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Title: Dennis Levy
Post by: LatinIntro on April 25, 2012, 10:11:30 AM
I heard Dennis Levy got mugged and may have been seriously or fatally injured in Medellin this morning from an unreliable source. Can anyone confirm or hopefully rectify this terrible news?
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on April 25, 2012, 11:11:09 AM
Wow.  that is absolutely awful, if true.  Hopefully he was only injured.  Keep us posted on what the hell has happened to dennislevy...by his accounts he had finally settled into a more secure lifestyle, so this is tragic, if it is accurate.  :(   I feel real bad for dennislevy. 


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Fuzzyone on April 25, 2012, 02:30:59 PM
I heard Dennis Levy got mugged and may have been seriously or fatally injured in Medellin this morning from an unreliable source. Can anyone confirm or hopefully rectify this terrible news?


  That would really suck the guy has traveled all over S.A. and finally settled down to have this happen to him? I don't believe it I think it is all B.S.!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on April 25, 2012, 03:25:41 PM
I heard Dennis Levy got mugged and may have been seriously or fatally injured in Medellin this morning from an unreliable source. Can anyone confirm or hopefully rectify this terrible news?


Well I'd be curious to know more about who has originated this information, because I just read on another site that dennislevy was dead, that was coming from a guy who claims to be 'btb', of all people.  the circumstances seemed rather suspicious though, and I have a hard time believing it would go down the way that source claims it did.   I don't know though, I'm not seeing anybody step forward here and say they have spoke or contacted Dennislevy today, and he has quite a few friends, so that is a troubling sign.     


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: LatinIntro on April 25, 2012, 03:57:02 PM
Unfortunately, it seems this terrible news is true. I received a call early this morning from a lady member asking if I had contact information for Dennis' family in the states. She informed me that Dennis had been shot in a mugging. I just received another call from a friend of Dennis confirming that Dennis was mugged at gunpoint, refused to hand over what he had, and was fatally shot.


I got to know Dennis pretty well during his initiation in Colombia. I had not spoken to him in recent years but I know he was a pillar of support and information for many people in this board and for north americans travelling to Colombia. His passing will leave a void in our  lives.


If I can be of any assistance to friends or family here in Bogota, my email is nelson@latinintro.com and my personal usa number is 305-767-4474.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mudd on April 25, 2012, 04:09:54 PM
wow that sucks!!!!!!!  i tell everybody here, medellin is a dangerous city,  but nobody listens.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Researcher on April 25, 2012, 05:20:31 PM



     Sorry to hear it. Bad news for sure.

    Researcher
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on April 25, 2012, 05:59:15 PM
Dennis & I never seem to like each other, but I wouldn't want him to be killed.  I am deeply sorry for the loss of a good man who had helped many people .....
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on April 25, 2012, 06:02:38 PM
wow that sucks!!!!!!!  i tell everybody here, medellin is a dangerous city,  but nobody listens.
well mudd obviously this is a terrible evidence for what you have been preaching.


now i don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but just yesterday dennislevy casually mentioned on the board that he had up to 10000pesos at times with his wife, that is a helluva lot of money in colombia, and if a bandit somehow got hold of that information i could easily see a scenario like the one latinintro said happened...but still you gotta let go of the wallet in colombia when confronted, these robbers are just vicious/heartless....


poor dennis. 
Fathertime!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on April 25, 2012, 06:06:57 PM
well mudd obviously this is a terrible evidence for what you have been preaching.


now i don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but just yesterday dennislevy casually mentioned on the board that he had up to 10000pesos at times with his wife, that is a helluva lot of money in colombia, and if a bandit somehow got hold of that information i could easily see a scenario like the one latinintro said happened...but still you gotta let go of the wallet in colombia when confronted, these robbers are just vicious/heartless....


poor dennis. 
Fathertime!


"refused to hand over what he had, and was fatally shot"   seems more than just small money in the wallet.  We cannot say why he was mugged  (was it a random?  or was they pissed off at him?) and WHERE exactly in Medellin was he mugged?  obviously not from busy road???   Walk alone at night ???   









Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on April 25, 2012, 06:07:58 PM
wow that sucks!!!!!!!  i tell everybody here, medellin is a dangerous city,  but nobody listens.


Yes but you are living there!!!  Your not listening to yourself too!!!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mudd on April 25, 2012, 06:17:52 PM
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now i don't know if it is a coincidence or not, but just yesterday dennislevy casually mentioned on the board that he had up to 10000pesos at times with his wife, that is a helluva lot of money in colombia, and if a bandit somehow got hold of that information i could easily see a scenario like the one latinintro said happened...but still you gotta let go of the wallet in colombia when confronted, these robbers are just vicious/heartless...


most likely, and im just speculating from past muggings/ robberies in medellin. somebody was probably watching him, either for 30 min, or a week.  you can be in  a mall, at the store buying something and somebody is watching you and your a walking target when you leave, or somebody talked/ blabbed or bragged about $$$ and somebody targeted him.  i doubt he was dumb enough to be wearing fancy clothes or jewelry living there.


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Yes but you are living there!!!  Your not listening to yourself too!!!


havent lived there in quite a while, with good reason, just too unpredictable and too many robberies for my liking.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Micky on April 25, 2012, 06:26:11 PM
So typical of some here on P-L.  You do not have enough home training,  let me help you.  Say something nice or STFU!
 
Micky
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Fuzzyone on April 25, 2012, 06:40:49 PM
So typical of some here on P-L.  You do not have enough home training,  let me help you.  Say something nice or STFU!
 
Micky


   I for one am hoping this is all B.S., I enjoyed tweeking him but never in a million years wanting something like this to happen. Dennis himself admitted he just went to the other side "He got married" Dennis never deserved this and this just plain sucks. I hope they get the F*ck who did this!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on April 25, 2012, 06:57:54 PM

most likely, and im just speculating from past muggings/ robberies in medellin. somebody was probably watching him, either for 30 min, or a week.  you can be in  a mall, at the store buying something and somebody is watching you and your a walking target when you leave, or somebody talked/ blabbed or bragged about $$$ and somebody targeted him.  i doubt he was dumb enough to be wearing fancy clothes or jewelry living there.



well I imagine dennislevy would be an obvious non-native and with that comes quite a bit of extra risk.  it seems pretty clear that keeping an extra low profile in colombia is how you play it safe.  this event certainly gives me second thoughts about returning.


Fathertime!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Researcher on April 25, 2012, 07:07:36 PM
So typical of some here on P-L.  You do not have enough home training,  let me help you.  Say something nice or STFU!
 
Micky

 Hey Micky have you heard anything?

     Researcher
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Micky on April 25, 2012, 07:32:27 PM
If and when I find something of the truth,  I will post it.  A very rare commodity here and I will not repeat hearsay and speculation.  He did call me last week and we had cafe two weeks ago.  I do not know Gloria's number,  just her approx location in the barrio where her family lives.  I will walk the area tomorrow to see if I can find her and see if there is anything I can do.  I have doubts about what was posted here earlier and also doubts about the post over on GT,  and have valid reasons.  Nothing huge,  but a few things that I do not believe to be correct.
 
Micky
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: AndyLee on April 25, 2012, 07:33:49 PM
I am very sorry to hear this news. I had not talked to Dennis for several months but he did send me a notice of his marriage to Gloria in Medellin. He told me he knew Gloria for 2 years and was very pleased with his decision to marry her.
Today at 3 pm I received an email notice of his death, then I saw LatinIntro's post on P-L confirming the death, and now at 8:20 I have received a letter through Facebook from Gloria notifying all Dennis' friends that it is indeed true that Dennis has died.
I have searched Google, El Tiempo and El Colombiano and I watched the national news but saw no mention of it.
I am still not convinced that it is not some sort of crazy joke, but I have to think that I have three sources telling me this is true. I think if it were not true Dennis would have posted somewhere by now.
God Bless Dennis and Gloria, I feel a great sadness. I did not know Dennis very well, mostly through his posts on P-L, but I did learn a lot from his advice about traveling in Colombia and about dating Colombian women. I wish him well wherever he is.
Andy Lee
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John Q. Public on April 25, 2012, 07:38:58 PM
Sorry to hear this news.
I'm a new member & Mr. Levy welcomed me over in the Introduction/Icebreaker
section last night.
JQP
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mambocowboy on April 25, 2012, 09:18:59 PM
This is awful news. It sounded like he'd finally found his love after years of looking...My condolences to his wife and son...May he rest in peace...
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: singlefather no more on April 25, 2012, 09:52:18 PM
 
I agree with Micky. This sounds like a sick joke. Someone emailed me the thread. I just read this and I am trying to contact Dennis right now. I cannot believe this. He was always talking about his wife and how she was always waiting for him and how much she loved him. People like to make fun of him but all he ever wanted was to be in love and to be happy.


I read another site and Btb is posting a lot of details of what happened at the scene that I am not going to repeat. How does he know all these details when nobody can confirm this. Btb why do you not post it here ? If Btb talked to Gloria why does he not post that. Has anyone talked to or contacted the US Embassy ?
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: JaxPaul24 on April 25, 2012, 10:51:37 PM
It's hit the news now.  Very sad to hear.... RIP Dennis.

http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/A/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado.asp?CodSeccion=211 (http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/A/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado.asp?CodSeccion=211)

Tourist killed in a hostel of The Town

A U.S. citizen identified as Denis Ian Levy, 49 years old, was killed on Wednesday morning in a hostel in the district the village.   The tourist was hit by a bullet in the chest and was found in the room he was staying.  Officials said three people who stayed at the place from Tuesday night are the alleged perpetrators of the murder.

The Metropolitan Police Commander, General Yesid Vázquez Prada said that the perpetrators entered the room of New York and after a struggle was dealt the killing.

Levy, who was two months in the city, was taken to the village of Medellín Clinic, but died before being seen.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on April 26, 2012, 06:37:45 AM
It's hit the news now.  Very sad to hear.... RIP Dennis.

http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/A/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado.asp?CodSeccion=211 (http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/A/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado/asesinado_turista_en_un_hostal_de_el_poblado.asp?CodSeccion=211)

Tourist killed in a hostel of The Town

A U.S. citizen identified as Denis Ian Levy, 49 years old, was killed on Wednesday morning in a hostel in the district the village.   The tourist was hit by a bullet in the chest and was found in the room he was staying.  Officials said three people who stayed at the place from Tuesday night are the alleged perpetrators of the murder.

The Metropolitan Police Commander, General Yesid Vázquez Prada said that the perpetrators entered the room of New York and after a struggle was dealt the killing.

Levy, who was two months in the city, was taken to the village of Medellín Clinic, but died before being seen.


??????  Are they sure it is the right Denis Levy???
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: thekfc on April 26, 2012, 07:15:57 AM
I was hoping that this wasn't true but it looks like it may be. Here is another news report.


http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/23696-us-tourist-killed-in-medellin-colombia-.html (http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/23696-us-tourist-killed-in-medellin-colombia-.html)


A U.S. tourist was killed Wednesday in a robbery in a hostel in Colombia's second largest city, Medellin.

Colombian newspaper El Colombiano said 49-year-old Denis Ian Levy died in a hostel in Medellin's El Poblado district, after receiving a gunshot wound to the chest.

The report said the murder occurred after two women and one man entered a hostel located near the corner of Calle 7 and Carrera 35 - which corresponds with Medellin's famous Casa Kiwi hostel - and registered as guests shortly after midnight.

Medellin Police Commander Yesid Vasquez told the paper, "they searched the tourist's room [...] they asked him to open a box in which they found 20,000 pesos ($11.36) and that's when the problem started."

A struggle followed during which Levy was fatal shot and the suspects fled with Levy's valuables.

An anonymous source told Colombia Reports that the assailants did not register with the hostel and that the hostel's receptionist went upstairs to look for more money because the hostel only had 20,000 pesos in it's lock box.

According to the source, Levy was using a computer in the reception area when the assailants asked for his wristwatch. He resisted, began to scream, and was fatally shot twice.

Director of El Pobaldo's bar district told El Colombiano, "We need more control and police presence because [El Pobaldo] is the highlight of Medellin and what happens here affects the city on an international level."


Hope that Micky or someone down there can fill us in/confirm.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John Q. Public on April 26, 2012, 07:20:14 AM
Where was Dennis' wife during the altercation?
JQP
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Jamie on April 26, 2012, 08:36:40 AM
It’s sad what happened to Dennis. I suppose most people on here who live in Colombia have met Dennis as I had. I never understood some of the arguments some had with him. Like most arguments on here, if those persons had met each other in person they would less likely have any hostility towards each other. Dennis did things his way and there are always risk (but not necessarily death) when we take a less used path.
 
I find it strange that he resisted giving up values to a robber. I would think he would have known better. However, any information from Colombia even on the news should be regarded as questionable. Just because someone said he resisted does not mean that happened.


It is common knowledge that when you stay in low cost rooms you receive less security. Robberies at urban hostels are not unusual. Being married, it also seems strange that he was still staying in hostels instead of with his wife.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dan on April 26, 2012, 09:40:27 AM
Folks,

It now seems the sad news of Dennis Levy's murder is true. I have made this topic a 'sticky' so that anyone who wishes may pay their tributes to Dennis.

My sincere condolences to Dennis' family and friends.

R.I.P.

- Dan
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: raycjs on April 26, 2012, 10:01:17 AM
to Dennis and his family may he RIP
 
 
 
Ray
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: thekfc on April 26, 2012, 10:10:17 AM
I didn't want to believe it but it looks like the sad news is true.


My condolences to the Levy family & friends.


R.I.P.



Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John Q. Public on April 26, 2012, 10:22:50 AM
So apparently his wife wasn't with him & he
was staying in a hostel(?!).
I echo what Jamie said, that is strange.
Anyway, my condolences to Dennis & family.
JQP
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mudd on April 26, 2012, 10:34:10 AM
doesnt make sense to me either, why would he be staying in a hostel when he is married??? but its medellin, nothing there makes sense. sad sad day for his family.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Kiltboy1 on April 26, 2012, 11:15:12 AM
This is bad news
I thought Dennis was older then 49. Is it possible that this is a different guy and why was he at a Hostal when he was married?
 
KB
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: InnocentVixen on April 26, 2012, 11:21:24 AM
I didn't post yesterday because I thought it was too much drama to be true, I still hope it's a misunderstanding because things don't sound quite right but sometimes things like this happens I guess, if it's true this is very sad news... descanse en paz... if it's not what a sick joke and my feelings remain, RIP.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Researcher on April 26, 2012, 11:22:17 AM


       I met Dennis some years back. I was engaged to my wife so that part of my journey was over but he had just arrived and was beginning his. We talked about Colombia and foreign women in general. I was glad to see that he got to travel Colombia and other parts of SA but it is sad that his journey ended the way it did.

     My condolences to his family.

    Researcher
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John Q. Public on April 26, 2012, 11:53:23 AM
This is bad news
I thought Dennis was older then 49. Is it possible that this is a different guy and why was he at a Hostal when he was married?
 
KB

I think I read on another thread that he said
he was 59 & his wife 55.
His name was misspelt too but that wouldn't be the
1st time a news source got their info wrong.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dan on April 26, 2012, 12:08:14 PM
Re: Age disparity in the newspaper. I suspect it is merely a bit of sloppy reporting - unfortunately.

Re: Dennis' wife's whereabouts and staying at a hostel, etc. The simple truth of it is that none of that matters - except to satisfy curiosities. This topic should be about paying one's respects for Dennis and recognizing his life. Speculation and 2nd-guessing or other such nonsense is disrespectful. Please keep your comments respectful.

Thanks.

- Dan
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on April 26, 2012, 12:21:59 PM
rest in peace dennislevy.  you will be missed by everyone.


Fathertime!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on April 26, 2012, 12:46:36 PM
RIP Dennis and many condolences to his family & friends and those who knew him


Sad that you will not be around when I will prove you wrong about our arguments 2 years ago. 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Bob_S on April 26, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
Well, damn.  That just sucks.  I was hoping he'd be able to morph into the Dave H of Colombia, livin' the dream in-country with his best gal by his side.  I'll miss his contributions to the forum.  My sympathies to his family.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: singlefather no more on April 26, 2012, 01:28:44 PM



Man o man this is hard to believe. It was not long ago that he left Chiclayo to go back to Gloria. I did not meet Dennis in person until last fall when he came to Chiclayo. I got to know Dennis in person quite well. This is very sad and my condolences go to his Wife and his son. I remember sitting with him before he left Chiclayo. He said he had been traveling for many months but he realized the woman he loved was his wife.


Whenever I visited Dennis he would always be on the computer in the reception area of whatever hostel he was staying at. Dennis loved to walk all around the city and talk to everybody. It is such a tragedy that shortly after he got married to his love this happened.


RIP Dennis.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Jeff S on April 26, 2012, 05:52:11 PM
Major shocker. Goodbye Dennis - sad to see just as he was turning a new chapter this happened.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on April 26, 2012, 06:41:27 PM
 
A real tragedy indeed!
 
 
Dennis and his wife are in my prayers...
 
 
(http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sad049.gif)
 
 
Ray
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on April 26, 2012, 06:56:55 PM
I didn't know Dennis really well, mostly from his posts on various forums, and a few emails, but we did share a coffee together (yes, just coffee) and so he was very real to me ...

I'm very saddened and troubled by his death, especially at this time and in that way, and my heart goes out to his wife Gloria, his family, and friends. 

It's particularly sad and sobering for those of us with Colombian wives or novias, who may be living in Colombia, or who may just be thinking of traveling and/or retiring there ... life is cheap in Colombia, and you never know what could happen, no matter how experienced you are.

Dennis always had a kind word for me and for Nazly, in fact that was one of the last things he posted on this site the night before he died.  I've never understood the depth of dislike some of his detractors had.  Dennis always seemed to me to be a straightforward guy, who told of his life in Colombia in much detail (maybe too much for some), and honestly tried to impart advice.

He made no bones about the fact that he enjoyed dating lot's of women, that he enjoyed speaking with them, having coffees and lunches, and learning the culture from them.  And occassionally, if they both wanted, more than just coffee.  He wasn't working, had a lot of time on his hands, and I think this was basically his passion, hobby, and way of learning Spanish ... until he'd had enough after 2 or 3 years and decided to settle down.  I chose to take him at his word on that ... others just seemed to get inflamed about it.

He also detailed his expenses in many of his posts, which were always modest as I believe he was trying to live within a relatively modest pension.  Some people, instead of finding this information to be useful, chose instead to consider him cheap. 

It's truly a sad day, I will remember Dennis, and I'm not sure I'll be able to look at Colombia the same way again.

Bendiciones amigo ...
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: no comment on April 26, 2012, 07:05:35 PM
Rest in peace, vaya con dios.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mambocowboy on April 26, 2012, 07:47:07 PM
I didn't know Dennis really well, mostly from his posts on various forums, and a few emails, but we did share a coffee together (yes, just coffee) and so he was very real to me ...

I'm very saddened and troubled by his death, especially at this time and in that way, and my heart goes out to his wife Gloria, his family, and friends. 

It's particularly sad and sobering for those of us with Colombian wives or novias, who may be living in Colombia, or who may just be thinking of traveling and/or retiring there ... life is cheap in Colombia, and you never know what could happen, no matter how experienced you are.

Dennis always had a kind word for me and for Nazly, in fact that was one of the last things he posted on this site the night before he died.  I've never understood the depth of dislike some of his detractors had.  Dennis always seemed to me to be a straightforward guy, who told of his life in Colombia in much detail (maybe too much for some), and honestly tried to impart advice.

He made no bones about the fact that he enjoyed dating lot's of women, that he enjoyed speaking with them, having coffees and lunches, and learning the culture from them.  And occassionally, if they both wanted, more than just coffee.  He wasn't working, had a lot of time on his hands, and I think this was basically his passion, hobby, and way of learning Spanish ... until he'd had enough after 2 or 3 years and decided to settle down.  I chose to take him at his word on that ... others just seemed to get inflamed about it.

He also detailed his expenses in many of his posts, which were always modest as I believe he was trying to live within a relatively modest pension.  Some people, instead of finding this information to be useful, chose instead to consider him cheap. 

It's truly a sad day, I will remember Dennis, and I'm not sure I'll be able to look at Colombia the same way again.

Bendiciones amigo ...
He was always positive and welcoming to new members here, and open enough that he even used his real name as his screen name...His contributions to this forum will be missed....For me as someone who will be marrying in Colombia and visiting my wife's family repeatedly, this serves as a sobering reminder of how dangerous a place it can be.....
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Zon on April 27, 2012, 03:32:29 AM
I knew Dennis.  He was an adventurer and one that LIVED LIFE FULL.  I think he lived more in his last 3 years than most men live in 3 life times.

RIP with no regrets.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Sailover on April 27, 2012, 11:41:09 AM
Dreadful news. Dennis and I had our differences, but he said what he meant and lived the way he wanted. Via con Dios Denny and deep condolences to Gloria.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John W on April 27, 2012, 01:26:08 PM
This is socking and very sad.  I never met Dennis but had a lot of respect for him and greatly appreciated his informative posts and willingness to help others.  According to this report on Fox News Latino, Dennis died trying to assist the receptionist at the hostel who was being beaten during a  robbery. 

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/#ixzz1tF9yA5Sj (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/#ixzz1tF9yA5Sj)
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: InnocentVixen on April 27, 2012, 02:59:22 PM
but we did share a coffee together (yes, just coffee) and so he was very real to me ...
Even when he stopped posting for a long time, whenever someone talked about having "coffee" it reminded me of him and I didn't even met the guy in person or had any interaction with him other than the forum  ;D  it became a bit like his personal signature
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: charlie640 on April 27, 2012, 06:24:23 PM
I was deeply shocked by the news.  VERY tragic.  He will be sorely missed !  I met him at LAI a few years back, just before he decided to live their full time.  I wanted to meet him while I was in MED last month but sadly we never hooked up. 


If the killer is not caught soon, we should give serious consideration to starting a reward fund and publicizing the Reward.   The other 2 members of the gang of 3 that did not pull the trigger might rat out the killer if the $$$$  is tempting enough.  Someone of impeccable character, living in Colombia, should be the one to head this reward effort.   I for one will be a big donor.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Chris F on April 27, 2012, 06:39:24 PM
He lived his dream on his terms. He did what most men would never dream of doing in their lives .
RIP Dennis
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dan Las Vegas on April 27, 2012, 07:43:41 PM
I just got off a flight from New york and saw the news and I'm stunned,  RIP Dennis Levy
הזיכרון עשוי להיות ברכה
Dan Las Vegas
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: zack on April 28, 2012, 06:17:00 AM
I am shocked and deeply troubled by this. I send my thoughts, prayers, and sincere condolences to his wife, family, and friends.


Zack
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Bob_S on April 28, 2012, 05:10:37 PM
He was an adventurer and one that LIVED LIFE FULL.  I think he lived more in his last 3 years than most men live in 3 life times.
Very true.  Both to his credit and as a sad commentary on the modern western male that's willing to settle for so much less.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: aconcepts on April 28, 2012, 05:35:25 PM
That is why you have to go for it. Just do it. There is genius in boldness.


Research, place your bet, put one foot in front of the other and see where your body follows. Break some nails, chip some teeth, cause you never know when the fat lady is gonna sing.


When I feel that I am not where I want to be because I told someone I would do what I don't want to do I am not mad because I am doing it, I am mad because I did not set it up so when i was doing it I wanted to be doing it. The art of living is: wanting to do the things you have to do! Which leads to having to do the things you want to do!  I said that!


Live Live Live! Cuz you never know when you are going to die.


So don't run down there and grab one, rather walk down there and grab em all!


Some of you know what I mean...
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dan Las Vegas on April 29, 2012, 03:13:25 PM
no matter what your personal differences with  Dennis Levy, at least he had the guts to get on a plane and live his dream for the past three years, which is far more than most.  I thought that this quote was quite apt.
"Here's to the Crazy Ones. The misfits. The rebels. The trouble-makers. The round pegs in the square holes.
The ones who see things differently. They're not fond of rules, and they have no respect for the status-quo.
You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify, or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore
them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them
as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think
they can change the world - are the ones who DO!"
~ Apple Computer ~
Vaya con dios Dennis, a little  bit of all of our dreams died with you.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: dtibbet on April 29, 2012, 10:55:05 PM
Wow, very sadden by this news. A friend in Bogota told me he read on the net. I did not know Dennis, other than him writing  a few helpful things on my post. I also, enjoy reading the many post he offered us on this site .Rest in peace!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: CeeTeeEnn on April 29, 2012, 11:30:35 PM
We may have had our differences but this news has left me feeling utterly appalled. RIP Dennis Levy.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: V_Man on April 30, 2012, 12:41:52 AM
I'm shocked! I just got back from my second trip to Colombia to read this very sad news. I never met Dennis in person but we always got along well on this site. I found his posts very informative. He offered to help me personally if we ever met in person which was most generous. I never took him up on his kind offer simply because I didn't need his help. However it is an example that he was generous and helpful to many.
RIP


Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: aconcepts on April 30, 2012, 09:45:21 AM
Excellent post Dan... I count myself as one of the crazy ones...


here is a an appropriate quote from the series Kung Fu - "You honor dead Buddhas, but why do you not honor live ones?"
- Kwai Chan Cain
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: charlie640 on May 01, 2012, 10:57:28 AM
I heard from a friend of my Novia in BOG that there was a different version told on the BOG TV news, and it was less than complementry.  Did anyone based in COL hear anything about that?  Personally I think it is BS, an attempt to put the blame on the gringo. The real story will only be known after they arrest the killers.   
 
Was also told that there is a new law that will first take effect in BOG that will take away all privately owned legal guns.  Unless they also institute a mandatory 20 year sentence for violators this wont do a damn thing.  I think the NRA should open a branch office in COL.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Cherub on May 01, 2012, 01:15:33 PM

Hello,
I'm new on this forum and this is my first post.
I have joined the forum and am posting to refute the drivel that has been perpetrated on us by someone pretending to be one of Dennis' two ex-wives.
I have lived in Colombia 3 years and have known Dennis Levy for two years both on line and personally. He visited my home several times and we've chatted frequently online and by phone. My wife and children think the world of him, not because he's so "charming and beguiling" as promoted by the letter, but because he was a very pleasant and friendly man and he had very good stories to tell about his travels throughout Latin America. His Spanish was very good for a gringo and his twinkling blue eyes and lop sided grin and his command of the language and good intellect made him a good story teller. We all enjoyed listening to him.
He was gainfully employed all of his life until he sold his cedar products dealership in 2007-2008. He was a member of the Mormon Church for 25 years and both of his ex-wives and his one son by his first marriage are Mormons. During his time with the Mormon Church he served as a Bishop for several years. The person who posted the "letter" used the name of Dennis's first wife by mistake or by intention, who knows. Dennis was married to her for 18 years. Incidentally, he was married much longer than 2 months to his second wife, for whatever that is worth.
I've sat for several hours at a time talking with Dennis and I am confident that he was not ADHD. He had a lot of interests and a very quick mind, but he could stick to a topic until he would bore the crap out of you if you weren't all that interested in it to begin with. 
Dennis was frugal but not a cheapskate. He never hesitated to pick up the tab when he and I were out somewhere. He especially enjoyed coffee and pan de queso, provided the coffee was strong and the pan was fresh and hot.
He was on a limited budget and would walk a mile to the bus stop carrying three suitcases rather than pay a taxi 5000 pesos.  He stayed in hostels because they were cheap but he always insisted they be clean and comfortable and safe. He abhorred the idea of paying for an expensive hotel.
Dennis was a seasoned traveler, probably more widely traveled than most, if not all, of his detractors on these Colombian forums. The list of towns and cities he visited in Latin America would fill a whole page.
The idea that he would put himself in danger to save a few pesos is ludicrous. He was one of the most safety conscious gringos I've met since I've lived here. It was rumored that he carried huge sums of money but, in fact he  would never carry 10,000,000 pesos on his person without first going to a police station and asking for an escort. That's what he advised me to do if i was ever to withdraw large sums from an ATM and I know other gringos who have done it that way at times.
Dennis carried a typical bifold imitation leather wallet that would probably hold 400,000 pesos comfortably and that is the amount you get from most ATMs in this country; the exception being Davivienda for 720,000 and Servibanca for 780,000. If you want to you can withdraw up to 1,000,000 each day at Bancolombia by doing two 400,000 withdrawals and one 200,000 withdrawall, keeping in mind that the ATM charge applies separately to each of the 3 transactions.
Dennis and Gloria have been a romantic item for two years. During that time he continued to travel in Ecuador and Peru but during the last few months he actually stopped dating women and spent a lot of time thinking about whether to commit to a marriage with Gloria. At one time Dennis was thinking about doing a Conjugal Visa but he gave up the idea when it began to look like he would marry Gloria. BTW, Gloria was not the woman involved at the time Dennis was considering the Conjugal Visa.
While he was living in Peru before returning to Medellin to marry Gloria he would chat with me about his feelings for Gloria and about the conflicts he felt between wanting to marry her and wanting to remain free to travel and live as he had been doing. I like to think that the advice and counsel I gave him over that several months contributed to his eventual decision to return to Colombia and marry Gloria. Dennis in turn was very willing to talk with me for hours about any challenges or concerns I was having in my own inter-cultural marriage.
Gloria had her own place that was not adequate for the two of them so they found a new apartment to rent together. They planned to move into the new apartment when they returned from Bogota. Their financial arrangement was very straightforward. They agreed to split living expenses 50-50. My guess is that each would have to pay about 1,500,000 monthly for the middle class lifestyle they both enjoyed.
They were staying at the hostel the night he died because they were planning to leave early the next morning for the trip to Bogota so Dennis could apply for his Spousal Visa. Any money he had on him would have been sufficient for that trip so I'm guessing he had less than 1,000,000 pesos on him or in his luggage.
Dennis always distributed money so that he would have a small wad to hand over if a robbery ever happened to him. I follow his advice and split my money three ways; 1/3 in my left pocket or sock cuff, 1/3 in my right pocket or sock cuff and 1/3 in my wallet or left rear pocket. The wallet is worth about 10,000 pesos and I would freely give it up with all its contents if a gun or knife was pointed at me by an assailant AND SO WOULD DENNIS. He would have also been very willing to part with his watch, a cheap Timex with a faux black leather band. Dennis and I both carry color copies of our passports and visas in our wallets rather than carry the real deal in the event of it being lost, stolen or taken.
Denise was 58 (he would be 59 on May 14). He dated all over Colombia and his demographic was 35 to 55 year old women without children or with grown children. He did not chase teenagers and was always a bit annoyed when some gorgeous young 20-something would want to chat him up online. He was not the least bit interested in trading money for a sexy romp with someone half his age.
He usually met women on one of the dating sites like Colombian Cupid and would chat with them online and then on Skype so he could use the web cam. He was very careful not to hookup with women who appeared to be stupid and uneducated or with those who seemed to have some ulterior motive. He was very good at weeding out the women that were not right for him.
If he felt there was a mutual chemical attraction online and on video cam with a woman he would plan to visit her city and meet her. He made it very clear to women that if the attraction was not there during their first meeting for coffee then the arrangement would end right there.
Dennis boasted to me one time that he had met almost 300 women for coffee over a 3 year period, but he wound up having a relationship with only a fraction of them. I agree that 300 first dates over a 3 year time frame is a lot by American standards, but here in Colombia you could meet that many in a few weeks if you were a hustler.
His frugality pertained to "first dates" too. He had a personal rule not to spend more than 50,000 for a first date and most of them were more like 5,000 to 10,000. If the chemistry wasn't there and the relationship did not happen then he just called his first date a fun lunch or dinner and let it go at that.
Quite frankly we will never ever know the full truth about how and why he died. I have read so many rumors. One said he was stealing something from someone and they shot him. Another said he was in his room and three people forced their way in and he was shot during the scuffle. Another said he was on the Internet at the reception area in the hotel and three people robbed the hotel and were beating the girl at the desk and he intervened on her behalf. One report said he was shot in the stomach, another said in the chest and another said in the thorax. One report said he was shot once, other reports said he was shot twice.
The time of death was shortly after midnight according to the police interview on Fox News. Dennis' last post on one of the Colombian forums was just a few minutes before midnight. So, my guess is he actually was online at the time of his death and since he did not carry his laptop with him (for fear it would be stolen) I am willing to believe that he actually was using the computer at the hotel.
Everything is speculation and most of what has been written in the negative about Dennis has been written by people who have an axe to grind, either with Dennis or with the forum they are posting on or with life in general.
Dennis was well over 6 feet tall and close to 300 pounds. He could be very intimidating and aggressive in his own right. He was not apt to back down from an argument and he had a tendency to always want to be right. So, it may be entirely true that he fought with his assailants, either in self defense or in defense of the girl.
Maybe he was even protecting Gloria from the assailants. She was with him when he died. She was able to get him to the medical clinic only a few blocks away but not in time.
My hope is that Gloria will eventually write down the whole story and post it online so the naysayers can know the story from her perspective. She is a good woman of good family with a good financial position. She truly cares for Dennis and was not in any way, shape, form or fashion setting him up to rip him off. If she wanted to rip him off she would have shown her colors way back in the beginning of the relationship.
So, I hope I have put some rumors to rest and I hope I have made a point that Dennis had some faults, just as the rest of us do. He was a good man and he had a lot of friends here and in the US who will miss him. Even now a week later I just today had a thought about something that I would like to have emailed him a question, but it's not possible to get advice from him anymore. Rest in peace Dennis and Good Luck to Gloria.
Cherub

Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on May 01, 2012, 04:58:48 PM
Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed post, Cherub.


This sounds exactly like the Dennis I met briefly in real life (just 1 hour over coffee), and over his many posts and a few emails.


I hope Gloria will one day be able to tell us a little more about what actually transpired when he was shot.


It's not going to be the same around here without him.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on May 01, 2012, 05:23:41 PM
I have joined the forum and am posting to refute the drivel that has been perpetrated on us by someone pretending to be one of Dennis' two ex-wives.


Huh?
 
I'm sorry, but which "drivel" are you speaking of?
 
Did I miss something? I don't recall reading any posts by someone claiming to be his ex-wife...??
 
 
Ray
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: charlie640 on May 01, 2012, 06:17:39 PM
Thank you Cherub, that is the Dennis that I knew as well.  We will all miss him dearly.


The post from the alleged ex-wife  occurred on Gringos.com and was deleted.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on May 01, 2012, 08:15:23 PM

It almost looks like you made this post in order to start a disagreement.  I will post 3 statements that are very different than the ones dennislevy made to us.  , What you say is not inaccurate because I say it is inaccurate, but because they are opposite of what dennislevy said. 
 
Very recently, dennislevy told the forum that a conversation DID take place between his final wife and himself about a visa based on conjuntal visits.  He said he told his wife that it wouldn’t be right and it would be breaking the law.    Now you are saying that conversation took place with another woman.  I've provided several quotes to back up what DENNIS said, and refute the statements you just made,
 1. about his size, 2. the duration of his second marriage, 3. the conversations regarding conjugal visa's occurring with his wife, NOT another woman. 





  Incidentally, he was married much longer than 2 months to his second wife, for whatever that is worth.
   . At one time Dennis was thinking about doing a Conjugal Visa but he gave up the idea when it began to look like he would marry Gloria. BTW, Gloria was not the woman involved at the time Dennis was considering the Conjugal Visa.
 
Dennis was well over 6 feet tall and close to 300 pounds. He could be very intimidating and aggressive in his own right. He was not apt to back 
Cherub
Single father:

i enjoyed talking with you a couple of nights ago, I talked with Rocky last night and he said that he had just gotten off the phone with you.  You're a good guy, a really good guy and you know that you need to move on.  All of us on the board have been there (the crushing death of a beloved wife,like you, a marriage that lasted 62 days--and 14 hours, "if you count the loose change" like me).  I can't imagine the grief that you have felt afte rlosing your wife. 

It took me a year to get over my last American marital venture and I'm getting on the plane on January 16.  There was something I did that moved me from depressed to happy, i bought non refundable plane tickets!  Even if you go this summer,let me suggest you buy the tickets now.  Jamie's agency in Baranquilla or Bogota, put them in a hat and pick one, there is no perfect choice, but if you analyze this 40 ways to the ace (like a lot of guys do) it gets harder and harder to get on the plane.

Go for it!

Regards
Dennis   


Gents:

Thank you for all the advice, some of it was thoughtful and some of it was rather funny. I liked the list that singlefather sent and I particularly want to thank Sean for his thoughtful comments.

I am what Fathertime described as an older decent guy, 54, bald as an egg, 5'10 235 with a friendly face and a lot of experience with American girls when I was younger, but not very much in the last 25 years, 22 1/2 of them in a first marriage. 

Of the last 40 months, I've spent 38 of them as a single man (I'm recovering from a 2006  marriage of 62 days and 14 hours (if you count the loose change) to an American woman. She paid for the divorce and she didn't want anything, just to be free, and it was my fault, while we dated, there were enough red flags for a May Day parade at the Kremlin, I just didn't understand how "complex" her pathology was (until well after it was over) I was just too much in love. 

I'm going to Bogota in mid January for three weeks, looking between 36 and 52 and they have to have a full time job, to make my list for possible first citas. The LLM agency sales man (Jim Southard, a guy some of you may you know) says he'll look out for me, make sure I don't date any sharks.   He's had nothing but good things to say about the women I'm corresponding with so far--and I told him that if I even looked interested in any woman under 36 (and I think that is still way too young for me) he was allowed to "pick me up by my ankes and smack my head against the wall."

I am concerned about the language barrier, and I've got three months of studying conversational Spanish every night under my belt. We'll see what happens.

If anyone wants to add anything to this thread, go ahead. Thanks again to all the guys on the board who wrote. I'll try to post trip reports as often as possible, if anyone wants to talk with me while I'm there (1/16-2/6), just say so on the PL latin board, leave a telephone number where I can call you, the agency gives free calls to the US.

Vaya con dios, caballeros!

Dennis     



Once again, she NEVER asked me to pay for a false conjugal visa....Last summer she offered one without charge because she wanted to keep me in Colombia.


The story about me wanting to pay her for a false visa was  concocted by a cyber wing nut who had been banned and then was posted by the other guy.....who so frequently is assumed to be your.....clone.....


jejejeje


When I explained to her the consequences of a false conjugal visa, she understood it wasn t the right thing to do. And I wasnt ready to live with her and to make the commitment for a real visa.


I left Colombia for Ecuador and Peru, we  chatted almost every day for close to seven months and when I came back, I loved her as much as she had always loved me.


And we are now married.


As far as I know, sometimes people are banned with all their information showing but they are unable to post or send PMs, and other board members are not aware that that person has been banned.



How can you explain the discrepancy between what you are say now and what dennislevy was saying when he was alive?  It calls into question a lot of the other things you said about him being a Bishop and whatnot.  With all due respect, are you sure you are not another poster, just yanking chains, like 1/2 the other 'new' posters I've seen suddenly emerge on other forums.  I mean you gotta understand you posted a lot of stuff that Dennislevy never said, implied, or maybe would even agree to.  The nice stuff you said was very nice though and I tend to believe he was a fairly nice person to meet in person.




Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Fuzzyone on May 01, 2012, 09:16:13 PM
It almost looks like you made this post in order to start a disagreement.  I will post 3 statements that are very different than the ones dennislevy made to us.  , What you say is not inaccurate because I say it is inaccurate, but because they are opposite of what dennislevy said. 
 
Very recently, dennislevy told the forum that a conversation DID take place between his final wife and himself about a visa based on conjuntal visits.  He said he told his wife that it wouldn’t be right and it would be breaking the law.    Now you are saying that conversation took place with another woman.  I've provided several quotes to back up what DENNIS said, and refute the statements you just made,
 1. about his size, 2. the duration of his second marriage, 3. the conversations regarding conjugal visa's occurring with his wife, NOT another woman. 




 
 

 


How can you explain the discrepancy between what you are say now and what dennislevy was saying when he was alive?  It calls into question a lot of the other things you said about him being a Bishop and whatnot.  With all due respect, are you sure you are not another poster, just yanking chains, like 1/2 the other 'new' posters I've seen suddenly emerge on other forums.  I mean you gotta understand you posted a lot of stuff that Dennislevy never said, implied, or maybe would even agree to.  The nice stuff you said was very nice though and I tend to believe he was a fairly nice person to meet in person.




Fathertime!


  I think that we are going to have guys popping up here posting B.S. for some time to come. I think it is important to remember some guys just want to yank our chains and get us fighting over nothing. I mean Bishop really WOW counting he never repeat Never told anyone here that counting D.L. was so up front about everything.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on May 02, 2012, 10:19:25 AM

The post from the alleged ex-wife  occurred on Gringos.com and was deleted.


 
Oh, I see.
 
But if the "drivel" was posted on another forum, then why is he replying here??
 
 
Ray
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Bob_S on May 02, 2012, 11:17:41 AM
Huh?
I'm sorry, but which "drivel" are you speaking of?
Did I miss something? I don't recall reading any posts by someone claiming to be his ex-wife...??
It looks like a cut and paste from an argument on another forum.  I'm not arguing with the meat of Cherub's comment, but a little pre-editting before they hit the "Post" button would have been value-added effort.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: saleens7tt on May 03, 2012, 08:31:17 AM
Just got the news about dennis levy. He was a "wealth of knowledge" to me when I joined pl last year...always respectful, always answering any questions I asked him. RIP MR DENNIS LEVY...I wish we coulda met.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: MariaJBueno on May 28, 2012, 08:20:18 AM
WOW I heard the news real sad.. Why can you gringos just give up the wallet?? it is not the first time!!
I am not sure if you heard or remember of a similar story about 2 years ago here in Barranquilla the guy did not give up a laptop and got killed in front of his home..
And not long ago another guyr from NY got killed in his home in a beach town near Barranquilla the men came into his home and he opposed the thugs. Got killed right in front of his wife...
SAD REAL SAD..
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: htown on June 03, 2012, 05:19:14 PM
Why can you gringos just give up the wallet??


Why can't you colombians quit stealing!!??  Get a freaking job and earn an honest living!! 


I should be in Colombia sometime this year and I will be purchasing a gun and carrying it with me when I'm in the streets.  I'll be praying to jesus christ himself that some scumbag tries to rob me so I can LIGHT HIS ASS UP!  Now I'm not stupid, if the robber catches me off guard and gets the upper-hand, I'll give up my wallet.  But if I get just a split-second of opportunity I will not hesitate to unload a whole clip and put his down permanently.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on June 03, 2012, 09:57:38 PM
Why can't you gringos just give up the wallet??

Quote
Why can't you colombians quit stealing!!??  Get a freaking job and earn an honest living!! 
   
EXCELLENT REPLY!         This gringo owes you a beer for that one!   ROFLMGDAO!         Ray     
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: MariaJBueno on August 04, 2012, 01:26:52 PM
What htown you got offended because I said gringo??
Get a job? There are people who steal in every part of the world.. everywhere and everyday....Even in THE GOOD USA!!! ( breaking news for you right?) . where people do far worse things while working a 9 to 5.. 
You are very much welcome to never come back or visit if that is your take on ALL Colombians..
So with your type of Narrow  thinking I must ASSume that just because some Americans walk into schools and theaters with the sole intention of killing dozens of innocent people even children.. I need to state that ALL Americans are crazy killers?
And since we are at it .. might as well stay away from the middle east because they are all terrorist and might get kidnapped, don't go to the Amazon or Africa because they are all cannibals and might eat you alive... Don't dare to visit India because it stinks and you will get sick ..Don't go to Japan because they have a lot of Ninjas and they may assassin you... Hell stay home .. but back home you can't find what you find here among all the jobless Colombian thieves a good loving wife...right??

It is that Chuck Norris attitude that has gotten killed every Gringo I have ever heard news about.. I am real sorry Denny's died. . Guess what I had a loved one killed trying to protect her children .... so I am not being a jerk like you when I SAY give it up..
I tell every person I know even Colombians life is by far worth more than any laptop, phone or cash.. Peace I guess I did not miss much while I was not coming to this forum..

So enjoy the beer guys which most likely would be at a Colombian bar.. And Sorry for the Typo I CAN´T Believe I missed that...
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on August 05, 2012, 09:40:29 PM
What htown you got offended because I said gringo??
Get a job? There are people who steal in every part of the world.. everywhere and everyday....Even in THE GOOD USA!!! ( breaking news for you right?) . where people do far worse things while working a 9 to 5.. 
You are very much welcome to never come back or visit if that is your take on ALL Colombians..
So with your type of Narrow  thinking I must ASSume that just because some Americans walk into schools and theaters with the sole intention of killing dozens of innocent people even children.. I need to state that ALL Americans are crazy killers?
And since we are at it .. might as well stay away from the middle east because they are all terrorist and might get kidnapped, don't go to the Amazon or Africa because they are all cannibals and might eat you alive... Don't dare to visit India because it stinks and you will get sick ..Don't go to Japan because they have a lot of Ninjas and they may assassin you... Hell stay home .. but back home you can't find what you find here among all the jobless Colombian thieves a good loving wife...right??

It is that Chuck Norris attitude that has gotten killed every Gringo I have ever heard news about.. I am real sorry Denny's died. . Guess what I had a loved one killed trying to protect her children .... so I am not being a jerk like you when I SAY give it up..
I tell every person I know even Colombians life is by far worth more than any laptop, phone or cash.. Peace I guess I did not miss much while I was not coming to this forum..

So enjoy the beer guys which most likely would be at a Colombian bar.. And Sorry for the Typo I CAN´T Believe I missed that...

 
It sounds like YOU are the one who is a little confused there Maria.
 
To attempt to put the blame on Americans for failing to cooperate with YOUR thieves is just plain stupid IMHO...
 
 :-*
 
 
Ray
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: htown on August 05, 2012, 10:14:07 PM

 
It sounds like YOU are the one who is a little confused there Maria.
 
To attempt to put the blame on Americans for failing to cooperate with YOUR thieves is just plain stupid IMHO...
 
 :-*
 
 
Ray
^^^^^
This is basically what I was going to say.


In your post Maria you made it seem like the Americans were the ones to blame for getting robbed and killed. 


Why didn't you say "just give up your wallet" instead of saying "gringos just give up your wallet".  The way you said it sounds like the gringo victim is the one at fault and I truthfully pointed out that it wasn't the gringo's fault, it was the colombian's fault(in this case).


The way you said it came across very insensitive, to be honest.  Especially after an innocent man gets gunned down while minding his own business.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: benjio on August 06, 2012, 05:23:56 AM
I should be in Colombia sometime this year and I will be purchasing a gun and carrying it with me when I'm in the streets.

HTown,
 
I can't say this is a horrible idea. A little risky, but not exactly stupid. I've also thought of carrying a handgun in Colombia many times and I know a few places where I could purchase one. The absolute worse that would probably happen to you is a police officer finding it, and you having to bribe him to stay out of jail (he'd most definitely confiscate the gun as well), so just make sure you're carrying plenty of cash too! I mean why not?! You'd be strapped!  :o
 
Seriously, all joking aside...I don't know Maria and have only heard a few stories about her in Barranquilla from other people; so this isn't saying anything about her personally. But the attitude she portrays in her post is one I've found to be pretty common in Colombia. Outside of their family and friends, the well-being of other people is simply not the average Colombian's concern. You can tell by the way people drive. There is a serious risk of any pedestrian that's not always very careful being hit by a car. I've seen it happen many times when someone didn't yield to traffic for one reason or another. Most strangers I've tried to do business with (especially along the coast) almost always try to overcharge me for whatever product or service they are trying to sell me. Even after I explain to them that they're going to lose my business before I pay the price they are insisting on, most will not budge an inch simply because I'm a gringo. In situations like that it's almost as if screwing me over is more important than them making a profit, because on numerous occasions they allowed me to walk away rather than give me a reasonable price. If you give a Colombian cash to buy something for you, you will almost always have to ask for your change when they return no matter how much it is. A common saying along the coast is, "The opportunity makes the thief." Which means if you give someone the opportunity to steal from you, you should expect to be stolen from. The most honest Colombians I know, even devout Catholics, steal; even if it's only petty things they don't really need. The first time I was working in Bogota, we were leaving the office for lunch and a co-worker mentioned I should lock up my laptop in the server room. When I asked him why his exact words were, "because someone will steal it!" I replied, "SOMEONE HERE IN THE OFFICE?!!!" And he told me, "Most definitely!"
 
Life is cheap in Colombia and the poorer someone is, the less they are worth. After a man was shot during Carnaval in Barranquilla two years ago, his body laid in the street for days before someone was sent to pick it up. What's worse is most Colombians absolutely refuse to take responsibility for something they've done wrong. If you catch someone stealing from you there, they will deny it at first and continue to deny it even if they are the obvious culprit. When you confront them with overwhelming evidence, they would rather flee than admit they have done something wrong.
 
From my experience this type of behavior is the norm, especially along the coast. The lying, stealing and unwillingness to take responsibility for their actions is something I've seen a lot of gringos have to deal with after bringing women from Colombia stateside...sometimes to the detriment of a marriage's success. 
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Micky on August 06, 2012, 12:37:17 PM
BENJ -
 
"What's worse is most Colombians absolutely refuse to take responsibility for something they've done wrong."  -  Benjio
 
I do not know how to do any computer tricks.  If I did there would be five stars along with BenJ's quote!!!!!
 
Certain things are "ingrained"  in culture,  unfortunately,  this is one that is so with Colombians  Not going to change anytime soon.  I do not like it,  but I damn sure well have learned to live with it.
 
Micky
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: htown on August 07, 2012, 01:22:21 AM
One thing I've noticed with some latino people is if you're standing in line and you're not literally breathing on the neck of the person in front of you, someone is probably going to cut in front of you in the line.  I've had this happen to me several times.  I just kind of stand there thinking "did this just happen?" lol.  Does this happen in Colombia?


Fyi, I am latino, but had a pretty much all american upbringing.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: MariaJBueno on August 07, 2012, 12:55:27 PM
WOW.... Honestly sorry if you all felt offended... I was mainly voicing my concern and it was not invitation for any of you guys to cooperate with thieves..
This comes from a person who has felt the pain of losing a loved over not turning over her car keys, watching her 7 year old cry every night in fear after 2 men took their cellphone at gun point.
If you feel so offended know this,  it is same  the advise I give my own children do not fight, give it up.Don't risk your life.. You took it to another complete level... I do not BLAME anyone for getting hurt or killed. What kind of person are you to even think such thing over what I posted? I am stating the facts, these people like many other Colombians opposed their attackers and ended up in the wrong side of the aftermath.
I am shuckled, almost in tears thinking what the hell did I say that was sooo wrong to have all these people insult me and my country??
This is not the only place in the world where you can get killed over meaningless material objects you tube is filled with 7-11 videos of clerks getting killed over a few dollars.
You all turned this into a cultural persecution towards Colombians.. Yes, this is not the most perfect place in the world yet it has you coming back over and over ..
Most of you do not know me nor have I ever done business with you. But there are some people on this site that can say a lot about my character. 
I am the first one to always make sure the people who come here do not get gringo taxed!! I am the first to always make sure people get the best deals and I have even called out lairs.I have in my days of translation made sure everyone was not exposed to any danger. Yet for one simple post you let all your silly experiences out there and put me down just to get your point across. I am the only Colombian here caring BTW.
I had my share of American upbringing as well and I can go to sleep at night feeling very happy knowing that I was raised with good values and glad my parents decided to add in some good Colombian values.
You are right I am very confused. I don't get why you complain so freaking much about our country yet you come back over and over or live here?
Not all Colombians are happy with the way many things go down in our country.. some of us stand tall against things and do not put our head down.. But we also think hell life is by far more important than any material belonging. GOD knows my sole intention was to not run into another sad post of another foreign person getting killed over a miningless object or fight.. Life can not be bought..
It is amazing how you all found it as an invitation to insult Colombians and voice your dull opinion.
Don't you hate how someone goes to another country and complains on how things are not like back home DUDE this is not back home. You don't like it simple, don't come back.
Now let me give you a little insight of the world.. Cutting in line, bad driving, robberies, lies ... all of those things .. Well I hate to tell you this and wake you up from your ignorance.. it happens in all corners of the world.. Europeans, Germans, Canadians, there are a bad apples in every country of the world and those things are happening in all of their countries too... as stupidity and ignorance is not subject to a skin color, race or nationality..
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on August 09, 2012, 10:00:06 AM


I am not sure if you heard or remember of a similar story about 2 years ago here in Barranquilla the guy did not give up a laptop and got killed in front of his home..
SAD REAL SAD..


The Canadian guy?


Best recommended laptop is the Chromebook


http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en_uk/chrome/devices/#utm_campaign=en_GB&utm_medium=ha&utm_source=en_GB-ha-emea-gb-bkws&utm_medium=oa (http://www.google.co.uk/intl/en_uk/chrome/devices/#utm_campaign=en_GB&utm_medium=ha&utm_source=en_GB-ha-emea-gb-bkws&utm_medium=oa)


If you get the chromebook stolen, you will not lose any data!!   No data at all are kept in the chromebook



Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Gato4Astrid on August 09, 2012, 10:02:32 AM

Why can't you colombians quit stealing!!??  Get a freaking job and earn an honest living!! 





I agree with you there, but why do you come to Colombia when you already know the risk ? !!


If we do not visit Colombia, then they have nothing to steal  !!!



Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on August 09, 2012, 07:59:55 PM

Well I hate to tell you this and wake you up from your ignorance..


 
OUR ignorance?
 
Actually, it's YOUR ignorant, arrogant attitude that is offensive...
 
 
Ray
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: htown on August 09, 2012, 09:21:32 PM

I agree with you there, but why do you come to Colombia when you already know the risk ? !!


If we do not visit Colombia, then they have nothing to steal  !!!


Are you asking me personally?  Many of the risks associated with being a gringo in Colombia don't apply to me because of my looks and speech.  Of course, I'm sure that Colombians get robbed just as much as foreigners if not more, therefore I'll be relying on street smarts and common sense.  I've haven't been to Colombia yet but I should be there sometime next month.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Researcher on August 10, 2012, 12:34:37 AM
One thing I've noticed with some latino people is if you're standing in line and you're not literally breathing on the neck of the person in front of you, someone is probably going to cut in front of you in the line.  I've had this happen to me several times.  I just kind of stand there thinking "did this just happen?" lol.  Does this happen in Colombia?


Fyi, I am latino, but had a pretty much all american upbringing.

Yes it happens all the time. It is also common for one person to hold a place in line for several others. I had an entire soccer team try and break line at the airport. I got out of line and walked ahead of them.
Researcher
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dave H on August 10, 2012, 03:57:22 AM
Well, damn.  That just sucks.  I was hoping he'd be able to morph into the Dave H of Colombia, livin' the dream in-country with his best gal by his side.  I'll miss his contributions to the forum.  My sympathies to his family.


I'm very sorry to hear about Dennis!

I take security very seriously (including personal protection), anywhere I am in the world! My biggest problem is that I say what I think and won't back down when someone (bad guys) piss me off! The good thing is that most Filipinos are pretty mellow and try not to cause a scene. There are many more knives pulled in the Philippines than guns...not too bad if you can keep out of range! My real blessing is that my wife is much tougher than me and watches my back! But, like Dennis,I am sometimes by myself and don't usually stick to the tourist map.

R.I.P. Dennis!


Dave
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Dave H on August 10, 2012, 04:52:06 AM
My gun of choice would be the Magpul FMG9 (Folding Machine Gun).If it was available!


(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2268/2240179772_451507ec2c.jpg)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2EqFzPzn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2EqFzPzn8)
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: DesmondID on August 10, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
One thing I've noticed with some latino people is if you're standing in line and you're not literally breathing on the neck of the person in front of you, someone is probably going to cut in front of you in the line.  I've had this happen to me several times.  I just kind of stand there thinking "did this just happen?" lol.  Does this happen in Colombia?

Fyi, I am latino, but had a pretty much all american upbringing.

No one has ever cut in front of me while standing in line in Colombia but I have noticed a couple of times in very long lines that people link in chains and when the line moves, even if they end up running, the links don't break for long. Brilliant.. I wish we did the same thing here, can't tell you how many times I've seen people look at a long line and casually slip into the front somewhere.. I took the picture below at the line for a presidential speech in Bogota, they were not putting up with that crap at all.. Line butters were being flushed out and sent on their way.

(http://www.strikequick.com/pics/TYP010_Bogota.jpg)
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: mambocowboy on August 12, 2012, 09:47:19 PM

HTown,
 
I can't say this is a horrible idea. A little risky, but not exactly stupid. I've also thought of carrying a handgun in Colombia many times and I know a few places where I could purchase one. The absolute worse that would probably happen to you is a police officer finding it, and you having to bribe him to stay out of jail (he'd most definitely confiscate the gun as well), so just make sure you're carrying plenty of cash too! I mean why not?! You'd be strapped!  :o
 
Seriously, all joking aside...I don't know Maria and have only heard a few stories about her in Barranquilla from other people; so this isn't saying anything about her personally. But the attitude she portrays in her post is one I've found to be pretty common in Colombia. Outside of their family and friends, the well-being of other people is simply not the average Colombian's concern. You can tell by the way people drive. There is a serious risk of any pedestrian that's not always very careful being hit by a car. I've seen it happen many times when someone didn't yield to traffic for one reason or another. Most strangers I've tried to do business with (especially along the coast) almost always try to overcharge me for whatever product or service they are trying to sell me. Even after I explain to them that they're going to lose my business before I pay the price they are insisting on, most will not budge an inch simply because I'm a gringo. In situations like that it's almost as if screwing me over is more important than them making a profit, because on numerous occasions they allowed me to walk away rather than give me a reasonable price. If you give a Colombian cash to buy something for you, you will almost always have to ask for your change when they return no matter how much it is. A common saying along the coast is, "The opportunity makes the thief." Which means if you give someone the opportunity to steal from you, you should expect to be stolen from. The most honest Colombians I know, even devout Catholics, steal; even if it's only petty things they don't really need. The first time I was working in Bogota, we were leaving the office for lunch and a co-worker mentioned I should lock up my laptop in the server room. When I asked him why his exact words were, "because someone will steal it!" I replied, "SOMEONE HERE IN THE OFFICE?!!!" And he told me, "Most definitely!"
 
Life is cheap in Colombia and the poorer someone is, the less they are worth. After a man was shot during Carnaval in Barranquilla two years ago, his body laid in the street for days before someone was sent to pick it up. What's worse is most Colombians absolutely refuse to take responsibility for something they've done wrong. If you catch someone stealing from you there, they will deny it at first and continue to deny it even if they are the obvious culprit. When you confront them with overwhelming evidence, they would rather flee than admit they have done something wrong.
 
From my experience this type of behavior is the norm, especially along the coast. The lying, stealing and unwillingness to take responsibility for their actions is something I've seen a lot of gringos have to deal with after bringing women from Colombia stateside...sometimes to the detriment of a marriage's success. 
 
 
If you're using an agency, they'll look out for you as long as you're with them. However, if you're not using an agency, as I didn't, you'd better hope your lady friend is trustworthy. My now-wife (then girlfriend) and her family went out of their way to keep me safe and from being taken advantage of.  She told me another guy who visited her had his hotel room robbed, and had to travel to the embassy in Bogota because they stole his passport (along with everything else). The reality is if you're an American in Barranquilla, everyone will BELIEVE you're rich beyond belief,and Caucasians like me especially have trouble blending in, so be careful fellas...
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: CeeTeeEnn on August 13, 2012, 02:56:58 PM
"From my experience this type of behavior is the norm, especially along the coast. The lying, stealing and unwillingness to take responsibility for their actions is something I've seen a lot of gringos have to deal with after bringing women from Colombia stateside...sometimes to the detriment of a marriage's success."

Thank you Benijo - this has to be one the FUNNIEST understated quotes i have ever seen on P-L!!! Next time I look with disdain at the women around me and think "damn, it can't get much worse..", I'll remember your words and consider myself truly blessed!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on August 13, 2012, 04:59:01 PM
"From my experience this type of behavior is the norm, especially along the coast. The lying, stealing and unwillingness to take responsibility for their actions is something I've seen a lot of gringos have to deal with after bringing women from Colombia stateside...sometimes to the detriment of a marriage's success."

Thank you Benijo - this has to be one the FUNNIEST understated quotes i have ever seen on P-L!!! Next time I look with disdain at the women around me and think "damn, it can't get much worse..", I'll remember your words and consider myself truly blessed!


Well, just to add some balance, this is only one side of the coin.  My wife, her family, my friends in Barranquilla, and my friends from Barranquilla here in Canada are not like this.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: CeeTeeEnn on August 14, 2012, 12:55:11 AM
I'm very glad to hear this Whitey - the experiences and insight of yourself and others like you is badly needed here on P-L, in the interests of preserving readers' sanity and helping avoid the classic trainwrecks.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on August 14, 2012, 08:45:02 AM

Well, just to add some balance, this is only one side of the coin.  My wife, her family, my friends in Barranquilla, and my friends from Barranquilla here in Canada are not like this.


i agree 4-square...lots of beautiful ladies a good man could transform into a loyal loving wife. 


Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: robert angel on August 14, 2012, 09:21:49 AM
I think what Whitey found in a wife in Barranquilla and in his many trips thereabouts, goes to show that generalizations and stereotypes of Colombian women (really any nation’s women) are just that--narrow minded overviews, applied broadly to what's really a more diverse population than many of us realize. Sure there are pitfalls in meeting women on-line in any nation, but the more carefully you choose, the more likely your chances of finding a match that should you desire, falls along the lines of what Whitey found---pretty much striking gold by using his head, 'getting down there' and taking the time to make sure it was 'right'.

I have said that were I looking, I don’t think that my mind set is suitable to finding a match easily in Colombia, that from what I see (from the outside looking in), I'd have to be a "lion tamer" to make it work and that it's just not my style. But obviously, there are Colombianas who have more even temperaments than we might expect.

Whitey and I have noticed some striking similarities between our spouses, even though they came from opposite sides of the world, nations where the women are often described in stereotypical fashions. Both came from lives where their family, career, home ownership, and friends are truly important and they brought that with them to our countries. Whitey's wife again proved her mettle at a crucial juncture, when Whitey was suddenly without a job and the path to her immigration to Canada suddenly wasn't as clear anymore. She stuck by him and job wise, things actually worked out for the better I think, but many lesser women would've created distance or cut him loose and explored other options. In my book, that beautiful woman showed her true colors before she even got on the plane to Canada.

Seeing Dennis's name as the topic of this thread, I'm surprised I'm even continuing what in the time honored tradition of P-L, is called "veering off thread". I sort of feel that this thread should just be in memory of Dennis Levy. His senseless murder really bummed me out--we were pals outside of the P-L fold. Dennis was maybe the world's greatest Yankee's fan, following their games wherever he went. Alas, in one of the last letters we exchanged, he said that with a 162 game season coming up, he would "live and die 162 times". I wish that were true and perhaps somewhere, Dennis is content Yankee wise, knowing they're in first place right now.

But in a way, this 'off thread' angle really applies to what Dennis proved and probably would've shared here. His wife Gloria, who as he once wrote to me, exalting that she made him the "happiest man in the world" was patient, stable and wise with him—not a whiff of scam or money grubber about her. They were quite close in age and before Dennis left on his extended journey through Colombia and surrounding nations, she predicted he'd be back. She too was a calm, supportive influence, a family and career focused woman, not the sort who longed to get to the USA and make a pilgrimage to Disney World. Gloria, bless her heart, and Dennis, bless his soul, did not fit the characterizations that we more typically found on P-L

So gentlemen, search and take your time. Travel if you can and with an open mind. If you know what you want and can divine what you want from what you really need and find the right combination there----if you can have the patience to make the right decision, but not stall so long as to lose the ability to be decisive, you too may 'get lucky'. But in a way, you'll also have created your own luck. Hopefully it'll last a good while too!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on August 14, 2012, 05:01:02 PM
Thanks CeeTeeEnn, Rob.


Rob, really nice to see you posting again and a lovely picture of your wife in your new avatar.  I hope you've been doing well.


Not to take anything away from Benjio, whose posts are completely valid and has a ton of experience, more than me ... but I did want to make sure that guys who are still looking know that despite the bad apples, they can still find many good women and friends also in Colombia.


I miss Dennis' voice here - he always had interesting things to say, whether you agreed or not.  I'll admit that his murder has lifted up my rose coloured glasses a little, but I'm still looking forward to my next trip to Colombia over Christmas.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: John W on August 15, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
I agree with Whitey-I miss Dennis and his posts. I have not read all the recent posts here but want to take exception with ones that imply Dennis died because he refused to give up his wallet or other possessions. Fox News Latino reported that he was killed after attempting to help the lady working the front desk. She was being attacked by two women and a man. I highly doubt that Dennis would have resisted armed robbers. The far more likely scenario is that Dennis reacted to the assault and one of the assailants pulled out a gun and shot him. Here is a link to Fox News Latino story:
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/)
 
I also saw a video clip on youtube of the police general referenced in the Fox News Latino story giving a statement about the crime, but I have not been able to find it again.
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: benjio on August 18, 2012, 03:29:14 AM
I think what Whitey found in a wife in Barranquilla and in his many trips thereabouts, goes to show that generalizations and stereotypes of Colombian women (really any nation’s women) are just that--narrow minded overviews, applied broadly to what's really a more diverse population than many of us realize. Sure there are pitfalls in meeting women on-line in any nation, but the more carefully you choose, the more likely your chances of finding a match that should you desire, falls along the lines of what Whitey found---pretty much striking gold by using his head, 'getting down there' and taking the time to make sure it was 'right'.

I have said that were I looking, I don’t think that my mind set is suitable to finding a match easily in Colombia, that from what I see (from the outside looking in), I'd have to be a "lion tamer" to make it work and that it's just not my style. But obviously, there are Colombianas who have more even temperaments than we might expect.

Whitey and I have noticed some striking similarities between our spouses, even though they came from opposite sides of the world, nations where the women are often described in stereotypical fashions. Both came from lives where their family, career, home ownership, and friends are truly important and they brought that with them to our countries. Whitey's wife again proved her mettle at a crucial juncture, when Whitey was suddenly without a job and the path to her immigration to Canada suddenly wasn't as clear anymore. She stuck by him and job wise, things actually worked out for the better I think, but many lesser women would've created distance or cut him loose and explored other options. In my book, that beautiful woman showed her true colors before she even got on the plane to Canada.

Seeing Dennis's name as the topic of this thread, I'm surprised I'm even continuing what in the time honored tradition of P-L, is called "veering off thread". I sort of feel that this thread should just be in memory of Dennis Levy. His senseless murder really bummed me out--we were pals outside of the P-L fold. Dennis was maybe the world's greatest Yankee's fan, following their games wherever he went. Alas, in one of the last letters we exchanged, he said that with a 162 game season coming up, he would "live and die 162 times". I wish that were true and perhaps somewhere, Dennis is content Yankee wise, knowing they're in first place right now.

But in a way, this 'off thread' angle really applies to what Dennis proved and probably would've shared here. His wife Gloria, who as he once wrote to me, exalting that she made him the "happiest man in the world" was patient, stable and wise with him—not a whiff of scam or money grubber about her. They were quite close in age and before Dennis left on his extended journey through Colombia and surrounding nations, she predicted he'd be back. She too was a calm, supportive influence, a family and career focused woman, not the sort who longed to get to the USA and make a pilgrimage to Disney World. Gloria, bless her heart, and Dennis, bless his soul, did not fit the characterizations that we more typically found on P-L

So gentlemen, search and take your time. Travel if you can and with an open mind. If you know what you want and can divine what you want from what you really need and find the right combination there----if you can have the patience to make the right decision, but not stall so long as to lose the ability to be decisive, you too may 'get lucky'. But in a way, you'll also have created your own luck. Hopefully it'll last a good while too!

Robert,
 
Great post! And I will most definitely admit that sometimes my posts give people the impression that I'm speaking about every single Colombian out there and that's just not the case. I know very well there are some great people there, and to answer Maria's question that's exactly why I keep looking in Colombia, amongst other country in Latin America. This is something I've stated in many other threads. But spending significant time there will usually get any gringo a little "down" on the decency of the general population. That's just my 2 Cents though, and believe me when it say that's all my opinion is worth.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: robert angel on August 18, 2012, 07:25:56 AM
Thanks Benjio, but when I meet a guy who wants to get 'the feel' for what it's like 'down there' I suggest that they read back on YOUR posts and for a more Colombia specific study, also on Dennis's posts. You have been to a good number of places, speak the language and seem to blend in well.  You are far, far from the more typical guy here--the guy who might go 1 to 3 times, get a bride, and bring her back. You've seen the good the bad and the ugly and the highs and lows of societal levels down there. You express yourself so well, but yet you never have a 'Oh--I've seen it ALL" kind of attitude--none of the holier than though, I'm infalliable stuff some folks project. When I see you write something like:
 
"I learn about the existence of a new kind of woman everyday on this board. I had no idea there were Latin American Women that weren't fervent fans of at least one genre of music. I have honestly never met one."
 
Statements like that just add value to your stock here. I really don't like the word 'envy' but I guess had that for a while in a sense with Dennis and yea, I read about your travels and think how it'd be great to be employed and working while having some time off there, knowing how to speak the language, making money and seeing all the places you see. I guess it's normal to an extent. I have a pretty good, stable situation going with a wonderful woman that I don't want to throw away, but it's probably human nature to sometimes want to fly to a place like Brazil or Colombia and be single again. I'd like to have a new Porsche Turbo S too, for that matter!--although that's obviously different than relationships, marital fidelity and travel!
 
Anyway--please keep that great mindset and posting here. You really do have a talent for relaying great info in an understandable way. I'm rather sure it's made a difference in people's lives here, that you've helped them make more informed decisions, saved them money and certainly helped folks travel safer. You haven't been sugar coating life's realities there, but you don't seem to be totally buying into all the US State Dept and similar reports and making guys paranoid to get on the plane and 'just do it'. You go man--you really rock and there's a lot of fans of you, besides myself--THANKS!
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: htown on August 18, 2012, 03:44:27 PM
Wow, I knew benjio was a cool dude, but I didn't know he was that cool.
 
There's some serious man-admiration going on in this thread.  Lmao!!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Fuzzyone on August 19, 2012, 05:32:12 PM
I agree with Whitey-I miss Dennis and his posts. I have not read all the recent posts here but want to take exception with ones that imply Dennis died because he refused to give up his wallet or other possessions. Fox News Latino reported that he was killed after attempting to help the lady working the front desk. She was being attacked by two women and a man. I highly doubt that Dennis would have resisted armed robbers. The far more likely scenario is that Dennis reacted to the assault and one of the assailants pulled out a gun and shot him. Here is a link to Fox News Latino story:
 
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/ (http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/04/26/asesinan-estadounidense-en-colombia/)
 
I also saw a video clip on youtube of the police general referenced in the Fox News Latino story giving a statement about the crime, but I have not been able to find it again.


   I have thing to say about giving your wallet up and about Dennis not giving his wallet up. Fighting to keep your wallet will make you dead plain and simple. I remember a poster we had here before that use to carry around a huge bowie knife with him to fight off any attacks. I say good ideal bring a weapon with you that way we can read about it in the paper when you end up dead.


   Nobody really knows what happen to Dennis but he is dead that is the end story, if he tried to hold on to his wallet or not does not make him a bad guy not in my eyes.


  One last thing anybody going to Colombia should know what they are getting into. I have met many Colombians that I liked very much, I met some that I wished I had a gun to rid the planet of them. If you think there is not scum bags every where then you are dreaming try going to some of our large cities and listen to the idiots complaining that we owe them so they can sit on the porch or in the bar all night. Read the New York post crimes area and see what is happening, jesus they are not gulity someone else did it!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on August 21, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
Thanks Benjio, but when I meet a guy who wants to get 'the feel' for what it's like 'down there' I suggest that they read back on YOUR posts and for a more Colombia specific study, also on Dennis's posts. You have been to a good number of places, speak the language and seem to blend in well.  You are far, far from the more typical guy here--the guy who might go 1 to 3 times, get a bride, and bring her back. You've seen the good the bad and the ugly and the highs and lows of societal levels down there. You express yourself so well, but yet you never have a 'Oh--I've seen it ALL" kind of attitude--none of the holier than though, I'm infalliable stuff some folks project. When I see you write something like:
 
Nobody is like that here, you are expelling gas and a shameless brownose as usual robertangle.  :D



 
Statements like that just add value to your stock here. I really don't like the word 'envy' but I guess had that for a while in a sense with Dennis and yea, I read about your travels and think how it'd be great to be employed and working while having some time off there, knowing how to speak the language, making money and seeing all the places you see. I guess it's normal to an extent. I have a pretty good, stable situation going with a wonderful woman that I don't want to throw away, but it's probably human nature to sometimes want to fly to a place like Brazil or Colombia and be single again. I'd like to have a new Porsche Turbo S too, for that matter!--although that's obviously different than relationships, marital fidelity and travel!
 
 
 


I would say this is a normal feeling...but I don't know many who get their cake and eat it too.  There is always a hidden cost, so on the whole being in a truly good marriage is still the best state to be in....at least in my opinion.  I am venturing it also has the greatest degree of difficulty, which is probably why a lot of guys decide to go the other route...if you know what I mean.


Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: bigstew33 on August 26, 2012, 06:51:44 PM
Sad to this this today.  I was one of the people that first helped influence his decision to go to Colombia in the first place.  Back in 2007 I talked to him a couple times on the phone.  each time was a really long conversation.  First time while I was still in the USA. Another time  was while I was at LLM.  He asked a lot of questions about how I felt about being there, and all of my experiences I had before my trip in 2007.  He eventually went and even later worked a short time for LLM.  I chatted a few times with him on the internet.  I can tell you much of what Cherub said in his long write up was true.  I didn't know about him being a Mormon but he did tell me his past life was not a happy time for him.  But he was so much happier travelling around Colombia and meeting many women.  He told me also his first meets were usually for coffee and then see if there was chemistry.  I think one of the last times I talked to him he was enrolled in a university and was using that to stay longer in Colombia.  I didn't agree with everything he said but he was a very nice guy.  He offered advice and told me he would even help me out if I ever returned there.  So this happened several months ago and I am now just learning about it.  I just don't visit this site much any more because in the past there was so much fighting and so many trolls that I just left.  Yes I did take part in some of those things and I can say I am not happy with myself about it.  I hope you all find a little peicee of heaven in what you are searching for, and for the ones that have found happiness hang on to it.  RIP Dennis.    Peace to everyone else
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: AndyLee on August 28, 2012, 09:16:51 AM
Sad to this this today.  I was one of the people that first helped influence his decision to go to Colombia in the first place.  Back in 2007 I talked to him a couple times on the phone.  each time was a really long conversation.  First time while I was still in the USA. Another time  was while I was at LLM.  He asked a lot of questions about how I felt about being there, and all of my experiences I had before my trip in 2007.  He eventually went and even later worked a short time for LLM.  I chatted a few times with him on the internet.  I can tell you much of what Cherub said in his long write up was true.  I didn't know about him being a Mormon but he did tell me his past life was not a happy time for him.  But he was so much happier travelling around Colombia and meeting many women.  He told me also his first meets were usually for coffee and then see if there was chemistry.  I think one of the last times I talked to him he was enrolled in a university and was using that to stay longer in Colombia.  I didn't agree with everything he said but he was a very nice guy.  He offered advice and told me he would even help me out if I ever returned there.  So this happened several months ago and I am now just learning about it.  I just don't visit this site much any more because in the past there was so much fighting and so many trolls that I just left.  Yes I did take part in some of those things and I can say I am not happy with myself about it.  I hope you all find a little peicee of heaven in what you are searching for, and for the ones that have found happiness hang on to it.  RIP Dennis.    Peace to everyone else


I agree with bigstew about Dennis and the man he was, and about Cherub's writeup and about the Forum being an unfriendly place to hang out.


As part of the fall out from the battles I've been placed on some kind of half-banned status.....for the past year or so every time I log in to P-L the server from where I am posting gets banned. I'm guessing half the Internet cafes in Colombia are now banned from P-L. I don't know if this is directed at me personally or if it is directed at other former members of P-L. At any rate, just to set the record straight, I'm still in Colombia and still living the life I always dreamed.


I'm sad there isn't any good news from Medellin about Dennis' killers being caught. Here's a link to a police sketch of two of the three killers. There is also a note that in 5 years 25 gringos have been killed in Medellin and only 3 of the murderers have ever gone to trial. Very typical of law enforcement in Colombia, sad but true.
http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/E/el_rostro_de_los_dos_asesinos_del_extranjero_levy/el_rostro_de_los_dos_asesinos_del_extranjero_levy.asp (http://www.elcolombiano.com/BancoConocimiento/E/el_rostro_de_los_dos_asesinos_del_extranjero_levy/el_rostro_de_los_dos_asesinos_del_extranjero_levy.asp)
Here's a really bad translation of part of the article

Begin quote
Eight of the victims were traveling quite often foreign to Colombia, 12 were permanent residents of the metropolitan area and five died as casual tourists.


suspects
According to court officials, as to the motives for the murders of the 25 foreign initial hypotheses suggest that thefts occurred in eight, seven are due to settling of scores, one stray bullet and nine indeterminate
end quote


I want to also add that Dennis did tell me more than once that he had been a Mormon in the US. Dennis also told me that he had been guilty of being the "most arrogant bishop they every had". So I can vouch for that part of Cherub's story, and I agree with most of the rest of that story because it jives with the Dennis that I met in person several times and who I talked to on the phone and by email and chat.


Anyway, I saw this post from bigstew and wanted to add my thoughts to his. Take care everyone and I'll talk to you again sometime when I find another Internet café that's not banned from P-L


Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on August 28, 2012, 06:53:27 PM
Good to see you posting again Andy, and thanks for the link ... sad that they probably won't catch the people who did this.


The Dennis I knew was the same as you, bigstew, and cherub described.  Although I doubt I knew him as well, we did meet up in person once.


Hope things are going well with you in Colombia.  Has what happened to Dennis changed your habits or viewpoint on Colombia at all?
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: V_Man on October 01, 2012, 11:21:12 PM
Those drawings could be half the young men and women in Colombia.
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: OrlandoGringo on November 16, 2012, 10:29:20 AM
It's been quite some time since I've checked in here.  In any event, I am saddened by this news.  I never met Denis in person but considered him a distant friend.  I just said a prayer directed toward Denis telling him that I know he's in paradise and that I'll get to meet him there one day, as will all of us.  Denis, see you later!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Thebatman on February 14, 2013, 05:41:19 PM
I knew Dennis from the boards and spoke by phone a few times with him about our experiences in bogota. We compared notes about a girl we both dated from Nelson's agency. In fact he worked for Nelson for a while selling their service, but it ended poorly. Anyway I always thought he was a good guy. Rip Dennis sad to hear this news. :'(
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: robert angel on February 14, 2013, 09:07:20 PM
I knew Dennis from the boards and spoke by phone a few times with him about our experiences in bogota. We compared notes about a girl we both dated from Nelson's agency. In fact he worked for Nelson for a while selling their service, but it ended poorly. Anyway I always thought he was a good guy. Rip Dennis sad to hear this news. :'(

Yea--Dennis was a good guy who'd help almost anyone. He and I could talk about almost anything. Both coming out of the Bronx orginally and then moving all over, we had some amazing parallels, despite being very different in other ways. Even though I never really had the hots for South America, I thought about getting down there one day and seeing it through his eyes and checking out the scenery in general. Guys like Dennis, Andy Lee and Whitey (who still does) made it all seem interesting--made it come alive as more than a multi dimensional 'bird hunting expedition'.
Too bad with Dennis gone, the guys who had such fun sniping at him have to double up on Zon nowadays to get their jollies.... ::)
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Ray on February 15, 2013, 02:12:33 PM

Too bad with Dennis gone, the guys who had such fun sniping at him have to double up on Zon nowadays to get their jollies.... ::)


Here we go again...
 
Robert, I know this is how YOU get YOUR jollies...by making unsolicited and unwarranted snide remarks and petty insults in an inappropriate place where you only screw up another thread.
 
May I suggest that you at least have a little respect for the deceased and go vent your personal hatred in a new thread in the flame room?
 
Thanks...
 
 
Ray
 
 
 
 
 
 
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: bcc_1_2 on February 15, 2013, 09:37:56 PM
I've just read bits and pieces of this thread. I'm not going to speculate because I was not there. But when I went to Cali Colombia I took a risk. We all do. You can compare it to rough areas of the USA if you want... but compared to were I am from it was a risk. There are lots of shootings going down on the south side of chicago but there is serious risk to travel in Colombia.
I felt in Colombia that something bad would eventually happen to me if I was there full-time. Looking back after you settle down with a girl... Latin America doesn't look all that great. I am far less tolerant and open minded to the differences. Where I live is better & much safer.
This type of situation really makes you feel for the victim and his family & friends... but also it serves as a reminder... that we are gringos... we stand out... we are in a poor country... and many think we are loaded,
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: fathertime on February 17, 2013, 07:56:54 PM

Here we go again...
 
Robert, I know this is how YOU get YOUR jollies...by making unsolicited and unwarranted snide remarks and petty insults in an inappropriate place where you only screw up another thread.
 
May I suggest that you at least have a little respect for the deceased and go vent your personal hatred in a new thread in the flame room?
 
Thanks...
 
 
Ray
Typical robertanger! It is nice to know that I’ve stayed at the forefront of his thoughts for so long, but like Ray said, this is Dennis' thread not more of your romper-room!
Fathertime!
Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: Zon on April 12, 2013, 09:09:46 PM
I am in a retrospective mood.   

Dennis was a poster here I reached out to 7 years ago.  Within minutes, I was on the phone with a very encouraging, helpful man.   He helped show and inspire people to that which inspired him.   

He traveled and explored and loved.   I am happy for him - really - and I wish more men could understand what Dennis know and found and lived.  He lived more in one week than many men live in years. I do not feel sorry for him, but the world is less without him. He was a good man.



Title: Re: Dennis Levy
Post by: whitey on April 13, 2013, 08:29:05 AM
I always enjoyed Dennis' posts and hearing his perspectives and adventures ... very unique, especially for a guy his age.  Met him once over coffee (no he didn't put the moves on me ... jajaja) in Quilla.  I still think of him from time to time, and wish there would be some justice for the people who murdered him and took him away from his wife and family.


Also a cautionary tale that you can speak the language well, know the culture, take the proper precautions ... and still chit happens in Colombia ...