestic V accusations.

[z_k_g]

What a train wreck!

I hope he documents his entire courting process someday so we can know what not to do and maybe mitigate the next guys risk factors.

Once she runs out of money, assuming she is not a stripper by now, then she will be back!  They always come back to the source when hard times hit.

Prepare yourself for the second coming!  Heed the advice of the guys!

Zulu

[Dave H]

My friend is really upset and would like to have her deported, what can he do?

Hey akobuang,

Sorry to hear about your friend's situation! All of the above! Divorce ASAP!

What can she do?

Who cares! Hopefully she will end up working for a nice Filipino family scrubbing toilets, cleaning, cooking, taking care of kids, and mowing the lawn for $40 per month and 1 day off!

Dave

[Bob_S]

do you think that strippers & booze in between the strippers & booze & the strippers & booze would be a little too much or rite on the mark.

i myself would suggest mostly domestic booze & foreign strippers, but i guess that could go the other way too & still mite work out OK.

I like your thinkin'.  The OP should pass it on to his friend.

Wow. Everyone is pretty much in agreement that Russkie women are ruthless. No wonder the Russian forum was spun off!

If she had been a RW, the OP would never have known about these events because his friend would simply have disappeared into prison on false charges of spousal abuse and, if she brought over a prior child, false charges of child molestation. 

[Henry]

If she had been a RW, the OP would never have known about these events because his friend would simply have disappeared into prison on false charges of spousal abuse and, if she brought over a prior child, false charges of child molestation. 

Yeah, before they banned me over there, I was reading some of the threads. They do have Russian women posters over there. I must say though. If I wanted a mean, angry, materialistic, calculating witch of a wife who didnt appareciate me, then I would select to be abused by an American woman any day of the week, rather than the most naive of Russian women. And that is sayign a lot. HAHAHAHAHAHA

[akobuang]

Hey thx guys.. She has not had her adjustment of status or anything done, the only thing she did get done was the fingerprinting stuff. Yeah i dunno i feel bad for my friend but i told him before she got here not to marry her because i knew she was a lil ho. Live and learn but it really pisses me off that she can get away with this b.s.

[AsphaltVoyager]

He can’t have her deported. With the current administration, she will not be deported anyway.

This is really amusing, Ray. What makes you think that the Bush administration was any better regarding immigration issues. If they had been better, this administration wouldn't be facing the load of garbage it has to now. The one thing that Bush's administration will long be noted for was its lax approach to enforcing ANY kind of government oversight where regulations are concerned.

[Dave H]

This is really amusing, Ray. What makes you think that the Bush administration was any better regarding immigration issues.

Ask Obama's “Auntie Zeituni”...or Obama about his own immigration status!  Good luck getting a straight answer!

[william3rd]

He can’t have her deported. With the current administration, she will not be deported anyway.

Your friend should consult with a family law attorney and see about getting an annulment.

If she has a key, he should change the locks on his home.

What is her status? Has the Adjustment of Status paperwork been filed?

Ray

If in ca, an anullment is a good choice. See marriage of Rabie. I won a couple of those cases. Annulment on fraud. Dont wus out like most of the american men in exchange for a dollar or two- you have to lose the case  to pay the ho. My cases were AM who got taken for a green card. Be prepared to pay about 10 grand on the case in attorney fees

[jm21-2]

$10k for an annulment? Damn am I in the wrong state.

Getting her served could be a royal PITA though.

Make sure he contacts USCIS and tries to get out from the affidavit of support. Other posters here have had luck with sending a letter to them laying out similar circumstances.

Why be sorry for the guy? He took his risk and now he'll take his punishment. It's not her fault that your friend was gullible enough to marry some young hottie who had ill intentions, and he probably got some benefit out of the deal. Next time maybe he will compare prices between hiring a 20yo escort and marrying a 20yo card shark.

A decent looking young girl will have no trouble finding guys to support her.

[Ray]

She has not had her adjustment of status or anything done, the only thing she did get done was the fingerprinting stuff.

Let me be more specific in my question about her current status.

Did he file the I-864 Affidavit of Support? If so, then he needs to take additional steps to have it revoked asap.

If yes, then an annulment may be better than a divorce.

Ray

[william3rd]

If in ca, an anullment is a good choice. See marriage of Rabie. I won a couple of those cases. Annulment on fraud. Dont wus out like most of the american men in exchange for a dollar or two- you have to lose the case  to pay the ho. My cases were AM who got taken for a green card. Be prepared to pay about 10 grand on the case in attorney fees

A properly done fraud case will take the 10K. Could go a little less-it's all billable hours.  Lots of witness interviewing and declarations plus a trial of one or more days.  Uncontested disso runs about 3500, paralegals less than a grand.

Problem with most of these hos is that the american man is such a puzzy he chickens out. she offers to waive spousal  support (which she is not entitled to if he wins and may not get even if he loses) and he rolls over like a little puppy to get his belly scratched and pees himself. Then tries to rationalize away the fact that he has no huevos.

[Ray]

What makes you think that the Bush administration was any better regarding immigration issues.

What makes you think that I think that?

If you had been reading this forum for a while, you would not make the mistake to ass-u-me that I ever praised the Bush administration on immigration issues. In fact, quite the contrary is true.

But hopefully the next administration will have the balls to uphold our immigration laws because it is quite obvious that Obama has no intention of doing so.

Ray

[Bob_S]

A properly done fraud case will take the 10K. Could go a little less-it's all billable hours.  Lots of witness interviewing and declarations plus a trial of one or more days.  Uncontested disso runs about 3500, paralegals less than a grand.

What is the benefit of an annulment based on fraud vs an uncontested divorce?

[william3rd]

the marriage underlying the green card is annulled-as if it had never been- on the basis of fraud. Marriage Fraud means alot in the land of immigration- like no natz and no green card. Permanent bar. . . . . .

[piglett]

like no natz and no green card. Permanent bar. . . . . .

WOW now that will fix her.....just watch out when she finds out, she mite not take the news too well 

piglett

[Ray]

What is the benefit of an annulment based on fraud vs an uncontested divorce?

With an annulment, there never was a marriage, like William said.

If there never was a legal marriage, then the Affidavit of Support, and everything else based on the marriage is no longer valid. She has no legal status to self-petition for Removal of Conditions, no right to spousal support, etc…

It essentially lets you off the hook.

Ray

[Howard]

akobuang,

Sorry to hear about your friend.  I'm sure he pushed past a red flag or two, but it's still a sad situation.

Wow, 10k for an annulment?  Glad I live in Michigan!

My first marriage was, well... let's just say doomed from the start.  When I laid the whole situation out for my lawyer, he suggested an Annulment based on irreconcilable differences.  I don't know if that is any easier because you don't have to prove fraud, but it worked for me.  A copy of the Annulment papers and a short letter explaining the situation got me released from my Affidavit of Support obligations.  Now mine was quite different, she at least cared about me.  She just cared more about her family in the Philippines.  She participated in the Annulment process and did everything my lawyer asked her to do to make things as easy as possible on both of us.  She had a two year Visa at the time - the AOS process was different in 2000 - and left to rejoin her family a few months after the Annulment was final, when her Visa expired.

That marriage was the worst two years of my LIFE! 

Thank GOD Gerlie saved me and has given me the best eight and counting

Good Luck with that

Keep the Faith!

H

[Jeff S]

Glad to hear you guys are still doing well Howard. It is interesting that even the guys here who end up getting divorced from their 1st Filipina wives, often go back for more and do great the second time around. Three or four long time posters here have that resume.

[z_k_g]

Hopefully 1st time will be a charm for me with my sweetie.

Zulu

[Ray]

Thank GOD Gerlie saved me and has given me the best eight and counting

WHAT??

Eight kids already and still counting? Damn your good H! What’s your secret?


Oh, sorry, did you mean eight years? OOPS!

Don’t be a stranger bud! I always enjoy your posts.

Any update on the 13th disciple?

Ray

[piglett]

Hopefully 1st time will be a charm for me with my sweetie.

Zulu

D I T T O !

piglett

[Dave H]

WHAT??

Eight kids already and still counting? Damn your good H! What’s your secret?


Ray

THANKS Ray,

Coke always taste better when it comes out of your nose...and covers your keyboard! 

Dave

[Ray]

Hey Dave,

That stupid avatar of yours is driving me nuts!!


               




 

[piglett]

Hey Dave,

That stupid avatar of yours is driving me nuts!!


               

Hey it's still better than the PURPLE THONG !!!!!!!!!




 

[Dave H]

Hey Dave,

That stupid avatar of yours is driving me nuts!!


               


 

Hey Ray,

You can only imagine what it is doing too me! I am going to have to do something about it ASAP!

Dave