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Title: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 16, 2020, 05:46:24 PM
My wife is home 24X7 now, as she's able to work her technology job at home, with 2 monitors and her computer tweaked for international phone access and other tricks impossible not so long ago.

It's kinda weird. I like her around, but this isn't quite how I figured it'd happen--not like 'boom'--instantly.

My 22 y/o son in Atlanta, just 2 months into his 100K a year 1st job after college graduation, is doing his AI work for the mega firm he signed on with. He's able to from his posh apartment on a wicked fast PC he self built and 3 big monitors.

He'll be fine.

Both are following company orders.

My 28 y/o son who owns a (used to be) always full a AirBNB is in a bad spot. He rents it from the owner for 4K a month and runs his boutique AirBN out of it. But nobody's booking.

Then he waits tables at a swank place and routinely makes very good pay there--enough income to live off of alone, but now is sh!t out of luck--they're closing for an undetermined length of time.

He asked if he could crash at our house, when push comes to shove....

That it was a miracle that as hard as he tried as a hell raising teen, to break my wife and I up, but couldn't, isn't lost on me.

Meanwhile my wife's all about helping him with food, with him moving back home with us, with his bills, etc.

Amazing woman. "Family stays together, helps each other" she says. Most USA born step mothers would've poisoned his food 15 years ago....

My wife, him and my lazy, 'Do what I please, when I please' self,  are about to experience change--change that's going to require ongoing adjustments, to put it mildly

As I predicted  weeks ago, this isn't gonna be easy, it's only going to get harder, and it isn't going away anytime soon.

Trump said we might see some return to normalcy by July or August.

I'm afraid he's being a bit optimistic....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on March 16, 2020, 06:42:47 PM
My wife is home 24X7 now, as she's able to work her technology job at home, with 2 monitors and her computer tweaked for international phone access and other tricks impossible not so long ago.

It's kinda weird. I like her around, but this isn't quite how I figured it'd happen--not like 'boom'--instantly.

My 22 y/o son in Atlanta, just 2 months into his 100K a year 1st job after college graduation, is doing his AI work for the mega firm he signed on with. He's able to from his posh apartment on a wicked fast PC he self built and 3 big monitors.

He'll be fine.

Both are following company orders.

My 28 y/o son who owns a (used to be) always full a AirBNB is in a bad spot. He rents it from the owner for 4K a month and runs his boutique AirBN out of it. But nobody's booking.

Then he waits tables at a swank place and routinely makes very good pay there--enough income to live off of alone, but now is sh!t out of luck--they're closing for an undetermined length of time.

He asked if he could crash at our house, when push comes to shove....

That it was a miracle that as hard as he tried as a hell raising teen, to break my wife and I up, but couldn't, isn't lost on me.

Meanwhile my wife's all about helping him with food, with him moving back home with us, with his bills, etc.

Amazing woman. "Family stays together, helps each other" she says. Most USA born step mothers would've poisoned his food 15 years ago....

My wife, him and my lazy, 'Do what I please, when I please' self,  are about to experience change--change that's going to require ongoing adjustments, to put it mildly

As I predicted  weeks ago, this isn't gonna be easy, it's only going to get harder, and it isn't going away anytime soon.

Trump said we might see some return to normalcy by July or August.

I'm afraid he's being a bit optimistic....
Well, I think your son has a chance to behave better this time around...
I'm working from home with my little ones who are out of school till April 7...definitely an adjustment.  Thank goodness for NFL free agency distracting me from this crisis...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 16, 2020, 07:01:37 PM
Well, I think your son has a chance to behave better this time around...
I'm working from home with my little ones who are out of school till April 7...definitely an adjustment.  Thank goodness for NFL free agency distracting me from this crisis...

Thanks, Mambo. I need to quit pissing and moaning. No need to throw myself a pity party--that only makes it worse. I need to suck it up. I'm--WE'RE not sick, in pain, broke or homeless.

It actually could be a lot worse.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 17, 2020, 10:32:07 AM
Thanks, Mambo. I need to quit pissing and moaning. No need to throw myself a pity party--that only makes it worse. I need to suck it up. I'm--WE'RE not sick, in pain, broke or homeless.

It actually could be a lot worse.


And out of all this, maybe it's the time and opportunity for not just democrats or republicans, not just for US citizens, but for EVERYONE--ALL ages, citizens, races and religions to actively cooperate on something for once in history.


I don't recall anything in history that got the whole world working together to defeat something. Thankfully that spirit is good-positive-cooperative.


How is S. American life out on the streets---are they shutting down restaurants for two weeks like here?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 18, 2020, 03:15:02 PM


How is S. American life out on the streets---are they shutting down restaurants for two weeks like here?

So, I guess it's like the tv show, The Twighlight Zone" and you're all dead already, or otherwise, everything's  OK...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 21, 2020, 12:16:41 PM
So, I guess it's like the tv show, The Twighlight Zone" and you're all dead already, or otherwise, everything's  OK...

Has this changed your life?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on March 21, 2020, 04:01:57 PM
Has this changed your life?
Heck yeah. Luckily for me I took a job in early February that allows me to work from home. Didn't anticipate schools closing so now the challenge is keeping the little ones occupied while I work. And of course more homebound than before.  My wife always insisted we go out as a family on weekends but now we like everyone else don't have many places to go...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 21, 2020, 05:02:47 PM
Heck yeah. Luckily for me I took a job in early February that allows me to work from home. Didn't anticipate schools closing so now the challenge is keeping the little ones occupied while I work. And of course more homebound than before.  My wife always insisted we go out as a family on weekends but now we like everyone else don't have many places to go...

Glad your situation's not dismal. My wife is keeping me captive. She actually let me go to Kroger today, but I had to wait out in the car, after passing by the empty mall parking lot. Out at the beaches, things are closed too.

Miles of wide pristine breezy beaches--all usually vacant in March anyway- are now llegal access for an extended time.

Yeah, I could've 'manned up'-- gotten out and shopped, but I am hearing WAYYYY too much holey moley already about how I'm "her everything"--you're "All I have" (in the USA anyway ;))  yadda, yada...and with her working from home--that and the rest of my family's differing situations, I'm just not gonna 'rock the boat'---there are enough changes and stressors already.

Besides, the largest local Kroger had NO toilet paper, no meat or seafood, no bottled water, etc.--I hoped to top off our month or two stock of provisions and give my local son a bigger 'care package' than we have already. All we got were cans of chili, some baked goods and cheeses...

We weren't gonna drive all over hunting, not to half a dozen stores....

I got more than enough toilet paper before all this broke big. Figured "My ass is covered"--then my son asked "Dad--could you spare a few rolls?"

My wife has more common  sense than me, saying "We gave him some TP and cash money--HE can drive around and find more himself."

Besides, Walmart and Amazon can still deliver ice cream, romaine lettuce, crazy glue, mushrooms, shoes, nuts, bolts and clothes and in 24 to 48 hours, have it all right on your doorstep.

And they're doing it under warlike conditions, under a collapsing economy.

A whole lot of the brick and mortar stores do not have a snow ball's chance in hell. Not in the long run.

The online giants will look invincible once people realize their viability.

And those mega companies have a compelling reason to tell our US Justice Dept that they're not engaging in unfair trade--antitrust practices--that instead they represent national disaster protection status for the population-->'Provisions'

This is a helluva a chance for the likes of Amazon and Walmart to not only put another giant nail into killing what Mom n Pop groceries, bakeries and hardware stores that are left on 'main street USA'--but to also just about nuke the shopping malls in earnest.

Anyways, never thought I'd find a trip to Kroger so surreal.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 23, 2020, 04:01:28 PM
The Chairman of the Federal Reserve has emphatically told the public that there is no question, that they will print as many dollars as needed to survive this 'great recession' and that the dollar will solidly remain the "world's reserve currency."

Oh, and that as usual, bank deposits up to $250,000 are federally insured.

Meanwhile the populace is having intermittent shortages of toilet paper and bottled water.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 23, 2020, 04:43:35 PM
The Chairman of the Federal Reserve has emphatically told the public that there is no question, that they will print as many dollars as needed to survive this 'great recession' and that the dollar will solidly remain the "world's reserve currency."

Oh, and that as usual, bank deposits up to $250,000 are federally insured.

Meanwhile the populace is having intermittent shortages of toilet paper and bottled water.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 30, 2020, 01:48:52 PM
The only thing worse than being holed up with my wife 100% of  the time is not being holed up with her.


As much as this isolation sucks, I can't imagine not having another person\s to bounce it off of.


No wonder how in some places, animal adoptions have sky rocketed.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on March 30, 2020, 02:57:53 PM



No wonder how in some places, animal adoptions have sky rocketed.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/second-dog-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-as-owners-warned-not-to-abandon-pets-2020-03-20
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 30, 2020, 03:46:29 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/second-dog-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-as-owners-warned-not-to-abandon-pets-2020-03-20

The only dog my wife will be kissing is Me. I don't think dogs will be a problem, but when people go back to work, they  (dogs) will have problems.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on March 30, 2020, 10:21:54 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/world/americas/bogota-colombia-coronavirus-silence.html


And it could quite possibly degenerate to what Italy is warily afraid of....

Italy Risks Losing Grip in South With Fear of Looting, Riots
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-30/italy-risks-losing-grip-in-south-with-fears-of-looting-and-riots
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on March 31, 2020, 04:12:17 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/world/americas/bogota-colombia-coronavirus-silence.html


And it could quite possibly degenerate to what Italy is warily afraid of....

Italy Risks Losing Grip in South With Fear of Looting, Riots
https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-03-30/italy-risks-losing-grip-in-south-with-fears-of-looting-and-riots

Colombia has a long way to go to get where the USA and Italy are
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 02, 2020, 10:07:38 AM
Colombia has a long way to go to get where the USA and Italy are

https://www.as-coa.org/articles/where-coronavirus-latin-america#colombia

With Colombia pushing 1000 confirmed cases as of a few days ago (one can only wonder how many untested 'carriers' are running around) it appears the "long way" to get to where the USA is, isn't that far off.

Brazil is getting bad and even in remote areas, including islands in that region, its showing and growing.

Meanwhile 8 million population Bogata is looking at a THREE month shutdown....

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 02, 2020, 12:21:11 PM
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/where-coronavirus-latin-america#colombia

With Colombia pushing 1000 confirmed cases as of a few days ago (one can only wonder how many untested 'carriers' are running around) it appears the "long way" to get to where the USA is, isn't that far off.

Brazil is getting bad and even in remote areas, including islands in that region, its showing and growing.

Meanwhile 8 million population Bogata is looking at a THREE month shutdown....

The whole country is shut down 50+  million people....the airports are closed to even domestic travel their isn't even bus service between cities and towns

I think it is safer here for me
Last I checked their were 100 confirmed cases in Medellin and about 1600 in Arizona where I lived
One of my wife's uncle's is sick.with the virus in New York

You should come to Colombia one day to see it for yourself

Then you will see why Mudd and Elexpat will never leave

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on April 02, 2020, 01:11:51 PM
Well I am definitely way happier today..my taxi driver found a place in the country where I can run without being harrased. Cops and private vigilantes pass me on motos and dont bother me there.

Whereas in Floridablanca only people with dogs can go out and walk their dog for 20 minutes.
I was trying to run up the 19 floors of my apartment complex 15 or 20 times and some people (sapos)ratted on me and the vigilantes patrol it every now and then and tell me I cant do it.

Running in the country a way better option.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 02, 2020, 01:16:58 PM
Well I am definitely way happier today..my taxi driver found a place in the country where I can run without being harrased. Cops and private vigilantes pass me on motos and dont bother me there.

Whereas in Floridablanca only people with dogs can go out and walk their dog for 20 minutes.
I was trying to run up the 19 floors of my apartment complex 15 or 20 times and some people (sapos)ratted on me and the vigilantes patrol it every now and then and tell me I cant do it.

Running in the country a way better option.

Well I know people here that have fincas outside of Medellin and when they go to leave the city the police told them they can go.to.their finca but the aren't going to let them return to Medellin until after the.quarantine is over

So I hope you like it where you are
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on April 02, 2020, 03:40:17 PM
Well I know people here that have fincas outside of Medellin and when they go to leave the city the police told them they can go.to.their finca but the aren't going to let them return to Medellin until after the.quarantine is over

So I hope you like it where you are

Floridablanca is only 250000 to 300000 people and we just drove to outskirts of Piedacuesta another city the same size 5 or 1o minutes away. All.part of metro Bucaramanga area. You are allowed anywhere in the metro area but not outside
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 02, 2020, 04:28:35 PM
The whole country is shut down 50+  million people....the airports are closed to even domestic travel their isn't even bus service between cities and towns

I think it is safer here for me
Last I checked their were 100 confirmed cases in Medellin and about 1600 in Arizona where I lived
One of my wife's uncle's is sick.with the virus in New York

You should come to Colombia one day to see it for yourself

Then you will see why Mudd and Elexpat will never leave

I can walk around my neighborhood, run a 1000 miles in any direction, but most places to go--mall, stores, beaches are closed. Grocery stores, take out places, dominoes pizza etc are full on.

A couple of county's from us, they have a curfew that says you have to have justification to be out in the streets between  10PM-6AM.

Most work places are shut down until end of this month, but if you're out and about, as long as you're practicing "6 foot 'social distancing ' you're still basically free. For now.

People don't remember the US president CAN enforce martial law. I recall as a little kid, living in swanky Georgetown Wash .DC during the race riots, seeing US Military atop their massive tanks in the neighborhood streets, M16's locked and loaded, permission to shoot.

Meanwhile just don't tell my wife "It's safe to go outside, off our property.." arghhhhh...going on 15 years together and I finally really feel like she's protecting me as her 'meal ticket', lol.

Thank God she doesn't take that mindset to a lawyer instead, lol.

We may remain "The land of the free, but until EVERYBODY shuts it down simultaneously for X # of weeks, this mother fukking virus isn't going away.. 
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 02, 2020, 05:12:40 PM
http://diarioriente.com/altiplano/la-exitosa-estrategia-de-corea-del-sur-para-enfrentar-el-covid-19-sera-implementada-en-colombia.html?fbclid=IwAR2VCsuqlVF-IC__iqZfPpLJiEHdPiyIknYKwmxaG1ouXy8xcF_05cCbZTI

According to this article it looks like Duque doesn't think Colombia can withstand a lot quarantine and is looking to follow the South Korean model of virus containment
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 02, 2020, 07:22:02 PM
http://diarioriente.com/altiplano/la-exitosa-estrategia-de-corea-del-sur-para-enfrentar-el-covid-19-sera-implementada-en-colombia.html?fbclid=IwAR2VCsuqlVF-IC__iqZfPpLJiEHdPiyIknYKwmxaG1ouXy8xcF_05cCbZTI

According to this article it looks like Duque doesn't think Colombia can withstand a lot quarantine and is looking to follow the South Korean model of virus containment

We can't undo the past and we can't redo it like Korea, and yes, China did--what was handled better.

They were better prepared going in and they could enforce new measures quickly. But we can learn lessons for now AND next time.

Two effective measures include comprehensive testing to ID those actively infectious, masks and social/work isolation.

But right now the US govt isn't ready to act draconian and force 'shelter in place orders' because even if it means arrest and being incarcerated  with other (quite possibly infected) prisoners for violators, the US population lacks fear and worse yet, discipline.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 02, 2020, 11:26:33 PM
http://diarioriente.com/altiplano/la-exitosa-estrategia-de-corea-del-sur-para-enfrentar-el-covid-19-sera-implementada-en-colombia.html?fbclid=IwAR2VCsuqlVF-IC__iqZfPpLJiEHdPiyIknYKwmxaG1ouXy8xcF_05cCbZTI

According to this article it looks like Duque doesn't think Colombia can withstand a lot quarantine and is looking to follow the South Korean model of virus containment

As per the above article:

"""This would reveal that President Duque is betting on not having to extend the quarantine that for now goes until April 13. According to Fedesarrollo director Luis Fernando Mejia, Colombia has no way of sustaining a longer period of isolation because it does not have the financial resources to help those most in need.""""

Good luck. Hope it works as planned, but for a number of reasons, I wouldn't bet too big on it....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 03, 2020, 12:56:38 AM
Well I am definitely way happier today..my taxi driver found a place in the country where I can run without being harrased. Cops and private vigilantes pass me on motos and dont bother me there.

Whereas in Floridablanca only people with dogs can go out and walk their dog for 20 minutes.
I was trying to run up the 19 floors of my apartment complex 15 or 20 times and some people (sapos)ratted on me and the vigilantes patrol it every now and then and tell me I cant do it.

Running in the country a way better option.

"""I was trying to run up the 19 floors of my apartment complex 15 or 20 times"""

Now why on earth would residents of an apartment tower have any issue with such behavior?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 03, 2020, 10:49:25 AM
http://diarioriente.com/altiplano/la-exitosa-estrategia-de-corea-del-sur-para-enfrentar-el-covid-19-sera-implementada-en-colombia.html?fbclid=IwAR2VCsuqlVF-IC__iqZfPpLJiEHdPiyIknYKwmxaG1ouXy8xcF_05cCbZTI

According to this article it looks like Duque doesn't think Colombia can withstand a lot quarantine and is looking to follow the South Korean model of virus containment

But yeah--if my recall of history is correct, you're probably right. C. & S Americans tend to follow strong military/dictator type leadership better than more westernized nations.

In Asian countries they pretty much do as told because if they don't, consequences follow.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on April 04, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
"""I was trying to run up the 19 floors of my apartment complex 15 or 20 times"""

Now why on earth would residents of an apartment tower have any issue with such behavior?


Because you arent following the"Rules"..even though they would never do exercise in their lives, but want to deny the others from doing it.


Many Santandereanos are like that.. muy chismoso y envidioso


Anyway, where I am running now is much better, and the taxista seems to think the peole wont complain about me running through the area.


The only risk I takis with the taxi driver, and he says he has very few clients that he doesnt know personally now, Very difficult just to pick people up in the street.


I amgiving him good employment. Pay him 20 mil an hour.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 04, 2020, 02:21:52 PM

Because you arent following the"Rules"..even though they would never do exercise in their lives, but want to deny the others from doing it.


Many Santandereanos are like that.. muy chismoso y envidioso


Anyway, where I am running now is much better, and the taxista seems to think the peole wont complain about me running through the area.


The only risk I takis with the taxi driver, and he says he has very few clients that he doesnt know personally now, Very difficult just to pick people up in the street.


I amgiving him good employment. Pay him 20 mil an hour.

Not following the rules is killing people with this virus. BUT if I were a runner in your situation, I'd do that taxi deal and find a prime, open area.

Before I decided running causes too much wear and tear, I used to run 5 to 7 miles a day, and occasionally work steps, like Rocky Balboa.

Have lived in apts, but couldn't fathom running 15-20 floors.

I was about addicted to running--I'd run til I barfed, then run again, I ran in snowstorms, etc.




My neighbor told me there's a popular video out showing a guy training for a full on marathon, but just by running 'laps' around his tiny backyard. As of yesterday they closed the gyms--so no need for me to make an excuse for not walking over to our nearby gym. I mean--the pool's closed too--so no girls to check out anyway, lol.


Been doing some short, high intensity (cardio, sweat up) 7 to 10 minute workouts from youtube etc. Haven't timed sex lately, but I'm not gaining weight!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 04, 2020, 02:34:28 PM
A LOT of babies are gonna be born in 2021!

Having my amorous young wife around 24X7 for weeks on end, with no place to go, certainly hasn't left us with nothing to do!!

It was always nice that she got a solid hour off at lunch and we could spend 45 of those minutes at home in bed together, but now that we're locked in the rabbit cage indefinitely, small wonder we're acting accordingly. 

And acting, thinking creatively there, in the moment, around the house, helps keep us from going too crazy.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 04, 2020, 08:29:12 PM
A LOT of babies are gonna be born in 2021!

Having my amorous young wife around 24X7 for weeks on end, with no place to go, certainly hasn't left us with nothing to do!!

It was always nice that she got a solid hour off at lunch and we could spend 45 of those minutes at home in bed together, but now that we're locked in the rabbit cage indefinitely, small wonder we're acting accordingly. 

And acting, thinking creatively there, in the moment, around the house, helps keep us from going too crazy.

You are doing good for a guy living in the USA

But there is really no comparison to a guy living in Colombia. That's why guys that live here are never going back
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 06, 2020, 01:19:31 PM
You are doing good for a guy living in the USA

But there is really no comparison to a guy living in Colombia. That's why guys that live here are never going back


It sounds idyllic alright down thataway. I am sure I would love the overall 'scenery' and for a while anyways and find the differences between there and here very interesting. It's odd--but if I could climb the highest tree in our neighborhood, we could see the ocean--but it's a good 40 minute drive to the nicer ocean beaches for us.


I was very surprised that my wife--who goes to extraordinary measures to prevent her morena skin even a shade darker, told me she liked the idea--the 'vibe' of beach side living. She stays out of the sun and can't hardly swim, lol.


That--within walking distance to stores and other convieniences, is beginning to appeal more to me. I like a beach vibe too--but want 1st world trappings.
You are doing good for a guy living in the USA

But there is really no comparison to a guy living in Colombia. That's why guys that live here are never going back



Not sure if it's in our budget right now --if we're ready for it, but I tell myself that if we REALLY want to live just about anywhere, if we 'will' it, it can be done. And without living in or around squalor.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 06, 2020, 02:05:46 PM

It sounds idyllic alright down thataway. I am sure I would love the overall 'scenery' and for a while anyways and find the differences between there and here very interesting. It's odd--but if I could climb the highest tree in our neighborhood, we could see the ocean--but it's a good 40 minute drive to the nicer ocean beaches for us.


I was very surprised that my wife--who goes to extraordinary measures to prevent her morena skin even a shade darker, told me she liked the idea--the 'vibe' of beach side living. She stays out of the sun and can't hardly swim, lol.


That--within walking distance to stores and other convieniences, is beginning to appeal more to me. I like a beach vibe too--but want 1st world trappings.

Not sure if it's in our budget right now --if we're ready for it, but I tell myself that if we REALLY want to live just about anywhere, if we 'will' it, it can be done. And without living in or around squalor.

There is one thing in life that will improve your life more than anything else and that is the people you have in your life. If you are looking to make a move.....find a place where you like spending quality time with the locals
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 06, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
There is one thing in life that will improve your life more than anything else and that is the people you have in your life. If you are looking to make a move.....find a place where you like spending quality time with the locals

Maybe we're missing something.  The more we are around other people -and that includes nice people and wonderful family, the more we just like her and I, together, just the two of us.

We go out, to dinner, dates, travel etc, but increasingly, socialization seems more like an obligation than voluntary for us. Then, we can hardly wait to get home, in bed to relax, read -- hell, we even cook in kitchen and eat in bed. Have a mixed drink, glass of wine...

Before CV19, we got out to shop, hit parks, beaches, did our date nights,  ran chores etc, but my wife always (99.5%) turns down offers to shop, double date, go to 'events' etc.

It's not quite a "Eff em all, just leave us alone" mindset, (she's socially gracious, almost to a fault) but virus or not, home or away, she likes me, and only Me, close by.

And she's mighty fine--with a face and body most high school girls would love to have, smart, generally laid back, easy going company. If I'm gonna be in jail cell CV19 awhile, at least I've got a great cell mate!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on April 06, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Maybe we're missing something.  The more we are around other people -and that includes nice people and wonderful family, the more we just like her and I, together, just the two of us.

We go out, to dinner, dates, travel etc, but increasingly, socialization seems more like an obligation than voluntary for us. Then, we can hardly wait to get home, in bed to relax, read -- hell, we even cook in kitchen and eat in bed. Have a mixed drink, glass of wine...

Before CV19, we got out to shop, hit parks, beaches, did our date nights,  ran chores etc, but my wife always (99.5%) turns down offers to shop, double date, go to 'events' etc.

It's not quite a "Eff em all, just leave us alone" mindset, (she's socially gracious, almost to a fault) but virus or not, home or away, she likes me, and only Me, close by.

And she's mighty fine--with a face and body most high school girls would love to have, smart, generally laid back, easy going company. If I'm gonna be in jail cell CV19 awhile, at least I've got a great cell mate!

You two sound pretty socially introverted and this isn’t the first post you’ve written that gave me that impression. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think my personal preference is more in line with Cali’s though. I don’t like clingy women and I’ve always been of the opinion that the time you spend apart from your significant other makes the time together so much more priceless. Also I’m a bit of a social butterfly so the people I live around and surround myself with have a huge influence on my quality of life.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on April 07, 2020, 11:37:58 AM
You two sound pretty socially introverted and this isn’t the first post you’ve written that gave me that impression. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think my personal preference is more in line with Cali’s though. I don’t like clingy women and I’ve always been of the opinion that the time you spend apart from your significant other makes the time together so much more priceless. Also I’m a bit of a social butterfly so the people I live around and surround myself with have a huge influence on my quality of life.
Me being an introvert this is less rough for me.  My wife is a total extrovert so it's tougher on her.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 07, 2020, 01:12:37 PM
Maybe we're missing something.  The more we are around other people -and that includes nice people and wonderful family, the more we just like her and I, together, just the two of us.

We go out, to dinner, dates, travel etc, but increasingly, socialization seems more like an obligation than voluntary for us. Then, we can hardly wait to get home, in bed to relax, read -- hell, we even cook in kitchen and eat in bed. Have a mixed drink, glass of wine...

Before CV19, we got out to shop, hit parks, beaches, did our date nights,  ran chores etc, but my wife always (99.5%) turns down offers to shop, double date, go to 'events' etc.

It's not quite a "Eff em all, just leave us alone" mindset, (she's socially gracious, almost to a fault) but virus or not, home or away, she likes me, and only Me, close by.

And she's mighty fine--with a face and body most high school girls would love to have, smart, generally laid back, easy going company. If I'm gonna be in jail cell CV19 awhile, at least I've got a great cell mate!

Apparently there wasn't much chance of you catching the virus even before the lock down and social distancing became the norm jajaja

But the quarantine in Colombia is slowly killing me

I think maybe this board might be your only social outlet but it isn't a replacement for good friends
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on April 07, 2020, 02:17:30 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-p8thGntRG/?igshid=8ikqco77lcf9
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 07, 2020, 03:00:07 PM
You two sound pretty socially introverted and this isn’t the first post you’ve written that gave me that impression. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I think my personal preference is more in line with Cali’s though. I don’t like clingy women and I’ve always been of the opinion that the time you spend apart from your significant other makes the time together so much more priceless. Also I’m a bit of a social butterfly so the people I live around and surround myself with have a huge influence on my quality of life.

Outside the bedroom, she's introverted all around, but it'd be a stretch to call her clingy. That said, as an event informal or formal, she might be talking (actually listening more) to the girls, but if I have a crumb on my chin, if my plate's empty or my clothes are amiss, she's on it if she's within 100 yards of me.

She IS a doting wife, for sure--as my sisters have noted.

Outside of family, she's introverted, but given a time of need, she can get alpha in a hurry. Lost in the Paris subway, underground at closing time, (taking the subway to the Eiffel Tower was HER idea, lol) we found our credit cards no good and no cash-- she figured it all out. When needed, her survival tenacity and intelligence come on strong.

Once you get me out, I am very, very verbal. Imagine my long winded posts in the context of conversation, and then picture some Italian goombah outta da Bronx-- that's me.

What's so weird is where my wife comes from---an old school of courting values, men are men if they're stoic and quiet and 'the gays' are known to yakity yak....

She's always 100% private, she's never called me out in public and never in front of the kids--but she asks me afterwards to be a better listener and to ask questions -- to not dominate convos.

In public she monitors my conversations from near and afar and this is great--she'll sometimes signal me ""TMI"" = That's her telling me I might be putting out " Too Much Information " in a convo...

I literally worked for periods of months to years with 1000s of people at dozens of workplaces, but I keep less friends than fingers on a single hand. I don't text or call them, never mind get together with them much. But quality over quantity there--they and my family (who live a 1000 miles away) know we have ea other's backs no matter what. That's been proven.

We didn't get out of the Paris subway and back to our hotel, tired and hungry, til 2AM, but at least atop the Eiffel Tower, I was in control enough to ask her to marry me again and the silly girl said yes!!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 07, 2020, 04:12:20 PM
Apparently there wasn't much chance of you catching the virus even before the lock down and social distancing became the norm jajaja

But the quarantine in Colombia is slowly killing me

I think maybe this board might be your only social outlet but it isn't a replacement for good friends

I'm probably the only guy here (left here or formerly a member) who doesn't have a face book acct. Tic Toc = schlock to me.

I let my wife set up an Instagram acct for me months ago and I haven't added/changed it once.

During regular (non CVirus) times, I might get out alone and drive somewhere 2 or 3 times a week, tops. That doesn't include us maybe going to the park, to places to work out or dates/weekend activities.

But as she works Mon - Fri 8 to 5, I open my eyes around 7:30 to see how tastefully dressed she is, take my breakfast in bed and then I go back to sleep til 10 or so. By 1:00 to 2:00, she's home for lunch and I'll usually have warmed some food up so we can eat quickly and get back in bed to errrr 'relax'.

I don't fix lunch everyday, as I don't want to feel like 'the house husband.' As before I retired, I do the outside, she does the 99% of the inside. Before I retired I explained straight up that was (is) the way things are. She replied "Honey, why don't you let me pay people to do the lawn?--it gets so hot"

I have yet to hear the oh so USA query:

"And what did YOU do all day??"

If asked, my reply would likely be: "Not much hon, relaxed..."

After she heads back to work,  I might read out in our backyard's gardens --she makes sure I have the daily 'paper' newspaper (archaic I know) so I don't get "bored". I get a ton of magazines,  half never get read. Even my chromebook, w 2400X1600 screen resolution being OK outside, might get some use, but not much there either. That or my phone work for streaming music to bluetooth speakers while I chill, suits me fine.

We have mega internet, tons of cable, netflix etc channels etc. but we rarely watch TV.  -- we have our favorite music streaming a lot more than TV.

We don't want a dog, but after near sixty years, I can see why people prefer their company to human's.

But sometimes, sitting out in my private gardens, reading, listening to the birds sing, and sipping my coffee, I wonder if I'm gonna go out like Don Corelone in "The Godfather" --keeling over my tomato plants...

I'll be OK w that, even if unlike the Don, I don't have Grandkids running around at the time.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on April 07, 2020, 04:35:28 PM
I'm probably the only guy here (left here or formerly a member) who doesn't have a face book acct. Tic Toc = schlock to me.

I let my wife set up an Instagram acct for me months ago and I haven't added/changed it once.

During regular (non CVirus) times, I might get out alone and drive somewhere 2 or 3 times a week, tops. That doesn't include us maybe going to the park, to places to work out or dates/weekend activities.

But as she works Mon - Fri 8 to 5, I open my eyes around 7:30 to see how tastefully dressed she is, take my breakfast in bed and then I go back to sleep til 10 or so. By 1:00 to 2:00, she's home for lunch and I'll usually have warmed some food up so we can eat quickly and get back in bed to errrr 'relax'.

I don't fix lunch everyday, as I don't want to feel like 'the house husband.' As before I retired, I do the outside, she does the 99% of the inside. Before I retired I explained straight up that was (is) the way things are. She replied "Honey, why don't you let me pay people to do the lawn?--it gets so hot"

I have yet to hear the oh so USA query:

"And what did YOU do all day??"

If asked, my reply would likely be: "Not much hon, relaxed..."

After she heads back to work,  I might read out in our backyard's gardens --she makes sure I have the daily 'paper' newspaper (archaic I know) so I don't get "bored". I get a ton of magazines,  half never get read. Even my chromebook, w 2400X1600 screen resolution being OK outside, might get some use, but not much there either. That or my phone work for streaming music to bluetooth speakers while I chill, suits me fine.

We have mega internet, tons of cable, netflix etc channels etc. but we rarely watch TV.  -- we have our favorite music streaming a lot more than TV.

We don't want a dog, but after near sixty years, I can see why people prefer their company to human's.

But sometimes, sitting out in my private gardens, reading, listening to the birds sing, and sipping my coffee, I wonder if I'm gonna go out like Don Corelone in "The Godfather" --keeling over my tomato plants...

I'll be OK w that, even if unlike the Don, I don't have Grandkids running around at the time.

From the sound of it ....it really doesn't matter much where you live....isn't much difference in banging your wife or eating at home no matter where you live
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 08, 2020, 04:44:52 PM
Why Germany Has Fewer COVID Deaths Than Neighbors
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200402/why-germany-has-fewer-covid-deaths-than-neighbors

They had massive amounts of test kits by mid January--engineering them before China could, and they used them.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 10, 2020, 04:00:32 PM
Why Germany Has Fewer COVID Deaths Than Neighbors
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200402/why-germany-has-fewer-covid-deaths-than-neighbors

They had massive amounts of test kits by mid January--engineering them before China could, and they used them.

Just a mile away the Shell gas station (We only use Shell or BP gas, it's clean, w additives) gas is a whopping $1.47  a gallon.

When I use my 20% off --purchase $50 in groceries, get $50 in gas on prepaid card you pay only $40 for, I'm paying $1.17 a gallon.

Still, 'full price's @ $1.47 a gallon is amazing.

I think adjusted for inflation, that's gotta be about as cheap as gas and oil has ever been in N America. Elex?

As the #1 producer of oil in the world, the USA still prefers to import and use other nation's oil while it's readily available.

I think the cheapest gasoline's been in the more than a 100 years since automobiles became known was 17 or 18 cents a gallon around 1932, when The Great Depression slowed traffic and need. I vaguely recall 21 cents briefly in the late 60's or early 70's-‐-during the 'gas wars.' Later came the crazy OOEC induced 'shortages.' Back then they pumped it for you after washing your window and if you said " Fill er up" some places gave you a set of four glass TV Cartoon  character drinking glasses. My, how times have changed.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: ignorante on April 13, 2020, 02:08:33 PM
Cheap prices will put many American producers out of business, especially those extracting oil from shale, as they need oil to be above $40 not to lose money.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 13, 2020, 04:18:11 PM
Cheap prices will put many American producers out of business, especially those extracting oil from shale, as they need oil to be above $40 not to lose money.

Acc to Stanford--not a blowhard college::

""Since our society is so dependent on fossil fuels,  it therefore is extremely important for us to know when these fuels will run out according to [4]:

Oil will end by 2052   – 30 years time

Gas  will end by 2060  – 40 years time

Coal will last till 2090 –   70 years time

However, according to BP [5], earth has 53 years of oil reserves left at current rate of consumption ."""

This is my mid engine, 495 fully naturally aspirated horse power, 194 MPH, zero to 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds RESPONSE to the end of fossil fuels. My wife is all about it, lol....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123844539124

Electric or turbo? Kiss my azzzz---pry it outta my cold dead hands first...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on April 15, 2020, 07:17:58 AM
Acc to Stanford--not a blowhard college::

""Since our society is so dependent on fossil fuels,  it therefore is extremely important for us to know when these fuels will run out according to [4]:

Oil will end by 2052   – 30 years time

Gas  will end by 2060  – 40 years time

Coal will last till 2090 –   70 years time

However, according to BP [5], earth has 53 years of oil reserves left at current rate of consumption ."""

This is my mid engine, 495 fully naturally aspirated horse power, 194 MPH, zero to 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds RESPONSE to the end of fossil fuels. My wife is all about it, lol....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/123844539124

Electric or turbo? Kiss my azzzz---pry it outta my cold dead hands first...

Down to $1.41 a gallon around here, $1.19 in S. Carolina, where fuel taxes are lower.

Using my Publix Grocery 20% off gas card, that makes it 95 cents a gallon in S.C.

And in today's international news, it indicates that oil prices are still crashing.

All dressed up and no place to go....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 11, 2020, 04:28:15 PM
What a difference a couple covid19 months makes...Looks like Colombia still has less than 500 corona dead, Brazil a big 11,000, but all of the Caribbean and Latin America still around 21,000 total, dead.


Meanwhile it's over 80,000 USA dead and all but certain to exceed 100,000 lives.


A lot more people moving around in the USA's 328 million population--right at half the combined 653 million population of  Central, South America, w/ the Caribbean--that is "Latin America" .


I didn't realize ya'll have twice as many people.

It sucks, but although I've trekked to the beach a couple times and walked around the lake, pic nicked in park once--all during quieter times of AM/PM, whether it's trying to find what we want from the store or trying to work around crowds, life's still very different in South Eastern USA, mid May 2020.


I'll stay low key and clean, as long as there's so many untested people and case numbers going up.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 11, 2020, 04:37:41 PM
Down to $1.41 a gallon around here, $1.19 in S. Carolina, where fuel taxes are lower.

Using my Publix Grocery 20% off gas card, that makes it 95 cents a gallon in S.C.

And in today's international news, it indicates that oil prices are still crashing.

All dressed up and no place to go....
Cheapest gas in San Diego is around $2.69 a gallon...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 11, 2020, 04:55:15 PM
Cheapest gas in San Diego is around $2.69 a gallon...


About a buck and a half here.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 11, 2020, 05:59:27 PM

About a buck and a half here.
Everything more expensive here. They'd charge for the air of they could....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 12, 2020, 02:08:08 PM
What a difference a couple covid19 months makes...Looks like Colombia still has less than 500 corona dead, Brazil a big 11,000, but all of the Caribbean and Latin America still around 21,000 total, dead.


Meanwhile it's over 80,000 USA dead and all but certain to exceed 100,000 lives.


A lot more people moving around in the USA's 328 million population--right at half the combined 653 million population of  Central, South America, w/ the Caribbean--that is "Latin America" .


I didn't realize ya'll have twice as many people.

It sucks, but although I've trekked to the beach a couple times and walked around the lake, pic nicked in park once--all during quieter times of AM/PM, whether it's trying to find what we want from the store or trying to work around crowds, life's still very different in South Eastern USA, mid May 2020.


I'll stay low key and clean, as long as there's so many untested people and case numbers going up.

Americans on average are older fatter and sicker than the average person in Latin America. So they will never have the death rate we have.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 13, 2020, 12:36:01 PM
Americans on average are older fatter and sicker than the average person in Latin America. So they will never have the death rate we have.

The average age of a Colombian male is 29 years old. For women, it's 31 years of age, overall average. Not many nations have an overall age difference of two full years between men and women.

Even though infant mortality there is more than twice the the USAs and the life expectancy slightly shorter, "Survival of the fittest " culls out the weakest--typically the youngest and oldest.

In the Philippines,  average male age is 23 y/o, female's 24.

USA? Male 36.8,  females 39.4.

Unlike almost every other nation, in recent years life expectancy in the USA has been DECREASING.

Tell THAT  to your health insurance carrier.

I somehow figure the lower the average age, the more free time and sexual activity going on--lotsa babies coming along that aren't exactly 'making themselves.' LOL...

They must be REALLY busy in over a dozen African nations, where the average age of male and females is down well into their teens--15 to 19 y/o. In four nations, the aaverage age is 15!

Some middle eastern nations are way low average age wise, then above them, some poorer pacific islands.

Overall, the poorer the place, the younger the average age--and babies everywhere.

Meanwhile, at the other end, the eldest citizens by age--- it's our own former AXIS, WWII enemies--Germany,  Italy and Japan, that with aged populations pushing age 50 for both sexes, they have diapers for adults greatly outselling the infant models....

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/median-age/
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 13, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
The average age of a Colombian male is 29 years old. For women, it's 31 years of age, overall average. Not many nations have an overall age difference of two full years between men and women.

Even though infant mortality there is more than twice the the USAs and the life expectancy slightly shorter, "Survival of the fittest " culls out the weakest--typically the youngest and oldest.

In the Philippines,  average male age is 23 y/o, female's 24.

USA? Male 36.8,  females 39.4.

Unlike almost every other nation, in recent years life expectancy in the USA has been DECREASING.

Tell THAT  to your health insurance carrier.

I somehow figure the lower the average age, the more free time and sexual activity going on--lotsa babies coming along that aren't exactly 'making themselves.' LOL...

They must be REALLY busy in over a dozen African nations, where the average age of male and females is down well into their teens--15 to 19 y/o. In four nations, the aaverage age is 15!

Some middle eastern nations are way low average age wise, then above them, some poorer pacific islands.

Overall, the poorer the place, the younger the average age--and babies everywhere.

Meanwhile, at the other end, the eldest citizens by age--- it's our own former AXIS, WWII enemies--Germany,  Italy and Japan, that with aged populations pushing age 50 for both sexes, they have diapers for adults greatly outselling the infant models....

https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/median-age/

https://photius.com/rankings/2019/population/death_rate_2019_1.html

The death rate in Colombia per 1000 is 5.5
The death rate in the USA is 8.2 per 1000.

But the Incel rate in the USA is off the charts while it is close to zero in Colombia .  Jajaja

 
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 13, 2020, 03:40:38 PM
https://photius.com/rankings/2019/population/death_rate_2019_1.html (https://photius.com/rankings/2019/population/death_rate_2019_1.html)

The death rate in Colombia per 1000 is 5.5
The death rate in the USA is 8.2 per 1000.

But the Incel rate in the USA is off the charts while it is close to zero in Colombia .  Jajaja


It's hard to correlate that death 5.5 rate, comparing it to other nations with similar rates and trying to assume that certain behaviors occur more or less. But I'd guess that amongst rabbits, their rate and typical behaviors, Turks and Caicos Islands, with a 3.3 rate, has to have something in common!


My wife's country seems super young and you just feel the energy and excitement all around. Makes the USA seem somber and uptight. They're too busy living to worry. They don't worry about tomorrow.


Even the rich and middle class in the USA--young and old alike, seem to have more neurosis--panic attacks, worries and stress, than a lot of places overseas.


We're fecking killing ourselves, pretending it's civilized all the while.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 13, 2020, 05:13:58 PM

It's hard to correlate that death 5.5 rate, comparing it to other nations with similar rates and trying to assume that certain behaviors occur more or less. But I'd guess that amongst rabbits, their rate and typical behaviors, Turks and Caicos Islands, with a 3.3 rate, has to have something in common!


My wife's country seems super young and you just feel the energy and excitement all around. Makes the USA seem somber and uptight. They're too busy living to worry. They don't worry about tomorrow.


Even the rich and middle class in the USA--young and old alike, seem to have more neurosis--panic attacks, worries and stress, than a lot of places overseas.


We're fecking killing ourselves, pretending it's civilized all the while.


In 2017, more than 70,000 people died from drug overdoses, making it a leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
Eighteen percent of pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) in 2017 ended in abortion. Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017, down 7% from 926,190 in 2014. The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014 Gun Deaths Again Neared 40,000 in 2018, Latest CDC Data Shows. While overall fatalities remained relatively unchanged compared to 2017, the share of suicides increased.Jan 7, 2019

If you could stop abortions the population in the USA would become a lot younger thus a lower death rate. Get rid of the drug over doses and guns and we would have a 3.3 percent death rate.....assuming we get the corona virus under control.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 13, 2020, 08:02:49 PM

In 2017, more than 70,000 people died from drug overdoses, making it a leading cause of injury-related death in the United States.
Eighteen percent of pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) in 2017 ended in abortion. Approximately 862,320 abortions were performed in 2017, down 7% from 926,190 in 2014. The abortion rate in 2017 was 13.5 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44, down 8% from 14.6 per 1,000 in 2014 Gun Deaths Again Neared 40,000 in 2018, Latest CDC Data Shows. While overall fatalities remained relatively unchanged compared to 2017, the share of suicides increased.Jan 7, 2019

If you could stop abortions the population in the USA would become a lot younger thus a lower death rate. Get rid of the drug over doses and guns and we would have a 3.3 percent death rate.....assuming we get the corona virus under control.[/size



With the exceptions of Guyana (highest suicide rate on earth!-- long weird story) Suriname (tiny nation, weird) and Uruguay (inexplicable, but 2nd leading cause of death amongst teens) Latin America has very, very low rates.

The USA has a suicide rate twice as high as Colombia's.

But then, the Philippine's suicide  rate is about half of Colombia's. For years now,, I have been suspicious about why those poor people are so fecking#*× happy!?

But it's the Caribbean Islands that have the lowest suicide rates of all.

Wonder what they're smoking??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate (2012)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 13, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
With the exceptions of Guyana (highest suicide rate on earth!-- long weird story) Suriname (tiny nation, weird) and Uruguay (inexplicable, but 2nd leading cause of death amongst teens) Latin America has very, very low rates.

The USA has a suicide rate twice as high as Colombia's.

But then, the Philippine's suicide  rate is about half of Colombia's. For years now,, I have been suspicious about why those poor people are so fecking#*× happy!?

But it's the Caribbean Islands that have the lowest suicide rates of all.

Wonder what they're smoking??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate (2012)

The reasons people actually successfully commit suicide are complicated and some of the reasons have nothing to do with how unhappy someone is.

I believe it was England that cut the suicide rate in half when it switched from town gas which contained carbon monoxide to natural gas that didn't contain any.

Anyway you can read about the case study here.
https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Strangers-Should-about-People/dp/0316478520

If you like the book you should read every book Malcolm Gladwell has written

I highly recommend them....not that I agree with everything he says but he always gives a unique perspective on the human situation
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 14, 2020, 05:10:47 PM
With the exceptions of Guyana (highest suicide rate on earth!-- long weird story) Suriname (tiny nation, weird) and Uruguay (inexplicable, but 2nd leading cause of death amongst teens) Latin America has very, very low rates.

The USA has a suicide rate twice as high as Colombia's.

But then, the Philippine's suicide  rate is about half of Colombia's. For years now,, I have been suspicious about why those poor people are so fecking#*× happy!?

But it's the Caribbean Islands that have the lowest suicide rates of all.

Wonder what they're smoking??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate (2012)
Probably just having more sex....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 14, 2020, 05:15:41 PM
The reasons people actually successfully commit suicide are complicated and some of the reasons have nothing to do with how unhappy someone is.

I believe it was England that cut the suicide rate in half when it switched from town gas which contained carbon monoxide to natural gas that didn't contain any.

Anyway you can read about the case study here.
https://www.amazon.com/Talking-Strangers-Should-about-People/dp/0316478520

If you like the book you should read every book Malcolm Gladwell has written

I highly recommend them....not that I agree with everything he says but he always gives a unique perspective on the human situation
I work in mental health and I think there is truth to accessibility increasing rate of suicide. However, the rate of suicide in the Great Depression went up 26%, so I won't be surprised to see the rates go up from covid, not only for economic reasons but also trauma related as a number of health professionals on the front lines have already killed themselves....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on May 15, 2020, 03:14:31 PM
https://photius.com/rankings/2019/population/death_rate_2019_1.html (https://photius.com/rankings/2019/population/death_rate_2019_1.html)

The death rate in Colombia per 1000 is 5.5
The death rate in the USA is 8.2 per 1000.

But the Incel rate in the USA is off the charts while it is close to zero in Colombia .  Jajaja


Is sex with sheep included as a criteria to get you out of the "incel" clssification?


In the case of Costeños, it would be Burras
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 15, 2020, 08:39:52 PM
I work in mental health and I think there is truth to accessibility increasing rate of suicide. However, the rate of suicide in the Great Depression went up 26%, so I won't be surprised to see the rates go up from covid, not only for economic reasons but also trauma related as a number of health professionals on the front lines have already killed themselves....


The wealthiest nations on this short list are the ones with greatest declines in life expectancy, as well as living overall deceasing lifespans globally. It is believed that in the few years since they compiled data, suicides have increased, exacerbating the decline. In the USA the "opioid epidemic' has also taken a larger toll.


Things are just getting worse.


Suicides and addictions have caused the younger generation in the USA to decline more than in most places.


We don't need heroin and cocaine from distant nations, we make plenty of our own poison. In fact many OD on their legally obtained prescriptions.


Take into account how obsessed we are with 'depression'--panic attacks and stress and the drugs associated with it and things we once accepted as "Well, life sucks--that's just the way it is"---no wonder we feel hopeless. Add in increasing income disparity and an ever increasing but insatiable materialistic appetite, and it's not looking good.


If an alien came down and watched the TV commercials during the national network news, the alien would probably wonder why we advertise --why we take all those weird sounding drugs for weird sounding problems, while mentioning how "possible side effects may include death" etc. etc...Between the commercials, the inevitable murder and violence stories, we might not appear to be so "1st world, advanced/civilized" -- compared to 'less developed' nations.


https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/ (https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 15, 2020, 08:58:16 PM

The wealthiest nations on this short list are the ones with greatest declines in life expectancy, as well as living overall deceasing lifespans globally. It is believed that in the few years since they compiled data, suicides have increased, exacerbating the decline. In the USA the "opioid epidemic' has also taken a larger toll.


Things are just getting worse.


Suicides and addictions have caused the younger generation in the USA to decline more than in most places.


We don't need heroin and cocaine from distant nations, we make plenty of our own poison. In fact many OD on their legally obtained prescriptions.


Take into account how obsessed we are with 'depression'--panic attacks and stress and the drugs associated with it and things we once accepted as "Well, life sucks--that's just the way it is"---no wonder we feel hopeless. Add in increasing income disparity and an ever increasing but insatiable materialistic appetite, and it's not looking good.


If an alien came down and watched the TV commercials during the national network news, the alien would probably wonder why we advertise --why we take all those weird sounding drugs for weird sounding problems, while mentioning how "possible side effects may include death" etc. etc...Between the commercials, the inevitable murder and violence stories, we might not appear to be so "1st world, advanced/civilized" -- compared to 'less developed' nations.


https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/ (https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/)
I am quite sure the despair over covid in the States will be worse than in poor countries because our standard of living is so high and we're basically spoiled....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 15, 2020, 09:23:09 PM

The wealthiest nations on this short list are the ones with greatest declines in life expectancy, as well as living overall deceasing lifespans globally. It is believed that in the few years since they compiled data, suicides have increased, exacerbating the decline. In the USA the "opioid epidemic' has also taken a larger toll.


Things are just getting worse.


Suicides and addictions have caused the younger generation in the USA to decline more than in most places.


We don't need heroin and cocaine from distant nations, we make plenty of our own poison. In fact many OD on their legally obtained prescriptions.


Take into account how obsessed we are with 'depression'--panic attacks and stress and the drugs associated with it and things we once accepted as "Well, life sucks--that's just the way it is"---no wonder we feel hopeless. Add in increasing income disparity and an ever increasing but insatiable materialistic appetite, and it's not looking good.


If an alien came down and watched the TV commercials during the national network news, the alien would probably wonder why we advertise --why we take all those weird sounding drugs for weird sounding problems, while mentioning how "possible side effects may include death" etc. etc...Between the commercials, the inevitable murder and violence stories, we might not appear to be so "1st world, advanced/civilized" -- compared to 'less developed' nations.


https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/ (https://www.oecd.org/about/members-and-partners/)

There are two reasons most Colombians are happier than most Americans.....they know how to socialize.....compared to Colombians....we are Neanderthals when it comes to having a network of friends. And having good friends and relationships is the easiest way to improve your happiness and it doesn't cost a thing really.

The second thing I have noticed here is Colombians are more aware that they are going to die one day....so the live it up in the moment.

And the last thing Colombia has taught me is that God wants us to be happy....doesn't really matter if you were raised as a Protestant in the USA we're it is conceivable that God very well might want you to suffer in life.....because almost everyone here believes God wants you to be happy no matter what you might believe and that one belief has an incredible impact  on society here.

The only thing you really need to know about finding a wife here is that marriage is for procreation and family. If you find a woman here that wants to marry you but doesn't want your children than God only knows what her motivations are. And if you don't want any children with your wife then they will know straight up that she is just a sex toy until something better comes along and will probably treat you accordingly.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 16, 2020, 08:30:52 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN21W0U0
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 16, 2020, 09:38:53 PM
Like I've been sayin----there's gonna be a whole lotta babies being born next Dec-Jan.....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 17, 2020, 12:25:08 PM
Like I've been sayin----there's gonna be a whole lotta babies being born next Dec-Jan.....

Probably more a million abortions in the USA are coming down the pike as well.
But things will be pretty nice here in Colombia ...I'm sure.

It's all the right to lifers have to do is show young American guys the huge difference in the number of young hot chicks in countries with low abortion rates compared to countries with high abortion rates and the guys will all be against abortion.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on May 17, 2020, 02:05:28 PM
I am quite sure the despair over covid in the States will be worse than in poor countries because our standard of living is so high and we're basically spoiled....


I woudnt be so sure of it. People still need to eat to be happy. They dont have any "helicopter money" being dropped on them here, though the congresistas, senadores, alcaldes  and consejos  still hang on to their bloated salaries and bennies.A lot of people very , very hungry, and some cant pay the rent and getting evicted. And you can only cram so many people in an estrato 2 house where only 2 are working. Also a lot of businesse here going bankrupt... permanently.


Not everybody has a gringo or family in the US still working and sending them money..although every time I past Western Union the line up to get in is about 3 blocks long.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 17, 2020, 04:01:40 PM

I woudnt be so sure of it. People still need to eat to be happy. They dont have any "helicopter money" being dropped on them here, though the congresistas, senadores, alcaldes  and consejos  still hang on to their bloated salaries and bennies.A lot of people very , very hungry, and some cant pay the rent and getting evicted. And you can only cram so many people in an estrato 2 house where only 2 are working. Also a lot of businesse here going bankrupt... permanently.


Not everybody has a gringo or family in the US still working and sending them money..although every time I past Western Union the line up to get in is about 3 blocks long.
For my Colombian in laws, nobody was working before, nobody working now. And families there are used to spending alot of time together....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on May 18, 2020, 11:07:02 AM
For my Colombian in laws, nobody was working before, nobody working now. And families there are used to spending alot of time together....


You have a very limited view point of what is happening here, Like I said, only a small proportion have a gringo or Euro sending them money, or family working overseas sending remittances by Western Union. And the governmnet is doing SQUAT to help them.No "Helicpter Money" here.


It is the estratos 2 through 4 who are suffering newly, and even some in 5 and 6.


A lot of people going bankrupt, cant pay rent, cant put food on the table-who were working before or who had family members workig before..who had busineess that are now bankrupt or near bankrupt..or professionals like lawyers and Accountants, Doctors, etc  who had clients that went bankrupt or donthave money, and are now really hurting themselves.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 18, 2020, 01:11:21 PM
Probably more a million abortions in the USA are coming down the pike as well.
But things will be pretty nice here in Colombia ...I'm sure.

It's all the right to lifers have to do is show young American guys the huge difference in the number of young hot chicks in countries with low abortion rates compared to countries with high abortion rates and the guys will all be against abortion.

It's hard to make concrete assumptions about a foreign culture based on numbers. Numbers seemed scarce, old and sketchy about abortion rates and Colombia.
But it appears that 'on paper' Colombia has slightly more (for Latin American) laws allowing abortion under certain conditions. Perhaps a lot more abortions are being done outside of govt clinics and hospitals? A good idea to me, but it sounds like that more than in the USA,  in Colombia , they try and talk women out of having abortions, guilt tripping them.

Maybe like other nations that have an old tradition of Catholicism,  old ways die hard.

But no matter---it sure sounds like there's a pretty young, vibrant, sexually active society down there. Strength and energy therein. Life blood.

Some of the most religious people I've met were hookers, and everywhere and type in between in terms of behavior and religion. Like the 2 pretty young things I turned down,  just as the church bells rang. They both went to Mass instead.

But for various reasons, it doesn't  appear that abortion in Colombia is as easy to get in govt hospitals or that it's considered as casually or automatically a viable option as it is in the USA. Or China, Russia,  Cuba, Brazil etc.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 19, 2020, 08:35:22 PM

You have a very limited view point of what is happening here, Like I said, only a small proportion have a gringo or Euro sending them money, or family working overseas sending remittances by Western Union. And the governmnet is doing SQUAT to help them.No "Helicpter Money" here.


It is the estratos 2 through 4 who are suffering newly, and even some in 5 and 6.


A lot of people going bankrupt, cant pay rent, cant put food on the table-who were working before or who had family members workig before..who had busineess that are now bankrupt or near bankrupt..or professionals like lawyers and Accountants, Doctors, etc  who had clients that went bankrupt or donthave money, and are now really hurting themselves.
My point is that it's worse for first world people. I work a suicide hotline
and take calls from suicidal callers who've lost jobs and hope and are so ready to go I have to keep them on the phone until police arrive. What do you know about those people in the US?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 19, 2020, 10:39:07 PM
It's hard to make concrete assumptions about a foreign culture based on numbers. Numbers seemed scarce, old and sketchy about abortion rates and Colombia.
But it appears that 'on paper' Colombia has slightly more (for Latin American) laws allowing abortion under certain conditions. Perhaps a lot more abortions are being done outside of govt clinics and hospitals? A good idea to me, but it sounds like that more than in the USA,  in Colombia , they try and talk women out of having abortions, guilt tripping them

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/americas/colombia-abortion.amp.html

I think it is probably even harder to make assumptions about a country without ever having set foot in the place. LOL

Abortion is illegal in Colombia unless the life of the mother is at stake....the fetus has medical problems or the pregnancy came from rape.

There are no abortion clinics here ....if the girl meets one of the criteria and wants an abortion then she has to go to a doctor and request it and the abortion is done in a hospital.  All legal abortions are done in a hospital.

No reason to try and guilt trip a woman from having an abortion here.
She either meets the criteria or she doesn't..

If she doesn't meet the criteria and she wants an abortion then she would have to pay for an illegal abortion some where.

I have no idea how many illegal abortions are done here but it would be a small fraction of the abortion rate in the USA.

If a woman is pregnant here people let her g to the front of the line in banks and just about anywhere else.

Instead of handicap parking they have pregnancy parking.

I saw a Mc Donald's commercial on TV here in Colombia years ago that blew my mind.....because I realized that if they showed that commercial in the USA a lot of pro choice women would have boycotted McDonalds.

In the  TV commercial it shows a very pregnant woman driving a car....then it shows an animated baby inside of her tugging on her ambilical chord...then the women looks up and sees the golden arches of a Mc Donald's ....and she smiles and pulls the car into the McDonald's.

Mc Donald's knows how Colombians think.....I would love to see the reaction if Mc Donald's was ever stupid enough to run an ad like that in the USA jajaja

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 20, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/americas/colombia-abortion.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/americas/colombia-abortion.amp.html)

I think it is probably even harder to make assumptions about a country without ever having set foot in the place. LOL

Abortion is illegal in Colombia unless the life of the mother is at stake....the fetus has medical problems or the pregnancy came from rape.

There are no abortion clinics here ....if the girl meets one of the criteria and wants an abortion then she has to go to a doctor and request it and the abortion is done in a hospital.  All legal abortions are done in a hospital.

No reason to try and guilt trip a woman from having an abortion here.
She either meets the criteria or she doesn't..

If she doesn't meet the criteria and she wants an abortion then she would have to pay for an illegal abortion some where.

I have no idea how many illegal abortions are done here but it would be a small fraction of the abortion rate in the USA.

If a woman is pregnant here people let her g to the front of the line in banks and just about anywhere else.

Instead of handicap parking they have pregnancy parking.

I saw a Mc Donald's commercial on TV here in Colombia years ago that blew my mind.....because I realized that if they showed that commercial in the USA a lot of pro choice women would have boycotted McDonalds.

In the  TV commercial it shows a very pregnant woman driving a car....then it shows an animated baby inside of her tugging on her ambilical chord...then the women looks up and sees the golden arches of a Mc Donald's ....and she smiles and pulls the car into the McDonald's.

Mc Donald's knows how Colombians think.....I would love to see the reaction if Mc Donald's was ever stupid enough to run an ad like that in the USA jajaja


I don't pretend to know what even the air smells like there. As I indicated, info (and I didn't spend much time) was old, even sketchy in reporting, Tales of multiple nurses trying to dissuade women, repeatedly showing young pregnant girls baby dolls, putting in their arms etc., etc. All over the world, it's an issue that somehow gets worse if you're trying to get objective info online. So much BS out there.


Just like covid-19 reporting is a world class mess and the internet's handling of it a similar mess.


But as of the latest Colombian Constitutional Court's ruling, (below) it remains really hard for a woman to get a legal abortion there.




A girl gets preggars in a poor nation like that and it's a life changer. I bet it all falls more on family there than here.


In the USA, she gets knocked up, she has a shot at a govt. subsidized appt. and food stamps. If she has two more kids, she's taking home serious govt. money.


Still, I can't begin to tell you how many grandparents are raising their children's children. Their grandchildren. The parents are so F-----ed up that millions of grandparents have to do it.


As a child of divorce and as a divorced father, watching life around me--the overall quality and consistency of 'family life' has gone from bad to worse in the USA. Spouses are more like disposable options and the kids have never been more alienated from their parents.


Don't get me wrong, I thought my parents were total dinosaurs. But add warp speed digital, internet, gaming,  cell phone and just about everything else accelerated into the latest USA generation, and they seem like Smithsonian Historical  Exhibits.


I asked my 22 y/o son a question after he graduated from UGA, into a 96K a year computer job last December.


How come I never got bills for textbooks?


"Uh, Dad---books?--You mean, like "analog"??


I felt like a dinosaur!!




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Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on May 20, 2020, 12:48:44 PM

I don't pretend to know what even the air smells like there. As I indicated, info (and I didn't spend much time) was old, even sketchy in reporting, Tales of multiple nurses trying to dissuade women, repeatedly showing young pregnant girls baby dolls, putting in their arms etc., etc. All over the world, it's an issue that somehow gets worse if you're trying to get objective info online. So much BS out there.


Just like covid-19 reporting is a world class mess and the internet's handling of it a similar mess.


But as of the latest Colombian Constitutional Court's ruling, (below) it remains really hard for a woman to get a legal abortion there.




A girl gets preggars in a poor nation like that and it's a life changer. I bet it all falls more on family there than here.


In the USA, she gets knocked up, she has a shot at a govt. subsidized appt. and food stamps. If she has two more kids, she's taking home serious govt. money.


Still, I can't begin to tell you how many grandparents are raising their children's children. Their grandchildren. The parents are so F-----ed up that millions of grandparents have to do it.


As a child of divorce and as a divorced father, watching life around me--the overall quality and consistency of 'family life' has gone from bad to worse in the USA. Spouses are more like disposable options and the kids have never been more alienated from their parents.


Don't get me wrong, I thought my parents were total dinosaurs. But add warp speed digital, internet, gaming,  cell phone and just about everything else accelerated into the latest USA generation, and they seem like Smithsonian Historical  Exhibits.


I asked my 22 y/o son a question after he graduated from UGA, into a 96K a year computer job last December.


How come I never got bills for textbooks?


"Uh, Dad---books?--You mean, like "analog"??


I felt like a dinosaur!!




[size=78%]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/americas/colombia-abortion.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/world/americas/colombia-abortion.html)[/size]

Spouses, especially husbands, are disposable because "every woman deserves to be with a man who treats her like a queen." That is our current reality in the US. Husbands are like cars, swap em out for a shinier one as soon as you feel any boredom or have to work on it....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 20, 2020, 01:30:55 PM
Spouses, especially husbands, are disposable because "every woman deserves to be with a man who treats her like a queen." That is our current reality in the US. Husbands are like cars, swap em out for a shinier one as soon as you feel any boredom or have to work on it....


Like a few previous (current?) members do, Jedimaster checked in earlier (w/o posting) and this was one of his--I think his last post.





I'd think it resonates beyond the handful of crackers left posting here. Back to my usual (as of late anyway) studies of the late Paul Gauguin, who's artistic adventures and female appreciations I share, albeit over a century later...




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Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 20, 2020, 06:14:16 PM

I don't pretend to know what even the air smells like there. As I indicated, info (and I didn't spend much time) was old, even sketchy in reporting, Tales of multiple nurses trying to dissuade women, repeatedly showing young pregnant girls baby dolls, putting in their arms etc., etc. All over the world, it's an issue that somehow gets worse if you're trying to get objective info online. So much BS out there.

Are you talking about Colombia?

So was it the nurses in a hospital where legal abortions are performed ......trying to talk women that might die if they carry the birth to term....or trying to convince a woman that has a deformed fetus not to abort or maybe they just focus on the women that got pregnant from rape. Because those are the only reasons that permit a legal abortion to be performed.

Or was it the nurses at the doctors offices that preform illegal abortions that  were trying to convince the Colombian women from having an abortion . Jajaja

Robert ....your posts are starting to remind me of Mudds. Jajaja And that isn't a good thing













Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 20, 2020, 08:05:30 PM
Are you talking about Colombia?

So was it the nurses in a hospital where legal abortions are performed ......trying to talk women that might die if they carry the birth to term....or trying to convince a woman that has a deformed fetus not to abort or maybe they just focus on the women that got pregnant from rape. Because those are the only reasons that permit a legal abortion to be performed.

Or was it the nurses at the doctors offices that preform illegal abortions that  were trying to convince the Colombian women from having an abortion . Jajaja

Robert ....your posts are starting to remind me of Mudds. Jajaja And that isn't a good thing

If you look long enough, you'll  find it somewhere on the internet. Especially on such a touchstone issue. If you don't find it, imagine it, slant it this or thattaway and post it however you want.

If you want something written in stone, get yerself a chisel.

Not sure, but maybe it was the hospital nurses at 'Our Lady of Great Agony'....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 20, 2020, 08:51:51 PM
If you look long enough, you'll  find it somewhere on the internet. Especially on such a touchstone issue. If you don't find it, imagine it, slant it this or thattaway and post it however you want.

If you want something written in stone, get yerself a chisel.

Not sure, but maybe it was the hospital nurses at 'Our Lady of Great Agony'....

Got it...new Mudd report. Jajaja

I don't have to look it up to know that  the story isn't plausible. But I do have the benefit of living here .But I understand the internet is a confusing place ....and like I said before this board does more harm than good .....assuming there are any newbies out there.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 21, 2020, 12:14:29 PM
Got it...new Mudd report. Jajaja

I don't have to look it up to know that  the story isn't plausible. But I do have the benefit of living here .But I understand the internet is a confusing place ....and like I said before this board does more harm than good .....assuming there are any newbies out there.


Whah?? --I thought you, Mudd and Uncle Elex were all step brothers!! LOL.......
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on May 21, 2020, 01:55:26 PM

Whah?? --I thought you, Mudd and Uncle Elex were all step brothers!! LOL.......

See more confusion LOL!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 22, 2020, 03:07:42 PM
See more confusion LOL!


The circus always comes to town, one way or another. We're all just players, holding our marks.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 24, 2020, 05:58:20 PM
Malls have been open for weeks, they're drunk and elbow to elbow at the beaches--it's almost like there wasn't any problem. Meanwhile,  we're looking at 100, 000 dead US citizens in three months.

Insane. We get a repeat of this virus and the current economic effects will seem comparatively small.

And like prior recessions and the great depression of the 1930s, as goes the USA's economy,  so goes the rest of the world....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on May 25, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
Malls have been open for weeks, they're drunk and elbow to elbow at the beaches--it's almost like there wasn't any problem. Meanwhile,  we're looking at 100, 000 dead US citizens in three months.

Insane. We get a repeat of this virus and the current economic effects will seem comparatively small.

And like prior recessions and the great depression of the 1930s, as goes the USA's economy,  so goes the rest of the world....

On the contrary, if enough people die there won’t be enough people to fill all the open positions. At some point you gotta start rooting for the virus.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 25, 2020, 12:38:58 PM
On the contrary, if enough people die there won’t be enough people to fill all the open positions. At some point you gotta start rooting for the virus.

You're probably a big Cleveland fan too!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on May 25, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
You're probably a big Cleveland fan too!


Now that’s just plain insulting!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 25, 2020, 02:50:38 PM


Now that’s just plain insulting!!!!  ;D ;D ;D


Pretty mean, alright!:

"The Cleveland sports curse was a sports superstition involving the city of Cleveland, Ohio, and its major league professional sports teams, centered on the failure to win a championship in any major league sport for 52 years, from 1964 to 2016."

Then,  there's that great Cleveland weather!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on May 27, 2020, 08:20:43 PM
This bitch isn't disappearing meekly into the night.....
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Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 01, 2020, 05:51:37 PM
Man this sh!t is getting old. June already, it'll be 90 days this week my wife haven't been apart from each other more than 10 minutes, stuck in our little house 99% of the time. I'm physically out of shape--feck, I'm just overall 'bent' head and body, from all this crap. Like a hamster in a cage, without a wheel. If I had young kids---I'd be in such a piss poor mood that just like hamsters, I'd be at risk of eating them.


So whatta ya gonna do? What everybody under ten and over age 30 does: watch TV. Meanwhile the 'thirty somethings' who don't, run around wild, spreading the virus.


107,000 dead in the USA, 40,000 UK burned or buried, 30,000 in Brazil--so far.


4634 in China.


There are 1.4 BILLION people in China, where it ALL quietly started, with lots of travel, huge cities and 4634 dead???



Just when I thought all the worst covid-19 USA news (with our death #s rising) was our state being 'first' to recklessly drop restrictions (bars and nightclubs opened today despite numbers still high) three redneck racists shot Anmaud Arbery--a  black kid, just an hour south of us----more national news 24X7.


Now another death and the inescapable bad news with the latest police killing of another black man, and we are making shocking headlines worldwide. Come'on everyone, watch America, 'the land of milk and honey' and hooray for hollywood, burning from sea to shining sea. I can feel half the planet, laughing and kicking us while we're down.


I love my country, but we've got real problems and the whole world and their news sources have it front and center.


We look really, really bad now. Torn up by virus, a quarantine and a cancer like hatred of racism that's been simmering and burning four hundred years now.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 02, 2020, 03:18:52 PM
Man this sh!t is getting old. June already, it'll be 90 days this week my wife haven't been apart from each other more than 10 minutes, stuck in our little house 99% of the time. I'm physically out of shape--feck, I'm just overall 'bent' head and body, from all this crap. Like a hamster in a cage, without a wheel. If I had young kids---I'd be in such a piss poor mood that just like hamsters, I'd be at risk of eating them.


So whatta ya gonna do? What everybody under ten and over age 30 does: watch TV. Meanwhile the 'thirty somethings' who don't, run around wild, spreading the virus.


107,000 dead in the USA, 40,000 UK burned or buried, 30,000 in Brazil--so far.


4634 in China.


There are 1.4 BILLION people in China, where it ALL quietly started, with lots of travel, huge cities and 4634 dead???



Just when I thought all the worst covid-19 USA news (with our death #s rising) was our state being 'first' to recklessly drop restrictions (bars and nightclubs opened today despite numbers still high) three redneck racists shot Anmaud Arbery--a  black kid, just an hour south of us----more national news 24X7.


Now another death and the inescapable bad news with the latest police killing of another black man, and we are making shocking headlines worldwide. Come'on everyone, watch America, 'the land of milk and honey' and hooray for hollywood, burning from sea to shining sea. I can feel half the planet, laughing and kicking us while we're down.


I love my country, but we've got real problems and the whole world and their news sources have it front and center.


We look really, really bad now. Torn up by virus, a quarantine and a cancer like hatred of racism that's been simmering and burning four hundred years now.

Well, from reports, or actually a lack thereof, I guess you guys are busy and/or happy as clams in the sand right about now.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 03, 2020, 09:25:34 PM
nahh..this site is just way too boring..


And if you post anything interesting or funny , even tongue and cheek you get all these caustic comments from the peanut gallery..


why bother?


Who the hell keeps this site running, financially  anyway?


Must be you, Robert..
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 03, 2020, 11:05:57 PM
nahh..this site is just way too boring..


And if you post anything interesting or funny , even tongue and cheek you get all these caustic comments from the peanut gallery..


why bother?


Who the hell keeps this site running, financially  anyway?


Must be you, Robert..

Just like life itself,  there's gotta be 'give and take' here. If it was all 'yes men' it'd be even more boring.

You can't be too sensitive and in a way, us ribbing each other has always been an essential element in creating action here. Most of it by far, teasing more than 'mean' natured.

If you follow the numbers, there's a lot more people reading than there are posting here. Ebb and flow-- or the end? Only time will tell and regardless, life will go on!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 06, 2020, 09:50:14 PM
nahh..this site is just way too boring..


And if you post anything interesting or funny , even tongue and cheek you get all these caustic comments from the peanut gallery..


why bother?


Who the hell keeps this site running, financially  anyway?


Must be you, Robert..

If nobody wants to come here anymore,  I'm not gonna stop them!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 09, 2020, 08:09:34 AM
https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders (https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders)


A bit interesting
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 09, 2020, 09:19:44 AM
https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders (https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders)


A bit interesting


Got to have rocks in your head to take some desperate young woman from a 3rd world country back to the states or any developing country.


Better just travel around and have various girlfriends in different countries.


Unless you find the "Unicorn" and you have 1 or more kids with her, and after 10 or 20 years living with her in her country , take her and the kid(s) to your country just before you croak, so they can get better opportunities.


Then there are the desperate sheep-shaggers who bring a woman with 2 or more kids back to thier home country.


There are many of these guys..in Europe, US, wherever.. I cant understand it. Giving up their freeedom, and retirement to be slaves to a women and  kids that arent even his .


And it is not empathy and generosity and benvolance on thier part.It is loneliness , sexlesssness and low self esteem.


With half the money you spend on the women and her kids, you could make hundreds of poor families in the Philipines, Colombia , Laos or wherever, happy, and provide food, health and educational opportunities for scores if not hundreds of third world or developing country children, families, and older people who need the help.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 09, 2020, 09:24:38 AM
Well you finally got me to post something Robert.


Same old sh1t I always post.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 09, 2020, 09:50:02 AM
"""Better just travel around and have various girlfriends in different countries."""

Just not a a viable, affordable option for almost all guys under age 60 in the USA. Most are working and don't have the time or money. Some have businesses, families etc.  That also extends to a lesser extent to guys over age 60.

Very hard for most guys to be 'footloose and fancy free'---there are ties that bind most guys to one location.

Then, once you hit age 60, your appeal to women in 3rd world nations--your 'marketability' goes wayyyy down, so the number of good, younger, available and attractive women goes down. There's a lot of available  35 to 45 year olds who want kids--and/or already have ones at home. The 45 to 55 year old segment shows less risk, but more often than not, their age has taken a toll.

Yet most guys in their mid 50's & 60s still are (whether for play or marriage minded) clicking on, pursuing the  young hotties--they don't 'get it'. Their balls and brains think they're still 39 y/o guys.

So like moths drawn to the flame, they expose themselves to greater risk, which increases proportionate to their increasing age.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 09, 2020, 10:18:17 AM
Well you finally got me to post something Robert.


Same old sh1t I always post.

But it's 'good sh!t! Nothing's perfect,  but to a lot of guys, your being able to 'practice what you preach' demonstrates that it can be done. And other guys have had great times enjoying the life and the women, in Colombia, in S. America. And some,  Dennis L, and Andy L, did quite well on very basic budgets, sometimes tutoring English etc when finances got real tight.

A lot more things are possible than impossible. And most things an individual views as 'impossible' are merely that way in their minds.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 09, 2020, 12:56:58 PM

Got to have rocks in your head to take some desperate young woman from a 3rd world country back to the states or any developing country.


Better just travel around and have various girlfriends in different countries.


Unless you find the "Unicorn" and you have 1 or more kids with her, and after 10 or 20 years living with her in her country , take her and the kid(s) to your country just before you croak, so they can get better opportunities.


Then there are the desperate sheep-shaggers who bring a woman with 2 or more kids back to thier home country.


There are many of these guys..in Europe, US, wherever.. I cant understand it. Giving up their freeedom, and retirement to be slaves to a women and  kids that arent even his .


And it is not empathy and generosity and benvolance on thier part.It is loneliness , sexlesssness and low self esteem.


With half the money you spend on the women and her kids, you could make hundreds of poor families in the Philipines, Colombia , Laos or wherever, happy, and provide food, health and educational opportunities for scores if not hundreds of third world or developing country children, families, and older people who need the help.

I see guys in the USA marrying gringas with another guys children all the time. Of course the losers are going to think that they are going to think they are getting a better deal with a younger hotter chick from a third world counrry.

I brought a trophy wife to the USA and I'm no worst for the wear. I had a good time ... certainly much more enjoyable than the gringas i was attracting in my late 30's.

I'll be bringing my wife to the USA when my daughter is 5. I'll be 62 and my wife will be 34.

I know that there will be a million losers in the USA that will think that stealing my wife and raising my daughter would be a good way to spend their lives.

But they haven't met me yet. Jajaja

My wife understands that if things don't work out between us that my daughter living with another man is not an option.

Of course I would try and show the guy where he can get a younger hotter wife without children...but if that doesn't work ...I will just have to take him out.

I don't think it will come to that since my wife already knows me well enough that it would be a death sentence for the guy and probably me as well.

Guys in Colombia aren't much interested in
marrying women with children or even cohabitating with them.

So why am I going to go back to the States with millions of sex starved guys.

Because my wife and daughter will get about $2700 a month in Social Security benefits and I want my daughter to be educated in the USA.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 09, 2020, 02:04:17 PM
"""Better just travel around and have various girlfriends in different countries."""

Just not a a viable, affordable option for almost all guys under age 60 in the USA. Most are working and don't have the time or money. Some have businesses, families etc.  That also extends to a lesser extent to guys over age 60.

Very hard for most guys to be 'footloose and fancy free'---there are ties that bind most guys to one location.

Then, once you hit age 60, your appeal to women in 3rd world nations--your 'marketability' goes wayyyy down, so the number of good, younger, available and attractive women goes down. There's a lot of available  35 to 45 year olds who want kids--and/or already have ones at home. The 45 to 55 year old segment shows less risk, but more often than not, their age has taken a toll.


Yet most guys in their mid 50's & 60s still are (whether for play or marriage minded) clicking on, pursuing the  young hotties--they don't 'get it'. Their balls and brains think they're still 39 y/o guys.

So like moths drawn to the flame, they expose themselves to greater risk, which increases proportionate to their increasing age.


Sour grapes ja ja aja (well maybe not in your case)


When I am 80 I will still be doing better (happier)  than a 40 year old even a 30 year old sheep shagger that brings the Brady Bunch to the US..


There is an 80 year old guy who used to be on this site, who has a 40 Y.O. "wife" in Colombia and is quite happy


Maybe I wll be able to go out with only 1% of the younger ones ..instead of 5%..still leaves millions available


And no, I dont think I am 39, though I am in better shape than most 39 year olds (Dont know how long that will last..but I will make sure it lasts long as possible)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 09, 2020, 02:11:40 PM
Reallly I have nothing against guys that want to bring a woman with a bunch of kids to the US, or marry any women with kids.


Just something I would never think of doing, in my wildest dreams, and it boggles my mind why guys do it, consider all the financial, emotional heartache and risk..
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on June 09, 2020, 03:21:02 PM
https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders (https://cis.org/North/Countries-Send-Us-Suspiciously-Large-Numbers-Fiance-Visa-Holders)


A bit interesting

I honestly think if it wasn’t so easy for Canadians to cross the border just to visit or come over on a work visa for a while and just never leave, the number of K1 applicants from Canada would be a lot higher. I personally know two men in the tristate area living with Canadian Women that have been in the U.S. illegally for years. My suspicion is up north this happens a lot more than anyone realizes. Even when I was working in Montreal for a few months a couple of years ago I’d meet women and men that were dating or engaged to people in Vermont and Maine. I think obtaining a K1 visa was probably the furthest thing from their minds. I might be wrong. I’m sure Expat will chime in on that.

The willingness to date a single mother, in Latin America at least, improves upon how attractive the pool of women that are willing to date you by at least 2 points. If you can get a nice looking 7 with no kids in Colombia, you can most definitely get a 9 with kids!!! If she has multiple children and you’re actually willing to financially support your ready made family, the sky’s the limit!!!! There’s nothing wrong with it. I’ve dated single mothers in Colombia and Brazil. I’ve never however, been a father to those children on any level except for maybe the occasional birthday or Christmas gift.

The problem is men that delude themselves by thinking these relationships are built on genuine, sincere love....because I’d say 95% of the time THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT!!!! Most women love their children more than anything. Especially Latinas!! They are usually 100% willing to love and devote themselves to a man they have absolutely no physical or emotional attraction to if that means improving upon their child(ren)’s quality of life. But Cali and Expat are correct. Bringing them stateside completely eliminates her need to continue that façade. There will be plenty of other better looking, richer men willing to do exactly what you were doing back SOTB. Better to leave them where they are. Like Cali said....Colombian Men don’t want to carry on relationships with these women anyway; and honestly Brazil isn’T too different IMHO. At worst all you have to worry about is her getting bored and %ucking some other guy...and let’s face it. What you don’t know won’t hurt you.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 09, 2020, 07:25:01 PM
Seeing this is my 6000th P.L. post, I can say from experience that you guys need to stop all these long azz, wordy, rambling posts! :P
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 09, 2020, 08:04:25 PM
I honestly think if it wasn’t so easy for Canadians to cross the border just to visit or come over on a work visa for a while and just never leave, the number of K1 applicants from Canada would be a lot higher. I personally know two men in the tristate area living with Canadian Women that have been in the U.S. illegally for years. My suspicion is up north this happens a lot more than anyone realizes. Even when I was working in Montreal for a few months a couple of years ago I’d meet women and men that were dating or engaged to people in Vermont and Maine. I think obtaining a K1 visa was probably the furthest thing from their minds. I might be wrong. I’m sure Expat will chime in on that.

The willingness to date a single mother, in Latin America at least, improves upon how attractive the pool of women that are willing to date you by at least 2 points. If you can get a nice looking 7 with no kids in Colombia, you can most definitely get a 9 with kids!!! If she has multiple children and you’re actually willing to financially support your ready made family, the sky’s the limit!!!! There’s nothing wrong with it. I’ve dated single mothers in Colombia and Brazil. I’ve never however, been a father to those children on any level except for maybe the occasional birthday or Christmas gift.

The problem is men that delude themselves by thinking these relationships are built on genuine, sincere love....because I’d say 95% of the time THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE NOT!!!! Most women love their children more than anything. Especially Latinas!! They are usually 100% willing to love and devote themselves to a man they have absolutely no physical or emotional attraction to if that means improving upon their child(ren)’s quality of life. But Cali and Expat are correct. Bringing them stateside completely eliminates her need to continue that façade. There will be plenty of other better looking, richer men willing to do exactly what you were doing back SOTB. Better to leave them where they are. Like Cali said....Colombian Men don’t want to carry on relationships with these women anyway; and honestly Brazil isn’T too different IMHO. At worst all you have to worry about is her getting bored and %ucking some other guy...and let’s face it. What you don’t know won’t hurt you.


Could be wrong, I think the Quebec to Vermont and Maine thing is because there are a lot of North American  French inhabitants and culture  in these two states for centuries-and a lot of intermingling. And people with similar cultures naturally "click".


After all, the "New world" French have been in that area for almost 500 years now.

https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/the-little-canadas-of-new-england/#:~:text=Between%201840%20and%201930%2C%20about,%E2%80%9C). (https://www.newenglandhistoricalsociety.com/the-little-canadas-of-new-england/#:~:text=Between%201840%20and%201930%2C%20about,%E2%80%9C).)


On a personal note., I worked and "lived" (well my nomadic version of living anyway)  2 years in the US
in the 1980s. In Oregon and Florida,


In those days it was pretty easy.Just tell Immigration you were down on extended business trips.


But then Reagan or whoever was president then started to clamp down on "ilegals" and when I was in Florida, the management told me about big fines and sent my a$$ back to Calgary to get a TC visa. TC Visa was a temporary Canadian Visa they had back then , which was part of the Canada / US Trade agreement.


In Oregon, they used to say I was the local "Frost Back" worker.


Ohh.those were  the good old days in many ways..nowadays , these are the good old days in many ways. wish what I know now, I knew back then.



"Genuine sincere Love"..ohh yeah really, kinda like rainows. butterflies,  lollipops , fairy dust and Unicorn farts..


Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on June 10, 2020, 10:14:13 AM
I see guys in the USA marrying gringas with another guys children all the time. Of course the losers are going to think that they are going to think they are getting a better deal with a younger hotter chick from a third world counrry.

I brought a trophy wife to the USA and I'm no worst for the wear. I had a good time ... certainly much more enjoyable than the gringas i was attracting in my late 30's.

I'll be bringing my wife to the USA when my daughter is 5. I'll be 62 and my wife will be 34.

I know that there will be a million losers in the USA that will think that stealing my wife and raising my daughter would be a good way to spend their lives.

But they haven't met me yet. Jajaja

My wife understands that if things don't work out between us that my daughter living with another man is not an option.

Of course I would try and show the guy where he can get a younger hotter wife without children...but if that doesn't work ...I will just have to take him out.

I don't think it will come to that since my wife already knows me well enough that it would be a death sentence for the guy and probably me as well.

Guys in Colombia aren't much interested in
marrying women with children or even cohabitating with them.

So why am I going to go back to the States with millions of sex starved guys.

Because my wife and daughter will get about $2700 a month in Social Security benefits and I want my daughter to be educated in the USA.
The moment you set foot in the US with your wife and child you'll lose alot of leverage. At the same time this is coming from me, and the main reason I'm in the States is so my daughter can get a good education.... but I do send them to a good charter school, so it's not even a normal American school...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 10, 2020, 12:16:30 PM
The moment you set foot in the US with your wife and child you'll lose alot of leverage. At the same time this is coming from me, and the main reason I'm in the States is so my daughter can get a good education.... but I do send them to a good charter school, so it's not even a normal American school...

I already have my daughter's private school picked out.

Having spent most of my life in Arizona and watching the children of my friends and family grow up.....I have a good idea which private schools have a tendency to produce not just well educated kids but successful kids.

At a certain point the parents have a lot less influence over their children than do their childrens peers.

So it is imperative that your child makes friends with other kids that have similar goals.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on June 10, 2020, 03:41:39 PM
I already have my daughter's private school picked out.

Having spent most of my life in Arizona and watching the children of my friends and family grow up.....I have a good idea which private schools have a tendency to produce not just well educated kids but successful kids.

At a certain point the parents have a lot less influence over their children than do their childrens peers.

So it is imperative that your child makes friends with other kids that have similar goals.
Agree 100%. Just know your wife will be hit on constantly and aggressively.  I'm amazed by the lengths American men will go to to try to f-ck another man's hot wife....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 10, 2020, 06:03:51 PM
Yeah, 1st thing that came to mind was the kid's schooling and comfort/fluency with not just spoken English, but writings English 'structure'as well. At least as good as you can expect of a five year old anyway. But at any age, not being 'quite the same' language wise can  be challenging.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 11, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
I see guys in the USA marrying gringas with another guys children all the time. Of course the losers are going to think that they are going to think they are getting a better deal with a younger hotter chick from a third world counrry.

I brought a trophy wife to the USA and I'm no worst for the wear. I had a good time ... certainly much more enjoyable than the gringas i was attracting in my late 30's.

I'll be bringing my wife to the USA when my daughter is 5. I'll be 62 and my wife will be 34.

I know that there will be a million losers in the USA that will think that stealing my wife and raising my daughter would be a good way to spend their lives.

But they haven't met me yet. Jajaja

My wife understands that if things don't work out between us that my daughter living with another man is not an option.

Of course I would try and show the guy where he can get a younger hotter wife without children...but if that doesn't work ...I will just have to take him out.

I don't think it will come to that since my wife already knows me well enough that it would be a death sentence for the guy and probably me as well.

Guys in Colombia aren't much interested in
marrying women with children or even cohabitating with them.

So why am I going to go back to the States with millions of sex starved guys.

Because my wife and daughter will get about $2700 a month in Social Security benefits and I want my daughter to be educated in the USA.

Don't people 62 and older who live overseas have their SS checks auto deposited into their USA bank accounts and then continue to live overseas, just accessing their bank funds electronically?

I'd guess 90%+ of US citizens draw between  $1400 and $1900 a month SS. How can someone draw $2700?

Even if you can draw from your Exwife's SS,
that seems a stretch and at that,  I thought to collect off of your Ex's you have to be non married.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: ignorante on June 11, 2020, 10:06:06 AM
If you wait until 70, the max benefit is $3790 a month.  At 62, the max is only $2265.  Hitting those numbers means you have a salary of $137,700 or higher (2020) on which payroll taxes are assessed.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 11, 2020, 11:17:35 AM
https://www.amazon.com/Get-Whats-Yours-Revised-Security/dp/1501144766 (https://www.amazon.com/Get-Whats-Yours-Revised-Security/dp/1501144766)




I got this book and it didn't seem to indicate anything as described above. Although it was BEFORE the 2016-2018 changes included edition, I've seen the $2700 amount mentioned here before then.


Any additional SS info--source recommendations--including PMs, would be much appreciated!




I would certainly love to get more at age 62, w/o waiting additional years to add 7% or so annually for each additional year I wait.


But my SS at age 62 as indicated 'by the govt' is under 2K a month.


I figure I'll wait until age 64 or so before drawing, although I could probably afford to wait longer. I'm retired on pension--that's about 80% of my prior income, so SS would kick me over that amount to where I'd take home more.


Meanwhile, as long as I have north of 100K or so saved (liquid cash) to cover emergencies without needing to use credit for another car, anything house repairs/appliances/improvements/health related/emergencies/travel) I'll just keep dipping out of savings each year, burning liquid cash--(my achille's heel in a divorce) then when I elect to  draw, hopefully things will be OK.


I can do that for a while actually--my 'cash pad' is OK for a while--although if I bought a new (wife approved!) C8 Corvette, the balance would change.

I can't draw on my still working and single older ex's SS, because I remarried.


If you had a twin brother and YOU took SS at age 62 and HE waited until the traditional 'full' age of 67, it wouldn't be until you both reached AGE 83 that (if both of you are still alive) that he would ONLY then to begin to pull ahead, in terms of total amount of $$$$$ that you both will have taken from SS.


BUT, you'll have received SS checks for five years--more active years, age 62 to 67, while during those same years, your brother got none, waiting for more later at 67 instead.


For my 24 years younger wife, the good news is when I die, she'll possibly get some of my SS. (Half my pension kicks in right away) The bad news is she'll probably have to be single and 62 y/o before SS sends her a dime!!

Latest so called 'news' is that pre covid-19, SS WAS actuarially sound (solvent) until 2035. Now they say due to covid-19, it's 2033. But don't worry--they'll raise payroll taxes to cover it!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 11, 2020, 11:42:09 AM
Don't people 62 and older who live overseas have their SS checks auto deposited into their USA bank accounts and then continue to live overseas, just accessing their bank funds electronically?

I'd guess 90%+ of US citizens draw between  $1400 and $1900 a month SS. How can someone draw $2700?

Even if you can draw from your Exwife's SS,
that seems a stretch and at that,  I thought to collect off of your Ex's you have to be non married.

My SS benefit is $1814 at the age of 62....but my full retirement benefit at the age of 67 is $2577 per month.

When I collect my 1814 at age 62 my minor child is entitled to half of my full retirement benefit or 1288.50 a month and my wife will be entitled to child in care benefits of 1288.50 per month also.

My wife needs to be a US resident and have a SS number to get that benefit

My total family income from SS will be $4391 per month.

My wife will collect the 1288.50 until my daughter turns 16 and my daughter will collect her 1288.50 until she turns 18.

You might want to think about giving your wife that child before it's too late
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 11, 2020, 01:09:10 PM
My SS benefit is $1814 at the age of 62....but my full retirement benefit at the age of 67 is $2577 per month.

When I collect my 1814 at age 62 my minor child is entitled to half of my full retirement benefit or 1288.50 a month and my wife will be entitled to child in care benefits of 1288.50 per month also.

My wife needs to be a US resident and have a SS number to get that benefit

My wife will collect the 1288.50 until my daughter turns 16 and my daughter will collect her 1288.50 until she turns 18.



That's with you ALIVE, collecting your SS benefit AND with your wife under age 62?--meaning your young wife can collect her own SS "child in care benefits" for how long?


As I read the facts, I can grasp a 'death benefit' if you die, covering your CHILD (at a % of YOUR SS level before your death) and maybe until she's 18 or as long as she's in school, up to age 21.


And I'd think any additional (third SS income source) $$$$ your wife might stand to collect "child in care" now would stop once your child is 18 and or done with college.


I've never had any reason to doubt your factuality, but like Momma said:


"If it sounds too good to be true...."


Going from $1814 a month to $4381 a month, just because you married and had a child from overseas, then brought them here and got them SS numbers sounds too good to be true. But God bless America and I hope 'the check's in the mail' for the three ( or more) of you!! I mean--ya gotta LOVE this place!!


Maybe I oughta conceive eight or so kids (8 X 9 months = 72 months) or marry and adopt some foreign woman with eight youngins, ready to come here!? Think of the exponential cash flow!! Plenty of $$$$ for live in nannies!


Why aren't tons of guys doing this?


But I think that regardless of whether or not your child can SS qualify for $1200+ a month now (as the law stands) and your wife can qualify for her own separate 1200+ a month while you're alive, that the gravy train stops once the kid/s become adults--that there's also a limiting 'stop point' for that separate "child in care" check portion your wife might get.


I think upon your death and your child becoming legally an adult --it changes ALL that. Once you die, and after the kid's grown, your wife won't see a cent of SS, no survivor's benefit until AFTER she's 62.


Again-- that your wife won't see any of that after your child's an adult--in fact your wife won't see any SS after the kid's grown and you die, at least UNTIL she's 62! I am far from expert--but that's how I have see it working, unless there's disability involved.....


It's scary enough thinking how the huge age gap between my wife and I will only become increasingly and painfully apparent in 15-20 years. She's gotten pissed off a couple times and reminded me: " And WHO do you think is going to change your diapers some day???"""--She may be sweet, but she ain't stupid!! If it was when the kid leaves (or later)  that money went down, If our SS--if any of  our income/s dropped suddenly about then, it wouldn't make things any easier. She for SURE won't still be there for my long gone 'good looks!'

In advent of any divorce in my situation, my pension and any SS benefits once I begin to collect,  aren't subject to division, In fact, my pension, my income there would go UP, as I opted for a lower pension amount that would leave her 50% her whole life if I died, plus COLAs. That pension amount would revert back to maximum for me if I became single.. And I think she'd have to be single, AND age 62 before she could draw from my SS after my death.


While making (collecting) more $$$$ would obviously have appeal I wouldn't refuse, it's not lost on me that right now, remaining married to me makes more financial sense to my wife (and to me) than does her divorcing me or my dying too soon. We still need each other and it's good both personally and financially. Just pray when (if) I'm pushing 90 and she's in her 60's, still looking like a rocking 30's, that she doesn't leave my wrinkled ass behind.

But sometimes I do miss the indescribably wonderful sound of a child's laughter. It's as close to a real 'youth tonic' as has ever been invented. And it's beyond monetary remuneratory value!!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on June 11, 2020, 02:02:32 PM
https://www.amazon.com/Get-Whats-Yours-Revised-Security/dp/1501144766 (https://www.amazon.com/Get-Whats-Yours-Revised-Security/dp/1501144766)




I got this book and it didn't seem to indicate anything as described above. Although it was BEFORE the 2016-2018 changes included edition, I've seen the $2700 amount mentioned here before then.


Any additional SS info--source recommendations--including PMs, would be much appreciated!




I would certainly love to get more at age 62, w/o waiting additional years to add 7% or so annually for each additional year I wait.


But my SS at age 62 as indicated 'by the govt' is under 2K a month.


I figure I'll wait until age 64 or so before drawing, although I could probably afford to wait longer. I'm retired on pension--that's about 80% of my prior income, so SS would kick me over that amount to where I'd take home more.


Meanwhile, as long as I have north of 100K or so saved (liquid cash) to cover emergencies without needing to use credit for another car, anything house repairs/appliances/improvements/health related/emergencies/travel) I'll just keep dipping out of savings each year, burning liquid cash--(my achille's heel in a divorce) then when I elect to  draw, hopefully things will be OK.


I can do that for a while actually--my 'cash pad' is OK for a while--although if I bought a new (wife approved!) C8 Corvette, the balance would change.

I can't draw on my still working and single older ex's SS, because I remarried.


If you had a twin brother and YOU took SS at age 62 and HE waited until the traditional 'full' age of 67, it wouldn't be until you both reached AGE 83 that (if both of you are still alive) that he would ONLY then to begin to pull ahead, in terms of total amount of $$$$$ that you both will have taken from SS.


BUT, you'll have received SS checks for five years--more active years, age 62 to 67, while during those same years, your brother got none, waiting for more later at 67 instead.


For my 24 years younger wife, the good news is when I die, she'll possibly get some of my SS. (Half my pension kicks in right away) The bad news is she'll probably have to be single and 62 y/o before SS sends her a dime!!

Latest so called 'news' is that pre covid-19, SS WAS actuarially sound (solvent) until 2035. Now they say due to covid-19, it's 2033. But don't worry--they'll raise payroll taxes to cover it!
Man, that is sweet that your pension is almost 80%. I only lasted 12 years in.my county job (it's all I could take without going nuts) so next year at 50 I will be able to collect 24% monthly  which hopefully I can save until I actually retire,  hopefully by age 60...As for SS, I'll be 62 in 2033 with two girls in college so I will need to start collecting...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 11, 2020, 02:41:44 PM
My SS benefit is $1814 at the age of 62....but my full retirement benefit at the age of 67 is $2577 per month.

When I collect my 1814 at age 62 my minor child is entitled to half of my full retirement benefit or 1288.50 a month and my wife will be entitled to child in care benefits of 1288.50 per month also.

My wife needs to be a US resident and have a SS number to get that benefit

My total family income from SS will be $4391 per month.

My wife will collect the 1288.50 until my daughter turns 16 and my daughter will collect her 1288.50 until she turns 18.

You might want to think about giving your wife that child before it's too late

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tomhager/2018/05/07/social-security-benefits-dont-forget-the-kids/amp/

My wife will collect child in care benefits until our daughter is 16 or a little over 10 years

There isn't much point in having more children because SS limits a family's benefits to 150 to 180 percent of your full retirement benefit.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 11, 2020, 03:01:36 PM
Man, that is sweet that your pension is almost 80%. I only lasted 12 years in.my county job (it's all I could take without going nuts) so next year at 50 I will be able to collect 24% monthly  which hopefully I can save until I actually retire,  hopefully by age 60...As for SS, I'll be 62 in 2033 with two girls in college so I will need to start collecting...


It's really 62% based on 31 years But when you realize no SS deduction anymore, no 401/403 being pulled and less other deductions--no worthless union dues, lower taxes and a few other less deductions, it adds up in terms of real, actual 'take home pay' to north of 75%. Plus 1.5% increases each Jan 1st and July 1st--compounded, that's a wee bit more than a 3% cost of living increase annually, guaranteed--that really helps long term. And the pension fund is very sound--not linked to the stock market. I pay for Bluecross Blue Shield health at same rate, but at age 65, will have go to govt. health care w/ added supplement--for about the same amount of money.


If ONLY my young wife could piggy back onto my healthcare or if there was good (govt or otherwise) 'affordable  healthcare' --it would be mighty tempting for her to just stay home--quit work.


It'd be a bit tougher financially and I'd probably have to give up my "Corvette dreams" if only to be better able so  she could retire early--but she'd have no healthcare, Hell--we haven't been apart for more than a few minutes since Covid-19 a few months ago, it'd prolly work!


But looking back, my/our happiest times were when we watched our pennies more--when seafood and steak seemed like we were Bill and Melinda Gates, when a vacay was a rare, big deal. Hell, when I could buy my kids the latest Nintendo, Xbox systems & games, take them out for fast food and a movie, when we clipped coupons and bought stuff at garage sales, it was great sport! When a bargain really elicited a 'happy dance'! It wasn't Burger King--it was the 'BK Lounge' and Goodwill was the 'GW Boutique'! ;D


The most totally Eff'ed up, psychiatrist seeing people are RICH people. I know them all too well.


Not saying barely scraping by is any fun, but:


"""Big money brings big problems.""""!


To me, being 'successful' - has less to do with money and more to do with being content--even happy with your overall lives.


I don't know if I'm happy, annoyed or confused that the millions of very poor people in my wife's country seem so *&#% much happier than 99% of the working stiffs in our middle class USA subdivision life!!


When I begin to throw myself a 'pity party'---including back when I was working and struggling at times with my kids, I could quickly imagine a million other scenarios a lot worse--a worse job (and my job's stress actually put me in the hospital once)--or NO job, or my kids in a wheelchair--or a mentally ill or otherwise sick wife.

I try not to get too complacent--being grateful works better for me than coveting what I don't or can't have. I have to remind myself to stop bitching sometimes, but trying to maintain positivity and not crying when as inevitably something does go bad, gets me through most days: "It could be worse....I suppose"
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 11, 2020, 03:18:36 PM

That's with you ALIVE, collecting your SS benefit AND with your wife under age 62?--meaning your young wife can collect her own SS "child in care benefits" for how long?


As I read the facts, I can grasp a 'death benefit' if you die, covering your CHILD (at a % of YOUR SS level before your death) and maybe until she's 18 or as long as she's in school, up to age 21.


And I'd think any additional (third SS income source) $$$$ your wife might stand to collect "child in care" now would stop once your child is 18 and or done with college.


I've never had any reason to doubt your factuality, but like Momma said:


"If it sounds too good to be true...."


Going from $1814 a month to $4381 a month, just because you married and had a child from overseas, then brought them here and got them SS numbers sounds too good to be true. But God bless America and I hope 'the check's in the mail' for the three ( or more) of you!! I mean--ya gotta LOVE this place!!


Maybe I oughta conceive eight or so kids (8 X 9 months = 72 months) or marry and adopt some foreign woman with eight youngins, ready to come here!? Think of the exponential cash flow!! Plenty of $$$$ for live in nannies!


Why aren't tons of guys doing this?


But I think that regardless of whether or not your child can SS qualify for $1200+ a month now (as the law stands) and your wife can qualify for her own separate 1200+ a month while you're alive, that the gravy train stops once the kid/s become adults--that there's also a limiting 'stop point' for that separate "child in care" check portion your wife might get.


I think upon your death and your child becoming legally an adult --it changes ALL that. Once you die, and after the kid's grown, your wife won't see a cent of SS, no survivor's benefit until AFTER she's 62.


Again-- that your wife won't see any of that after your child's an adult--in fact your wife won't see any SS after the kid's grown and you die, at least UNTIL she's 62! I am far from expert--but that's how I have see it working, unless there's disability involved.....


It's scary enough thinking how the huge age gap between my wife and I will only become increasingly and painfully apparent in 15-20 years. If it was when the kid leaves, If our SS--if any of  our income/s dropped suddenly about then, it wouldn't make things any easier.

In advent of any divorce in my situation, my pension and any SS benefits once I begin to collect,  aren't subject to division, In fact, my pension, my income there would go UP, as I opted for a lower pension amount that would leave her 50% her whole life I died. That pension amount would revert back to maximum. And I think she'd have to be single, AND age 62 before she could draw from my SS after my death.


While making (collecting) more $$$$ would obviously have appeal I wouldn't refuse, it's not lost on me that right now, remaining married to me makes more financial sense to my wife her divorcing me or my dying. We still need each other and it's good both personally and financially.

But sometimes I do miss the indescribably wonderful sound of a child's laughter. It's as close to a real 'youth tonic' as has ever been invented. And it's beyond monetary remuneratory value!!


Man...and people think Canada is a socialist state--I guess not


Al you get in Canada, unless you are dirt poor, ids tax deductions for kids
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 11, 2020, 03:22:04 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tomhager/2018/05/07/social-security-benefits-dont-forget-the-kids/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/tomhager/2018/05/07/social-security-benefits-dont-forget-the-kids/amp/)

My wife will collect child in care benefits until our daughter is 16 or a little over 10 years

There isn't much point in having more children because SS limits a family's benefits to 150 to 180 percent of your full retirement benefit.


Damn you CP!!!--I've been on the phone with international adoption agencies ALL day!


YOU talk to my wife!!!  :D :D
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 11, 2020, 07:22:26 PM

Damn you CP!!!--I've been on the phone with international adoption agencies ALL day!


YOU talk to my wife!!!  :D :D

I don't think having a baby is a get rich scheme. Jajaja

But if you want a child then have one of your own if your wife is open to the idea.
I know your wife might be changing your diapers one day ....but I would hate to see her start a cat colony one day like I see a lot of older childless women do.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 19, 2020, 06:24:45 PM
Where's the "Mudd Report" lately? Surely, the USA can't 100% dominate the bad news market! I've been running 4 news feeds at once lately and they're all often running USA virus/civil rights/trump stories, all running the same story at the same time, inc. the BBC news. Depressing...


Where's the good poop, Mudd? -ours is beyond old.....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 20, 2020, 12:52:16 PM
Well, after 2 months of lock down(severe)things are finally opening up here,but unfortunately, COVID  cases and deaths are skyrocketing exponentially.


But you can get all that info. from the worldometer site


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 20, 2020, 03:15:46 PM
Well, after 2 months of lock down(severe)things are finally opening up here,but unfortunately, COVID  cases and deaths are skyrocketing exponentially.


But you can get all that info. from the worldometer site


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)




A quick search on a chromebook (google android) for "latest covid-19 South America" gave nothing newer than June 1st, The internet sucks worse than ever b4.
Entering 'Colombia" and I got this 7 day old article> [size=78%]https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/13/colombias-medellin-emerges-as-surprise-covid-19-pioneer/ (https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/13/colombias-medellin-emerges-as-surprise-covid-19-pioneer/)[/size]


I tell you, if a city of 2.5 million (Medellin) has only 4 deaths so far, they must be doing something right.


We don't have 300,000 people and we think with 'only' 32 deaths, people think that we're doing great, so party down! Soooo stupid and undisciplined here. The age 21 to 30's are running around like it's rave time or something---they have by far the greatest number of positive tests, although they the least likely age group to come in to be tested.


My 29 y/o son has collected $1200 up front, then $600 a week federal and an additional $365 (=$965 a week) unemployment from the state since early March until August, to go beaching, kayaking, fishing (with my gear) drink $30+ a bottle wine, 'dine'--etc.


Yep, fifty grand a year to NOT work, (some states --NY, HI, CN--pay a lot more than $365 a week) although he could make as much as $300 additional ea week on the side, w/o losing any govt benefits.


But why spoil the party for a few hundred measley bucks, when you know you're gonna eat and make rent no matta what? Whatta country....


Imagine, it's like the longest 'summer vacation' we ever had as kids.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 22, 2020, 10:32:30 AM

Dont know where you read that crap, but although Medellin is doing better than other parts of Colombia, there are way more than 4 deaths.




A quick search on a chromebook (google android) for "latest covid-19 South America" gave nothing newer than June 1st, The internet sucks worse than ever b4.
Entering 'Colombia" and I got this 7 day old article> [size=78%]https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/13/colombias-medellin-emerges-as-surprise-covid-19-pioneer/ (https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/13/colombias-medellin-emerges-as-surprise-covid-19-pioneer/)[/size]


I tell you, if a city of 2.5 million (Medellin) has only 4 deaths so far, they must be doing something right.


We don't have 300,000 people and we think with 'only' 32 deaths, people think that we're doing great, so party down! Soooo stupid and undisciplined here. The age 21 to 30's are running around like it's rave time or something---they have by far the greatest number of positive tests, although they the least likely age group to come in to be tested.


My 29 y/o son has collected $1200 up front, then $600 a week federal and an additional $365 (=$965 a week) unemployment from the state since early March until August, to go beaching, kayaking, fishing (with my gear) drink $30+ a bottle wine, 'dine'--etc.


Yep, fifty grand a year to NOT work, (some states --NY, HI, CN--pay a lot more than $365 a week) although he could make as much as $300 additional ea week on the side, w/o losing any govt benefits.


But why spoil the party for a few hundred measley bucks, when you know you're gonna eat and make rent no matta what? Whatta country....


Imagine, it's like the longest 'summer vacation' we ever had as kids.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 22, 2020, 11:39:47 AM
Dont know where you read that crap, but although Medellin is doing better than other parts of Colombia, there are way more than 4 deaths.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/13/world/americas/ap-lt-virus-outbreak-trailblazing-medellin.html
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 22, 2020, 06:59:35 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/06/13/world/americas/ap-lt-virus-outbreak-trailblazing-medellin.html

Yesterdays news

Here are the latest stats

https://mobile.twitter.com/diegocsarpaz/status/1274836882254372864/photo/1
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 22, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Yesterdays news

Here are the latest stats

https://mobile.twitter.com/diegocsarpaz/status/1274836882254372864/photo/1 (https://mobile.twitter.com/diegocsarpaz/status/1274836882254372864/photo/1)


As of the 17th of June there where only 4 deaths due to the corona virus in the city of Medellin and 7 total in the Aburra Valley.


I imagine the cases of infection will go up after the "Dia sin IVA". What a stupid thing to do during a pandemic. Pales in comparison to a Trump rally. jajaja


https://www.metropol.gov.co/tableros/tablero_covid_19.aspx (https://www.metropol.gov.co/tableros/tablero_covid_19.aspx)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 23, 2020, 01:32:44 PM

As of the 17th of June there where only 4 deaths due to the corona virus in the city of Medellin and 7 total in the Aburra Valley.


I imagine the cases of infection will go up after the "Dia sin IVA". What a stupid thing to do during a pandemic. Pales in comparison to a Trump rally. jajaja


https://www.metropol.gov.co/tableros/tablero_covid_19.aspx (https://www.metropol.gov.co/tableros/tablero_covid_19.aspx)

Thanks for pointing that out. I am surprised that a quick goggle didn't source the NYT's AP sourced article, instead feeding me largely outdated BS.

And that's despite me changing my search entry to get more current,  detailed info. Even if the city lost ten times as many lives, it'd still be head and shoulders above most '1st world's city's.




Google simply feeds users what they think we should know--"Wide and objective in scope" aren't seen as much as 'sponsored" although it's all 'prioritized' acc to their skew on things.


But from a customer service or a student of the world's perspective, increasingly --the internet--namely chrome etc, suck.

Yes, in Medellin, saving lives came at a price of personal privacy on their phones and the process was probably enhanced with a govt. offer of food and money, but it's saving lives. It's working.

In the USA, a lot of people overvalued our economy and yes, personal freedoms, but we've already lost over twice as many people as we did in the entire Vietnam War, 120,000+ and more by the hour.

That's one hell of an 'opportunity cost'


Look at Brazil, Is their leader/govt like the USA's??


500 years from now, they will read how while tens of thousands died, the then mighty US govt took months to produce ten cent masks, then botched their distribution, as the death toll passed 120,000.


Is it true "Every nation gets the govt. they deserve"?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 27, 2020, 08:07:00 AM
http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-marks-grim-mortality-record-as-nation-prepares-for-further-economic-reopening/25518 (http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-marks-grim-mortality-record-as-nation-prepares-for-further-economic-reopening/25518)


Cases  and deaths increasing everywhere in Colombia.


Including Antioquia , with over 3600 cases.


Sure , may not seem like a lot now, but increasing exponentially


And like Wayne Gretzky says- dont look where the puck is now-look where it is going..
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on June 27, 2020, 08:31:32 AM
People think that when a vaccine is developed,  this will all go away. But as viruses do, this monster can mutate and make the vaccine worthless.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on June 27, 2020, 10:23:26 AM
http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-marks-grim-mortality-record-as-nation-prepares-for-further-economic-reopening/25518 (http://thecitypaperbogota.com/news/colombia-marks-grim-mortality-record-as-nation-prepares-for-further-economic-reopening/25518)


Cases  and deaths increasing everywhere in Colombia.


Including Antioquia , with over 3600 cases.


Sure , may not seem like a lot now, but increasing exponentially


And like Wayne Gretzky says- dont look where the puck is now-look where it is going..

Antioquía might have 3600 corona virus cases total but Arizona has almost that in new cases per day. My mom isn't in good health and she still lives there.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on June 27, 2020, 11:11:27 AM
Antioquía might have 3600 corona virus cases total but Arizona has almost that in new cases per day. My mom isn't in good health and she still lives there.


I hope she stays healthy Cali. I hope and pray things finaly start to improve everywhere.


This is getting a bit old..
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 01, 2020, 08:08:56 AM
As we approach the end of the first half of 2020, they're already canceling events scheduled for 2021, Cities that released quarantine restrictions are renewing them.


Even if they get a vaccine --hopefully around 2021, the virus can mutate.


Yes we've had weird viruses, influenza, the black plague, etc., but this is uncharted territory.


In over 120 days,  I haven't been away from my wife except or a one hour Dr's appt. This is very weird.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 01, 2020, 11:20:34 AM
As we approach the end of the first half of 2020, they're already canceling events scheduled for 2021, Cities that released quarantine restrictions are renewing them.


Even if they get a vaccine --hopefully around 2021, the virus can mutate.


Yes we've had weird viruses, influenza, the black plague, etc., but this is uncharted territory.


In over 120 days,  I haven't been away from my wife except or a one hour Dr's appt. This is very weird.


Dont worry. It is gonna be OK. Dont believe everything the MSN puts out.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 01, 2020, 03:23:44 PM

Dont worry. It is gonna be OK. Dont believe everything the MSN puts out.


Thanks. I'm living the life of riley with a beautiful young woman who cooks the greatest variety of foods I've ever had. She lets me be inordinately lazy, all the while trying to convince me I'm the greatest. What more could a guy ask for?


I guess I feel like travel time and opportunities to get out and have fun--more precisely the days, minutes hours and months--the better part of a year of our lives--has been somehow taken away.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 03, 2020, 01:31:27 PM
https://colombiareports.com/medellin-announces-curfews-amid-fears-covid-19-could-collapse-colombias-2nd-largest-city/ (https://colombiareports.com/medellin-announces-curfews-amid-fears-covid-19-could-collapse-colombias-2nd-largest-city/)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 04, 2020, 09:33:21 PM
https://colombiareports.com/medellin-announces-curfews-amid-fears-covid-19-could-collapse-colombias-2nd-largest-city/ (https://colombiareports.com/medellin-announces-curfews-amid-fears-covid-19-could-collapse-colombias-2nd-largest-city/)

Hasn't the key to success in Medellin been giving up your cellphone info, including location access so that they know who's who and everywhere who and you have been, are and are going?

The people in the USA just aren't ready  to give it up, but I bet big brother already has most of that info already, but like they watch where we go online, they're not telling....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 05, 2020, 10:53:25 AM
Hasn't the key to success in Medellin been giving up your cellphone info, including location access so that they know who's who and everywhere who and you have been, are and are going?

The people in the USA just aren't ready  to give it up, but I bet big brother already has most of that info already, but like they watch where we go online, they're not telling....


Obviously never rewad the article...and look at the  graph.


There is no more "sucsess" in Medellin or anywhere else in Colombia than any other place.


All the strict lock down did is delay the inevetible.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 05, 2020, 08:49:12 PM

Obviously never rewad the article...and look at the  graph.


There is no more "sucsess" in Medellin or anywhere else in Colombia than any other place.


All the strict lock down did is delay the inevetible.

Anyway you look at it, with Antioquía having ⁴close to seven million people, the amount of cases and deaths has been amazingly low.

Even if they were missing half the cases and the perhaps inevitable upsurge curving upward, they clearly were doing something Brazil wasn't.

Was it cellphones and people tracking?

I want to know what technology and surveillance amongst other things, had to do with that.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 06, 2020, 02:31:46 PM
Anyway you look at it, with Antioquía having ⁴close to seven million people, the amount of cases and deaths has been amazingly low.

Even if they were missing half the cases and the perhaps inevitable upsurge curving upward, they clearly were doing something Brazil wasn't.

Was it cellphones and people tracking?

I want to know what technology and surveillance amongst other things, had to do with that.

 One of the biggest risk factors for getting sick from covid19 is age and on average Colombians are about 10 years younger than the average American.

Also there is evidence that people with type O blood do not contract covid 19 as easily as other blood types and type O blood is the predominant blood type in Colombia

Add the stricter quarantin measures compared to the USA and you get a much slower infection rate.

But even with all that.... the Mayor of Medellin predicts that a majority of Medellin residents will eventually contract covid19

There is no stopping this virus anywhere
The game plan is simply keep the infection rate in check as to not overwhelm hospitals and wait for heard immunity or a vaccine.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 06, 2020, 05:12:24 PM
One of the biggest risk factors for getting sick from covid19 is age and on average Colombians are about 10 years younger than the average American.

Also there is evidence that people with type O blood do not contract covid 19 as easily as other blood types and type O blood is the predominant blood type in Colombia

Add the stricter quarantin measures compared to the USA and you get a much slower infection rate.

But even with all that.... the Mayor of Medellin predicts that a majority of Medellin residents will eventually contract covid19

There is no stopping this virus anywhere
The game plan is simply keep the infection rate in check as to not overwhelm hospitals and wait for heard immunity or a vaccine.


Could you send a link please? All the google chrome hits here are for articles from back in June--lame--AND they make Quintero out to be some kind of genius. IF he is AND if he says things along the lines of:


"""[size=78%]But even with all that.... the Mayor of Medellin predicts that a majority of Medellin residents will eventually contract covid19"""[/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]Well, going on about a 130 days in quarantine, it doesn't exactly make my day....[/size]
[/size]
[/size][size=78%]So much misinfo, filtered and fed BS on the net in the USA....[/size]
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 06, 2020, 05:33:05 PM

Could you send a link please? All the google chrome hits here are for articles from back in June--lame--AND they make Quintero out to be some kind of genius. IF he is AND if he says things along the lines of:


"""[size=78%]But even with all that.... the Mayor of Medellin predicts that a majority of Medellin residents will eventually contract covid19"""[/size]

[size=78%]Well, going on about a 130 days in quarantine, it doesn't exactly make my day....[/size]

[size=78%]So much misinfo, filtered and fed BS on the net in the USA....[/size]


After rewording and digging a bit, found this (supposedly) from July 3rd:


https://www.medellinherald.com/antioquia/mmn (https://www.medellinherald.com/antioquia/mmn)


It, like just about everything, praises the "Marvelous Mayor Quintero" and how he has kept 2.5 million Medellin's death rate down to an unbelievably low 15.


And this is the same guy who says most people that a majority of Medellin will eventually contract covid regardless? Maybe he's just trying to scare the sh!t out of people.....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 07, 2020, 10:30:04 AM
So now: "The Brazillian Trump"--Jain Bolsonaro has covid-19, it's an irony that even fools share....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 07, 2020, 08:58:29 PM

After rewording and digging a bit, found this (supposedly) from July 3rd:


https://www.medellinherald.com/antioquia/mmn (https://www.medellinherald.com/antioquia/mmn)


It, like just about everything, praises the "Marvelous Mayor Quintero" and how he has kept 2.5 million Medellin's death rate down to an unbelievably low 15.


And this is the same guy who says most people that a majority of Medellin will eventually contract covid regardless? Maybe he's just trying to scare the sh!t out of people.....

Unless you just start arresting people that leave their homes like in China ....there really is no realistic way to stop the virus ....other than herd  immunity when about 70 percent of a population has had the virus or a vaccine when a majority of people have been inoculated.

I mean once there are so many cases of the disease that you can't do contact tracking ....just how are you to stop a virus. Masks just slow it down ....but they are never going to stop it.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on July 08, 2020, 06:33:18 AM
Unless you just start arresting people that leave their homes like in China ....there really is no realistic way to stop the virus ....other than herd  immunity when about 70 percent of a population has had the virus or a vaccine when a majority of people have been inoculated.

I mean once there are so many cases of the disease that you can't do contact tracking ....just how are you to stop a virus. Masks just slow it down ....but they are never going to stop it.

I tend to agree. All this quarantining, mask wearing and social distancing is an exercise in futility. At some point we’re going to have to be forced to suffer the consequences of letting this thing play out.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 08, 2020, 09:01:27 AM
I tend to agree. All this quarantining, mask wearing and social distancing is an exercise in futility. At some point we’re going to have to be forced to suffer the consequences of letting this thing play out.

The only reason people are wearing masks is to slow down the spread so hospitals don't get over run with patients. And of course to hope that you are last 25 percent that never contracts the disease due to herd immunity.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 08, 2020, 01:18:35 PM
Actually , a lot of countries, like Japan, Korea, Switzerland and Austria..have got the cases so low and are now restarting the economy , some after an initial quarantine, but all with the people and culture disciplined and responsible  enough to undertake social distancing, mask wearing and hand-washing / general sanitation. Plus the medical systems in these countries are competent and empowered enough in undertaking of  TTIT- Testing, tracing the infected, isolating and quarantining the infected, Treatment-sufficient ICUs, drug treatment, ventilators and well trained medical staff.


None of these countries came anywhere near "Herd Imunity",


Even in the Major European countries where the virus initially hit very hard, things are now under control. The worst case of the major European Countries is Belguim, the case rate total is 6000 per million. or 0.6% of the population (now almost fully recovered). Even if you take the most conservative estimate saying 20 times as many people have it as have actually tested positive, you only get 12% of population infected.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)


So yes , you can control the virus if people are disciplined, employ social distancing, face masks where you cant avoid people, hygeine, and where the medical system sucsessfully employs TTIT..


The problem is in colombia, and other Latin Countries, the discipline and sense of social responsibility is not there (or at least worn out after months of quarantine), and the medical system is under-staffed, under equipped and corrupt.


The worst case is the coast. You think these people are responsible, disciplined or have common sense?


https://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/archivos/387565 (https://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/archivos/387565)

As far as protecting the old people , Colombia does have the advantage of having younger people. You would think they would have a disadvantage of most of the older people  living with the extended family, but after the disaster  countries like Canada allowed  with the EXtended care facilities, I somehow doubt it.




Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 08, 2020, 01:22:24 PM
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/where-coronavirus-latin-america#colombia (https://www.as-coa.org/articles/where-coronavirus-latin-america#colombia)

With Colombia pushing 1000 confirmed cases as of a few days ago (one can only wonder how many untested 'carriers' are running around) it appears the "long way" to get to where the USA is, isn't that far off.

Brazil is getting bad and even in remote areas, including islands in that region, its showing and growing.

Meanwhile 8 million population Bogata is looking at a THREE month shutdown....


You are looking at very ancient news. For the last week its been betwen 3000 and 4200 new cases every day.


See this site for the latest info. on all countries


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)


and specifically Colombia


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/colombia/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/colombia/)



Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 08, 2020, 01:29:07 PM
Actually , a lot of countries, like Japan, Kprea, Switzerland and Austria..have got the cases so low , some after an initial quarantine, but all with the people and culture disciplined and responsible  enough to undertake social distancing, mask wearing and hand-washing / general sanitation. Plus the medical systems in these countries are competent and empowered enough in undertaking of  TTIT- Testing, tracing the infected, isolating and quarantining the infected, Treatment-sufficient ICUs, drug treatment, ventilators and well trained medical staff.


None of these countries came anywhere near "Herd Imunity",


Even in the Major European countries where the virus iitially hit very hard, things are now under control. The worst case of the major European Countries is Belguim, the case rate total is 6000 per million. or 0.6% of the population. Even if you take the most conservative estimate saying 20 times as many people have it as have actually tested positive, you only get 12% of population infected.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)


So yes , you can control the virus if people are disciplined, employ social distancing, face masks where you cant avoid people, hygeine, and where the medical system sucsessfully employs TTIT..


The problem is in colombia, and other Latin Countries, the discipline and sense of social responsibility is not there (or atleast worn out after months of quarantine), and the medical system is under-staffed, under equipped and corrupt.


The worst case is the coast. You think these people are responsible, disciplined or have common sense?


https://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/archivos/388119 (https://www.hoydiariodelmagdalena.com.co/archivos/388119)

As far as protecting the old people , Colombia does have the advantage of having younger people. You would think they would have a disadvantage of most of them living with the extended family, but after the disaster  countries like Canada allowed  with the EXtended care facilities, I somehow doubt it.


Excellent post. At best the introduction of an effective vaccine sooner rather than later, will save lives. Darwinism still is relevant.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 08, 2020, 01:39:13 PM

Excellent post. At best the introduction of an effective vaccine sooner rather than later, will save lives. Darwinism still is relevant.


There wont be a vaccine or herd imunity for a long, long time, if ever, so better to live with it, and protect yourself and love ones with common sense precautions.


Or there is a bit of another hope..the virus may just weaken and go away by itself like SARS  and so many other viruses did.


I plan to go flying when I can, but will wear N95 mask, face goggles, gloves and antiseptic and stay away from people and only on airlines that take specific precautions.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 08, 2020, 06:58:52 PM

There wont be a vaccine or herd imunity for a long, long time, if ever, so better to live with it, and protect yourself and love ones with common sense precautions.


Or there is a bit of another hope..the virus may just weaken and go away by itself like SARS  and so many other viruses did.


I plan to go flying when I can, but will wear N95 mask, face goggles, gloves and antiseptic and stay away from people and only on airlines that take specific precautions.




No vaccines for:


SARS
Chagas disease (American trypanosomiasis)
Chikungunya
Dengue
Cytomegalovirus
HIV/AIDS
Hookworm infection
Leishmaniasis
Malaria
Respiratory
Syncytial Virus
Schistosomiasis

https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html (https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html)


There's still no vaccine for ugly, although if you drink enough alcohol,  it lessens the effect to where even ugly girls don't look half bad!


In a 'good year'---the flu--if it's not too virulent, it kills about half a million people a year, or about how many have died from covid-19 so far this year.


In a bad year, like the 1918 Spanish flu,18 million died. The experts are pretty much in agreement that we could get another Spanish flu, but that with the vast increases in travel and mobility, it'd be far, far worse. No vaccine there either. They tried unsuccessfully to create a vaccine for that, but not until the 1940's did vaccine development begin to take off. Even today, half the time they make a flu vaccine, it turns out to be ineffective,


In more recent years there have been other viruses, including MARS, Hanta and others--and no vaccine. Hell, there's no vaccine for plague--they feel it's not a high enough incidence problem.


Just like wildlife--animals, plants and insects, viruses today go nation to nation through our airports and shipping ports daily.



Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 09, 2020, 01:23:16 PM



No vaccines for:


SARS
Chagas disease (American trypanosomiasis)
Chikungunya
Dengue
Cytomegalovirus
HIV/AIDS
Hookworm infection
Leishmaniasis
Malaria
Respiratory
Syncytial Virus
Schistosomiasis

https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html (https://www.livescience.com/56598-deadliest-viruses-on-earth.html)


There's still no vaccine for ugly, although if you drink enough alcohol,  it lessens the effect to where even ugly girls don't look half bad!


In a 'good year'---the flu--if it's not too virulent, it kills about half a million people a year, or about how many have died from covid-19 so far this year.


In a bad year, like the 1918 Spanish flu,18 million died. The experts are pretty much in agreement that we could get another Spanish flu, but that with the vast increases in travel and mobility, it'd be far, far worse. No vaccine there either. They tried unsuccessfully to create a vaccine for that, but not until the 1940's did vaccine development begin to take off. Even today, half the time they make a flu vaccine, it turns out to be ineffective,


In more recent years there have been other viruses, including MARS, Hanta and others--and no vaccine. Hell, there's no vaccine for plague--they feel it's not a high enough incidence problem.


Just like wildlife--animals, plants and insects, viruses today go nation to nation through our airports and shipping ports daily.

The difference is that none of the diseases you listed are as contagious as covid19

SARS was quit a bit deadlier and people showed symptoms right away so it died out.

It is still possible that covid19 will mutate into something less contagious or more deadly.

Both scenarios will cause the virus to die out quicker.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 09, 2020, 08:09:51 PM
The difference is that none of the diseases you listed are as contagious as covid19

SARS was quit a bit deadlier and people showed symptoms right away so it died out.

It is still possible that covid19 will mutate into something less contagious or more deadly.

Both scenarios will cause the virus to die out quicker.

Mutations are part of the story of life itself. Inevitable. Today Bolivia's President and Venezuela's 2nd banana to the President,  were reported as being Covid-19 positive, joining Brazil's fearless leader.

Seems this virus itself varies and can effect two people of the same age, weight and physical fitness very differently.  Both could catch it, one might be almost totally asymptomatic,  the other might be laid up and suffer badly, then on and off bad effects for months--some otherwise fit and healthy '30 something' people haven't shaken it. It defies the very logic we want to see.

Until they have some reasonably effective vaccine,  guess we'll continue to lay low and be extra careful when we do venture out. We're eating pretty damn good at home with grocery runs every ten days or so.

Although generally avoiding restaurants, and crowds, tomorrow night we'll grab Korean takeout & a bottle of wine, head out to stretch of quieter ocean beach and just enjoy the breeze. A risk? Yes, but calculated.

I told my wife last night "I ought to take out $20-25k out of my 401k next January so we can dedicate it to travel and not worry". She reminded me: "You already did that this past January and it doesn't look like we're going to spend that anytime soon, so let's wait." I'd rather be breaking plates in Greece or grooving the Philippines but oh well, things could always be worse....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 12, 2020, 06:40:20 PM
Gotta gettaway... The sea is always good for my sanity...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: ignorante on July 14, 2020, 01:21:37 PM
 :D   Glad you got to get out - it's not good to be cooped up at home for too long . . .

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 14, 2020, 03:38:45 PM
:D   Glad you got to get out - it's not good to be cooped up at home for too long . . .


Thanks! It's real easy to get soft--weaker physically after 130+ days 'inhouse' and only a couple hours apart (for Dr. Appts) from one other person/s--especially if one other person loves to cook, all styles and ingredients. Bakes, vegies, all cuts of meat, deserts... With a bi weekly grocery run, we have (after initial supply shortages) almost food overload--we're cooped up captive eaters.


Did Dominoes a couple times and it was either a Frito Burrito or rehab for me, but otherwise have stayed out of restaurants.


Before we usually went once or twice a week for a hyper physical hot pilates or yoga sweat session and if you could make it through all the demanding poses and hold--you felt good to live another day. You again passed the test and hopefully not too sore...


That was at least four months ago. I'm about as active as in a nursing home probably. My own fault. Guys go into prison in 4X10 cells and come out in better physical shape every day.


There's a good Aussie 7 minute work out on youtube  that we do--it typically turns into 9 or 10 minutes length, but that's not a whole routine in and of itself.


But as Calipro says:


"""Best to stick to indoor sports right now.I get sun on my balcony and do cardio in the apartment""

The CARDIO is what we're really missing out on. Being more active. And that cardio workout is probably the best way to extend your life in years.  But enough of that---I have to quit watching the news while relaxing in bed as I currently am-- because my wife is calling me sweetly for her exquisite chicken parmigiana & garlic bread  (and dandy Italian salad that as custom, I'll add the finishing touch to)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on July 15, 2020, 12:57:35 PM

Thanks! It's real easy to get soft--weaker physically after 130+ days 'inhouse' and only a couple hours apart (for Dr. Appts) from one other person/s--especially if one other person loves to cook, all styles and ingredients. Bakes, vegies, all cuts of meat, deserts... With a bi weekly grocery run, we have (after initial supply shortages) almost food overload--we're cooped up captive eaters.


Did Dominoes a couple times and it was either a Frito Burrito or rehab for me, but otherwise have stayed out of restaurants.


Before we usually went once or twice a week for a hyper physical hot pilates or yoga sweat session and if you could make it through all the demanding poses and hold--you felt good to live another day. You again passed the test and hopefully not too sore...


That was at least four months ago. I'm about as active as in a nursing home probably. My own fault. Guys go into prison in 4X10 cells and come out in better physical shape every day.


There's a good Aussie 7 minute work out on youtube  that we do--it typically turns into 9 or 10 minutes length, but that's not a whole routine in and of itself.


But as Calipro says:


"""Best to stick to indoor sports right now.I get sun on my balcony and do cardio in the apartment""

The CARDIO is what we're really missing out on. Being more active. And that cardio workout is probably the best way to extend your life in years.  But enough of that---I have to quit watching the news while relaxing in bed as I currently am-- because my wife is calling me sweetly for her exquisite chicken parmigiana & garlic bread  (and dandy Italian salad that as custom, I'll add the finishing touch to)

I bought a bike . Safe for covid since it's outdoors and good exercise....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 15, 2020, 02:09:14 PM
I bought a bike . Safe for covid since it's outdoors and good exercise....


Heard bike sales have gone through the roof. So have dog adoptions. Shelters have been emptied out in places. I wonder what's gonna happen when all those dog adopters go back to the old nine to five, and start leaving the dogs alone for 8 or 9 hours a stretch for the 1st time.


I remember as a teenager I had a German Short Haired Pointer, Caesar. Caesar didn't like my Grandmother's kitchen dinette chairs vinyl upholstery. In fact, he completely removed said upholstery from four of Grandma's chairs when I left him alone for a bit.


I'll own that, Like Father Flanagan (Spencer Tracey) said of the troubled boys sent to his orphanage in the great classic (1938!) movie "Boys Town" -->"There's no such thing as a bad boy"


She even let me keep the dog.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on July 15, 2020, 07:48:48 PM

Heard bike sales have gone through the roof. So have dog adoptions. Shelters have been emptied out in places. I wonder what's gonna happen when all those dog adopters go back to the old nine to five, and start leaving the dogs alone for 8 or 9 hours a stretch for the 1st time.


I remember as a teenager I had a German Short Haired Pointer, Caesar. Caesar didn't like my Grandmother's kitchen dinette chairs vinyl upholstery. In fact, he completely removed said upholstery from four of Grandma's chairs when I left him alone for a bit.


I'll own that, Like Father Flanagan (Spencer Tracey) said of the troubled boys sent to his orphanage in the great classic (1938!) movie "Boys Town" -->"There's no such thing as a bad boy"


She even let me keep the dog.
Yes bike supply cannot keep up with demand.  Didn't know about the dogs. Crazy times...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 21, 2020, 06:18:51 PM
My wife is home 24X7 now, as she's able to work her technology job at home, with 2 monitors and her computer tweaked for international phone access and other tricks impossible not so long ago.

It's kinda weird. I like her around, but this isn't quite how I figured it'd happen--not like 'boom'--instantly.

My 22 y/o son in Atlanta, just 2 months into his 100K a year 1st job after college graduation, is doing his AI work for the mega firm he signed on with. He's able to from his posh apartment on a wicked fast PC he self built and 3 big monitors.

He'll be fine.

Both are following company orders.

My 28 y/o son who owns a (used to be) always full a AirBNB is in a bad spot. He rents it from the owner for 4K a month and runs his boutique AirBN out of it. But nobody's booking.

Then he waits tables at a swank place and routinely makes very good pay there--enough income to live off of alone, but now is sh!t out of luck--they're closing for an undetermined length of time.

He asked if he could crash at our house, when push comes to shove....

That it was a miracle that as hard as he tried as a hell raising teen, to break my wife and I up, but couldn't, isn't lost on me.

Meanwhile my wife's all about helping him with food, with him moving back home with us, with his bills, etc.

Amazing woman. "Family stays together, helps each other" she says. Most USA born step mothers would've poisoned his food 15 years ago....

My wife, him and my lazy, 'Do what I please, when I please' self,  are about to experience change--change that's going to require ongoing adjustments, to put it mildly

As I predicted  weeks ago, this isn't gonna be easy, it's only going to get harder, and it isn't going away anytime soon.

Trump said we might see some return to normalcy by July or August.

I'm afraid he's being a bit optimistic....


Been over 4 months since 'shelter in place' was extended in many places. They already called off the 2021 Tournament of Roses Rose Bowl Parade in Pasadena, So I guess I won't be seeing Michigan's Wolverines in the Rose Bowl either....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 26, 2020, 08:13:43 PM

Well, have about written off heading back to Davao City Philippines  anytime soon. Covid-19 has about killed that off for 2020.


Was looking forward to spending a few weeks there at the house. It's a house my wife worked so hard to save up for and paid off. First thing she did was make sure both our names are on the title--I never would've known had she not done so. It's close to a really nice new mall and not far from some great beaches. It needed a little work--we added air con and a 2nd level--her family helped make sure it was done right. We probably have 25K into it, total.


By default, I am also tied to her family's land a couple hours away. It's a largish farm--I know nothing about growing coconuts, rice and fruits and it's wayyy out there. It'd be hilarious---just the thought of my USA, 'city slicker' self trying to run what essentially a plantation, borders on the bizarre. I hope her Mom lives to be 150 years old--she's able to keep it going amazingly well.


The 1st youtube video really resonated with me. It points out how the area has much fewer non natives (tourists) running around and us being still rather novel to them, that they're very friendly. Just a sweet, laid back vibe but with a youthful big city buzz still going on. The 2nd video about expenses is pretty spot on.


It also points out that the area ---out of 110 million people on 7000+ islands, tends to have the highest percentage of friendly, petite morenas--the darker complexion girls, than just about anywhere in the nation. There's still a lot of Spanish blood mixed in there from the 400 years of Spain ruling the whole nation, but the girls around Davao are typically tan as cookies, they look and taste great too. Sooo fresh, clean and sweet. Not too jaded like a lot of Manila and Cebu girls. Province effect.


My wife is certainly morena, petite and pretty IMO. I moan and groan because as she tans after a minute out in the sun, she stays out of sun as much as possible.


I tell her how most USA women would die to have her tan and glowing skin, but she doesn't buy it. Told her how here, women can never be TOO tan, too thin or too rich and that oh well, she's got two out of three here in the USA anyway...


I've noticed that as 'western ways' have invaded the area increasingly and brought foods with saturated fat and other bad stuff with them, how more of the women are heavier than before. But it's still a wonderful place.


Increasingly we talk about the possibility of moving there and a guy could do a lot worse, but I don't think my mind's quite ready for that....




[size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbg94Qmmww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbg94Qmmww)[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwX0s14JG70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwX0s14JG70)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 26, 2020, 08:29:38 PM
Well, have about written off heading back to Davao City Philippines  anytime soon. Covid-19 has about killed that off for 2020.


Was looking forward to spending a few weeks there at the house. It's a house my wife worked so hard to save up for and paid off. First thing she did was make sure both our names are on the title--I never would've known had she not done so. It's close to a really nice new mall and not far from some great beaches. It needed a little work--we added air con and a 2nd level--her family helped make sure it was done right. We probably have 25K into it, total.


By default, I am also tied to her family's land a couple hours away. It's a largish farm--I know nothing about growing coconuts, rice and fruits and it's wayyy out there. It'd be hilarious---just the thought of my USA, 'city slicker' self trying to run what essentially a plantation, borders on the bizarre. I hope her Mom lives to be 150 years old--she's able to keep it going amazingly well.


The 1st youtube video really resonated with me. It points out how the area has much fewer non natives (tourists) running around and us being still rather novel to them, that they're very friendly. Just a sweet, laid back vibe but with a youthful big city buzz still going on. The 2nd video about expenses is pretty spot on.


It also points out that the area ---out of 110 million people on 7000+ islands, tends to have the highest percentage of friendly, petite morenas--the darker complexion girls, than just about anywhere in the nation. There's still a lot of Spanish blood mixed in there from the 400 years of Spain ruling the whole nation, but the girls around Davao are typically tan as cookies, they look and taste great too. Sooo fresh, clean and sweet. Not too jaded like a lot of Manila and Cebu girls. Province effect.


My wife is certainly morena, petite and pretty IMO. I moan and groan because as she tans after a minute out in the sun, she stays out of sun as much as possible.


I tell her how most USA women would die to have her tan and glowing skin, but she doesn't buy it. Told her how here, women can never be TOO tan, too thin or too rich and that oh well, she's got two out of three here in the USA anyway...


I've noticed that as 'western ways' have invaded the area increasingly and brought foods with saturated fat and other bad stuff with them, how more of the women are heavier than before. But it's still a wonderful place.


Increasingly we talk about the possibility of moving there and a guy could do a lot worse, but I don't think my mind's quite ready for that....




[size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbg94Qmmww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGbg94Qmmww)[/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwX0s14JG70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwX0s14JG70)

When I saw the bachelor paradise on the video I thought it would be a bikini contest like this one

https://youtu.be/2Cq86maj2m4
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 26, 2020, 09:22:38 PM
When I saw the bachelor paradise on the video I thought it would be a bikini contest like this one

https://youtu.be/2Cq86maj2m4 (https://youtu.be/2Cq86maj2m4)


I watched that and even though some of those babes are half the age of my wife, half way through the vid, this came into my head......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PTDv_szmL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PTDv_szmL0)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 27, 2020, 12:01:52 PM
When I saw the bachelor paradise on the video I thought it would be a bikini contest like this one

https://youtu.be/2Cq86maj2m4 (https://youtu.be/2Cq86maj2m4)


Looks like similar  prices to here in Bucaramanga


Here is somehing for you to do Robert..Compare Bucaramanga to Davao City on Numbeo
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 27, 2020, 12:07:13 PM

I watched that and even though some of those babes are half the age of my wife, half way through the vid, this came into my head......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PTDv_szmL0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PTDv_szmL0)


Not me..this is what came into my head..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 27, 2020, 01:13:17 PM

Not me..this is what came into my head..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY)


Great clip from a great film. Stanley Kubrick. Hard to believe he's been dead 21 years. At least he died in his sleep around age 70--heart attack.



I think I'm pretty much to the point where my philosophy is along the lines of:A bird in hand is better than two in the bush"---not saying that I don't appreciate the talent 'out in the wild!' After all, I am an incorrigible flirt. Awful--99.9% of the time, I've got the prettiest girl in the room on my arm and there I am rubber necking...When she's still looking hot and I can't find my teeth twenty some years from now, I dunno if that's still gonna fly, LOL. (I have all my teeth)


While it's nothing like Manila or Angeles City (sin city--hooker land) where that bikini contest Calipro put up was, Davao City, it has a lot of pretties out and about. And white guys not being very common, a lot of them at least fantasize about a 'taste' of vanilla and having (making) kids with blue eyes.


If you have two wits to rub together and a crumb of charm, you shouldn't have any trouble getting female company. If you're buying lunch or coffee--all the better.


Cebu City and Manila (especially Makati) probably have the highest density of really stunning girls. They tend to be taller and more jaded--'big city' girls. Like everywhere though (including Davao) the big cities bring people in from the poor countryside, looking for jobs.


They come by the boat loads to Luzon/Manila, which is 7000 islands north of Davao. It's really plausible to compare Davao to the deep south style of Memphis in the USA in that it's like that there--laid back, with a gentler, slower pace of life in DVO more than you'll see in MNL. Sure there's a history of some crazy terrorists, but your odds of getting blown up or physically hurt/robbed are a lot less there than here. Pretty much everyone speaks English---it's like the 4th largest nation of English speakers by number of people----more than in the UK!


Unlike in the USA, where Amazon is killing off the malls, over there malls are really going up bigger and better and with free aircon, they are busy bee hives of socialization. Tons of women. It's amazing how few people are actually spending money (they're broke) but when it's 100+ humid degrees outside and in a lot of homes, they turn out.


The apartment towers and a lot of the nicer subdivisions, are actually built around the malls, which typically also have a big grocery store inside. Night and day difference in terms of what's in their malls compared to ours--the energy, the smiles and laughter, are contagious.  I will never understand exactly why those people--90% of them dirt poor, are SO damn happy!


You can go to deadmalls.com and see the plague of dying and dead deserted malls that represent urban blight across the USA  today. Seeing how they occupy areas considered prime metro real estate, I think some genius is going to perfect turning the dead USA mall anchor stores--the huge 'big box' Sears and Roebucks etc, into condos. There's plenty of parking! I see some of the dead Kmarts are being turned into cold and regular long term storage units.


The Amazon model is not working yet in the Philippines and even as it inevitably makes inroads, I don't think the culture will get any less 'mallcentric.'


And if the beach/resorts and all the nicely done public parks are too hot----if you want to comfortably while away your days or years, people watching over a cup of coffee or a cold one, it's hard to beat the mall scene there.


If we can just put this corona virus nightmare behind us....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 28, 2020, 04:52:55 PM

Not me..this is what came into my head..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj9VArxREqY)


My best friend, a guy with a few years on me, did FIVE tours of Duty in Vietnam, with 3 different Military branches. He retired as Staff Sergeant, along with being awarded two Purple Hearts. I asked him


"Charlie:-Why the hell would anybody sign off for FIVE tours? during the Vietnam war?"


He replied: "Rob, you don't understand---the pussy was sooooo good"


I guess more than one soldier was mighty glad that STDs were curable with a shot or some pills back then.


He came back to the states, married a USA girl, which failed. He wed a 2nd time, to a Japanese lady and it's been 30 some years and a happy, beautiful family, grandkids etc. since.


"I love you long time" has become part of the western lexicon, in its cliche'd reference to sex and Asian women, to this very day.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 28, 2020, 09:01:29 PM

Looks like similar  prices to here in Bucaramanga


Here is somehing for you to do Robert..Compare Bucaramanga to Davao City on Numbeo

Hmmmm.   I don't think I will be going to Bucaramanga anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/CqtVl9y2coM

But if you can really live on 900 bucks a month as this guy claims you can do in Davo then it might be an option for some.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 29, 2020, 09:31:45 AM
Hmmmm.   I don't think I will be going to Bucaramanga anytime soon.

https://youtu.be/CqtVl9y2coM (https://youtu.be/CqtVl9y2coM)

But if you can really live on 900 bucks a month as this guy claims you can do in Davo then it might be an option for some.


There are no orientals in Bucaramanga..only made  reference to that film for "[snip]s and giggles"..not any refernce to anything happening in my l¡fe or Bucaramanga (what bizzare thinking to somehow relate this to BUcarmanga??)


And thats OKay .. I sure wont be going to Medellllin soon with 28,000 cases and quarantine 3 days a week and night curfew.


As a matter of fact I will probably go to Quindio-low case rate and everything is opened up.


If I didnt have emotional attachment and moral responsibity  to someone here, I would go to Canada, and somewhere else with a low case rate  and more freedom, wih the situation under control, when the weather got to cold (Spain in the fall?),


At any rate I will be going back to Canada for back country skiing for 2 months in January and February. First time in 2 years.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 29, 2020, 03:39:58 PM

There are no orientals in Bucaramanga..only made  reference to that film for "[snip]s and giggles"..not any refernce to anything happening in my l¡fe or Bucaramanga (what bizzare thinking to somehow relate this to BUcarmanga??)


And thats OKay .. I sure wont be going to Medellllin soon with 28,000 cases and quarantine 3 days a week and night curfew.


As a matter of fact I will probably go to Quindio-low case rate and everything is opened up.


If I didnt have emotional attachment and moral responsibity  to someone here, I would go to Canada, and somewhere else with a low case rate  and more freedom, wih the situation under control, when the weather got to cold (Spain in the fall?),


At any rate I will be going back to Canada for back country skiing for 2 months in January and February. First time in 2 years.

I didn't think there where orientals here ....I was surprised that you compared Davao to Bucaramanga. 

Sounds like you have a child now.. emotional attachment and moral responsibility ...sounds like a parental relationship.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 29, 2020, 06:55:27 PM
I didn't think there where orientals here ....I was surprised that you compared Davao to Bucaramanga. 

Sounds like you have a child now.. emotional attachment and moral responsibility ...sounds like a parental relationship.


Awww--come-on now---play fair. "Child"? Isn't she 19 y/o? Legally she's an adult!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 29, 2020, 11:19:00 PM

Awww--come-on now---play fair. "Child"? Isn't she 19 y/o? Legally she's an adult!

I'm thinking maybe a couple months old...he was asking me about the fertility clinic I used about a year or so ago.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on July 30, 2020, 12:20:14 AM
I'm thinking maybe a couple months old...he was asking me about the fertility clinic I used about a year or so ago.
Expat with a kid?! Man I want to hear more...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2020, 12:36:42 AM
Expat with a kid?! Man I want to hear more...

I don't know that he has a child but he must of been interested in the idea to ask me about the fertility clinic I used.

And now he is emotionally y morally attached .... maybe his girlfriend is pregnant.....it's the only thing that would morally attach me.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 30, 2020, 08:31:25 AM
I thought it was his 19 y/o gf.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2020, 10:25:48 AM
I thought it was his 19 y/o gf.

Who gets morally attached to a 19 year old girlfriend unless she has your kid.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 30, 2020, 01:09:45 PM
I don't know that he has a child but he must of been interested in the idea to ask me about the fertility clinic I used.

And now he is emotionally y morally attached .... maybe his girlfriend is pregnant.....it's the only thing that would morally attach me.


The only thing that could literally make my life and relationship stronger, literally longer, physically and mentally better, would be a child/ren.


That laughter, the ways they morph as they grow and just captivate our hearts and minds is a powerful elixir.


I had kids relatively late--in 1991 and 1997 and when you're right in the middle of their years, you don't realize the magic in the moments--you're just 'doing it'.


The rich and powerful, the people who seemingly have everything---they more than ever before, want kids into their 60s and even 70's now and we'll go to extreme length and distance to get them. The Brad Pitts, Madonnas and Celine Deons, as well as other walks of life and alleyways. Their families often look like a United Nation's roster.


I guess the next best thing along those lines for me might be grandkids, but I'm not going to push my boys into that until they're ready themselves. At least I had a shot.


Around here, if a trout isn't fourteen inches, you have to throw it back. It just doesn't work like that with your children. Although I must admit, there are times I've wanted to throw them to the sharks....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on July 30, 2020, 03:48:11 PM

The only thing that could literally make my life and relationship stronger, literally longer, physically and mentally better, would be a child/ren.


That laughter, the ways they morph as they grow and just captivate our hearts and minds is a powerful elixir.









So what is holding you back?

There are plenty of things doctors can do now to help your wife conceive.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: benjio on July 30, 2020, 07:01:19 PM
So what is holding you back?

There are plenty of things doctors can do now to help your wife conceive.

Speaking of kiddos...Brazil opened it’s borders to foreign tourists yesterday so at least I get to go and visit my son. Been more than a year!!!

I guess they figured no one who comes there is going to make it any worse, so they just gave up on the travel ban. Still a lot I have to figure out with respect to going and coming but the first good news for me in a while.

Stay healthy gents.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on July 31, 2020, 12:53:23 PM
Speaking of kiddos...Brazil opened it’s borders to foreign tourists yesterday so at least I get to go and visit my son. Been more than a year!!!

I guess they figured no one who comes there is going to make it any worse, so they just gave up on the travel ban. Still a lot I have to figure out with respect to going and coming but the first good news for me in a while.

Stay healthy gents.


That's great. Things --trips, people---so many connections, have been cut off for so long for so many of us. Have a great time--hope the still wacky due to covid logistics, that they all work out for you!!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 31, 2020, 03:19:27 PM
I didn't think there where orientals here ....I was surprised that you compared Davao to Bucaramanga. 

Sounds like you have a child now.. emotional attachment and moral responsibility ...sounds like a parental relationship.


I was comparing the prices..nothing more
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on July 31, 2020, 03:35:57 PM
I don't know that he has a child but he must of been interested in the idea to ask me about the fertility clinic I used.

And now he is emotionally y morally attached .... maybe his girlfriend is pregnant.....it's the only thing that would morally attach me.


I will keep my mouth shut. I dont want to give anyone ideas...and believe me, there are a lot of girls  with that thought in thier head during these desperate times.


BTW.I know lots of guys with GFs and wives without kids who would leave if they were single and unattched..so believe it o rnot, not everyone thinks like you Cali..


But I do admit having an offspring would make it even more difficult to leave. Imagine me leaving for skiing in late January for 2 months ..knowing I couldnt get back into Colombia to visit the kid for another year or whatever.


Anyway, if you have a kid or a legal wife , it is way easier for them to get to the US. They can go on the emergency flights. People have been doing it all the time during the pandemic. Even under the TRump regime.


The other way around-US to Canada - you can go on an emergency flight as well IF you have Colombian citizenship. Not sure about residency status with a normal cedula.


But if things get worse or even dont improve in Colombia and Brazil, they will ban all flights and people from these countries, unless you are a US citizen or landed permanent resident.


That is a little concerning to me , for my January flights, because if it uis still in the emergency stage, I have to pass through US to get to Canada.

Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 02, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
So what is holding you back?

There are plenty of things doctors can do now to help your wife conceive.


Greedy. I figure if I'm lucky, I have twenty 'good years' left. I want to be able to travel light. There's other pros and cons in the equation, but that's what it boils down to.


Contrary to how my life has sometimes felt, I realize that I can't have it all, at least not a 2nd time with kids anchoring my life. Again. Even if a live in nanny was in the picture, it'd be head and hands on raising kids for me/us/--a lot less time planning trips as well as being spontaneous and actually travelling.


It's like today we decided to take q weekday off and head an hour off shore to deserted Cumberland Island. There's basically no infrastructure---there's wild boar & wild horses running around and no concessions, never mind 'diaper rooms.' Bringing a kid there and the necessary provisions, would be a nightmare.


Not that my boys haven't seen the world, but looking back, I was frugal--saving for their 'needs'--lessons, musical instruments, video games, cars, college etc. I guess we sacrificed for them more than I realized. I played soccer, other sports with them, did scouts--school field trips etc, etc. Their stepmom went to--did a ton of stuff for them. My kid's friends---they still talk about how great sleepovers at our house were. I paid like 5 grand for a saxophone because my son had gotten that good after playing a rental horn for years. Crazy. Parents ARE crazy when it comes to their kids and usually oblivious to it. Nobody can tell them, even when a trainwreck is coming.


Now I'm living it up more, busy spending their inheritance.....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on August 03, 2020, 09:37:09 AM

Greedy. I figure if I'm lucky, I have twenty 'good years' left. I want to be able to travel light. There's other pros and cons in the equation, but that's what it boils down to.


Contrary to how my life has sometimes felt, I realize that I can't have it all, at least not a 2nd time with kids anchoring my life. Again. Even if a live in nanny was in the picture, it'd be head and hands on raising kids for me/us/--a lot less time planning trips as well as being spontaneous and actually travelling.


It's like today we decided to take q weekday off and head an hour off shore to deserted Cumberland Island. There's basically no infrastructure---there's wild boar & wild horses running around and no concessions, never mind 'diaper rooms.' Bringing a kid there and the necessary provisions, would be a nightmare.


Not that my boys haven't seen the world, but looking back, I was frugal--saving for their 'needs'--lessons, musical instruments, video games, cars, college etc. I guess we sacrificed for them more than I realized. I played soccer, other sports with them, did scouts--school field trips etc, etc. Their stepmom went to--did a ton of stuff for them. My kid's friends---they still talk about how great sleepovers at our house were. I paid like 5 grand for a saxophone because my son had gotten that good after playing a rental horn for years. Crazy. Parents ARE crazy when it comes to their kids and usually oblivious to it. Nobody can tell them, even when a trainwreck is coming.


Now I'm living it up more, busy spending their inheritance.....

What about your wife.....is she really OK with not having a child in her life?

I don't think it is as important for you to have a child as it is for her....because you have already had kids

Don't be greedy..... Don't let your wife turn into a dingy cat lady one day.....with a 30 cat colony.

Without a family life seems to be meaningless for most women. But some women get involved in charities or sometimes work to bring some meaning to their lives.

Don't forget you could potentially double your Social Security take by having a child if you wife decided to b e a stay at home mom....at the very least your child will get half of you unreduced Social Security benefits from the time you decide to collect.....until your child is 18.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 04, 2020, 10:58:44 AM
What about your wife.....is she really OK with not having a child in her life?

I don't think it is as important for you to have a child as it is for her....because you have already had kids

Don't be greedy..... Don't let your wife turn into a dingy cat lady one day.....with a 30 cat colony.

Without a family life seems to be meaningless for most women. But some women get involved in charities or sometimes work to bring some meaning to their lives.

Don't forget you could potentially double your Social Security take by having a child if you wife decided to b e a stay at home mom....at the very least your child will get half of you unreduced Social Security benefits from the time you decide to collect.....until your child is 18.


Not having children was a painful, thorough discussion that we had a long time ago, years before we wed. Of course it's been discussed again at times, including the tremendous sacrifice she made. I knew/know the risks--the 'biological clock', natural bio urges etc. And that risk still exists.


When I die, before the ink is dry on the sale of our home, she'll be on a plane back home.


That's sooo ironic. Athough she's exemplified achieving the 'American dream' through hard work, her heart, which (Ironic I know) is ALL about family, Back home and to a large extent also, to her 'new' family here.

But my family mostly lives a thousand miles away in Michigan. She reminds me to call, birthdays etc. In her mind, she's with her family back home a lot closer to heart---they're true blood and the only thing that really matters to her in the end. Family.


Basically her first 5 years here, she was a public school classroom paraprofessional. Every year there, she was elected employee of the year. My younger son was 8 when she came here, attended that school and she even walked him to school. They offered her a Teaching job, but she turned it down because of being "English 2nd language" she was worried she'd not be good enough, which (as I told her) was far from true.


She overlapped a job at Chick Fila and in a year was made Manager, Chick Fila has perhaps the best USA corporate culture and training set up in the USA--tremendous company. But it was physically taxing. Hiring and firing, dealing with customers--all that was great experience.It helped her confidence.


A frequent customer there noticed her and encouraged her to apply at his Fortune 200 level company, a corporation that sells dental and medical equipment across all the USA and Canada. They gave her books full of doctor's offices who DIDN'T buy from them. Cold calls, rejection--the worst. They closed that (thank God) and she worked her way upstairs. It's not like work that her computer engineering degree way back when trained her for, but it's odd how it's coming full circle. HTML, SQL, JavaScript, Google Anayltics and  whole lot more, are part of her work. If the company maximum yearly pay raise is 2--3%, they somehow break the rules and give her 3 to 6%.


Whether as a stepmom, wife or as a worker, she gives 200%.


She worked and as it was her money (and for the 1st 12 years, we had separate accounts) I knew she was helping out, I knew she was saving to buy us a home in the Philippines.


She has always (from a LONG distance) doted on her beloved nieces and nephews--her family. They will look after her when I die. She appreciates all this nation has done for her--she's patriotic for here (and increasingly USA conservative) and home and has dual citizenships.


But her heart is still at home and one day, so will be her bones. She's true and loyal, but in a hard to describe way, me and life in the USA are just a means to an end elsewhere eventually. She'll never be a lonely "cat lady"--never be alone. If her home country and I disappeared, she'd probably end up being a social director at a nursing home, some kind of social service, etc. She already has us doing stuff like that in the community since the kids are gone. If I'm gone, maybe she'll finally find a guy she really deserves.


Bizarre as it sounds, her making me happy is what makes her happy. It drives her. We're not terribly social--yet it seems like her acquaintances always want her to be their newborn's Godmother, because they know just how innately good a person, what a wonderful 'role model' she is.


It will be our ultimate irony, for reasons largely previously mentioned, that a women this fine and suited as a Mother, wasn't.


As a kid, I hated when the Teachers rolled out the "Someday you too can be president" speech, if we had one, her child actually probably could.

She's still super young looking, pretty, hardworking, with an exceptionally wonderful personality. Underconfident and overachieving.  Life can, life does change--I can't smugly accept how great I've had it and think that's the way it's always going to be. But today, in the here and now, I think we're pretty good. I may go, but as long as she stays healthy, she's going to be fine. She was simply made that way.


Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on August 04, 2020, 03:54:59 PM

Not having children was a painful, thorough discussion that we had a long time ago, years before we wed. Of course it's been discussed again at times, including the tremendous sacrifice she made. I knew/know the risks--the 'biological clock', natural bio urges etc. And that risk still exists.


When I die, before the ink is dry on the sale of our home, she'll be on a plane back home.


That's sooo ironic. Athough she's exemplified achieving the 'American dream' through hard work, her heart, which (Ironic I know) is ALL about family, Back home and to a large extent also, to her 'new' family here.

But my family mostly lives a thousand miles away in Michigan. She reminds me to call, birthdays etc. In her mind, she's with her family back home a lot closer to heart---they're true blood and the only thing that really matters to her in the end. Family.


Basically her first 5 years here, she was a public school classroom paraprofessional. Every year there, she was elected employee of the year. My younger son was 8 when she came here, attended that school and she even walked him to school. They offered her a Teaching job, but she turned it down because of being "English 2nd language" she was worried she'd not be good enough, which (as I told her) was far from true.


She overlapped a job at Chick Fila and in a year was made Manager, Chick Fila has perhaps the best USA corporate culture and training set up in the USA--tremendous company. But it was physically taxing. Hiring and firing, dealing with customers--all that was great experience.It helped her confidence.


A frequent customer there noticed her and encouraged her to apply at his Fortune 200 level company, a corporation that sells dental and medical equipment across all the USA and Canada. They gave her books full of doctor's offices who DIDN'T buy from them. Cold calls, rejection--the worst. They closed that (thank God) and she worked her way upstairs. It's not like work that her computer engineering degree way back when trained her for, but it's odd how it's coming full circle. HTML, SQL, JavaScript, Google Anayltics and  whole lot more, are part of her work. If the company maximum yearly pay raise is 2--3%, they somehow break the rules and give her 3 to 6%.


Whether as a stepmom, wife or as a worker, she gives 200%.


She worked and as it was her money (and for the 1st 12 years, we had separate accounts) I knew she was helping out, I knew she was saving to buy us a home in the Philippines.


She has always (from a LONG distance) doted on her beloved nieces and nephews--her family. They will look after her when I die. She appreciates all this nation has done for her--she's patriotic for here (and increasingly USA conservative) and home and has dual citizenships.


But her heart is still at home and one day, so will be her bones. She's true and loyal, but in a hard to describe way, me and life in the USA are just a means to an end elsewhere eventually. She'll never be a lonely "cat lady"--never be alone. If her home country and I disappeared, she'd probably end up being a social director at a nursing home, some kind of social service, etc. She already has us doing stuff like that in the community since the kids are gone. If I'm gone, maybe she'll finally find a guy she really deserves.


Bizarre as it sounds, her making me happy is what makes her happy. It drives her. We're not terribly social--yet it seems like her acquaintances always want her to be their newborn's Godmother, because they know just how innately good a person, what a wonderful 'role model' she is.


It will be our ultimate irony, for reasons largely previously mentioned, that a women this fine and suited as a Mother, wasn't.


As a kid, I hated when the Teachers rolled out the "Someday you too can be president" speech, if we had one, her child actually probably could.

She's still super young looking, pretty, hardworking, with an exceptionally wonderful personality. Underconfident and overachieving.  Life can, life does change--I can't smugly accept how great I've had it and think that's the way it's always going to be. But today, in the here and now, I think we're pretty good. I may go, but as long as she stays healthy, she's going to be fine. She was simply made that way.
She sounds like a great woman. Hard to know what I'd do but I can say at 49 with a 7 and 5 year old I've got all I can handle. And on the other hand  my 82 year old mom has Parkinson's and dementia. Watching your parent lose their faculties is not fun. If you have a kid at 60, how many good years does your child get to enjoy with you? Kids have tons of energy and expect their parents to have the same lol
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 06, 2020, 10:37:39 AM

Thanks. When you have kids, it's a blur of working the logistics--figuring who's taking whom where and more. That and a whole lot of reacting to always changing situations--redirecting behaviors, dealing with 'this and that.' It takes a lot of energy.


Ages 5 and 7? THAT's a LOT of energy alright!

Even when we're alone, the vast majority of our brain's focus and resultant activities is active--forward reacting to stimuli, fixing things so they don't become problems, not so much planning or thinking about the past.

I suppose it's different when one parent is staying at home, but there's rarely a dull moment regardless. There's always a 'next.'I tell so many couples that it is critical that they find someone to afford them a break--even if it's hard to find family, get a nanny, a baby sitter--but it's critical that couples carve out time to 'date' --or at least have undistracted time alone for the two of you.


Your marriage and family will both be better off for it.


My 1st marriage was little more than logistics for the kid's sake. She worked nights and weekends, I worked weekdays. Not good.

Parents, really people in general, are so busy dealing with all kinds of situations that we never really allow ourselves to think:"Someday, these will be the ""Good old days""==the school assemblies, birthdays, sleepovers etc--even the disasters--the exploding diaper on the white furniture, the time the kid painted his bedroom wall with crayons, pie in the eye--a million things.

We're just too busy, typically 'doing the best we can' dealing with one thing and then the next thing, often w/o a break. Time flies, things blur.

My Mother died last year after 16 long, painful years dealing with Parkinson's Disease. My Dad was the greatest guy on earth--he was her rock. To say "He was there 100% for her" is an understatement.  Now he's 85 and dementia, not eating enough--the sadness of being told he shouldn't drive anymore, all that and more, are setting in. With the years, I am getting the typical 'aches and pains' that inevitably come with time. He's had them for decades, now to certain points of disability. I just never knew it. Because he never complained. Kids will tell you if they prick their finger.

I see all too well that the last years are not pretty.

It resonated all too well once. It was after I royally pissed off my wife, she appropriately lowered my ladder down a few rungs. Looking me dead in the eye, she said:"And WHO do you think is going to be changing YOUR diapers??" One of those 'feck me dead' moments...Glad she's still here!

But my Dad's up in Michigan and I'm in Georgia, so I tip my hat to my two sisters, who along with a caretaker who comes in a few days a week, they help him keep going and out of an 'assisted living' institution. If we were up there living and my kids were still young, I think I'd go insane. Family drama, stressors...

But maybe not. Although the pace would render my life a blur again, somehow we'd get things done. Somebody has to. When my wife and I have a difficult situation--one that we HAVE to summon up extra effort for, we look at each other and we both say:"It's time to--or 'We have to:

"RISE to the occasion!!" And we do, Thank God.


For all of us, later on in life if we're lucky and don't get hit by a truck, we get a break--some time out That's a good time to look back and hopefully reflect on the good moments--the funny times, the golden moments and milestones of our lives.

In the last couple of years, my Dad has said several times that as we get old, time just moves sooo fast. When I was younger, I thought our age difference was as if it predated the ice age.

That's where my head's at more of the time lately. That and how no matter how much covid sucks, it could always be worse. That's why when a guy here on PL finally got his wife here and it was just a kaleidoscope of experiences, I tried to say, "Take a second and realize that later on you'll be looking back and saying how these (USCIS and all) were "The greatest days of our lives"--the "Good ole days"

Exactly as Ferris Bueller said:

""Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.""

Save Ferris!! ;D
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on August 06, 2020, 01:29:56 PM

Thanks. When you have kids, it's a blur of working the logistics--figuring who's taking whom where and more. That and a whole lot of reacting to always changing situations--redirecting behaviors, dealing with 'this and that.' It takes a lot of energy.


Ages 5 and 7? THAT's a LOT of energy alright!

Even when we're alone, the vast majority of our brain's focus and resultant activities is active--forward reacting to stimuli, fixing things so they don't become problems, not so much planning or thinking about the past.

I suppose it's different when one parent is staying at home, but there's rarely a dull moment regardless. There's always a 'next.'I tell so many couples that it is critical that they find someone to afford them a break--even if it's hard to find family, get a nanny, a baby sitter--but it's critical that couples carve out time to 'date' --or at least have undistracted time alone for the two of you.


Your marriage and family will both be better off for it.


My 1st marriage was little more than logistics for the kid's sake. She worked nights and weekends, I worked weekdays. Not good.

Parents, really people in general, are so busy dealing with all kinds of situations that we never really allow ourselves to think:"Someday, these will be the ""Good old days""==the school assemblies, birthdays, sleepovers etc--even the disasters--the exploding diaper on the white furniture, the time the kid painted his bedroom wall with crayons, pie in the eye--a million things.

We're just too busy, typically 'doing the best we can' dealing with one thing and then the next thing, often w/o a break. Time flies, things blur.

My Mother died last year after 16 long, painful years dealing with Parkinson's Disease. My Dad was the greatest guy on earth--he was her rock. To say "He was there 100% for her" is an understatement.  Now he's 85 and dementia, not eating enough--the sadness of being told he shouldn't drive anymore, all that and more, are setting in. With the years, I am getting the typical 'aches and pains' that inevitably come with time. He's had them for decades, now to certain points of disability. I just never knew it. Because he never complained. Kids will tell you if they prick their finger.

I see all too well that the last years are not pretty.

It resonated all too well once. It was after I royally pissed off my wife, she appropriately lowered my ladder down a few rungs. Looking me dead in the eye, she said:"And WHO do you think is going to be changing YOUR diapers??" One of those 'feck me dead' moments...Glad she's still here!

But my Dad's up in Michigan and I'm in Georgia, so I tip my hat to my two sisters, who along with a caretaker who comes in a few days a week, they help him keep going and out of an 'assisted living' institution. If we were up there living and my kids were still young, I think I'd go insane. Family drama, stressors...

But maybe not. Although the pace would render my life a blur again, somehow we'd get things done. Somebody has to. When my wife and I have a difficult situation--one that we HAVE to summon up extra effort for, we look at each other and we both say:"It's time to--or 'We have to:

"RISE to the occasion!!" And we do, Thank God.


For all of us, later on in life if we're lucky and don't get hit by a truck, we get a break--some time out That's a good time to look back and hopefully reflect on the good moments--the funny times, the golden moments and milestones of our lives.

In the last couple of years, my Dad has said several times that as we get old, time just moves sooo fast. When I was younger, I thought our age difference was as if it predated the ice age.

That's where my head's at more of the time lately. That and how no matter how much covid sucks, it could always be worse. That's why when a guy here on PL finally got his wife here and it was just a kaleidoscope of experiences, I tried to say, "Take a second and realize that later on you'll be looking back and saying how these (USCIS and all) were "The greatest days of our lives"--the "Good ole days"

Exactly as Ferris Bueller said:

""Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.""

Save Ferris!! ;D
Great points. For me it's a combination of pushing 50 and watching my mom deteriorate that gives me this sense that life is too short. When my mom was more capable just a few years ago she was our kids babysitter.  My wife is super extroverted so all the covid guidelines are tougher for her than me, as I've never had any problems keeping away from people lol
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on August 06, 2020, 07:38:08 PM
Great points. For me it's a combination of pushing 50 and watching my mom deteriorate that gives me this sense that life is too short. When my mom was more capable just a few years ago she was our kids babysitter.  My wife is super extroverted so all the covid guidelines are tougher for her than me, as I've never had any problems keeping away from people lol

I'm 58 and neither my wife nor I work. If it wasn't for my two year old daughter ...I don't think I could handle retirement.
I love my wife but I couldn't be with just one woman here ....if it wasn't for my baby.

My mom is going down hill fast as well ...so I'm going to be working on getting my wife a visa sometime next year.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on August 07, 2020, 01:36:11 PM
I'm 58 and neither my wife nor I work. If it wasn't for my two year old daughter ...I don't think I could handle retirement.
I love my wife but I couldn't be with just one woman here ....if it wasn't for my baby.

My mom is going down hill fast as well ...so I'm going to be working on getting my wife a visa sometime next year.
Looking back I should have pushed for a nursing home sooner. Once they lose their mental faculties everything gets alot harder....
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 07, 2020, 03:07:47 PM
I'm 58 and neither my wife nor I work. If it wasn't for my two year old daughter ...I don't think I could handle retirement.
I love my wife but I couldn't be with just one woman here ....if it wasn't for my baby.



Sometimes the life you live makes you 'walk the line' accordingly. At least you have an unpredictable, endlessly entertaining toddler princess to help pass the time. She hasn't even learned how to curse at you yet!!


If we lived in Davao City where our house 'over there' is, it'd be a helluva a lot harder for me to be faithful. There's younger, older women all around over there, but not a one that's any better than what I've got already.


That's what keeps my pants up. (outside the house)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on August 07, 2020, 03:16:56 PM

Sometimes the life you live makes you 'walk the line' accordingly. At least you have an unpredictable, endlessly entertaining toddler princess to help pass the time. She hasn't even learned how to curse at you yet!!


If we lived in Davao City where our house 'over there' is, it'd be a helluva a lot harder for me to be faithful. There's younger, older women all around over there, but not a one that's any better than what I've got already.


That's what keeps my pants up. (outside the house)
It would be alot harder for me to at the least not feel tempted in Colombia. I get way more attention from women there...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 10, 2020, 03:33:32 PM
It would be alot harder for me to at the least not feel tempted in Colombia. I get way more attention from women there...


With COVID here its even easier to find lonely women


But way harder to keep a secret..
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: mambocowboy on August 11, 2020, 11:20:35 AM

With COVID here its even easier to find lonely women


But way harder to keep a secret..
Take advantage smigo!
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 11, 2020, 11:35:29 AM

With COVID here its even easier to find lonely women


But way harder to keep a secret..

I'd think it'd be harder to find "lonely women", what with covid and most people staying with others--in groups that are compartmentalized socially.

And that's the only reason why I'd guess it'd be "way harder to keep a secret."

It's your life, and while you've been kind of cryptic lately, I thought things were somewhere along the lines of you caring for your 19 year old Colombiana who's bearing your child, being there emotionally for her, yada, yada.

It's not like the 4 or 5 people who follow and occasionally post here are gonna upset your apple cart, spill your beans etc. I see a lot more wacko stuff--posts and pictures, from other people's facebook and Instagram than I've ever see here.
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 11, 2020, 11:49:10 AM
Take advantage smigo!


Easy to say


Women hear are all crazy and jeaulous
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on August 11, 2020, 11:54:26 AM
I'd think it'd be harder to find "lonely women", what with covid and most people staying with others--in groups that are compartmentalized socially.

And that's the only reason why I'd guess it'd be "way harder to keep a secret."

It's your life, and while you've been kind of cryptic lately, I thought things were somewhere along the lines of you caring for your 19 year old Colombiana who's bearing your child, being there emotionally for her, yada, yada.

It's not like the 4 or 5 people who follow and occasionally post here are gonna upset your apple cart, spill your beans etc. I see a lot more wacko stuff--posts and pictures, from other people's facebook and Instagram than I've ever see here.


I will continue to be cryptic and you can assume what you want LOL


But I can assure you I dont have  a gay lover ;D
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on August 11, 2020, 01:01:45 PM

I will continue to be cryptic and you can assume what you want LOL


But I can assure you I dont have  a gay lover ;D


Prove it!! ;D
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on September 17, 2020, 08:30:25 PM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24136.0




These guys were on to it Feb 02, 2020.
Ground Hog Day. How many hundreds of dying days since then have we awakened to the same damn alarm!?
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Calipro on September 18, 2020, 11:23:39 AM

Prove it!! ;D


He ain’t gay ....he just went MGTOW on us. Jajaja


https://www.facebook.com/307508382739569/posts/1709979582492435/ (https://www.facebook.com/307508382739569/posts/1709979582492435/)
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: Elexpatriado on September 21, 2020, 07:50:45 AM

He ain’t gay ....he just went MGTOW on us. Jajaja


https://www.facebook.com/307508382739569/posts/1709979582492435/ (https://www.facebook.com/307508382739569/posts/1709979582492435/)


Neither....


But interesting video..though obviously a couple friends doing a skit..ja.ja


It brings up the point...espescialy in Colombia or other "developing" countries , whoever invites people pays..whether man or woman


I learned that the hard way in Kazakhstan years ago..


But  at any rate, I am not going to make someone who makes 0ne tenth or one twentieth of me pay the bill..once in a blue moon it is good if they offer...


A similar situation I heard is a friend of my friends girlfriend  (Paisa) who was young and attractive was talking about this cute , blond haired , blue- eyed Ozzy  she met (amazing she could understand his accent, even though her English was fairly good) . All was going great until they went on a date , and he wanted her to go "Dutch"..at that point she lost all interest.


So thats why some of these girls are interested in us saggy balled old geezers...
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on October 10, 2020, 10:50:58 PM
""""Elon Musk has gotten into some trouble surrounding coronavirus. He tussled with local authorities when he insisted on keeping his factory open despite lockdown orders. On Twitter, of course, he called shelter in place orders quote, “de facto house arrest” and predicted quote “close to zero new cases in the US by the end of April.” At the end of April, with many new cases every day, he tweeted quote “free America now” in all caps. On this issue, we do not agree.[/color]Elon Musk[/size][/color]I mean this is a hot button issue where rationality takes a backseat. So in the grand scheme of things, I think this is— what we have is something with a very low mortality rate and high contagion. And something that is of low risk to a young person is of high risk to an older person. Essentially, the right thing to do would be to not have done a lock down for the whole country. But to have, I think, anyone who is at risk should be quarantined until the storm passes.[/size][/color]Kara Swisher[/size][/color]All right, but this storm is coming again. You know, you’re talking a lot about saving humanity but these are humans that die in the process.[/size][/color]Elon Musk[/size][/color]Everybody dies.""""[/size]
Title: Re: Corona
Post by: robert angel on October 12, 2020, 05:32:05 PM
""""Elon Musk has gotten into some trouble surrounding coronavirus. He tussled with local authorities when he insisted on keeping his factory open despite lockdown orders. On Twitter, of course, he called shelter in place orders quote, “de facto house arrest” and predicted quote “close to zero new cases in the US by the end of April.” At the end of April, with many new cases every day, he tweeted quote “free America now” in all caps. On this issue, we do not agree.Elon MuskI mean this is a hot button issue where rationality takes a backseat. So in the grand scheme of things, I think this is— what we have is something with a very low mortality rate and high contagion. And something that is of low risk to a young person is of high risk to an older person. Essentially, the right thing to do would be to not have done a lock down for the whole country. But to have, I think, anyone who is at risk should be quarantined until the storm passes.Kara SwisherAll right, but this storm is coming again. You know, you’re talking a lot about saving humanity but these are humans that die in the process.Elon MuskEverybody dies.""""


Musk is an interesting fellow--he sees things through different eyes. Tickets to Mars, anyone?  That NYT Kara Swisher interview is an interesting, quick listen.